Beta Of The Year Award: Husband Takes Wife’s Name
May 7, 2008 by roissy
One of the telltale signs of the escalating emasculation of mainstream American culture has been the trend of wives keeping their maiden names, either in whole or in ridiculous hyphenation. And then selfishly passing on this matronymic abomination to their children. Men relinquish so much autonomy and prerogative to pursue their natural male desires when they get married that it’s the ultimate insult to their dignity to have to throw back the one measly bone of their wives taking their family name. The maiden married name racket is like the ultimate shit test — accede to your wife’s feminist posturing and you will be tarred with the beta brush every day of your life you are married to her.
The irony is that the maiden name is the wife’s father’s name. When a woman keeps her last name in marriage, she’s keeping another man’s name, just not her husband’s. Even women with three generations worth of hyphenated last names are hauling around the history of the male ancestors in their families. The patriarchy that these “enlightened” women are supposedly fighting against lives on.
Which brings us to the first ever Beta Of The Year Award.
Check out this guy who sued the state of California to take his wife’s surname in marriage.
All Michael Buday wanted to do was take the last name of his wife, Diana Bijon, when they married.
But it took two years, a lawsuit alleging sex discrimination and a change in California law before he picked up his new drivers license in the name of Michael Bijon on Monday.
“It was personal. I feel much closer to (Diana’s) father than I do mine. She asked me to take her name and I thought it would be very simple. I never imagined the state would make it so difficult,” Michael Bijon, 31, told reporters.
This guy wins the coveted BOTY trophy (the trophy is a man tucking his junk between his legs). What a bravura performance! Take a curtsy, King Of All Betas.
Look how proud he is of his self-castration:
she fucks him with her clit.
And what does this champion of women’s lib do for a living?
After months of frustration, the Los Angeles computer programmer and his ER nurse wife Diana, 29, took their problem to the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.
He may look alpha but it’s the inside nerd that counts. He must feel so grateful for getting laid. I wonder how many other conditions he had to abide before she consented to marry him?
“Women have fought for so long for equal rights and it feels like this is part of that fight,” said Diana Bijon.
Blah blah fucking blah. Could you imagine being shackled for life to this shrike? Last thing any man wants in a wife is an ideological axe grinder.
“I am really, really proud of him. Not many men would do this,” she said.
That’s true. Not many men would do that. Good thing you married a quisling bitchboy. Prep the divorce papers.
“This disposes of the rule in California that the male surname is the marital name to the same trash bin where dowries were once tossed out,” said Mark Rosenbaum, legal director of the Southern California chapter of the ACLU.
When future generations of dysfunctional feral kids in a post-apocalyptic third-worldicized USA ask why men stopped getting married and the institution fell into utter disrepute you can point them to quotes like this. Something these self-appointed commissars of culture never seem to grasp: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.
Here’s the deal: If your wife truly loves you as the rock solid man you are, and not the beaten down betaboy she imagines she wants, she’ll be happy to take your name because she’ll understand and appreciate how much you sacrifice as a man when getting married. If she’s not on board with the name change, then like a ballcutting canary in the coal mine warning you of danger you can bet you’ll be begging for sex once a month.
In a second interview soon to be published, King Of All Betas had this to say:
- he will pee sitting so that he can identify with the urinary oppression of women.
- his dog will be named “Cat”.
- he will wear pink ribbons and march in every women’s rights parade in the country and donate thousands of dollars to every women’s cause under the sun. Then he will be diagnosed with prostate cancer.
- he will give any future sons girl’s names and his daughters boy’s names. He will force his son to play with Barbies and teach his five year old daughter safe sex.
- he will wear an empathy belly when his wife is pregnant. Shit, he’ll wear it when she’s constipated.
- he will ask permission to cum. He will then say “Are you sure?” each time permission is granted. He will say “Sorry” when he gets a little on the bedsheet. He will beg forgiveness if it hits her in the face.
- his wife likes golden showers. He is the mouth toilet.
- he will apologize for walking in on his wife fucking me.
- I will tell him to shut up and make me a sammich.
- when she inevitably divorces his beta ass he’ll cry so hard that he hyperventilates himself to death.
The only reason this guy isn’t demoted to omega status is because he managed to get married, and to a decently attractive woman. But he’s a great example of how you can’t judge male betaness primarily by looks like you can judge female betaness. If you showed me pictures of two random men and asked me to guess which of the two was the beta and all I knew about them was that one was ugly and the other was a good-looking computer programmer who took his wife’s name in marriage, I’d choose the programmer as the more likely candidate for betaness.
Recap
Don’t get married.
If you do, insist your wife takes your name.
If she refuses, don’t marry her. She failed the litmus test.
Better yet, just don’t get married.
If you do, insist your wife takes your name.
Never insist that she take your last name.
She does not have to follow that particular tradition. Nor do you need to follow other traditions, like having a wedding, buying her a ring or getting married.
If she openly states, “I absolutely want to take my man’s last name”, then, you know that you are onto something.
This story made me vomit my cheerios on my cock… seriously.
I can’t think of anything funny to say because I’m so upset.
I have to agree that this story is sickening along the lines of people who advocate the more men should be pushed into roles like secretaries and nurses. However, it some cases it can be a non-issue. By that it really has to be a non-issue, both people really have to have no opinion. It becomes bad when the woman bucks the tradition in spite of the man, i.e. because she is famous and doesn’t want to hurt her career, has a feminist agenda, etc.
In Spain and Latin America, no last names are changed and I believe children get both (I hope that is right).
The Bijon’s are royally screwed. He’s the kind of guy who get’s pushed around and thinks it’s funny his office-mates pin “kick me” on his chair (he’ll need it since he doesn’t seem to have much of a spine).
