A well known (within his circle of progressive colleagues, presumably) liberal blogger was shot three times a couple nights ago a mere two blocks from Chateau Roissy. I have a friend who lives literally a few yards from where Brian Beutler was chased and gunned down in the late night.
“Oh, but it *feels* safe!”
Here is a map I found of all the Section 8 housing in DC:
vipers nests
There is a big Section 8 property right where this shooting occurred. 17th and Euclid is known to have an unusual concentration of random violent street crime.
If you are a person looking to move into DC to enjoy the surplus of single young cuties without worrying about having your vital organs ripped to shreds by a bullet fired by a low impulse control thug and lying in the gutter bleeding out, I’d suggest you only look at apartments or condos that are at least two blocks removed from these storehouses of slayers. Most of the street criminal element is lazy and provincial and won’t do their killing very far from where they squat.
“I want to live in a vibrant neighborhood.”
I wonder if Beutler will change his, ah… ideological outlook… in the face of his headlong slam into reality. Not if his peers walk him back from the brink. Heh.
“Hands Across America!”
The whole thing reminds me of something I wrote… oh yeah: Proximity + Diversity = War.
Roissy is unusually well-informed, especially considering the amount of time he spends with the ladies. Section 8, which back in the day (remember Jack Kemp folks) seemed like a good idea, is a disaster. I thought moving a few of the terminal underclass out among the middle class would get the insitutional poor to start copping the folkaways of productive, contributing citizens. I could not have been more wrong.
A study done by two U. of Memphis professors that has been cited by some blogs show a very depressing reality: where section 8 houses are, crime follows. We have merely outsourced crimes to older suburbs within metropolitan counties (which is another reason not to live in a county with a metropolitian form of government that can implement social programs county-wide without any input from the local citizenry). And they wonder why people are willing to pay the gas money to live 20 minutes outside of town, beyond county lines. Personal safety for you and your offspring, thats why.
I think section 8 is beloved by the real-estate/developer/finance/builder industries becasue after 20% of the homes on your street go section 8, and you have to hear booming car radios night after night and witness block parties in your formerly quite-child friendly, pedestrian friendly neighborhood, THEY KNOW you will move. You will sell you house and not make much money off of it, sacraficing some of the equity you would have expected a few years back to buy a cookie-cutter-illegal-alien-built-Mchouse that is designed to start falling apart after 30 years further out in suburbia with a new mortgage. Everybody in the real-estate scam gets paid. They call it “churn”. They are making money off the productive by terrorizing them with underclass scum. Thats how it is in America in 2008. You do a good job of raising your little ones and keep your daughter from picking up any influences that will have her wind up on the pole as a profession now……
Proximity + Diversity = War
It depends on what groups are in proximity. The Germans, French and Italians in Switzerland get along fine. Conflict tends to occur when one of the groups is significantly superior to the other e.g. Muslims and Westerners in Europe, ghetto people and whiter people in the United States.
DC v Heller is so timely….! Time for me to get proficient again with the old 9mm.
Beware the packs of 15 – 19 year old thugs that live in the section 8 housing complexes. They are the ones that are most dangerous. Sometimes they’re not even interested in any of your valuables, they just want to experience the thrill of violence. In NYC – pre Guilianni – it was called “wilding.”
If you see them up ahead, go the other way, or around the block etc. If you are cornered, grab the smallest one and smash his head into a parked car, or the pavement.
Remember, if they are in a pack, they have very little fear and will after anyone for the most part.
Unfortunatley Barak Obama did not mention anything about this horrible problem in his crappy speech about race.
that or he read this month’s atlantic.
(not mutually exclusive, btw)
Any links to this news?
But exclusivity is just as bad. Read something a few weeks ago that reiterates what I’ve known about Americans for years:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11581447
by the way, the article speaks from a political slant, but it works into how people act as well.
Americans are the only country where, instead of thinking something is “interesting” or recognizing people say things differently, they chastise, correct, and halt conversations if someone uses a different word than what they grew up with. Yes, some americans are exceptions to this rule, but they are the exceptions. The rest of you like to argue semantics, ridicule, and automatically think “different = weird” while other countries think “different = different = okay.”
Much of this, I believe, is due to the fact americans surround themselves with familiar and seem to put effort into avoiding branching out and learning about the rest of the world.
So perhaps too much diversity in close quarters can cause problems, but homogenity and segregation breeds ignorant fucks.
Yes, Swiss French, Italians and Germans, and also Protestants and Catholics love each other – especially when they live in different cantons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_Jura
“In the Congress of Vienna the Jura was given to the canton of Berne. This act caused dissension. The Jura was French-speaking and Roman Catholic, whereas the canton of Bern was mostly German-speaking and Protestant. The people of the Jura region called for independence. After a long struggle, a constitution was accepted in 1977. In 1978 the split was made official when the Swiss people voted in favour of it, and in 1979 the Jura joined the Swiss Confederation as a full member. However, the southern part of the Jura region, which is also predominantly French-speaking but has a Protestant majority, opted not to join the newly-formed canton, and instead remained part of Bern. This area is now known as Bernese Jura. The word Jura, therefore, may refer either to Canton Jura, or to the combined territory of Canton Jura and Bernese Jura.”
And for the clueless, this behavior extends well beyond semantics. Language was used simply to illustrate an example.
Ok here we go…a link to the incident.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/leading_liberal_blogger_shot_i.php
Sorry to hear about the spleen removal, but at least he’s otherwise alright.
DC v Heller is so timely….! Time for me to get proficient again with the old 9mm.
It happened not that far from me…You better believe I’m arming up.
I lived through the moving in of the poor. Used to be a neighborhood of people who paid rent then we didn;t have enough minorities so they moved in a bunch from cleveland and I don’t think they gave us the best ones. Now there is one house that pays rent then one that doesn’t. It is really a fucked up system. Same thing in ft hood they move them into the 600 dollar appartments next to the people who have to pay 600 dollars by working.
I still think though you could save some lives of people who maybe want to live by starting to campaign that suicide is ok. I mean when I couldn’t kill myself I and my friends thought about killing innocent people so we could get the death penalty. Couldn’t do that either so I was stuck here but went through about 2 years of that shit when I was younger of wanting to leave but couldn’t. I am sure there are people who cannot off themselves but once they off 10 other people they then have the balls to do it. So make it ok to do and instead of offing those innocent lives they just go to the government sponsored place and have it taken care of humanly and efficiently. What is the big deal if you want to go. We just need a good advertizing campaign to make it ok. like the guy said most men lead lives of quiet desperation. What the fuck for. Let it be ok to check out if you don’t like this place. Make it fine to do and then just have the people on this planet who want to be here not just because your born here by your parents and told you will go to hell for killiing yourself.
Take a guess on why for instance you keep seeing people from the hood rob some person of a couple hundred dollars from there atm make them beg for there lives then kill them. Then they take the vehicle and drive it to there own house. This happens a lot. Are they really that stupid or are they asking for the government to put them out of there misery. Find them a better way and the world will be safer maybe or bring back god but since we mostly got rid of god let’s get rid of the bad rap for suicide just like what happened with getting divorced and abortion. Would be a great world.
baduin
Did anyone get shot? Disagreements are inevitable, but the resolution of those disagreements depend on the cultures.
> The Germans, French and Italians in Switzerland get along fine.
Yes. But the Swiss do not like any single one of their neighboors very much. (And if that was a reference to Swiss German etc, well most would take it as an insult)
Not quite sure what (9) is alluding to. While there have been a few nutcases in that particular struggle, it’s no where comparable to the IRA or ETA situation.
I think the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be advised that they need to designate many more areas of DC as “no go” areas for French tourists:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs_909/pays_12191/etats-unis_12311/index.html
. . . after accessing the URL, click on the “SECURITE” tab at the top (the travel advisories and crime warnings for various neighborhoods are in French; I don’t think an English
translation is available). Incidentally, the maps of the other
cities on that site should be updated to include more “no go”
areas (e.g., the housing projects along the East River on the
Lower East Side of Manhattan).
I’d pay good money for detailed and up-to-date maps like
this for the US’s metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs). It’s
not easy to ascertain, for example, that cities like Newburgh and Poughkeepsie, NY can have very sketchy
and crime-ridden areas by just looking at a regular road
atlas, since these are small cities in the bucolic Hudson Valley, more than an hour’s drive from NYC . . .
Roissy — what happens when too much Section 8 housing pushes young women out of DC, and other urban areas?
After all, as you’ve pointed out, the Sexual Revolution, including the pill/condom, and well, URBAN LIVING with it’s endless choice and anonymity, depends mostly on places being seen as “safe.”
The single-mother dominated societies of Blacks, and Hispanics, produce young men looking to be playas not by “game” but by being the biggest thugs they can be. Which is what gets rewarded. Assaults, murder, and rape of young white single women in DC and elsewhere would tend to destroy a pillar of White Alpha Playas would it not?
What happens if many young single women simply stay in the suburbs, commuting by cheap little cars or motorcycles or scooters in high gas prices? In at 8 AM, out by 5-6 pm? THEN I would imagine most dating would occur in the office/workplace, not bars, and the abundant choices narrows down quite a bit.
A lot of the Alpha Playa stuff is based on wide prosperity and safety. What happens when people become poorer, less safe, and less secure?
Fortunately the violent crime rate has been falling for the past 15 years:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/06/your-generation-was-more-violent.php
My family first moved into suburban MD in 1992, and I remember not being allowed anywhere neeeeaaaar DC. That year had the highest violent crime rate for DC since at least 1960, when the data begin.
Unfortunately, no one talks anymore about the raw human materials that our society has to work with — only about how to regulate them. Do we allow Section 8 housing? How about vouchers? Roissy didn’t come right out and say it, but poor Blacks and Hispanics are the ones making up most of these projects.
Shuffle wherever you please, but they fuck shit up no matter where they go, as the recent Atlantic article shows.
Good thing we’re opening the floodgates to the Mexican peasant underclass — I couldn’t fathom existence without authentic tacos.
Keys to survival in a strange environment:
1) Constantly observe and respect your surroundings
2) Radiate confidence and strength (i.e. impose your fucking will)
3) Have a plan to kill everyone you meet
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/01/a-plan-to-kill.php
Follow those tenets and you’ll be safe pretty much anywhere, even without a firearm. Only a serious crackhead attempts to mug a man who looks like he might just tear his throat out with his bare hands.
DC’s been sliding to the worse side of Fallujah for a while now. And it most definitely has affected the woman supply; walk around Arlington late at night and note the ratio.
It’s obviously some kind of elaborate hoax – DC has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
I gotta love the comment: “Sorry to hear about the spleen removal, but at least he’s otherwise alright.”
These “thugs” you write of. How can we possibly recognize them?
I also note the irony of the shot blogger begging that his shooting and spleen removal not be used to promote people actually arming themselves.
It’s not often you get a bozo willing to sacrifice his spleen for his convictions.
I wonder if he’ll go back for more out of the urgings of his very correct politics.
One theory of why crime went down in the nineties is because of the more liberal abortion laws of the 70′ s and 80’s effectively eliminated the human refuse that would otherwise have been born and committed crimes against the more productive members of society. The recent growing crime rates in certain areas, the theory goes, is due in part to the stricter abortion laws of the past 15 years or so.
The first advocates of abortion argued that it was necessary to eliminate inferior members of society. It is interesting to see at any anti abortion protest the signs of cute little white babies and their white mothers as representatives as victims of abortion. You never of course see posters of the black welfare sluts and their thuggish teenagers. If you did no whites would ever show up to an anti abortion rally, because they secretly don’t mind eliminating those members of society.
Here’s the “Atlantic Monthly” article on section 8 and crime mentioned above……….
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/memphis-crime
#23 D, you’re talking nonsense. There’s actually a great deal of pro-life literature that talks about Planned Parenthood’s habit of locating abortion clinics in poor black neighbourhoods, and how there’s an undercurrent of genocidal thinking in the pro-choice movement.
Martin Luther King’s late daughter Yolanda was a pro-life advocate, as is his niece, Alveda.
And incidentally, the idea that it was abortion that cut the US crime rate has been seriously questioned by Steve Sailer, who appears to know his statistics (though many of his ideas make me squeamish), and who says that the timing of the crime drop doesn’t correlate properly with the rise in abortion rates in the black community.
Clio
As Chris Rock said, ” He is not looking behind his back at night at the ATM for a white man who is going to rob him. He is looking to see if there is a n*&%$r who is going to rob him.”
#23
Steve Sailer may know his statistics (I never bothered to check whether Levitt had it right – it would have taken days if not weeks to replicate the study – but actually skimming the paper did seem like it made sense) but Sailer a first grade troll in any case. In fairness, many of his claims would not be that outrageous per se but the way he keeps on making them is obnoxious to say the least.