Bwaaaahahhahahahahahaha! Oh Roissy, stop it, you’re killing me. I can’t belly laugh like that at the office.
Yikes. Very disturbing. Equally disturbing that he bears an uncanny physical resemblance to a certain alpha male friend of mine…
pathetic.
In Spain and Latin America, no last names are changed and I believe children get both (I hope that is right).
I think it is like that; it’s prefaced by a “de” (of) then the two parents’ last names. In China women don’t change last names when they get married either. Basically the last name is a part of a person’s name — the surname is always one syllable and so is pronounced along with the person’s first name. Another tidbit: many ancient societies were matrilineal. Chinese surnames were originally matrilineally passed, although by the time of the Shang Dynasty they had become patrilineal. The character for surname in Chinese (姓) actually contains the word “female.”
Anyway, it’s rather ironic that Roissy and others proclaim that women who don’t get married before the age of 25 / 30 are useless, but then make long posts telling and warning men not to get married. People are free to do what they want. Ragging on this guy as if his decision impugns every imaginable societal convention past and present is like saying the guy in Germany that wanted to be eaten alive is going to usher in a whole new era of cannibalism.
Besides [female] lawyers & maybe sex reassingment surgeons, no profession has done more harm to masculinity and traditional sex roles than computer programmers.
What’s surprising is that he ever managed to find a woman at all.
Roissy - what does she rate to you looks-wise on the 1-10 scale?
Anyway, it’s rather ironic that Roissy and others proclaim that women who don’t get married before the age of 25 / 30 are useless, but then make long posts telling and warning men not to get married.
It isn’t ironic, it is simply different.
What is best from some young guy that can get regular sex from different girls is not likely what is best from some girl.
If some young woman wants to secure resources for herself and her future children, then marriage is likely the best course of action. And, since her value is at it’s highest when she is, say, 22-26 years old, well, then she should go for it.
But for some young player, he should definitely wait, enjoy his freedom. He can still get married, if he wants to, when he is in his 30’s.
But for some young player, he should definitely wait, enjoy his freedom. He can still get married, if he wants to, when he is in his 30’s.
Maybe that’s what you might advocate, but it’s not what he advocated.
“Don’t get married.
Better yet, just don’t get married.”
Hence the irony.
What’s surprising is that he ever managed to find a woman at all.
He’s not bad looking and looks like an assertive prick in non-mating spheres of life.
His choice of taking on his wife’s name is probably a function of his “Brahmin” progressive environment more so than of his Betaness. He’s not a mere Herb. I think I know his type: he’s an ACLU-sicing true-believer California leftie.
No more a Beta than the N.O.W.-pleasing Bill Clinton was.
Roissy - what does she rate to you looks-wise on the 1-10 scale?
My initial thought was that she’s no more than a 5. Her neck is too long, her chin is too small, and her forehead’s too high. There’s also something odd-looking about her mouth, but on closer examination it’s probably just the expression she had on her face at the moment the photo was taken.
I then started thinking a little more, however, and it occurs to me that her looks could be improved considerably by a better hairstyle. Her existing style is quite severe and unflattering. A hairstyle more suited to her proportions could boost her a point or two.
Given her low neckline there should be at least some cleavage in sight, but that may be due to the type of bra she’s wearing rather than to a lack of endowment.
I think in this man’s case changing his name was a shot at his father - he says he feels closer to his wife’s father than to his own. Seems to be major hostility there. As for his wife interpreting it as a feminist gesture, that’s her view, and clearly not his.
So perhaps he isn’t a beta at all, but an angry alpha taking potshots at a father who wasn’t really a father. I’ve actually known quite a few younger men like that in my office, though none of them went as far as this in expressing it. Take heed, fathers…But since his wife isn’t paying attention to what he says, they may well be headed for divorce some day, as you say.
I decided years ago, when trying to work this one out, that since a woman always knows that her children are hers (barring bizarre swappings in the nursery), it is a legitimate male privilege to be able to claim them publicly as his too, with his name. And further, if a woman wants to feel as if she’s part of the same family, she ought to change her own name.
But I don’t see anything wrong with using your original surname in professional circles, if you’ve already established yourself under that name.
When I get the pic of her fucking him with her clit out of my mind I’ll let you know. Sick bastard. I love it!
Props for bringing this to light. How come the world didn’t hear about this on Oprah yet?
Great point about the wife receiving her name from a male at some point. Since each child has about a 50-50 chance of being male and able to carry on the family name, a totally patrilineal system is as good as any to proportionately propagate surnames. As would a totally matrilineal one.
The Chinese system also works, though, where no one changes their name but the children take the father’s. Minor quibble with Hope: there are three or so bisyllabic surnames that are quite common (Si ma, O yang).
But, hey, Bijon is a pretty cool name.
It might be Bijon, but it should be spelled Bichon, like the little white lapdogs.
I’d wager that he’s taken the strap-on more than once!
I remember the derision heaped upon a former co-worker when he married and took his wife’s name in hypenated form. He became Joe Smith-Jones, and she became Mary Jones-Smith. He never really answered when I asked what they’d be calling the kids.
Clio, if he REALLY had a problem with his father, he’d have legally changed his surname already, like a friend of mine did to spite her abusive father.
Some Alphas will do deliberately wussie things just to highlight how masculine they are in other areas. Its called the handicap principal. Adopting left wing politics or being ultra PC is one way some Alphas do this. Given that this guy seems to be able to attract a good looking woman and sounds like an aggressive prick, this could be the case. On the other hand, he’s a computer programmer, so maybe Roissy’s right.
I have some thoughts on the handicap principal here:
http://manwhoisthursday.blogspot.com/2007/02/rockstar-androgyny.html
BTW, she’s a 7.
““It was personal. I feel much closer to (Diana’s) father than I do mine”
I think this is more about him hating his father than loving his wife.
yeah, she’s a solid 7.5….. baby girl looks like she could deep throat a mean one with that neck of hers
The guy looks pretty good though. THe woman probably looked good in her youth.
Cats aren’t beta.
post script to 20
This guy screams “passive-aggression”–the worst possible kind of aggression. I can only assume his father hates him just as much. He will obviously stoop to any level to get back at him, using whomever he needs to and found his “beloved” wife to be the perfect vehicle. Her feminist narcissism is getting a big boost here, but she’ll pay the price eventually.
Americans! We’ve had this for, uh… well I remember that the nation’s number one celebrity athlete took his wife’s name in the early 1990s.
She’s cute for 29 but better hair would help a lot. Short hair only looks acceptable on women who are attractive enough for it to matter less, but even then it’s a huge minus. Yet women cut their hair as they start getting older - makes no sense whatsoever.
Short hair for women is probably another fad invented by bitter hairdressers (whether gay or post-menopausal) as revenge against straight guys.
THe woman probably looked good in her youth.
Which would mean when she was a nice fertile and bleeding 14, right Gannon?
@Peter: not necesarrily that young. But shave 8, 9 years from her age and you would get a completely hot babe. At 20 she must have been gorgeous.
@Peter: my sexual preference for women is between 16-24. As long as it is legal, I have no problem having sex with a teen female. However, most of the women I have slept with were around 18-23, that is in college when booty is plenty and available.
VK - why do you eat Cheerios with your cock out?
Do a Google image search for her name — she’s all right, maybe a 6, 6.5 when they first met. She does look better with longer hair. It looks like there’s a 10 year age diff, even though it’s only 2.
I agree that if it were really about getting back at his dad, he’d have already changed his name to Michael X or something.
The real take-home lesson is: don’t settle on “computer programmer” as your career. In fact, high schools should use this news item as a scared straight tactic on career day.
Roissy - Do you plan to father any children?
In order to maximize the value of your marriage, you should sign a prenup. I’m not going to get married before I know what will happen if the shit hits the fan. Though, I bet I could get my girl to change her first name.
My uncle’s wife is a fire-breathing product of 70s feminism. She not only kept her name, but all three kids have her last name. No hyphen, just her last name.
My uncle is an eviscerated shell of a man. She rules him. I don’t blame her at all — it’s his fault for failing to stand up and be a man.
If I were totally in love with a woman it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if she insisted on keeping her name. I wouldn’t like it at all, but it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker. However, over my dead body are my kids not bearing my last name. I have some pride.
Ironically, nearly all my female friends eagerly took their husbands’ names when they got married, even the big time independent professional types. Go figure.
I think she looks much less attractive in what Google images brings up. Roissy’s image is flattering with the angle, in the other images she looks like a man (a nose job might help a lot…).
There may be a lot of wimpy computer programmer types out there. Definitely a stereotype though.
I’m a “developer” by trade (though also a graphic designer), but I doubt that women would call me wimpy. I’m not whining for sex, and in no way would I take my (future) wife’s last name.
In Iceland, its all patronymic, but not really a true last name. If I was Icelandic (or Nordic) I’d be Cobiashi Donaldson and my sister would be CobiashisSister Donaldsdottir. But my children would then be Son Cobiashisson, Daughter Cobiashisdottir.
As long as the male doesn’t have the same name as the father (Donald Donaldson) then the last name doesn’t continue on past the immediate next generation. So everyone in Iceland has a definite middle name so that you can tell all the Donaldsons and Bjornsons apart.
Just had to pipe up to defend my job. Though, I’m not stuck in a cube at Innotech, which I assume is the “wimpy” idea of programmers that you have.
But shave 8, 9 years from her age and you would get a completely hot babe.
No matter what the context, any use of the word “shave” when discussing a woman makes me worried.
Do a Google image search for her name — she’s all right, maybe a 6, 6.5 when they first met. She does look better with longer hair. It looks like there’s a 10 year age diff, even though it’s only 2.
To clear up my prior doubts about her lack of cleavage, it appears from some of the Google Images pictures that she does, indeed, have a decent if unspectacular rack. Her choice of bra probably is why there is no cleavage on this site’s picture.
Agreed about the age difference - the man is a very old-looking 31.
No matter what the context, any use of the word “shave” when discussing a woman makes me worried.
So you like a good moustache?
yeah, google images is pulling up a lot of dogs.
she does look better with long hair.
#25 jaakkeli
Why the insistence on long hair? It’s not an evolutionary thing, or women wouldn’t be attracted to men with short hair. There aren’t a lot of scissors on the African veldt.
Not that your preference is wrong, of course. But it is just a preference.
Why the insistence on long hair?
How should I know? The state of one’s hair is a pretty good indicator of age and health, I guess.
It’s not an evolutionary thing, or women wouldn’t be attracted to men with short hair.
Well they seem to be more attracted to me when I have long hair.
But I don’t see the point. Men and women are attracted to different things.
There aren’t a lot of scissors on the African veldt.
Africans don’t have flowing long hair. (Not surprisingly, I’m hardly attracted to Africans unless they’re mixed enough to have good hair.)
I even have a thing for reasonably attractive older women with good, long hair. They’re so rare that it easily catches my eye.
what i don’t get is why the aclu had to become involved in this case.
in just about any u.s. state, anyone over the age of 18 can change his/her name - first, middle, last, lock, stock, barrel, if desired - by filling out a handful of papers, filing a public notice on the back page of the local rag, and walking down to the local courthouse.
i mean, ok, these steps may be a minor pain in the ass, but hiring the aclu and taking the case to the CA supreme court is certainly a bigger pain in the ass.
therefore, we have the truly rare situation in which roissy has actually understated his case (!!!) : not only does this moron want to take the proverbial (and probably literal) ass ramming, but HE HAS PURPOSELY SOUGHT FAME AND NOTORIETY by making all this noise.