As for abortion clinics located in poor black communities, there’s clear economic reasons for that. First of all, property values would be lower so the rent is lower. Second opposition against the outfit likely is lower (little NYMBYism going on if the backyard is f’up anyway) and third there may or may not be a higher demand for their service there. So genocide I don’t believe but eugenics is probably true to a certain extent.
[pro choice if there was any doubt left]
this is why i love roissy- he’s a race realist alpha male. your friends, virgil kent, chic noir and t, should come over and comment on half sigma, like you do.
Roissy didn’t come right out and say it, but poor Blacks and Hispanics are the ones making up most of these projects… Shuffle wherever you please, but they fuck shit up no matter where they go, as the recent Atlantic article shows… Good thing we’re opening the floodgates to the Mexican peasant underclass — I couldn’t fathom existence without authentic tacos.
i give poor hispanics a mild pass only because their bitches can be hot. the problem is that they mainly just want cholos at such a young age, and by the time they are 23yo, they are sexually used up fat fucks with 3-4 kids. the women start out ok. if you don’t expect too much, mexicans are a fairly decent people, and many times they actually have a decent to strong work ethic- if they aren’t cholos. another thing, anybody who wants to sing about the loves of diversity doesn’t realize how much mexicans and blacks hate each other in L.A. sign of the future?
i really have no interest from any standpoint in associating with the vast bulk of american blacks more than i absolutely have to.
Fortunately the violent crime rate has been falling for the past 15 years
agnostic, the only reason crime has been falling is cause we’ve been locking up criminals so much more nowadays:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/04/introducing-crime-misery-index.html
Section 8 can be a pretty good deal from a landlord’s viewpoint. If you own property in a sketchy neighborhood, accepting Section 8 vouchers guarantees that you’ll get your rent in full and on time each month. You won’t have to worry about the huge hassles of evicting nonpaying tenants.
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As for abortion clinics located in poor black communities, there’s clear economic reasons for that. First of all, property values would be lower so the rent is lower. Second opposition against the outfit likely is lower (little NYMBYism going on if the backyard is f’up anyway) and third there may or may not be a higher demand for their service there.
Your third factor is probably the most significant. I’ve read that black women get abortions at a much higher rate than white women, something like 2X the rate or even more.
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what happens when too much Section 8 housing pushes young women out of DC, and other urban areas?
What happens if many young single women simply stay in the suburbs, commuting by cheap little cars or motorcycles or scooters in high gas prices? In at 8 AM, out by 5-6 pm? THEN I would imagine most dating would occur in the office/workplace, not bars, and the abundant choices narrows down quite a bit.
That could happen, but my guess is that it would require a pretty significant increase in crime rate, a lot more than the modest increases that may have been happening recently. For a variety of not-fully-understood reasons urban living is inherently more attractive to young women than to young men.
13 Gunslingergregi [talked about making suicide an option for the hopeless underclass]
http://tinyurl.com/9sr6u
Clio,
I have never seen a picture of a black baby at an anti-abortion protest despite the fact that the vast majority of abortions are black or minority children. Show me one and change my mind.
http://tinyurl.com/cvv9h
Clio,
The point is that most whites don’t give a damn about blacks or black babies being aborted. A lot would actually support it secretly because they dislike most blacks and think they are drain on our society. Lets be honest about life and stop living in a racial fantasy world.
And the chief reason why Obama is the democratic nominee is because of white liberal guilt. No other candidate with only a few years experience in the US Senate could ever win the nominee.
Clio,
And I have no problem with black women having abortions. I really do not want any more potential inner city black thugs threatening my life any more. Most whites feel this way.
D, in the first place, anti-abortion protests don’t get very thoroughly covered by the press in either the US or Canada.
Second, there aren’t many photos of actual babies at anti-abortion rallies; they tend to use ultrasound shots more than anything else, and those are in black and white, making the colour of the fetus difficult to determine. As for photos of aborted fetuses, they are truly horrific, so even the most determined pro-lifers tend to avoid them nowadays. But if you insist, here’s a link to a photo of an aborted black fetus – or rather baby, since it’s a late abortion: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2007/04/breaking_suprem.php
Don’t say I didn’t warn you. It’s an appalling picture.
Third, it’s not true that the “vast majority of abortions are black or minority children”. Black and minority women do indeed have abortions at a higher rate than white women – about 4 times as many for black women, 2 times as many for Latina women – but because their numbers are considerably greater, white women still have a greater per cent of the total number of abortions – 57%, according to the most recent (2000, not very recent) material I could find on line.
Finally, here’s a link to a news item about how abortion opponents are looking for allies among black clergy, who have shown concern about high rates of abortion among black Americans: http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article_print.cfm?id=3728
I live at Ontario and Euclid. My roommate was mugged a few months ago on Champlain. Gotta keep your head up out there – and maybe have pepper spray ready to fire.
“Cling to your gun and lock the doors” is the best advice I can offer.
The point is that most whites don’t give a damn about blacks or black babies being aborted. A lot would actually support it secretly because they dislike most blacks and think they are drain on our society. Lets be honest about life and stop living in a racial fantasy world.
Most upper class Whites have no problem with lower class whites having abortions, either. In my experience, upper class <insert any race> have no problem with lower class <insert any race> having abortions.
#29 Mr. Race Realist
“anybody who wants to sing about the loves of diversity doesn’t realize how much mexicans and blacks hate each other in L.A. sign of the future?”
Just another job Americans won’t do . . .
I’m sorry, but I seem to have missed where in the article it mentioned that the shooter was non-white. All of you guys who immediately assumed the shooter was black and started all this abortion clinic bullshit, please explain how your assumption was not explicitly racist.
Had the mugger been white, the liberal muggee would be sure to mention it to avoid any misunderstanding.
I’m sorry, but I seem to have missed where in the article it mentioned that the shooter was non-white. All of you guys who immediately assumed the shooter was black and started all this abortion clinic bullshit, please explain how your assumption was not explicitly racist.
due to geography of the city, demographics of the city and location of section 8 housing, it is highly likely the shooter was black. this would also be consistent with overall national trends for black on white violence. however, you may very well be right! the shooter could have been white, maybe even a 75yo ashkenazi jew or an 18yo female chinese chick. but, given the realities of american life and given the fact that the liberal news organizations make an effort to keep facts like race of the possible perpetrator suppressed, we made an assumption that is probably right but admittedly could be wrong.
even if we are wrong, this answer was deduced by a logical thought pattern as shown. therefore, it is not racist.
i doubt this shit is going to work outside of safe liberal zones like daily kos and tacitus- nice try, though.
LOL@liberals on TPM arguing about gun control.
Some of them are actually arguing that the murder of a law abiding, gun-carrying citizen is the moral equivalent of the murder of a law breaking, illegal gun owner.
I am sometimes astounded by the idiocy of the egalitarian arguments that the left provides.
please explain how your assumption was not explicitly racist.
Jewcano is under a mistaken impression that the magic R-word will make the other commentators backpedal and apologetically explain themselves. It doesn’t work that way any more.
It’s time… to start packing heat. There’s no point in carrying only 16 rounds too (15 clip, one in chamber) either. So when you grab your keys, grab two extra clips.
Jewcano, I was the first person to mention abortion clinics in this thread, and it was in response to a comment about the supposed racism of pro-life rallies. I assumed nothing about the race of the attacker.
Clio
Most pro choice people (and in my environment, most are pro choice) I know do not mind abortions of any class or race. All seem to think its a decision the mother has to make herself.
Although on purely philosophical grounds it occasionally comes if and perhaps how the father should be able to influence the decision, Roissy’s idea of withholding child support seems pretty much spot on.
due to geography of the city, demographics of the city and location of section 8 housing, it is highly likely the shooter was black.
Black overrepresentation among Washington’s criminal element in nothing new. One of the first clues that the 1972 Watergate burglary was not just a regular crime was the fact that all of the five suspects were white or light-skinned Hispanic. An ordinary burglary gang in DC, even 36 years ago, would almost certainly be black.
Yes, nupnup, virtually everyone in my environment is “pro-choice” too, so although I’m pro-life, I’m familiar with the rhetoric of the opposition.
Planned Parenthood’s founding mother, Margaret Sanger, was indeed a racist and eugenicist, and although I’m sure most of its most ardent supporters today are not racists, this popular notion that abortion has brought down the crime rate (by reducing the number of black people born, is the unspoken suggestion) has a racial undertone that good liberals ought to find a little disturbing.
Clio
this popular notion that abortion has brought down the crime rate (by reducing the number of black people born, is the unspoken suggestion) has a racial undertone that good liberals ought to find a little disturbing
I wouldn’t say that the abortion-cuts-crime theory really qualifies as a popular notion. Steven Levitt posited the theory in the late 1990’s, had a debate with Steve Sailer in Slate soon after, and then mentioned the theory (along with much else) in his 2005 book Freakonomics. As far as I know it’s gotten very little mainstream media attention in the United States.
I despite the word “diversity”. The mass migration of people from every corner of the world into this country coupled by the slow weakening of the European melting pot system will eventually be the destruction of the United States as we know it. It may take decades, but that it is already happening know is undeniable. Racial kinship is as inbred into the human condition as men wanting to fuck pretty young women.
As far the Euro love fest that some have mentioned already, well before 1945 most of these countries and their ethnic populations despised each other and fought endless wars with each other. Eventually that will return to Europe too, only this time it will be the the European vs. the Arab Muslims.
And Clio, since you love blacks so much and hate racial bigotry, why don’t you come down to DC some time and take a drive in one the ghettos around 2am, or really any time of the day. I am sure the poor, oppressed savages who live there would enjoy the company of a pretty white woman like yourself. They will enjoy sharing their vision of diversity with you, that is if your vision of diversity is rape or murder of a white woman. Or maybe just go to South Africa for that now. It once was a great nation, when whites controlled it.
Don’t worry Jewcano not many are racists against Jews anymore. Most people don’t even know what a Jew is just some benign joke reference to there ways on some comedy like friends. Or seeing Obama say we stand side by side with Isreal. In real life though pretty unusual to meet one unless in nyc or apparently wdc. Just another people although a people who like to act like there different and special and like to make sure you know there a Jew. Apparently they even put it in blognames.
Don’t worry Jewcano not many are racists against Jews anymore. Most people don’t even know what a Jew is just some benign joke reference to there ways on some comedy like friends.
here’s another guess: JEWCANO has never been in a serious relationship with an american black chick.
correct me if i’m wrong, but i think he even bragged about how he was banging a tall, attractive blonde. even if you’re a limousine liberal, i strongly would urge liberal hypocrites like CLIO or JEWCANO not to go or take their pretty girlfriends to an all black part of town in any major city after dark. don’t say i didn’t warn you. afterward, you can lecture to the rest of us about how morally bankrupt we are to make the assumtpions we make and live the avoid black people lifestyle we live.
Oh for heaven’s sake, D and Crackpot – I’m no liberal, or at least not in the sense that you mean the word. Pro-lifers aren’t exactly welcome at the liberal table.
As a matter of fact, I have lived in DC – for a total of about 18 months. The area I lived in wasn’t a dangerous one by DC standards – Dupont Circle – though in the crack war years of the early 90s, it wasn’t exactly safe, either. I could hear gunfire at night quite often, or at least that’s what it sounded like. But I was never so much as looked at threateningly by any black person at that time.
Anyway, I’m Canadian, and in my city it’s white folks who commit most of the crimes, I believe.
I’m not trying to say that crime, and especially crime among black people, is not a problem in the US. I just don’t think that abortion is the solution to the problem. Strengthening the family and encouraging marriage might be a better approach.
Clio
In Black people in America’s defense though it wasn’t they who moved 1 then one then one in to neighborhoods. They were moved in that way by white politicians trying to make voter blocks. I don’t think they had a choice in the matter. Black people all together have a distinct culture. Just leave em alone. Quite trying to make them do shit. Also leave Africa the fuck alone. I see pictures of fine black woman from Ethiopia from my black friends who visit. It is just that black woman in the states got hit with the ugly stick. Black people in groups are just dangerous for white people. We encroach on there culture They encroach on ours. quite trying to put us together. let us be different. Let us each have a culture. If they want to kill all the white farmers in zimbabwe and haiti and south africa let em. That is the culture they want. Leave it alone. If they don’t want white civilization quite pushing it on them. Let the world be different. We don’t need mcdonalds everywhere we don’t need the shit american law everywhere. We really need diversity. Let there be a black culture that they create on there own if they die of hunger let it be. They will figure it out. Before they had the white mans helping hand they were still able to survive on there own. Just because they don’t live like we do doesn’t make it bad. Just because muslims don’t live like we do doesn’t make them bad. Just because Jews like to think there special and above everyone doesn’t make them bad. Just because latin Americans like to siesta doesn’t make them bad. All the diversity liberal people really want is for all the different colors to live together but all act and live just one way like them which is the most racist thing of all. Not hating on another race just trying to completly take away what makes them another race and erase all the differences in mankind so that no matter where you go its all one cuture fuck that. The racists are realist they understand they don’t like the way black people live and don’t want to participate what’s wrong with that. I still think less worse than the liberals who want to take away what being black is. Like I said before the Black people in America do have good cultural points when they beat the shit out of one person they usually use great teamwork.