32 Bateman
” I’m not going to get married before I know what will happen if the shit hits the fan.”
Your anticipation of the shit will cause the shit.
If he were a real feminist he would have taken her mother’s maiden name. This is about his father issues.
Roissy, do your potential sex partners a favor and tell them what your deal breaker is before you have sex. Women don’t have as much time to waste dicking around.
Maybe he likes all the publicity.
judging by her pic here i’d give her a 6.5. but i saw some of the google image pics of her and she’s been dropped to a 5.5.
PA: Roissy - Do you plan to father any children?
kids are buzzkills.
kids are buzzkills.
Not if you marry the right type of woman, but then again, that type of woman would not let you change your name to hers, in fact she would be turned off by that. The guy is a freak.
Roissy:I reckon you are a softy at heart as you are too generous with the ratings, but then again, I grew up around young Eastern European women and that has always affected my tastes.
Azuzuru
If I were totally in love with a woman it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if she insisted on keeping her name.
It’s a deal breaker.
I really don’t get the problem with him taking his wife’s last name.
That guy is very nice looking and he is an Alpha in my book.
Can anyone list Alpha type jobs.
“You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.”
Why is this ^^^ Roissy ?
One more thing guys.
I read some time ago that young boys in Sweeden(school) are required to play with dolls as they are trucks.
man, that’s just shameful. can’t we revoke his Y chromosome or something?
I read some time ago that young boys in Sweeden(school) are required to play with dolls as they are trucks.
It can get even worse than that. Norway has done the worst, the unthinkable, the greatest of all crimes against mankind:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1474158.ece
I think a nation that forces that on young boys has forfeited its right to exist. Norway clearly needs to be invaded (but not liberated, as it’s clearly already way too liberated).
Can anyone list Alpha type jobs.
Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.
Usually lurking, but I have to say you hit this topic right on point. I enjoy your reads and keep up the good work.
What about alaskan king crab fishing boat captain?
Can anyone list Alpha type jobs.
Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.
Lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith, drug kingpin, ninja, Batman.
I don’t know about “corporate executive.” Aren’t people always complaining about the spineless yes-men infesting corporate America? And “successful entrepreneur” includes quite a few computer programmers.
Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.
So, people who make lots of many are alpha? Might as well throw in professional athletes, actors, and rock stars. Most of those are alpha as well.
Overall programmers are not wimpy, just nerdy. And most are security and privacy-obsessed civil libertarians (or even just plain libertarian), hence the ACLU love.
Lots of money, not lots of many
thanks Peter
I guess that means most men are not alphas.
Even though I’m a pathetic loser whose betahood was well-established by the time I got married at 46, I did have enough self-respect to draw the line on that one.
So when I made my ultimatum about a month before our wedding, her answer was simply “OK”.
Eleven years later and still going strong.
Although you’re right about the guy on a sociological level, this strikes a blow for men’s equality from a legal standpoint. Many many US laws benefit women.
By forcing the court’s hand on this one, the guy could be setting precedent. Meaning…what’s good for the goose is now good for the gander. As such, maybe a legal argument can be made as to why women do not have to register for the draft and why circumcisiion is only illegal for women in the US. And why are statuatory rape laws only enfored on men? Why are men given far more prison time for the same crimes women commit?
The idea that only women can legally change their names in marriage is absurd — maybe no man would ever WANT to change is surname, but he should have the right to. It’s hard to argue with that, esp. since it opens the door to the above.
“circumcisiion is only illegal for women in the US”
when a man is uncut, he increases the likelyhood of passing on a disease, or causing an infection. Most women I know think it looks beter too.
…but i saw some of the google image pics of her and she’s been dropped to a 5.5.
Google images significantly drops the guy’s rating as well. He only “looks alpha” in your picture.
Seriously though, I can’t shake the feeling they are both just rabble-rousin’ libz stickin’ it to the last 10 conservatives that haven’t been chased out of Cali’ yet with their smug whiterpeople morality.
The suspicion makes me a lot less certain I know anything about the power structure in their relationship.
“when a man is uncut, he increases the likelyhood of passing on a disease, or causing an infection. Most women I know think it looks beter too.”
Who the fuck cares what women think? If it’s illegal for women, it should be illegal for men.
If I as a man, said that I liked women to be circumcized, should we then cut women? Because the fact is, circumcized women smell better and are cleaner — plus they enjoy sex less and are less likely to pass on diseases.
So by your logic, women should be cut as well. Why don’t you step up, while I get the knife?
Basically when liberalism is used by men to establish social rank and dominate other men, it is less obvious it is a beta quality.
Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics.
Jeremiah Wright preaches about “black feminism” and against “middleclassedness” because these ideas lead to power in his particular social niche. But does anyone really believe for a second this “anti-middleclass” feminist preacher who drives a Porsche and lives in a $1 million mansion in a 93% white neighborhood hasn’t also had 20+ women on the side over the years?
DoBA, I have no idea how circumcised women smell, of course, but I don’t know where you get the idea that they are “cleaner”. The process and its aftermath are so damaging that the women are more vulnerable to infections of every kind. They can also lead to higher risk of ectopic pregnancy and to serious risk of fistulas in childbirth. On the other hand, circumcision for male infants is relatively safer, and I’ve read that men who have been circumcised are less vulnerable to disease themselves - it’s not just the women with whom they have sexual relations who are better off.
If you think the operation should not be performed on men, or rather on male infants, fine. I understand why - but please don’t pretend that they are the same kind of operation with similar consequences for both sexes. They aren’t. Saying “if it’s illegal for women, it should be illegal for men” is a flawed parallelism. It’s a bit like those feminists who try to argue that the sciences won’t be fair to women until the ratio of men to women working in them is 1:1.
As correct as you are about this, I note that several noble houses had as the condition to marry their daughters that the husband take the wife’s (that is, his father-in-law’s) name so that the noble house might continue (e.g., Apsley Cherry-Garrard).
tehag
Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics.
Should be black leaders, since black guys aren’t generally all that socially liberal anyway.
You could say something similar for “conservatism” and white leaders. Basically men use politics across the spectrum as a tool to gain power and get pussy.
I agree about the circumcision comment.
There is absolutely no reason for boys to be circumsized nowadays.
It is an old and barbaric procedure
I think you missed a big part of the article that explains what the hell is going on:
SoCal is quite possibly the largest congregation of crackpots in the world. It’s what happens when you get millions of people together in a one-upmanship contest for sheer ridiculousness. After Obama’s McGovernesque disaster in this year’s elections, they’ll probably do us all a favor and secede from the Union anyway.
i guess its not so bad. depending on the last name. worse things could happen- like tetanus.
The more I read about PUA game and relationships in general, the happier I’m becoming with my epsilon status while waiting for the sex-bot revolution.
That woman is HOT! With the headband and all!!
But not to the point where I’d change my name to Raymond Ellis Bijon.
“Look how proud he is of his self-castration”
judging by that picture, he looks rather stoic. wifey looks prouder than he does
#64
DoBA, I have no idea how circumcised women smell, of course, but I don’t know where you get the idea that they are “cleaner”.
He was doing a reductio ad absurdum by paralleling Chic Noir’s irrelevant statement that “most women think it looks better.” That is, if preferring the look of a circumcised guy is a valid reason for the male procedure, then it follows that preferring the smell of a circumcised woman is an equally valid reason for the female one.
I’m not speaking to the disease prevention angle, mind you, since the statistics are well established there. But is that a good enough reason to countenance the procedure being done automatically? Suppose that women could reduce their risk of contracting STDs by, say, removing one nipple, which seems less risky than a clitorendectomy. Would you be accepting of this procedure being done as a routine matter of course? And of men regarding single-nippled women as looking more “normal” than those who haven’t had the procedure?
after image googling diana bijon and seeing pics of her with long(er) hair…although she obviously got a haircut, it doesnt look severe and lesbian-ish…her ‘do is pushed back with a headband, so when she takes it off, it probably flows forward in an early-Beatles moptop style. either way id do her
53 Steve Lurkel
What about alaskan king crab fishing boat captain?
That is a man amongst men; balls of steel. I’ve seen the waters those guys go out in and they are completely mad. Women may not find them attractive, so Roissy would not think them alpha, but in my books they are alpha supreme.
BTW, Investment banker=tool.
partner in a major law firm
are you insane?
most of these are guys who sell every hour of every day of every week of every month of every one of their energetic years to a law firm so they can make the big bucks later - and, in 95% of cases, the reason they’re in law is because they’re too un-worldly-wise to make it in business, too stupid or anti-scientifically minded to get into medical school, and too lacking in creativity to do basically anything else.
BIGLAW is where you go if you want to make lots of money but have no interests or passions that could possibly become profitable. law selects for a certain type: beta, beta, beta. the type of beta who likes to argue stupid little nitpicky points endlessly to derive a smug sense of superiority, because he will never derive that superiority anywhere else in life. big firm law especially is the revenge of the dorky white kid who always got beat up on the playground.
alpha? please.
* the only way most of those guys could ever get a woman is through matrimony, in which she’ll marinate for just long enough to ensure a nice divorce settlement.
* and the only way in which they’re leaders of men is in the petty sense, where they gleefully dump the catharsis of their own 10+ years of frustration onto the new crop of associates.
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reggie, your list is pretty good, although a lot of lumberjacks are betas, like hagar the horrible but in flannel.
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don’t forget longshoremen.
i meant stevedores, not the rank-and-file longshoremen who work under stevedores.
especially stevedores who work in bone-chilling cold such as that in duluth, minnesota, many of whom are descended from crazy finns whose idea of fun was to have competitions centered around sticking knives through their own hands as often as possible without so much as wincing. (jaakkeli, any ancestors from oulu?)
Johnny Five 76 — you seem to speak from experience about BIGLAW. I’ve been there, done that and got the t-shirt. Although you make things a bit more of a caricature than they really are, many of your points are pretty accurate.
Coming late to the party, I honestly don’t care whether a guy keeps his name or not. People change their names all the time, sometimes to the most crackpot of names. Besides, people probably call him by his first name anyway. The concept of family name being all that important went out many years ago.
I havent read all the posts, but has anyone thought that the real factor here might be the girls father, who could be one of those guys who wants his last name passed on forever. Perhaps he is the dominant figure, more than the wife (his daughter) and forced the “beta” to make this change.
Alpha-male jobs: anything that involves working with or tending to large and potentially dangerous livestock. Esp. ranchers, herders, breeders or traders of cattle and horses. These men can be some of the best, because to be good at their work they need fearlessness, authority, and some degree of gentleness too. Staring down an irritable old jersey bull takes guts (I’m told via family stories), and you aren’t allowed to hurt them if you can possibly help it because they are valuable.
some of you argue that the guy in the story may not be beta, but an alpha lashing out at his dad. i disagree.
one, he would’ve changed his name a long time ago if this was an act of rebellion against his father. two, even if it was a weird daddy drama playing out his choice of rebelling through the taking of his wife’s name is beta. you don’t arrive at alphaland by walking the path of betatude.
also, notice in the article his wife asked him to take her name. he didn’t demand it. again, this reeks of betaness.
as for this being a publicity stunt, that may well be true right now, but his case has been in the system for two years during which time he was not gaining any notoriety.
my verdict stands: beta supreme.
jaakkeli, I think that’s a bit to far but the comment below made me go huh.