Read the comments over at the website that mentions the shooting. Hysterical. Eveything from sunspots to GWB gets blamed. Clueless as usual. These animals will kill you for $5.
As for blacks, avoid them if you can. I certainly do. Luckily the NYC area has gotten less black in the last few years. But they are an ever present danger. If you can carry a firearm legally do so(like in MO or GA), if you can’t, like in NJ or NY do so if you are a female anyway. No jury will convict. But the Sullivan Act has been fucking over regular people for almost 100 years(but clowns like Harvey Keitel get to pack because they are connected). If you are a white male, you will get pegged as a vigilante the same way they fucked Bernard Goetz. Notice criminal blacks don’t give a shit about stuff like that, but I don’t want to do 5 years for a .38 snubnose.
If you are a male, carry a “gentleman’s” pocket knife. Stay away from any kind of shit that looks tactical because if you get tossed by the cops, they will be suspicious. Make sure the blade is no longer than your palm is wide. Go over here, they have nice stuff.
http://www.agrussell.com/index.html
Spend the money and get quality, “assisted opening” is nice too. Also, no shame in running either, especially when faced with superior numbers. If you do get in a scuffle, don’t report it to the PD either. You could be arrested for defending yourself. Crazy, but true. And anything within reach makes a good weapon, like a metal trashcan lid.
Wait what Clio your white I thought you were black actually.
I got to give another credit where it is due. A lot of the black guys I went to that last year of public high school with where able to quite life by killing somone. I with my pathetically white upbringing and contantly being told to do good and that there is a God watching and all that crap was unable to leave this shit infested world. My parents effectively created another good white slave who will not kill you for no reason even if he wants to. He will just work and do his best untill he dies. Fucking makes me sick. Not there aren’t those white people who are able to do it. Just I think not as many.
I’d pay good money for detailed and up-to-date maps like
this for the US’s metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs). It’s
not easy to ascertain, for example, that cities like Newburgh and Poughkeepsie, NY can have very sketchy
and crime-ridden areas by just looking at a regular road
atlas, since these are small cities in the bucolic Hudson Valley, more than an hour’s drive from NYC . . .
Newburgh, Poughkeepsie and Kingston have little ghettos with their attendant black misbehavior issues. Take a wrong turn in Kingston in you’re in a shit area. Syracuse has a “black” problem too. Blacks=crime, end of story.
But if the government made suicide sanctioned would make it a lot easier on everyone. Then me with my whiteness might have taken them up on the offer. Because now it is ok the goverment said so. Maybe some other people would too and there would be less unhappy people around thinking about killing the happy people. We don’t need people that don’t want to be here.
Didn’t realize you lived in “the hood”. Yikes!
It’s not about whether you are black or white or hispanic.
It’s about being POOR.
More black people are poor, therefore more of them will be involved in crime.
The are not criminals because they are black, they are criminals because they are poor.
“In Black people in America’s defense though it wasn’t they who moved 1 then one then one in to neighborhoods. They were moved in that way by white politicians trying to make voter blocks. I don’t think they had a choice in the matter”
also white real estate agents, they used to do things like hire black women to stroll their babies in white neighborhoods, to give the idea that blacks were moving in. At which, whites would start fleeing in mass at cut prices, then the agent would sell to blacks for a profit (but still affordable for blacks). ANd of course, the whites would now be buying more expensive homes elsewhere, thus more profit. there was an actual name for this process, ive forgotten. but regardless its good old fashioned american greed.
anyways, the violent urban black culture is not without consequences….the mexicans and puerto ricans will take over. Take a city like Baltimore, famous for its black crime….well now the puerto ricans are creeping in. it should be interesting. a lot blacks will eventually return more and more to the south, id venture to guess. i think thats what happened in L.A.
on second thought i would give the real estate agents a much bigger role than the politicians, because that situation basically created a lot of the ghettoes. Or perhaps we should assign a greater role to whites, since it was their oppression in the south that started the flight.
Talking about the social engineering of the government moving blacks or poor en mass to areas where there were not enough minorities. IE predominatly white.
“Anonymous
But exclusivity is just as bad. Read something a few weeks ago that reiterates what I’ve known about Americans for years:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11581447”
You don’t know the meaning of “just as bad” you fucking dipshit.
“Americans are the only country where, instead of thinking something is “interesting” or recognizing people say things differently, they chastise, correct, and halt conversations if someone uses a different word than what they grew up with.”
OMFG, a gift that just keeps giving. You also don’t know the meaning of “only.”
Interested party,
The somewhat hood. Not 100 percent black maybe 50. Becomes more hood every day. I no longer live there but did grow up there. Before 6th grade I lived the rich lifestyle of whiteness, front of the line at resteraunts that sort of thing. Bancrupcy is a bitch for your parents and the kids. I will say it was better to be rich than poor. It was also nice to not give a fuck when someone fired a gun because you just didn’t care if you lived or died. Government cheese is tasty though. Which I had for a little while but then my parents had to work to pay the mortgage. While the neighbors that moved in down the block lived for free. I went to the projects and they had it better than my family. Funny shit.
Jewcano
I’m sorry, but I seem to have missed where in the article it mentioned that the shooter was non-white. All of you guys who immediately assumed the shooter was black and started all this abortion clinic bullshit, please explain how your assumption was not explicitly racist
Statistical discrimination = rational behavior. And yes, I am willing to say the thug was black without it being stated.
Clio:
Two points:
1. The unspoken suggestion isn’t that it reduces the number of black people born–it’s that it reduces the number of children born to poor single mothers of all races, which is correlated with future criminality.
2. It does disturb leftists, because they have a romanticized view of single mothers and the poor, and they prefer not to be reminded that this is pure fantasy.
Oh yea the poor thing I never saw poor white people gang up on one person and put them in the hospital with a smashed face. Black people on the other hand except for one case always ganged up. More than one white person went to the hospital for a fucked up face and body by a gang of black people for no particular reason.
All of you guys who immediately assumed the shooter was black and started all this abortion clinic bullshit, please explain how your assumption was not explicitly racist
How many whites have shot people in DC during the course of a mugging/robbery? I’m pretty sure not too many compared to the # of blacks. Overall, the black crime rate is far in excess of that of other races. Just going with the stats…
> The unspoken suggestion isn’t that it reduces the number of black people born–it’s that it reduces the number of children born to poor single mothers of all races, which is correlated with future criminality.
Well said. And as pointed out above, it’s not so much race but socioeconomic background that determines probability of becoming a criminal (true in all Western countries I know of). In fairness, there are a few cultural elements to further or deter crime but far and by large, socioeconomic factors go a long way in determining crime rates.
D — that’s the Freakonomics junk-science theory that has not held up under serious scrutiny.
What happened to make the crime rate slow down and reverse was:
1. The end of the crack wars. Duh!
2. Most of the hard-core criminals without brains in jail or aging out of stupidity or dead.
3. More policing.
That’s it. Not abortion.
As for “race realism” the Black Community once upon a time (1965) had an illegtimacy rate of only 24% and low crime (1965) to today’s national rate of 70% and 90% in the urban core. Whites in 1965 had an illegitimacy rate of only 4%, now it is 34%. So obviously Blacks were much more affected by single motherhood creating a Lord of the Flies society than whites. National Criminal Justice stats show Asians have the lowest crime rates, followed by whites, then Hispanics, then Blacks.
One thing stands out: the Black Community morphed from mostly dual-parent families with strict discipline (Obama’s memoir has him interviewing elderly Chicago residents of South Central fondly reminiscing about yesteryear, even with Segregation, children could play outside without fear), to single mothers who’s sons embrace thuggery since that is what gets men laid.
For Whites thinking this is somehow innate, note while the Black community always had higher rates of illegitimacy and crime, it skyrocketed in the modern era, and whites as noted are suffering increases as well. That also has implications. Perhaps more violent behavior from white guys who see Playas moving in on “their” girl?
How will guys like Roissy react if/when white guys act more like Black gangstas?
Peter said:
How likely is an increase? Obama and Dems are committed to releasing “disparate impact” Black criminals, citing the true stat that more black men are in prison than in College. Liberal judges are rolling back 80’s reforms on mandatory sentencing, and Black-Hispanic voting blocs are demanding lighter/no sentences for criminals with Black or Hispanic backgrounds. New Orleans juries (all Black naturally) will not convict even when the victims are black also.
And why is it that urban living is more preferred by young women than men? Are the young women seeking Mr. Big there? Coyote Blog had a map of men-women in cities, the West had more men (though it may have been skewed by Black/Hispanic imprisonment in Eastern minority-heavy cities).
Where’s Roissy, anyway?
Virgil Kent got some of his boys and whooped his ass. Little too much of pretty lies that never get talked about.
Here is a picture of these black animals.
Coyote Blog had a map of men-women in cities, the West had more men (though it may have been skewed by Black/Hispanic imprisonment in Eastern minority-heavy cities).
Link? I couldn’t find it.
Here is a picture of these black animals.
I think that’s Ice Cube back when he was a gangsta.
Ah, assuming this is it:
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/07/go-west-young-w.html
The one white dude would have been me lol
Black Gorrillas:
“Here is a picture of these black animals.”
Hey, wow! I used to have a coffee table like that!
“Oh yea the poor thing I never saw poor white people gang up on one person and put them in the hospital with a smashed face. Black people on the other hand except for one case always ganged up. More than one white person went to the hospital for a fucked up face and body by a gang of black people for no particular reason.”
-not as much in america anymore, there were days of that though, thats for sure. in europe though, theres plenty of that amongst whites
Why do we have soo many fucked up white serial killers? What is with white criminality: Russian gangs, Italian mafias, Irish killing gang? Why? Is there something wrong genetically in the white blood? I mean, seriously, why is it that when some crazy kid decides to go into his highschool and kill everbody for calling him a fag–it is usually a white boy–this person?
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Fortunately the violent crime rate has been falling for the past 15 years:
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HA HA.
We have gone from 1990s BOOM!, where even idiots could get good jobs, maybe, to 2000s BUST, where you better not lose your job.
Yes, with very high unemployment, ignoring the lying “unemployment rate”, I am to believe the crime has gone DOWN?
HA HA HA HA.
That Sailer said it to. I mean really, you guys are EASY. The government is lying to make things seem better than they are.
“Russian gangs, Italian mafias, Irish killing gang…”
Yeah, I’m really worried about those guys mugging me or just shooting me on the street for kicks or for money for new rims. You wtach too much TV. Turn off the Law & Order…
“You wtach too much TV. Turn off the Law & Order…”
Fun fact:
# of white murders on Law & Order (all of the shows) in one season > # of white murderers in NYC in one year
Heh.
You watched too many gangland movies and listen to many gangsta rap….get into the real world.
White Power rules…that is all i am going to say!
That is funny shit Steve White people murder all the time on fake tv. There someone always guilty too.
Don’t get it
The kid that went in and shot up the school had a reason the kids were calling him a fag and probably more than once. Guess the other kids thought there weren’t going to be consequences but there were. Now take a security guard no gun getting 5 whatever an hour gets shot in the head cause some idiot wants to join a gang. Do you see a difference.
Look at whats his name blowing up the fed bldg he had his reasons. Unibomber had his manifesto. Black peoples excuse is that they wanted a quarter or some shit or the equivelant in money of a weeks work. Do you maybe get it or see a difference in cultures. Even Jeffery Daumer was hungry. I mean shit theres always some larger reason for others to die. So at least the people he ate can say hey that white dude was mentally fucked up he ate people. What about the family of the person who gets shot at the convenience store doing some shit job and dieing for it. What the fuck was the reason oh yea a little tiny bit of cash fucking pathetic. I would definetly rather get killed for some real reason other than some ass wanted the equivelant of 40 hours of work. Do you see a difference.
# 90. anonymous. replying.
I think that is the point: The social and economic impact of these criminals like Italian mafias, russian gangs, etc are far more severe than some low level black kid mugging a old lady. Just ask the FBI….However, whites will prefer to make an issue of the a few random black kids than of the organized killers of the Italian mafias. Whites will prefer to make an issue of the black kid than some crazy arse white boy coming to his suburban white high school and randomly killing people with an AK-47….
Recently, we read about a fine looking white guy who killed his wife and baby daughter….
Oh, yes, what is with White people of Spain killing their own women anyways?
What is genetically wrong with these white people? We also read about an Austrian man who locked his own daughter in a basement for 24 years and fucking her repeatedly–fathering 7 babies.
For pete’s sake, Hitler was white! So is all those fucked up serial killers.
That is precisely my point: The narrative: If a crime is committed by a white person or kid, there is always this
“psychological explanation”….the kid was abused…the kid was made fun of..how can somebody from such good home do such a thing…..blahblahblah. However, if the same crime was committed by a black kid….the narrative is usually…here is a bunch of lazy kids who wants an easier way to make a buck than actually work for it.