“It is a human right not to have to sit down like a girl,” Kleppe said.
Oh really?
Reggie,
“Lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith”
Those jobs don’t bring in a lot of money.
Days of Broken Arrows
Both sexes care about what the other think. Why do you think so many women get breast and butt implants?
Female circumsion is not like male circumsion and you know it.
Rain And said:
“Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics”
Oh really, how many do you know. One man’s quote speak for the whole group.
Ok guys, my statement about most women think it looks better was meant to convey that many women are turned off by the site of an u.ncut. All I was trying to say is you may have more women “back out of the deal” after seeing your pig in a blanket.
All I was trying to say is you may have more women “back out of the deal” after seeing your pig in a blanket.
VERY rarely will a woman back out of the deal once genitals have been exposed in the heat of passion, regardless of the circumcisal status of the phallus.
I agree, one of my best friends is uncut and that guy got poon by the pound for as long as I’ve known him.
“VERY rarely will a woman back out of the deal once genitals have been exposed in the heat of passion, regardless of the circumcisal status of the phallus.”
ANd if they did, a real man would just say “Eff you, there’s the door.” There’s always another one somewhere. By the way, I know a girl who once asked a guy to whip it out just because he was uncut and she wanted to see it. Fun ensued, needless to say.
All that said, men should have the right to decide whether they are cut or uncut. My body my choice and all that. These decision should not be made by ignorant parents (now there is a redunancy) or especially by any female.
I have a friend who not only kept her husband’s name after she got divorced, but continues to use the ex-husband’s name after she’s remarried. Harsh.
He may or may not be a Beta, but he doesn’t strike me as a mere Herb.
Taking on his wife’s name comes across as a Whiterpeople status one-up, rather than an acquiascence to her will.
He’s just too much into the whole thing. The ACLU, the press conferences. This is a fanatical leftie smashing an icon, looking at his victory with the grim satisfaction of People’s Commisar.
Roissy’s correct in this guy’s betaness.
Roissy was completely wrong about Mark Penn being a beta though. The guy is probably one of the biggest alphas around. (Alpha meaning power in this case)
Bitchy anxiety-ridden gossip about who is “alpha” and who is “beta” is beta. Especially on a blog.
PA:
Taking on his wife’s name comes across as a Whiterpeople status one-up, rather than an acquiascence to her will.
i agree that SWPL status preening may be a major factor in this guy’s self-effacement of his masculinity, but icon smashing doesn’t have to be so beta. iow, the beta means overwhelmed the alpha end, resulting in a net gain of betatude for this dude.
So wait, Biglaw associates can’t get pussy??
Jack:”So wait, Biglaw associates can’t get pussy??”
Yes, its called “hiring an escort service.”
All that said, men should have the right to decide whether they are cut or uncut.
Days of Broken Arrows
point taken.
Come on now, the Biglaw hours are bad but I think people are overstating it a bit. And you are making that bank.
the beta means overwhelmed the alpha end, resulting in a net gain of betatude for this dude.
I agree with you mathematically. His act was objectively a step toward Beta.
The thing is, neither he nor his peer group see it that way, so in that circle he’s a super-Alpha.
He reminds me a bit of that Michael Newdow character who crusaded to ger “under God” removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.
Everybody knows lawyers are annoying. Male lawyers too. Doctors tend to be much more natural leader types. And if they aren’t, they often learn to be. Surgeons are the fighter pilots of the yuppie professional class.
How do the men on this site feel about polygamy?
Polygamy is a barbaric custom that also has two structural flaws: surplus males and intra-family rivalries.
@83
“Those jobs (lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith) don’t bring in a lot of money.”
but they do get respect from other guys (rich and poor) because of the difficult and dangerous nature of their job…especially in this post-materialist age where most of us (in the west) are far removed from such labor (see also: Male Archetypes.)
Now if respect isn’t part of the “Alpha Equation” then I don’t know what is.
Steve Lurkel
“but they do get respect from other guys (rich and poor) because of the difficult and dangerous nature of their job”
Thanks Steve, now it makes since.
The move from labor intensive jobs is also a big part of the reason so many of us have weight problems and diabetes.
I saw an Oprah show the other day and they had a polygamous family on there — with three *smoking hot* wives and a half a dozen kids. Not like those battleaxe-looking ugly polygamous wives you usually see. They were really stylish. All sitting around thoughtfully talking about how they managed their time to best support their husband and avoid rivalry with each other. It was kind of amazing, made a guy dream.
with three *smoking hot* wives and a half a dozen kids…They were really stylish.
I suspect that Oprah’s stylists and makeup artists played a role in making them look *smoking hot*. Even the ugly commoner types look “decent” on her Harpo produced shows.
#77: “BIGLAW is where you go if you want to make lots of money but have no interests or passions that could possibly become profitable. law selects for a certain type: beta, beta, beta. the type of beta who likes to argue stupid little nitpicky points endlessly to derive a smug sense of superiority, because he will never derive that superiority anywhere else in life.”
this is arguably one of the greatest things I have ever read. I might just go whack my bag after reading this. Johnny Five: RESPECT.
#87 DoBA: first of all, please, let’s tone down the pottymouth. “Eff you” is a little vulgar for this forum.
also, most male babies are circumcised at infancy. I don’t think most are equipped to make the kind of decision you think they should make at that stage. me thinks they haven’t had time yet to ponder all the arguments. and personally, as someone who was circumcised as an infant, I’m glad that decision was made for me at that age. it might’ve proved too harrowing a decision to make later in life. besides, not circumcising your baby out of respect for what his future beliefs might well be later in life just reeks of betaness to me. you’re my kid, you’re getting chopped. end of debate…or at least for 15 years, after which point the kid can have plastic surgery if he feels he’s been wronged by losing the foreskin he never remembers having.