It is funny the way the media reports and craft the story…..
The white criminal case is crafted in suck a way as to sort of explain away the crime…to almost pity the criminal…to characterize it as an abberration…a psychological trauma case…the person needs to be care for kind of thing. While the black criminal is characterized as an ungrateful, lazy animal who just have nothing better to do.
Welcome to America. The land of equality.
No it is actually what you see when you are around black people no spin needed. The white kid kills someone he knows that maybe did something he feels was bad. The black will shoot someone he doesn’t know in the kneecap just to see what it looks like. Beat up a kid not for saying anything bad just because they are there. Smash someones face they don’t know for riding his bike to work through their area. Being in proximity is enough. For White people you usually have to do something to them to have something bad happen to you.
What is with white people? Reports from Europe shows increasing number of white males killing off their women.
Check out the truly bizarre case of this white austrian man who locked his daughter in the basement for 24 years while having repeated sexual intercourse with her–resulting in 7 children. Think about that for a moment: You having a daughter, locking her up for 24 straight years, forcing to become pregnant with your 7 children.
What. Is. Wrong. With. White People?
Of course, the FBI will attest(go and read this up on the FBI page)….the Italian mafias, Russian mobs, Irish killing gangs have far more drastic effect on society and economics than some black kid mugging or shooting some old lady with a purse. The Mafias are organized killers. But what seems to keep your average white people up at night is the random black kid rather than the Italian mafias. Funny priorities.
Why, Oh why, will a nice looking white guy like this, who lives in a nice suburb kill his own wife and baby?.
What is wrong with white people?
Oh yes, Hitler was white too…go figure!
The moderator seems rather determined to let me post….what can i say?…Contrarian opinion not allowed, i guess,,,
98 Orbital
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What is with white people? Reports from Europe shows increasing number of white males killing off their women.
Check out the truly bizarre case of this white austrian man who locked his daughter in the basement for 24 years while having repeated sexual intercourse with her–resulting in 7 children. Think about that for a moment: You having a daughter, locking her up for 24 straight years, forcing to become pregnant with your 7 children.
What. Is. Wrong. With. White People?
Of course, the FBI will attest(go and read this up on the FBI page)….the Italian mafias, Russian mobs, Irish killing gangs have far more drastic effect on society and economics than some black kid mugging or shooting some old lady with a purse. The Mafias are organized killers. But what seems to keep your average white people up at night is the random black kid rather than the Italian mafias. Funny priorities.
Why, Oh why, will a nice looking white guy like this, who lives in a nice suburb kill his own wife and baby?.
What is wrong with white people?
Oh yes, Hitler was white too…go figure!
REFERENCES:
Europeans killing their women:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E5DE163AF937A25754C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
Austrian man fathering his own granddaughter:
http://startelegram.typepad.com/crime_time/2008/05/was-austrian-ma.html
White guy killing his wife and daughter:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/06/23/defense_claims_murder_suicide_in_britons_trial/
reply to # 97.
So i am guessing you’ve spent a lot of time around crazy, shooting white people, and crazy shooting black people to know the reason why these two group of killers kill or shoot people? Because that is the only way you could have reached your conclusion as to the differing catalyst that compels each category of people to kill. Otherwise, you are just another biased idiot. Personally, i dont have the stomach to spend time around crazy, people-shooting white or black people to offer up any plausible explanation of anybody’s or group of people killing behaviour, neither am i a well-trained criminal psychologist to hazard a guess like you just did.
Like i said, welcome to america. The land of equality.
There were no crazy shooting white is what I am trying to say. There was just me with my thoughts and I could not act them out. Others did they were not white.
Gunslinger #97…you are a funny man!
White people needs a reason to kill you? and black dont? LOL! Pray, do visit Ireland and take a trip from Tripperary to Dublin….you will get randomly shot at by Irish gangs for absolutely no good reason except that you are travelling to Dublin from Tripperary. That is if they didnt roadblock your vehicle first before executing you. Dont beleive me? Read Irish newspapers, you dunce! Or better yet, travel to Ireland and experience it firsthand. Oh, yeah, you dont want to walk into the Moscow train station with any anything on you that suggest in the slightest that you are a foreigner. The russian skinheads will just beat you to death. They hate all non-russians, period. White, black or asian, it doesnt matter. It is a nationalism thing for them.
Man, oh man, as if Hitler had a reason to butcher millions! Gimme a break!
Oh and I think the difference between this site and a liberals site and a lot of womans sites is this site does not moderate I don’t think. Can you imagine free speech.
Hey, are you from Ireland too? Dont forget the blood-thirsty insanity of violence in Limerick City in ireland….around the hub of St.Mary Park….The keane and Collopy family extends their regards….hehehehe.
The Movie “Gangs of New York” comes to mind here….it pales in comparison to the action in Limerick City….Only idiotic american whites thinks whites everywhere are holy and peaceful. Dumb bag of rocks.
@103 Gunslingergregi
“…I think the difference … is this site does not moderate I don’t think. Can you imagine free speech.”
I love it… in the words of a southern, bible belt pickup truck
bumper sticker:
“Nuke a gay, unborn baby whale for jesus”
And I have opposed “Affirmative Action” from its inception because it legalized reverse racism. So no votes for that Marxist cat named Obama, he is just too in experienced a crook. He might accidentally fuck something up and make it horrible.
Read Heather Mac Donald:
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html
These specific facts about the Bell shooting are just a few of the hundreds of thousands of data points that reveal a hard truth: any given violent crime in New York is 13 times more likely to have a black than a white perpetrator. While most black residents are law-abiding and desperately deserve police protection, the incidence of criminal activity among young black males is off the charts. “A black kid between the ages of 18 and 24 is the scariest thing to cops,” says a police attorney, “because they know how crazy it can get.” And this is true whatever the officer’s race.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html
Racial activists usually remain assiduously silent about that problem. But in 2005, the black homicide rate was over seven times higher than that of whites and Hispanics combined, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics. From 1976 to 2005, blacks committed over 52 percent of all murders in America. In 2006, the black arrest rate for most crimes was two to nearly three times blacks’ representation in the population. Blacks constituted 39.3 percent of all violent-crime arrests, including 56.3 percent of all robbery and 34.5 percent of all aggravated-assault arrests, and 29.4 percent of all property-crime arrests.
In response to #107….Obama will accidentally fucked something up and make it horrible? LOL! I guess 8 years of Bush has been moving progress! Jesus, Oil was $20 bucks a gallon when Bush came into office, dummy!
Too many dumb idiots on this site is not even funny. My guess is that you havent actually read and understand McCain’s policy positions or Obama’s policy positions. Why are americans so willfully stupid and DUMB?! I dont get it, how can a nation so rich and powerfuly be filled with so many idiots?
Response to Spanish Inquit. #109.
The reason for high crime = poverty. Read about european news….Look at the crime rate during the great depression…particularly, follow criminal reportings in eastern europe….whatever or whoever predominately occupies the lower class(whites, blacks, women, spanish or whatever) will be overrepresented in criminal behaviour. Just read more about homogenous white societies of eastern europe where they have high poverty rates. Crime has nothing to do with race.
Go to St Mary’s Park of Ireland and see the disgusting, mind-numbing violence of white redheads killing white redheads. Or Italy with various Sicilian crime families butchering each other. What does being black has to do with it? What does diversity has to do with it? Are they not all sicilians(those killing sicilian crime families)? Are those bloody various Irish gangs not Irish?
The real meat of the issue is neglected under the banner of xenophobia and racial bias.
I agree, too many idiots on this site.
One more thing: The societal cost of stupid crimes committed by these poor blacks to not have the same impact as the more “acceptable crime” of high society. The pillaging by wallstreet barons…the recent being the subprime mortgage mess that has cost such seismic shift in the financial infracture of this country…were 99% caused by rich, important white people.
Previously, look at Ken Lay of Enron…causing massive spikes in electricity and electricity shortages…looting people’s total life savings….etc…these people…there actions cause far more misery to the world–it affects more people far more deeply than the action of a some stupid black thug….Jesus, Man, the bets of the hedge fund Long Term Capital alone nearly sank the entire US economy….The Iraq war, the Speculative activity in the commodities market and the inflationary action of devaluing the dollar to cope with the subprime tranches(mortgage) mess has largely resulted in high oil prices. These things have deeper and far-ranging repercussions on human lives than some stupid black thug robbing some stupid subway sandwich store…. Any well read person can deduce that…Unfortunately, the racial bias forces the average white person to be more concern about the black thug than the cowboy mentality of wallstreet that can(it came close four times already)destroyed the very financial foundations, and hence, the power of United states of america. Some Priorities, hey?
Don’t get it –
There appears to be much greater variance in criminality among Whites, but the median is oriented towards law-abiding behavior. Until about 40 years ago, Blacks had a median oriented only slightly more to the criminal side of the White population law-abiding behavior. In other words, Blacks in say 1955 had greater criminal per-capita participation, but to a matter of 20% or so greater than the corresponding white population. Today, Blacks are FAR over-represented on a per-capita basis of crime and particularly violent crime.
Anyone watching a rap video can easily understand why: the most criminally aggressive man gets all the girls, the culture in the Black community changed THAT MUCH in just 40 years or so.
However, white men will at the extreme ends of the tail be either very very law abiding or as noted, serial killers or school shooters.
There is a difference between populations under the curve and under the tails.
It is interesting to note that Black criminality most resembles that of Old West (white) gunmen and bad men. Such as John Wesley Hardin, Billy the Kid, and so on. Men who killed for “rep” and prestige and so forth. So about 120 years or so ago, whites did behave as Blacks do now in terms of killing.
#113.
Good point
All those free-killing maniacs in the Old west, who will just kill you with impunity and just for the sheer thrill of it, now presently romanticed as gunslinging cowboys, were all whites. It was white on white crime, wasnt it? Poverty, hardship has a lot to do with crime. The Wild West was harsh. During those times, Blacks wouldnt dare commit a crime–either to other blacks or whites, however, white killing anything that moves in the Old west was just profusely common place. Life was worth less than zero in the old west in the hand of the white cowboys.
Reply to Whiskey.
Statistic can be use to lie. Lies, Damn lies, and statistics (that was the expression, i believe.)
To make a cross-racial analysis of crime, you first have to look at the the ratio of affluent blacks to poor blacks and the ratio of affluent whites to poor whites. And then a ratio of black crimes to white crimes in that context. Because high crimes always go with poverty and hardship. Always. Otherwise, all these blabbing statistics about white versus black criminality is pure rubbish. Another thing to consider, is the impact of those crimes. Has “another idiot” pointed out above, Ken Lay(a rich white guy who used to run Enron Corporation) manipulation of electricity in the state of california resulted in massive shortages, blackouts, disruptions, etc. His actions caused massive loss of jobs and property damages, fires, destructions, and some deaths. It nearly brought the state of california to its knees. Seriously, no black thug in human history has nearly brought the state of california(or any american state) to its knees. Robbing Seven/Eleven doesnt do that. The list of white criminals like this are endless, from the gilded age of the robber barons(Carnegie and Rockefeller period) to Recent subprime mortgage mess by wallstreet(Bear Stearns, Countrywide financials). These kinds of crime, not breathlessly reported on the evening news like some black kid robbing a liquour store, tends to affect and damage people lives more profoundly.
To make a cross-racial analysis of crime, you first have to look at the the ratio of affluent blacks to poor blacks and the ratio of affluent whites to poor whites. And then a ratio of black crimes to white crimes in that context.
to nupnup, another idiot and orbital:
you guys keep harping on a misguided concept. the issue of poverty and crime has been studied to death.
race and being black or hispanic is the strongest variable in predicting crime- much greater than poverty:
http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2006/07/race-matters.html
if any of u all are open minded about this issue, you’ll see that there is really good reason why so many want to avoid blacks if possible.
the only reason i don’t feel the same about hispanics is because i think their bitches can be hot when they’re young. hot bitches mitigates fear of crime in some circumstances for me.
Has “another idiot” pointed out above, Ken Lay(a rich white guy who used to run Enron Corporation) manipulation of electricity in the state of california resulted in massive shortages, blackouts, disruptions, etc.
this is true. but, if you read measuring human accomplishment by charles murray, you’d realize that whites are responsible for something like 90-90% of the scientific discoveries out there. so, modern civilization still owes a net debt of gratitude to whites, despite the few ken lays, after doing a benefit/cost analysis IMO. blacks can’t really compare in terms of positive contributions to american society and negative effects, from everything like affirmative action, disproportionate impact on crime, disproportionate need for welfare andother services collected compared to taxes given… don’t be misguided by the few bad apples. every group has a few bad apples.
should be 90-95+%, of course, in the above.
This is going to sound racist… Let the chips fall.
Ability to comply with complex instruction (read laws) = function of IQ:
Prima faciea evidence indicating blacks are more criminal:
Complaints that IQ tests are racist because they are biased against minorities.
Average IQ score of prisoners of T.D.C.J. = 74
And thats including the higher IQ’d whites.
Here is my response to “crackpot” and “sovereign”
The ANEPIOGONE blog reference is just plain stupid. I wont sit down here and write a thesis about the stupidity of that blog reference. I will just get across a couple of points.
By the same kind of argument, then whites are inferior to Asians? Well, Asians IQ is higher than Whites. And, why american engineering and science colleges need to stop having quotas against the number of overqualified asians they accept. Let them all in and flood out the whites. Because what is going on right now is the deliberate limitation of the number of asians accepted into science and engineering programs in american schools. Too many of them are overqualified. I mean, if you are going to apply something to white and black relationship, why not be consistent and apply that concept also to asian and white relationship?
This lack of consistency also goes to the whole white achievement versus black achievement crap. People who uses this argument obviously have not read and understand history. History, progresses in spurts and seems to take turns playing favourites. What do i mean? Well, there was a time that the Egyptians(Arabs and some blacks) dominated the world in science, art, and philosophy before yielding their dominant status…there was a time that the Ming dynasty(in China) were the most dominant, powerful, civilized and industrialized people in the world before yielding their powerful status; there was a time that it was the Aztec of Latin america…..There was a time that it was the Greeks that commanded the world in mathematics, science, philosophy, art, etc…before they yielded.(in fact, how many greek has won the nobel prize in anything? Only two. Yeah, just two:George Seferis and Odysseus Elytis. That number is surprising low given just how prodigious their earlier(greek) contributions were. What happened to them?What happened to the greeks who gave us Aristotle and Archimedes?). The same pattern repeats with the Italians –they were ahead(during the roman empire and the later, the renaissance)only to succumb. The french were ahead…before they collapsed, then the british were ahead before the collapsed too, then the germans were ahead only to collapse…Now, asia is rising. To focus on the so-called white achievement is to ignore other earlier civilizations..and the current/future rising tide of asians that will soon outclassed and outgun western civilization. Asians own the future, live with it! Who knows, after asia, it could be africans. Human civilization is only a couple of centuries old–far too young on the evolutionary scale– to be passing judgment, and the world still have billions of years to go.
Anywho, Go to the Bureau of government statistics websites…the highest number of people on welfare are whitewomen.
Oh yes, speaking of whitewomen, they are also the greatest beneficiary of affirmative action. Check the government statistics before spouting things off.
Charles Murray is an idiot. I cant sit here and dissect his work for you. Go and read Gould.
Point #2. I am curious, why is it that all these people never look at the crime rate in Eastern Europe where everybody is white? Or the really high crime rate in Asia(the Indian subcontinent in particular). Are they(indians) not suppose to be the law abiding asians? in fact, they have the highest IQs of all the Asians, so why is it that there are far more crimes committed in India than in the United states? Why then do we have a drop off in Indian or Asian related crime when those Indians come to United States?
Instead, they keep looking at misguided statistics about americans blacks versus american hispanics versus american asians versus american whites…and then extrapolating that to all asians, blacks, whites, hispanics. Without looking at the nature of american socio-economical landscape in the process.
Dude, The high rate of alcoholism among native americans(in the US) does not show up among latin americans…why? are they not both native americans? Of course, you can ignore that and claim, like i have read somewhere, that native americans are predisposed towards alcoholism.
I really dont like idiots who prefer to simplify the world into ignorant black and white under the so-called eagis of “bold political truth and incorrectness”, rather than thread out the nuanced complexities of the issue.
Just have to say: HITLER WAS WHITE!
crazy white people!
Watson, nobel prize winner in genetics, said that black’s low IQ is due to genetics. Black’s low IQ is a cientific fact. White compensate their slightly lower IQ’s compared to Asians with much higher creativity. In the end, most blacks aren’t suited to live in modern society and belong back in the savanna.
Let me sum it all up for y’all.
Let us assume for a second that blacks are inferior, incorrigible vermins that needs to be wiped out. Okay?
Facts:
Whites brought them over from Africa–unwillingly.
Whites stopped attempts to ship them back to africa(the country of west africa called Liberia).
Whites killed each other senseless liberating these blacks in the civil war.
Whites willingly create all these social welfare conditions to support these inferior vermins called blacks.
As such, all these horrible social conditions that blacks are now using to plague whites were created/caused/allowed by whites judgment… who were originally in the position of power to blacks, ergo, whites made the wrong evolutionary decisions, and species that makes the wrong evolutionary decisions deserves to be extinct, to die off.(SORRY, Evolution is merciless). The odds absolutely is stacked against the inferior blacks, and somehow, they manage to survive and exploit the system to their benefits–showing that they are the superior species. And whites are the dupes.
I rest my case.
You are quoting Watson? Because he won the nobel prize in genetics? Dont be such a moron….Where is Rosalind Franklin? Yeah, Einstein won the nobel prize physics–studying nature; and he beleives in God(master of nature), i guess i should beleive that a master of nature(God) must exist because somebody that won the nobel prize studying nature(physics) said so?
This is just stupid. I refer you to “Symbolic Logic” by Irvine Copi on how to make logical arguments.
In Charles Murrayand Richard Hernstein book ” The bell curve”, they only devoted one paragraph in explaining the oddity of high achievement of foreign blacks, and the bizarrely huge gap between the IQ of black american women versus black american men…The opposite: males IQ higher than females IQ is the case among whites.
Point #3. IQ is not a scientific test. if you think IQ is a scientific test, you must be a moron. As such, low black IQ is not a documented scientific fact. This just shows you dont know what a “scientific fact” is.
Point #4. I like the way you try to rationalize and ignore and try to explain away the IQ advantage of Asians or Ashkenazi Jews over whites and instead focus on Blacks. LOL! Apparently you cant swallow that pill. The funny thing is that you hardly see an Asian or an Ashkenazi Jews obsessing over how they are better than other people the way you see some of these whites obsessing over how they are better than blacks. Too funny. The fact is, Asians are kicking whites arse, they own engineering and science–they own the future. Move over.
And whites are the dupes.
The history of America can be interpreted as a struggle between powerful whites with Universalist tendencies vs. powerless but more numerous whites with a Particularist orientation. In this conflict, the outnumbered Universalists have wielded blacks as a club to batter their rivals with.
This conflict can be seen in the God-drunk Union soldiers fighting the defend-my-home-and-farm Southerners. Glory, glory Hallelujah.
It continued on, and flared up again in the 1960s Kulturkampf known as the Civil Rights Struggle.
The contemporary era Democrat vs Republican rivalry also mirrors this intra-white context, until the latter became the others’ de-facto vassal.
Today, we see this same white-on-white war in the mutual contempt between Whiterpeople and Rednecks.
The former are linear and/or ideological descendants of the mad Calvinists, by way of Puritans who settled in Massachusets and migrated on through the upper Midwest on to the Pacific Northwest, today’s “Blue States.”
The latter are the descendants of liberty-loving Scotch-Irish, who settled the Appalachia and moved on west through Arkansas, Texas and beyond.
Going back to the Universalists’ alliance with blacks: can you picture a people more different from each other than Whiterpeople and blacks?
A similar pattern is playing out in Europe, with Universalist-oriented EUrocrats’ alliance with Muslims against Europe’s own native middle and working classes.
Response to PA. #125.
The bottomline is: Whites are willingly committing suicides, as such, they are inferior. The explanation is irrelevant. You are dead = You are dead. The dinosaurs were wiped out. The explanation doesnt change the fact that the dinosaurs are now FOREVER GONE. Period. That is the bottomline. Who cares what the reasons are when you are dead? So, you can create all your categories of calvinist or universalist or buttfuckers. Who cares? hell, white populations have the highest homosexual percentages. Way to go white people! There is no pause/rewind button on DEAD. No other people are doing this, obviously whites are an inferior species.–how then can you explain, in brutal evolutionary terms, when a species is consciously, deliberately weeding itself out? Obviously the species–whites, do not deserve to live. The species is weak. Nature is merciless. Nature doesnt do explanations or reasons. Natures fucking kills. Period.
Again, the argument:
Let me sum it all up for y’all.
Let us assume for a second that blacks are inferior, incorrigible vermins that needs to be wiped out. Okay?
Facts:
Whites brought them over from Africa–unwillingly.
Whites stopped attempts to ship them back to africa(the country of west africa called Liberia).
Whites killed each other senseless liberating these blacks in the civil war.
Whites willingly create all these social welfare conditions to support these inferior vermins called blacks.
As such, all these horrible social conditions that blacks are now using to plague whites were created/caused/allowed by whites judgment… who were originally in the position of power to blacks, ergo, whites made the wrong evolutionary decisions, and species that makes the wrong evolutionary decisions deserves to be extinct, to die off.(SORRY, Evolution is merciless). The odds absolutely were stacked against the inferior blacks, and somehow, they manage to survive and exploit the system to their benefits–showing that they are the superior species. And whites are the dupes.
I rest my case.
@120: Gould was a Marxist propagandist. Real psychometricians thinks he was a charlatan.
Try reading real psychometrics researchers:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/world-of-difference-richard-lynn-maps.php
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/index.html
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/11/26/linda-s-gottfredson/flynn-ceci-and-turkheimer-on-race-and-intelligence-opening-moves/
@124: You do not disprove a person’s argument by calling them a moron. Perhaps you are not aware of this? I never know how much ignorance I should assume when writing to others on public forums.
@111: Another Idiot, If poverty was the cause of crime then whites with the same Socio-Economic Status (SES) as whites would have similar crime levels. Well, adjusted for SES they do not. Blacks have far higher crime rates than whites adjusted for IQ or income. Whites have higher crime rates than East Asians after similar adjustments. Sure looks genetic to me.
You pretty much can’t do any kind of control for status, years of education, or anything else realistic to show blacks, whites, East Asians at the same rate of crime. I realize that the standard statement of the liberal faithful is that poverty is the cause of higher black crime rates. But show me the data. I can only find data that contradicts this assertion of faith.
The Blank Slate view of humans is a crock. The evidence does not support it. Get over your ideological faith and look at the evidence.
Point #3. IQ is not a scientific test. if you think IQ is a scientific test, you must be a moron. As such, low black IQ is not a documented scientific fact. This just shows you dont know what a “scientific fact” is.
iq is on of the greatest predictors we know of things like educational attainment, criminality, income etc… The realtionships aren’t perfect, but they are strong.
another idiot, most of the claims you are making have been thoroughly debated and largely debunked on sites like Half Sigma or gnxp. roissy is note race realist and occasionally comments as such on Half’s website.
the rest of your points are lovely ad hominems. i really don’t have time to go through every facetious thing you wrote, especially if your still citing somebody as debunked as gould. i would refer u to an excellent & massive analysis of iq, environment, race and Watson from Jason Malloy of gnxp:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php
u seem like an ideologue, but if u are at all open minded u should check out this link and, like i said, frequent blogs that specialize in these discussions.
oh, one more thing. the biggest and by far, smartest proponent of the blank slate concept is this guy named Flynn. this is a 2hr debate by flynn and charles murray on IQ. i think flynn got smoked but even if u think flynn did well, what he’s essentially saying is that black culture is one of the greatest depressors on an international scale of IQ and the core reason blacks have such a gap. liberals love flynn’s position on the blank slate, but are in dismay over how to handle its entire implications:
http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all,eventID.1425/event_detail.asp
click on the video link on the right if u want to see the full implications of the blank slate from someone like flynn who actually knows factor analysis (cause gould sure as hell didn’t). enjoy.
this is might be my first and last post on this thread about this issue. i don’t have much inclination in debating based on ad hominems. it’s been fun, though. can’t wait to see u on gnxp or half sigma, like roissy, though!
I think while it is obviously true that blacks form the largest criminal group in american society, let us not be quick to declare the white race as so high and holy, since the white race, especially in Europe, has since the 60’s long practiced a similar sort of criminality.
To begin, let me first point out that american black crime is not without severe consequence for Blacks themselves. This point is overlooked by white critics, and perhaps it would ease their minds if they looked at it properly. The white critics must think that black crime problem will continue for ever; it will not, what is happening is that the black community in many areas is gradually wilting away. Indeed, for all the talk here about single mothers and welfare and blacks needing to be on abortion, the reproductive rate of american blacks is only 2.1….JUST AT REPLACEMENT LEVEL. Of course, the whites may be lower, but thats another story…
Remember, as others have noted, the big upswing in crime came 40 years ago, which is why we are only now starting to see serious signs of the decline. All this crime and prison terms, single fatherhood etc, it doesnt give much confidence to a community or allows it to grow properly, no? The tv show, The Wire, had a great scene on this very question, if your interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wmgghlEagA
as for the white criminality, we have to look to Europe to help quiet the sanctimonious whites on these boards, since it is still their race after all. White crime is not high compared to black in america, but then I don’t see much of a white underclass or housing complexes that breed crime. Regardless, in Europe since the 60’s the same raw criminality seen in Amblacks is evident, with the only exception of less gun violence. Clockwork Orange was a good cinematic example of this, and it has only gotten worse.