#87 DoBA: first of all, please, let’s tone down the pottymouth. “Eff you” is a little vulgar for this forum.
Are you SERIOUS???!!!?!?!?
Read the contents of the blog!!!!!
Geez, what a major league FA!!
106: I was being “ironical”. I guess it was lost on you. oh well, you can’t win ‘em all!
Yeah, it is pretty beta. Though I wouldn’t rule out a bit of the daddy drama too. People do things for funny reasons.
I suppose if I were marrying a Kennedy (now that’s awful likely) I might consider, but none of the people who matter (ie her extended family) would be fooled.
You think this story is disturbing? I’ve got something far, far worse. Via What Would Tyler Durden Do, here is a picture (NSFW) of Playboy’s newest Playmate of the Year. I recoiled in horror - horror! - at the sight. There is no hope for our society, none whatsoever.
Circumcision is a very American costume, imposed by jewish doctors in the past. Outside of the US and Israel, a men’s foreskin is not cut. There is no reason to do so. In Europe some women will freak out if there is no foreskin on your head. Why would somebody cut off a protective skin?
109 Peter
I wish you hadn’t done that.
“How do the men on this site feel about polygamy?”
I think people like to think they’re “above” that mormon cult in the news, but the fact is, some level of polygamy goes on in mainstream culture. We just don’t call it that. Examples:
The white guy who trades in wife after wife
The woman who has affairs with only married men
The woman who has kids from a guy who is married
The inner city guys who have kids with many different women
And finally” Barbara Walters who thought she was “liberated” by dating that married senator for over a decade, but in essence was on the level of a Mormon wife, devoted to a man with another woman (or perhaps more).
#105.
Bill you are factually wrong. Less than 50 pecetn of male babies are now circumcized. The number dropped from 80 percent in the 1970s. The AMA now recommends against it — and leading doctors are vocal about this.
The only person who has vocally been for it is Dr. Laura. She claims its anti-semitic if you don’t chop the penis of you male offspring.
Circumcision does decrease the rate of cervical cancer; the whole bit was only discovered when doctors were trying to figure out why Jewish women got less cervical cancer.
Of course since men can’t get cervical cancer it would arguably be more alpha not to circumcise your son.
Days of Broken Arrows
I agree with you. Even someone like Spritzer is in a polygamous relationship if he was seeing the same girl murltiple times.
87 DOBA “These decision should not be made by ignorant parents (now there is a redunancy) or especially by any female.”
Waiting till you’re older is like chicken pox’ not recommended. I must not be quite as ignorant as most females you know because I wouldn’t have allowed my daughter circumcised had she been a he, though my husband would have protested I’m sure. Glad we didn’t have to have that battle, because I would not have backed down.
113 DoBA:
What I meant to say is that most babies who are circumcised are circumcised at birth. that, I believe, it still factually accurate. if you say otherwise, I’m prone not to believe you since, after all, 75% of statistics are made up on the spot.
btw, what does your name mean?
“were trying to figure out why Jewish women got less cervical cancer.”
or maybe there are just less sluttier.
#118
Gannon — Stats say Jews have more sexual partners on average than other Americans, so I wouldn’t think that. Also, an inordinate number of porn performers and producers are Jewish.
I don’t know man. In any case, I would say that Jewish women have higher standards and screen more males out than the average white woman. By the way, instincts would tell that black women are the most promiscious and start their sex lifes the earliest, so they should have the highest amount of cervical cancer. Stats anyone?
As far as I can remember they think (one of) the causes of cervial cancer is the build up of smegma (don’t you just love that word!) under the foreskin of an uncircumcised male.
Simply teaching your son good hygiene (i.e. how to clean the one eyed trouser snake) removes that problem.
“In any case, I would say that Jewish women have higher standards and screen more males out than the average white woman.”
It’s a different screening process, and difficult to explain to someone outside the US. They do tend to value brain over brawn which is why I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board (to deafening silence).
Had someone told me all this when I was 18 instead of me having to learn it myself later, life would have been much easier. You younger guys don’t know how valuable a service blogs are.
They do tend to value brain over brawn which is why I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board (to deafening silence).
Danger, danger, danger.
Jewish women have a stereotype for being obsessed with money and status, so they’ll only date beta males who have the potential of high-income. It allegedly explains why many non-religious Jewish males in New York Metro will frequently date outside of the “tribe”.
By the way, instincts would tell that black women are the most promiscious and start their sex lifes the earliest, so they should have the highest amount of cervical cancer.
One of the interesting facts that one learns when a loved one has a hematological cancer is that those of African descent tend to have weaker immune systems than whites and Asians. I suspect that may play a role in terms of infection rates of various STDs and by extension, cervical cancer which is caused from a virus.
BTW, if blacks are so promiscuous, why am I still sexless, and why have no black women offered sex to me…
“BTW, if blacks are so promiscuous, why am I still sexless, and why have no black women offered sex to me…”
Because you have to approach the women. Women like to show of their goods, but then they passively wait for men to approach them. Very few women activevley chase men. They only send signals that they are interested. Iy you don’t chase the pussy and harras a lot of females, you won’t get any sex. You are decent looking by the way, so it’s up to you.