In the 70s and 80s soccer hooligans became major menaces throughout euro cities, and if in England their damage has been somewhat reduced, countries like Poland, Germany, Russia, Italy, etc, have picked up the slack. Once more, little gun use but plenty of robbery, assault, these guys even arrange for mass brawls amongst themselves. Doesn’t really sound superior to Amblacks. As for the decrease in England, the hooligans themselves say that in the 90’s many of the leaders became hooked on nightlife, exctasy, and cocaine.
The pack mentality displayed by AmBlacks is clearly at work amongst euro whites. here is an example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAI_VV1BxY
now the big controversy in this clip was that they were attacking an asian, but from all accounts this is common behavior by packs of whites regardless of the race involved in Europe. White on white crime is big there, actually it has always been if you think about it.
the only real difference is the use of guns, in my estimation. But that always has the possibility of changing, and if it does, watch out!
sorry that should read “single motherhood”
It seems that i have been blocked…oh well.
127/128.
Please, you are making a reference to Cato Institute? seriously? What is next? The American Enterprise Institute and Fox News? And to you–you do not disprove someone’s argument by referencing others calling them a charlatan. There are psychometrician on either side of the fence. You sit on whatever sides suits you the most.
On 128…your argument essentially boiled to: blacks commit more crimes than whites and whites commit more crimes than asians. And it is because of genetics. This kind of reasoning is what i have been saying all along. You cant use american experience and extrapolate that to all people, and claim that it isnt cultural, it is genetic. It is just dumb.
In 2006
The Indian subcontinent(Asians) had a recorded case of 18 million violent crimes out of a population of 1 trillion. All asians–no diversity, really. The indian population is roughly 1 trillion. That means 0.18 crime per person in the population. Note that number: 0.18.
Ireland has a recorded case of 400,000 violent crimes in 2006(Rape being one of the top list) out of a population of 4million. All whites with no diversity to speak of.
The population of Ireland is 4 million. That means 0.1 crime per person. Note that number 0.1.
America had a recorded case of 1.4 million violent crime in 2006 out of a population of 301 million. Arguably the most diverse place on earth.
The population oif United states is roughly 301 million = 0.004 crime per person in the population. Note that number= 0.004.
So, let us break it down: You claimed that Blacks more criminal than whites, and whites more criminal than Asians. Well, here we see that Indians(Asians), which you just claimed are less prone to crime than whites, lead the charge with 0.18 crime per person, Ireland, followed with 0.1…America, with all its evil niggers has only 0.0033 crime per person.
WTF?
On IQ being a great predictor of success…IQ test is education-intensive….if you are not educated you wont do well on an IQ test…education is a very likely predictor of success. Your statement is circular logic.
Generally, Upperclass >> Middle class >> Lower class. in terms of IQ…however, look at the biographies of inventors, philosophers, scientist, nobel prize winners, etc…most of them came from either lower class or middle class, very few were upper class. Another puzzzling thing are the case of prodigies…few prodigies with their exceptional IQs ended up winning the Nobel prize.
Strangely, when i tried to post with the link embedded…the post was automatically blocked. Let’s see if this goes through.
Here is my references with regards to crime data of India, Irish, and America.
In 2006
The Indian
http://ncrb.nic.in/cii2006/cii-2006/Snapshots%201953-2006.pdf
Ireland
http://www.irlgov.ie/crimecouncil/statistics_cri_crime_table3.html#jsenabled=no
America
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/violent_crime/index.html
I tried sending in the government statistics websites where i got the crime data about India, Ireland, and America. For some reason, it wont post here..Oh well.
@Another Idiot, most recently 133.
You’ve certainly chosen a well apt moniker.
The Indian subcontinent(Asians) had a recorded case of 18 million violent crimes out of a population of 1 trillion. All asians–no diversity, really. The indian population is roughly 1 trillion. That means 0.18 crime per person in the population. Note that number: 0.18.
Ireland has a recorded case of 400,000 violent crimes in 2006(Rape being one of the top list) out of a population of 4million. All whites with no diversity to speak of.
The population of Ireland is 4 million. That means 0.1 crime per person. Note that number 0.1.
America had a recorded case of 1.4 million violent crime in 2006 out of a population of 301 million. Arguably the most diverse place on earth.
The population oif United states is roughly 301 million = 0.004 crime per person in the population. Note that number= 0.004.
LOL!
Yeah, i made a calculation error there…18 million out of 1 trillion = 0.00000018. I was wrong. I admit it. The indian crime rate is less than american and american is less than Irish.
to another idiot
the link you sent on India you actually read wrong. its not 18 million, its 1.8 million, they just put the commas differently.
Another Idiott, I see u never even bothered to look at the link to Jason Malloy above.
On IQ being a great predictor of success…IQ test is education-intensive….if you are not educated you wont do well on an IQ test…education is a very likely predictor of success. Your statement is circular logic.
Actually, to a degree, I think you are right. A child will benefit from education. However, higher IQ kids will benefit more from the same education as lower IQ kids. The rest your statements here are non- sensical.
Generally, Upperclass >> Middle class >> Lower class. in terms of IQ…
Blacks at the highest socioeconomic levels have kids that score lower on IQ tests than white kids at the lowest levels. Like most of what u write about, you are way off the mark.
Sorry, my brain is somewhere else right now…i mean to write 0.018 not 0.00000018. I need to take a break. Sorry.
the link you sent on India you actually read wrong. its not 18 million, its 1.8 million, they just put the commas differently.
What did u expect from someone who deliberately lumps indians in wth east asians? For social science purposes, asian usually means east asian. Indians are a different breed. Most people understand this. However, this mistake by Another Idiot is hilarious!
How about you learn some math, Another Idiot?
First of all, Indian Population is about 1 billion (you’re off by 3 orders of magnitude which makes the math even more badly flawed), then 18mio/1bio is more like 0.018 than 0.18 and lastly you claim that India is homogenous? Just WTF are you smoking?
Since I am from Europe I know that whites are criminals too, but guess which ones? Exactly, mostly the ones with low socioeconomic status (some cultural influence is there, too).
And while we are at it, IQ/income/education does not adequately control for socioeconomic status. No one in their sane mind would compare trailer park dwelling whites to blacks living in inner city ghettos even though all three variables might be a perfect match.
You are right, and i was wrong. Gotta go. need some reports to do. When i am done i will look into all the links more properly, and see what they have to offer. If they make sense, they makes. If they dont, i guess they dont.
Anyways, everybody have a nice weekend. see ya.
IQ and race, again?
Look, back in the 1960’s the US govt made a huge deal about closing the IQ gap between whites and blacks. IQ then was thought to be a good indicator of a lot of things, so, closing the IQ gap was a national priority. IQ was intensely studied.
Well, after intensive early educational efforts failed to narrow the IQ gap, they stopped doing IQ tests. Problem solved!!
Now, the govt is trying to close the achievement test score gap. Having no luck, we are getting set to drop achievement tests , like the SAT.
Anybody who claimes there isn’t an intellectual difference among the various races (white, black, Asian) is just denying reality.
Whether that accounts for differences in behavior is unclear.
Stupid people and smart people can both be violent. But, stupid people do stupid violent things, like shooting somebody you really only want to rob. Or trying to shoot it out with the police. Or killing somebody over a minor financial dispute.
Did you know that mountain gorillas have IQ’s in the high 60’s and low 70’s? That makes them as smart as dull normals in our African population (85 +/- 15). Think about that.
Whites are willingly committing suicides, as such, they are inferior.
Another Idiot: whites ain’t dead yet.
I see the verbal game you’re playing, but te “willingly committing suicide” stuff is not unique to whites. Blacks sold one another to Arab slave traders. They shoot one another in DC all the time. In Africa, they were macheteing each other. Or, they infect each other with HIV.
Amerindians cooperated with whites in exterminating rival Amerindian tribes. Chinese and Japanese slaughtered each other. Arabs have been slaughtering each other since forever. Cambodians did one fucking bloody circle-jerk in 1978. And on and on.
roissy is note race realist
Which is really ironic since one of his friends, VK, is black.
Oh wait, VK is just a white guy with a nasty tan that didn’t go away. Right????
It’s possible to be a race realist and be friends with people of other races.
To recognize that groups are different, and, sometimes when over a certain critical mass in numbers, incompatible with one another, does not mean you can’t like and respect people fo different groups.
Some race realists go too much into the IQ stuff. While that’s a legitimate topic, I avoid it because of the nerdish smell eminating from such discussions. My own race realism is simply a recognition that humanity is composed of different racial, ethinc and cultural groups and I respect those differences.
Stupid people and smart people can both be violent.
In the sense that it can snow in Vermont, and it can snow in Arizona. One is much, much more common than the other.
It’s possible to be a race realist and be friends with people of other races.
I think it’s impossible since it’s likely that you’ll simply presume that those of other races are simply incompatible with you and your values. It’s impossible to have black friends if you feel that black people are going to commit some act of violence by default. You’ll simply live in paranoid fear of your black friend and the day that he’ll “snap” and commit an act of crime against you.
I’ll also note that if you find that the groups that are incompatible with your own are failing in important key concepts basic to living in the modern world, you’ll never view that group as an equal, and you won’t certainly find anything worth liking or respecting within that group.
You’ll simply live in paranoid fear of your black friend and the day that he’ll “snap” and commit an act of crime against you.
David, you are the one who sounds a bit paranoid.
you’ll never view that group as an equal, and you won’t certainly find anything worth liking or respecting within that group
So what. Korean people might find it cool to watch an Eastern European folk dance on TV, but they’d probably wouldn’t be too keen on me and ten-million of my Slavic cousins moving into Seoul and even more so, hitting on their women. No offense taken.
Or, here is a little vignette from the “Sopranos.” Mob boss Tony sees that his hot teenage daughter is going out on a date with a blackish-looking guy. Tony gives it to the youngster straight: “I have black business associates. They don’t want my boy anywhere near their daughters, and I don’t want their boys near mine. Capiche?”
All kinds of respect and equality. Plus a respect for group differences.
@132: Another Idiot, If you submit a post that has URLs in it then it appears to hold it for moderation review.
@133: Another Idiot, I linked to the Cato Institute because they had a web page with the writings of a Ph.D. psychometrician arguing why IQ is a useful measure of intelligence. That her writings happened to be on Cato’s web site is not important except to someone who is looking for a flimsy excuse for rejecting her argument. I see that you are looking for such an excuse. So I can not help you.
Stop trying to misrepresent what I say. You embarrass yourself and further undermine your already weak position. Indians are not Koreans or Japanese. South Asia has a much lower average IQ than East Asia. Average IQ varies from country to country.
To people other than Another Idiot: Educate yourself on IQ research rather than uncritically accept the knee jerk arguments of ideologues who do not want us to believe that people differ in innate abilities for genetic reasons.
Trans-racial adoption studies do a pretty good job of showing that IQ and other cognitive attributes are inherited. Check out how little adoptive parent income matters when Americans adopt Korean babies:
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/11/nature_nurture_.html
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/11/nature_and_nurt.html
“but they’d probably wouldn’t be too keen on me and ten-million of my Slavic cousins moving into Seoul and even more so, hitting on their women. No offense taken.”
-actually man korean females marry whites at shockingly high rates, and white expats in asia do allright, so you know what, deal with the reverse situations.
@ 149,
I think it’s impossible since it’s likely that you’ll simply presume that those of other races are simply incompatible with you and your values. It’s impossible to have black friends if you feel that black people are going to commit some act of violence by default. You’ll simply live in paranoid fear of your black friend and the day that he’ll “snap” and commit an act of crime against you.
It’s either/or with egalitarian twits like David here. Quite childish, this philosophy of theirs. Either you have to surround yourself, intermarry, and become replaced by non-whites(in this case blacks), or a Fourth Reich is right around the corner and we are all closet “H-word” people. How utterly pathetic.
-actually man korean females marry whites at shockingly high rates, and white expats in asia do allright, so you know what, deal with the reverse situations.
Jay-Zus!
How high are these “shockingly high” rates, Anon? Any hard numbers you’d like to share? While you are at it, care to elaborate how these “shockingly high” out marriage rates will affect Korea when they have essentially a ZERO immigration rate?
David, you are the one who sounds a bit paranoid.
After reading what I’ve read on the internet on a whole range of topics, I have perfectly valid reasons to be paranoid.
All kinds of respect and equality. Plus a respect for group differences.
Personally, I would not consider the fear of an ethnic group moving in and “stealing” women to be a sign of respect or equality regardless of whether you liked some cultural aspect of that group.
As somebody who is interested in women of other races, why would I be freaked out if others marry the women of my race? I have nothing to lose, and we all have everything to gain by expanding our horizons and pool of available women.
Of course, your examples only provoke fear in the heart of those of us who transcend culture and associate with others outside of our racial and ethnic spheres.
It’s either/or with egalitarian twits like David here.
Cyd the Kid, I’m certainly not forcing anybody to interact with people who they don’t want. I just simply want the opportunity to meet and mate with people of a different racial and ethnic group as I see fit without society harassing me.
BTW, I am non-white, and I have many white friends.
I also believe in race realism and even so I consider high IQ blacks like David Alexander my friends.
“Jay-Zus!
How high are these “shockingly high” rates, Anon? Any hard numbers you’d like to share? While you are at it, care to elaborate how these “shockingly high” out marriage rates will affect Korea when they have essentially a ZERO immigration rate?”
in america 67 percent of korean females marry out of race….and its safe to assume that its whites they are marrying.
JAY ZUS!!
@ 157,
Forgive me, I thought you were one of the brain dead, liberal claptrap whites that continually espouse your societal view.
As a non-white (black, as 158 stated, and I presume he knows this for fact), you want to improve your lot as well as your offspring’s. Nothing wrong with that, in and of itself. Though in the current context of mass immigration, forced miscegenation via the influences of the MSM, deracination of whites, “hate crime” legislation that makes any attempts by whites to fend off this all-sided assault highly inappropriate at best and illegal at worst, you can begin to see why whites are beginning to vocalize their disgust with the system that is against them.
Having a few blacks intermarry with whites in a closed society, akin to the Korean example above, is really nothing at the end of the day, socially, genetically, and racially speaking. What we have in every western country is far from that. We have is a concerted effort to methodically dispossess an entire race of people.
When you remove all avenues for complaint for a people, inhibit their ability to procreate by flooding their territory with competing aliens all the while promoting “highly sought after breeding vigor” of one group in particular (blacks), it greatly inhibits a groups ability to survive in the long run. Add to that the memes that create guilt, unworthiness, and any ability at defense as racist, what we have is a recipe for complete racial extinction.
I do not want that nor do I want society harassing me when I try to prevent it.
@ 159,
Yes, in America, though we still have yet to see any hard evidence. Why is it “safe to assume” it is whites?
More importantly, how about in Korea? What is the immigration and intermarriage rate there?
JAY-ZUS, still applies here I’m afraid to say. You haven’t proven anything of substance.
Though in the current context of mass immigration
I’m the American-born child of black immigrants from the Caribbean.
forced miscegenation via the influences of the MSM
I don’t see anything in the media that overtly promotes interracial relationships. Besides, most of the interracial marriages in this country are between whites and Asians, two groups who admittedly get along without much trouble. There is very little interracial marriage between whites and blacks, so your claims of deracination are simply overblown at best.
BTW, my genetic makeup is due to “miscegenation” by my great grandparents.
“hate crime” legislation that makes any attempts by whites to fend off this all-sided assault highly inappropriate at best
From what I’ve seen posted on various websites catering to those opinions, I should be fearful of actions of those who espouse such causes. Crimes committed by any race against that of another race due to the victim’s race are wrong no matter what race of the perpetrator.
I do not want that nor do I want society harassing me when I try to prevent it.
Except nobody is forcing you to associate with black people or live with them. Nobody is forcing you marry a Hispanic, Arab, or Black female. In contrast, people like you in all racial and ethnic groups are forcing me to limit my only choices for association and romantic partnership to blacks. I am a nonexistent threat to you, but you are great threat to *me*.
My question in general is this, if IQ matters for criminality, how much does it matter? Is it outcome determinative? Is there a similar link among non-white Hispanics or black west indians? What factors in largely racially homogenous societies, like Finland or Japan, keeps crime lower among the lower IQ citizens of the majority race? (And I assume the crime rate is not as high in those countries even among the lower IQ classes). Is there some factor by which we can posit that incidence of crime is enhanced by low IQ by race such as black, hispanic or white IQ?
If I am decoding the words properly IQ is inherited and intractable; it is in a person’s genes. If crime is a result of that lower IQ (and its associated problems), then there is little to do because we cannot fix the innate IQ. But if there is some lower rate of crime we can expect to result from the IQ factor alone, then there may be something we can do to lower the crime rate to those expected norms.
Orbital –
First, human behavior is very malleable. Blacks in greater material poverty than now committed far fewer violent crimes among their own people than the did today. Perhaps this was due to enhanced social cohesion from the presence of a common and menacing enemy, though the experience of the Chinese on the West Coast (who experienced massive depradations including violent crime directed at them from the Tongs) would tend to undercut this theory.
Then, suddenly, Blacks experienced a MASSIVE increase in crime directed AT THEMSELVES. Leaving aside Black-on-white crime for the moment. In the same fashion, White bad men and outlaws were not much different in behavior than Gangstas of today, but their descendants in the West are quite law-abiding. Violent Vigilante action in say, San Francisco was quite common, today it’s unthinkable. A huge swing in white behavior during 150 years or so.
Secondly, we are talking about VIOLENT CRIME. You spout politics instead of reality. Ken Lay and Enron do not imprison the poor and elderly in their own homes. They do not perpetuate a system of murders and counter-murders. They do not create the misery of say, pre-Katrina New Orleans. Nothing white collar criminals do can compare to the absolute human misery created by violent crime as commonplace occurrence. If you had ever been there, you’d know.
Third, there is no “poverty” in America as we understand it. When obesity is a leading health hazard among the “poor” even in today’s rising food prices, we know poverty does not cause crime. In fact, differences in household income among Blacks and poor whites are marginal compared to that of crime (Blacks are 17 times more likely to be arrested for murder). When “poor” blacks have TVs, DVD players, WIIs, etc., they may have lower income than middle class people but one can hardly call them “poor.” They’re not starving. They’re often fat. They have food and shelter. They have disposable income.
Fourth, we can understand the big shifts in violent criminal behavior over time by CULTURE. Genetic changes can’t occur in such a short time frame (40, 150 years, respectively) for the Black and White populations discussed to radically alter their violent criminal behaviors. Nor do IQ variances tend to have dominant effects, since presumably Western Whites had the same IQs as their descendants, yet often behaved in violent ways. Rather it is social expectations, discipline and demands imposed early on in childhood by parents, and the dominant social environment that either rewards or punishes violent criminal behavior.
Orbital — the Aztecs did almost nothing in mathematics. The reason for Western European dominance post 1500 or so is based on culture, specifically family formation. In the West (until recently, when the pill/condom, urbanization, and women’s increasing income changed it), the average nerdy “tool-maker” guy could and did have a family. Creating a cascading effect of tool-makers owning their own property and new, improved tools every generation, with more and more kids of tool makers. Every other society was over-run by “Big Men” Alpha Males who were socially dominant but clueless about making and improving navigation systems, firearms, printing presses, telescopes, steam engines, and the like.
Yes, it’s that simple. Asian cultures (Japan, South Korea, Coastal China) that have thrown off the old Emperor-Eunuch or Samurai system in favor of harnessing the Beta Male have made tremendous strides. Any culture that has the Alpha Male (sorry Roissy) dominating will lose out to those harnessing better and constantly improving tools made by beta males seeking family advantage.
Anon — yes Hitler was white (and stopped by white people). Hutus in Rwanda using almost entirely rocks and machetes killed between 800,000 to over 1 million people in three months, which is close to the industrial killing output of Auschwitz in it’s entire history. Don’t think for a moment that Africans cannot match or exceed European atrocities and Evil, even if they lack an industrial killing machine. If you are looking for a “good” and “evil” race or ethnicity you’ll be bound to be disappointed. Human nature is what it is, across all races. You can find plenty of both wherever you look.
I would suggest that the experience of the Harlem Renaissance, the astonishing literary and musical accomplishments of American Blacks between 1900-1965, among them Ragtime, Jazz, Swing, Bop, Blues, Soul, R&B, etc. and the total creative collapse today (look at creative bankrupt RAP) is a huge indicator of CULTURE dominating human endeavor. People respond to reward systems and CULTURE MATTERS (the most).
David:
I think it’s impossible since it’s likely that you’ll simply presume that those of other races are simply incompatible with you and your values. It’s impossible to have black friends if you feel that black people are going to commit some act of violence by default.
With all due respect, this is stupid, and you clearly don’t understand the difference between race realism and racism. The black and white IQ distributions have different means but significant overlap, such that there are about six million black people in the US who are smarter than the average white person. The difference between racism and race realism is that race realists acknowledge that overlap.
That sounds trivial, but it makes a world of difference. Because the race realist acknowledges the existence of intelligent black people with middle-class values, he doesn’t assume that black people are going to commit violence, especially when they’ve demonstrated that they’re intelligent and have middle-class values (e.g., you). And only a small minority of black people commit violent crimes anyway.
You’ll simply live in paranoid fear of your black friend and the day that he’ll “snap” and commit an act of crime against you.
Snapping is really more of a white/Asian thing.
The difference between racism and race realism is that race realists acknowledge that overlap.
I still don’t see anything that comforts me in your statements. If I’m pulled over by cops looking for a black suspect, they don’t make any difference between a black guy with high or low IQ. They just simply see a black guy.
Besides, as I’ve pointed out, given what I’ve seen posted on the internet, race realists just seem to be racists with scientific facts backing their theories. Just look at all the posters wishing and hoping for a race war at Half Sigma’s place these days.
It’s possible to be a race realist and be friends with people of other races.
I think it’s impossible since it’s likely that you’ll simply presume that those of other races are simply incompatible with you and your values. It’s impossible to have black friends if you feel that black people are going to commit some act of violence by default.
I’m not sure what you mean by race realist exactly. But I will say this: As a white dude with black friends, who also automatically feels caution around blacks I can tell you right now that my level of friendliness results from A) clothing, B) Body language. Cultural compatibility. Some guy who looks and acts like a thug, I am automatically cautious. Let’s be honest here, by and large those people who are saying this and that about ‘fearing’ black people are talking about a subset. They’re not worried about the black guy wearing a button down shirt and tie mugging them.
What’s coined as ‘racism’ is usually cultural discrimination.
@160 Cyd the Kid
“I do not want that nor do I want society harassing me when I try to prevent it.”
Welcome to the race war blender, known as “lets you and them fight”, or “lets you and her race procreate”.
You have partially awakened to the reality that global elitists intend to end all racial group diversity.
In their endgame, there will be their Master tribe and the sub-oid slave race (homogenized humanity). The most powerful people on the planet are in agreement on this.
There exists 13 arch-royal families who will not breed outside of their bloodlines. But their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They have means, motive and Humanity (all races) as a whole, continue to allow the globalist elite opportunity
to commit Meta-genocide.
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@ 159,
Yes, in America, though we still have yet to see any hard evidence. Why is it “safe to assume” it is whites?
More importantly, how about in Korea? What is the immigration and intermarriage rate there?
JAY-ZUS, still applies here I’m afraid to say. You haven’t proven anything of substance.
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well in my original post, america is what i had in mind. As for “safe to assume”, well i suppose its the same reason we assume the criminal in this case to be black. At least where i live, lots of white males going with asian women.
As for Korea, true, theres not as much immigration, but if there was I strongly believe the expat whites would be favored since in other areas of asia they do well, and since the white man for some reason is still held in high esteem over there.
@167 Animus
“Let’s be honest here, by and large those people who are saying this and that about ‘fearing’ black people are talking about a subset”
Ya, its not the Steve Urkles, who I worry about car jacking me.
Its the Thugs, I would have to shoot or taze if they tried.
(With a .50 black-powder double barrel pistol that sounds like a cannon. That sounds like a pun joke, its not.)
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A forgotten pair of causative forces of white crime:
1. Is that morality (the understanding of right and wrong) has been deprogrammed from the schools, with this new moral ambiguity that says there is “No good or bad, no right or wrong only” Lawful and its not illegal if you are not caught”)
2. The other thing is the mainstreaming of psychotropic drugs, a work that started with the CIA flooding the colleges of the US during the 60/70s with L.S.D., and Ritalin in the 80s to the children (turning them into meth heads). There are many drugs that are dispensed that change healthy kids who are normal into unstable people. They would have never committed a “crime” until their sanity was removed through chemistry. (I wrote a few papers that dealt with the failures of psycho-pharmacology. Contribution to crime is one of them)
anyone Adderall much?
PA, Cyd, and Sovereign, do you guys have any references because your IQ discussion seems to be turning into a conspiracy theory about elites. Arch 13 royal familes? Who are you talking about? This isn’t a slight at you guys, but the discussion is becoming annoying to follow, since no one is providing sources. Thanks.
Sovereign, are you a university professor? Link to your papers please and a reference to the CIA LSD thing.
I said nothing about a conspiracy of elites, only sketched an “ideological-struggle” of sorts theory of American history. Its main ideas come from Mencius’s blog “Unqualified Reservation.”