By the way, the destruction of the family unit is feminisms fault, not mine. The modern black family shows the feminist family. A woman with children fathered by differet men, where stepfathers continuously move in and out, and males have no commitment to their children. That’s matriarchy in reality. Whites have good inmune systems against the flu, but I’m not sure you can extend that to cancer. Whites definitively manage alcohol, suggar and fat better than any other race. Idians and Asians get alcohlic and diabetic very fast if they start to consume western amounts of alcohol and sugar, and also suffer heart attacks much more than whites. Blacks have higher tolerance to alcohol, fat and suggar, but not as much as whites.
Iy you don’t chase the pussy and harras a lot of females, you won’t get any sex.
I don’t believe in harassing women, so no sex for me!
The modern black family shows the feminist family.
Allegedly, from what I’ve read in my friend’s anthropology texts, it seems that white and Asian women trade sex for resources while Black women trade sex for access to sperm. With food being relatively easy to come by in Africa due to the lack of a winter season, black women had no need for men to provide resources, while their counterparts in Asia and Europe had needed men to protect them from winter.
If you extend this to the modern world, it appears that in the ghetto, unemployed poor black men are essentially being subsidized by their employed female counterparts.
BTW, teen pregnancy rates have dropped according to some sociologists because of increasing sentencing for criminals. In other words, twenty-something men were no longer having sex and impregnating teenage women.
A woman with children fathered by differet men, where stepfathers continuously move in and out, and males have no commitment to their children.
The proper term is “biological” father. In many cases, the fathers have no relationship with their children and play no active role. The mothers have “boyfriends” (and future fathers) who really aren’t good fathers to any of their children. Interestingly, poor black people talk of marriage as an aspiration, but nobody seems to view each other as marriage material.
Whites have good inmune systems against the flu, but I’m not sure you can extend that to cancer.
Some cancers, like cervical cancer, are caused by viruses, so I hypothesize that a weaker immune system will leave black women more at risk to cervical cancer (or other virus-induced cancers) when compared to their white counterparts.
Some people say that once there was a functional African American family, somewhere around the civil war until the sixties, when the Christian family was replaced by the matriarchy.
120 Gannon-my college was about 40% Jewish, and those minxy little Jewesses loved up the gentile boys with a vengence. Quite a few of my sexual first were with Jewish girls.
A rich girl from Philly explained it to me after a particularly good schtup-a-thon. “If I want daddy’s money, I’ll have to marry some schmuck lawyer named Mortie, so I’m having as much fun as possible now!”
Some people say that once there was a functional African American family, somewhere around the civil war until the sixties, when the Christian family was replaced by the matriarchy.
I’ve never bought the argument that slavery destroyed families argument due to the low rates of paternal abandonment during that period. Black families can be called “feminist” due to the fact that most black women have worked outside of the home and without such labour, the families would have been considerably poorer. What shifted was the slow turn of black men from providers in their families into irrelevant faceless male figures. My pet theory has been the decline of black urban labour due to de-industrialization for urban black males. In effect, black women have come to see their men as only useful as sex partners and nothing else, and the men have nothing to offer in terms of employment or other marriageable traits to women. Sex will always be pleasurable, and children will be born at some point or another, but marriage only works if both partners have something to offer.
BTW, this is all in addition to bizzarely crafted welfare rules that penalized married couples for various forms of public assistance, and paid mothers for additional kids which ended up turning some women into breeding mills who abused and mistreated their children.
“I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board…”
One thing though - you can’t always tell by looking (or by names) who is Jewish and who isn’t.
Stats say Jews have more sexual partners on average than other Americans, so I wouldn’t think that. Also, an inordinate number of porn performers and producers are Jewish.
Yeah, but also remember an inordinate number of movie performers and producers are Jewish to the point where it features in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. It could just be spillover.
Had someone told me all this when I was 18 instead of me having to learn it myself later, life would have been much easier. You younger guys don’t know how valuable a service blogs are.
Oh yeah. Roissy could never publish a book saying what he says, but we can read his blog and learn from it.
Jewish women have a stereotype for being obsessed with money and status, so they’ll only date beta males who have the potential of high-income. It allegedly explains why many non-religious Jewish males in New York Metro will frequently date outside of the “tribe”.
No kidding. Jews probably evolved a higher anxiety level as a defense against pogroms and persecution (last one out of the shtetl wound up dead), so there are fewer real Jewish alphas.
It might be true that if you’re a relatively successful beta you have a good chance with a Jewish girl, but would you really want one? Put verbal intelligence and argumentativeness in a woman and you get someone who is going to give you a hard time. Remember, these are the people who gave us Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Eve Ensler, Gloria Allred, Judy Chicago…ugh! Is there a famous feminist who isn’t Jewish?
It’s like the joke I used to tell my (male) Jewish friends:
“Jewish women are intelligent, outspoken, and forceful. Why do you think there’s so much intermarriage?”
There’s actually a book for gentile girls on how to pick up Jewish guys…
Off Jewish women and back to the topic of the post…you know, the bottom line is that marriage is beta. It’s ridiculous to look at the whole package — being monogamous to one woman forever, staying with her and taking care of her even after she gets old, sticking around to help her take care of the kids, putting up with all her concerns and so forth without regularly threatening to leave in order to keep her constantly insecure, owing her support if you do leave — and then make a big fuss about who takes what name. Marriage is so irredeemably beta, such a situation of enslavement for a true stud, that this post is just making a fuss about the color of the paint on the prison walls.
You can take that as showing the ridiculousness of marriage or the ridiculousness of the PUA attitude, up to you.
Brutus, that “schmuck lawyer” (or any guy for that matter) should be very careful before marrying a golddigging slut like that rich Jewish girl from Philly. Guys, make sure you have some idea what your girl was like before she met you. Because no one ever really changes.
“Gannon — Stats say Jews have more sexual partners on average than other Americans, so I wouldn’t think that. Also, an inordinate number of porn performers and producers are Jewish.”
To DOBA at 119: What stats say that? Never saw that before. Reference?