I don’t talk much about IQ because, as I noted, such discussions get too nerdy for my liking, and because I’d rather live next door to Forrest Gump than Hannibal Lecter. There is, however, a whole literature of sources on that topic, beginning with “Bell Curve.”
Yes I am aware of the IQ literature and gnxp/half sigma are excellent free resources, but what the other posters described about elites creating a Time Machine like underclass got lumped into your sociological profiling of the US so I thought you were on board with their theories.
three words:
“ow, my balls!”
David (166):
Your original statement wasn’t about police pulling over strange black men—it was about whether a race realist can truly like and respect a black person.
Encounters with the police are a different story entirely, because they have nothing to go on but appearance. I’ll grant that some police officers are racist and will assume the worst about a black man even when he is by all appearances a middle class professional. But I think most can recognize the difference between a middle-class professional and a ghetto thug and act accordingly.
A lot of the commenters at Half Sigma (and a few in this thread) are racists, and to be honest I wish he’d be a bit more aggressive in banning them. Race realism tends to attract racists because they mistakenly believe that it supports, rather than debunking, their racist ideas.
> Some guy who looks and acts like a thug, I am automatically cautious. Let’s be honest here, by and large those people who are saying this and that about ‘fearing’ black people are talking about a subset. They’re not worried about the black guy wearing a button down shirt and tie mugging them.
Damn right. White thugs make me just as cautious.
S.A.M.’s conspiracy theory drivel just further my impression of him being a nutcase, really. And the thing about Ritalin is just so much beyond any reality it’s not even funny. Talk to a few people who actually have ADS and ask for their opinion about it. They invariably describe it as a really sucky but necessary drug.
@ David 162,
Again, you in an isolated or in minimal occurances of intermarrying does not have much if any impact. That is not the situation at present. Your “desire” to intermarry or simply interbreed, along with umpteen other black men’s desire compounded with relentless memes to this effect as being of utmost desirability IS a problem. This is not strictly isolated towards black men, though they are the favorite minority of the MSM when it comes to white women.
As to…
Except nobody is forcing you to associate with black people or live with them.
In reality, yes “they” are. AA in schools, work and neighborhood housing certainly does not make it possible to have a “white only” neighborhood etc., does it?
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Whites brought them over from Africa–unwillingly.
Whites stopped attempts to ship them back to africa(the country of west africa called Liberia).
Whites killed each other senseless liberating these blacks in the civil war.
Whites willingly create all these social welfare conditions to support these inferior vermins called blacks.
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Blah, blah, blah.
People who worked for a living didn’t like slavery.. EVER. This is something that is inconvient to “get” so most good boys never get it. Zero Wage employees LOWER THE WAGES OF EVERYONE ELSE.
Got it?
Rich people brought black people involuntarily to America for the purpose of paying less for labour than they could get from white people.
Got it?
+50% of the population is currently against immigration. CAN YOU GUESS WHY?
@ SovereignAmericanMale 168,
You have partially awakened to the reality that global elitists intend to end all racial group diversity.
In their endgame, there will be their Master tribe and the sub-oid slave race (homogenized humanity). The most powerful people on the planet are in agreement on this.
There exists 13 arch-royal families who will not breed outside of their bloodlines. But their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They have means, motive and Humanity (all races) as a whole, continue to allow the globalist elite opportunity
to commit Meta-genocide.
I’m curious to read up about this if you have any links. Though no doubt, a one world government with eventual pan-mixia and/or major societal chaos and upheaval is highly probable in the future. It has nothing to do with “conspiracy theories” as some enjoy to lump all things not well understood into this category.
As for Korea, true, theres not as much immigration, but if there was I strongly believe the expat whites would be favored since in other areas of asia they do well, and since the white man for some reason is still held in high esteem over there.
That is the point. *IF* there was more immigration into Korea. There isn’t and there will not be so the point is moot. Korea will continue to produce “Koreans” from now until who knows when and who cares what they do in the US. European white’s days are numbered if we continue as we are with reckless mass immigration.
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S.A.M.’s conspiracy theory drivel just further my impression of him being a nutcase, really. And the thing about Ritalin is just so much beyond any reality it’s not even funny. Talk to a few people who actually have ADS and ask for their opinion about it. They invariably describe it as a really sucky but necessary drug.
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I was diagnosed and forced drugged with Ritalin for a time. I did take it for a while before my mothers natural parnoia stopped it. Thank God. At least she did one thing right.
I later graduated top-half of my college, Rolla, with a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering. And only half the people who go to Rolla graduate.
And I’m describing Ritallin as completely unnecessary and dangerous.
Fuck the above poster.
@ Poseur 171,
Not sure what you are asking. Aside from being a hard core believer in IQ and strong genetic influences on culture and society, I didn’t really go down that path in this thread.
along with umpteen other black men’s desire compounded
So where are these magical black+white couples? Where are the large pools of mulatto children? They’re still a small fraction of the couples in the United States, and the only reason for any growth is due to cultural prohibitions on such relationships disappearing.
relentless memes to this effect as being of utmost desirability IS a problem
I don’t see anything in the media that makes an interracial marriage more desirable than marriages within one’s race or ethnic group.
AA in schools, work and neighborhood housing certainly does not make it possible to have a “white only” neighborhood etc.
What affirmative action in neighbourhood housing? Even in the most “liberal” cities, black people live separately from white people, and in many cases, it’s by choice of the black people.
As for work and school, even if there was no affirmative action, you’d have to deal with the presence of black people as fellow employees as colleagues, supervisors, and lower level workers.
@171 Poseur
“discussion is becoming annoying to follow, since no one is providing sources. Thanks.”
I feel you, but I don’t like giving my detail work product sources. I prefer to give you a challenge to research for your self. If the Case is true, and you enter research without internal preconceived notions, then the hypothesis or theory is validated or disproved.
@172 Poseur
“Sovereign, are you a university professor?”
If I were so inclined to enter academia, I wouldn’t be allowed to stay, as Speech Codes are now epidemic, and my work would be lambasted; not for being true, but for being politically and socially incorrect. I am a hate speech heretic, in their eyes.
@177 Nupnup
“S.A.M.’s conspiracy theory drivel just further my impression of him being a nutcase, really.”
Think of me whatever you want. Truth seekers and tellers are historically seen as challengers to the status quo and often demonized. In order to prevent dissemination of their thoughts and work.
I cite Galileo as the most glaring example.
Do conspiracies ever exist??
Proven historical conspiracies
Despite the speculative nature of many conspiracy theories, mainstream world history contains numerous proven conspiracies, some of which were not the subject of any widespread speculation until they were exposed. Historical conspiracies include:
* The Pazzi conspiracy, which included the Pope, of the late 1400s.
* The Main Plot of 1603
* The Bye Plot of 1603
* The Gunpowder Plot of 1605
* The conspiracy of 1865 to assassinate U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and members of his cabinet
* The French government’s attempted cover-up following Emile Zola’s accusations in the Dreyfus Affair, starting in 1894.
* The 1903 efforts by the Tsar’s secret police to foment anti-Semitism by presenting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an authentic text.[19]
* The Reichstag Fire in 1933.
* The 1939 Operation Himmler and its Gleiwitz incident
* Operation Mockingbird, from 1948. In 1976, then CIA director George H.W. Bush ordered that paid media recruiting would be prohibited.
* The 1945 Operation Paperclip, the extraction of top Nazi scientists.
* The MKULTRA mind control program, from 1953 to late 1960s
* The 1954 Lavon affair
* The 1962 Operation Northwoods
* The 1969 Manson Family murders
* The 1972 Watergate burglary and cover-up
* The 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack
* The 1987 Iran-Contra Affair
* The 1995 Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway
All now matters of public record,
“conspiracy theories” … that term was created by a government think tank back in the 60’s to de-rate and ridicule anything not broadcast by the official news media on the evening news … there was a famous man that once said … “never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power” … i would add to this … ” and the majority of people who are fooled into believing these men are honest and have the interests of the populous at heart”
-Prof. Jim McCanney
The Prof. is only half right… it was resurrected by redefinition:
“The first recorded use of the phrase “conspiracy theory” dates to the year 1909. Originally it was a neutral term; during the political upheaval of the 1960s the term acquired its current derogatory sense. ”
-20th Century Words” (1999) John Ayto, Oxford University Press, page 15
Can I just have the links? I don’t have any preconceived notions of anything I just want to read the context to the stuff you are saying because it has sound logic. I mean look I thought IQ was bunk science up until I found gnxp and half sigma. Usually the answer is in the comments. You can always tell who is right by the quality of the comments on these blogs. Those that are wrong will weasel word their statements and try to discredit statistics. Those that are right will show actual statistics. I find the weakest argument by far is when the 99% of statistics are bullshit argument is thrown. Statistics are after all validated or invalidated by the context of the study.
Universities, CIA, and LSD links:::
On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:
“The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an ‘extensive testing and experimentation’ program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens ‘at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.’ Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to ‘unwitting subjects in social situations.’ At least one death, that of Dr. [Frank] Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.”
So go to the library of congress and get the minutes of the record. read for yourself
Books
* Black, David (1998). Acid: The Secret History of LSD. London: Vision. ISBN 1-901250-11-3. Later edition exists.
* Bowart, W. H. (1978). Operation Mind Control: Our Secret Governments’s War Against Its Own People. New York: Dell. ISBN 0-440-16755-8.
* Camper, Frank (1997). The Mk/Ultra Secret. Savannah, GA: Christopher Scott Publishing. ISBN 1-889149-02-0.
* Collins, Anne ([1988] 1998). In the Sleep Room: The Story of CIA Brainwashing Experiments in Canada. Toronto: Key Porter Books. ISBN 1-55013-932-0. (Reprint edition.)
* Douglass, Joseph (2002). Betrayed. 1st Books Library, 492. ISBN 140330131X.
* Douglass, Joseph (1999). Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America and the West. Edward Harle, 178. ISBN 1899798048.
* Fahey, Todd (1996). Wisdom’s Maw. Far Gone Books, 224. ISBN 0-965-18390-4.
* Lee, Martin; Shlain, Bruce (1985). Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond. New York: Grove Press. ISBN 0-8021-3062-3.
* Marks, John (1979). The Search for the Manchurian Candidate. New York: Times Books. ISBN 0-8129-0773-6.
* McCoy, Alfred (2006). A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror. Metropolitan Books, 21 sqq.. ISBN 0-8050-8041-4.
* Ranelagh, John (1988). The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA. Sceptre, 208-210. ISBN 0-340-41230-5.
* Ronson, Jon (2004). The Men Who Stare at Goats. Picador. ISBN 0-330-37548-2.
* Stevens, Jay (1987). Storming Heaven: LSD and The American Dream. New York: Grove Press. ISBN 0-8021-3587-0.
* Thomas, Gordon (1989). Journey into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse. New York: Bantam. ISBN 0-553-28413-4.
* Vankin, Jonathan; Whalin, John (2004). 80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time. Citadel Press. ISBN 0-8065-2531-2. Chapter 1, “CIAcid Drop”.
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MKULTRA Declassified Government Documents Archive From Abuse-Of-Power.org
http://abuse-of-power.org/modules/content/index.php?id=31
I have lots more where that came from..
I don’t see anything in the media that makes an interracial marriage more desirable than marriages within one’s race or ethnic group.
Many prominent black Americans have at times spoken about the “myth of white beauty” and how the standard of beauty is white-centric. Spike Lee’s “Jungle Fever” touches on this. Not an ‘interracial marriage’ meme per se, but this does reflect what the poster was saying about ‘utmost desirability’.
But here’s one from good ole wikipedia, which has an associated citation:
The 1990 census reports that 17.6% of African American marriages occur with White Americans. Yet, African American men are 2.6 times more likely to be married to White American women than African American women to White American men.
No, it’s not that white men are unwilling to date interracially…
In 1990, about 69 percent of married 18-30 year-old Asian women were married to Asian men, while 25 percent of married Asian women had white husbands. [5] In 2006, 50 percent of American-bred Asian women were married to Asian men, while 41 percent of American-bred Asian women had white husbands.
So there’s a definite gender disparity going on here. You’re telling me there’s nothing cultural going on? How else would you explain it?
Thanks!
“94TH Congress, 2d Session Senate Report No. 94-755
Foreign and Military Intelligence
Book I
Final Report of the Select Committee
To Study Govermental Operation With Respect To
Intelligence Activities”
***AKA the Church Commite Report***
Easy to read version:
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/church-committee-drugtesting-report.htm
Photographic version of the Final report
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book1/html/ChurchB1_0200b.htm
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Dr Aubrey Blumsohn
said on his Scientific Misconduct blog
http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2008/05/quiz-question-who-produced-lsd-for-cia.html
In fact CIA documents show that a U.S. source for LSD supply was desired. In 1953 the CIA provided Eli Lilly with funding to attempt synthesis of LSD for CIA use without the need for the expensive and scarce reagents required by Sandoz. A year later, Lilly chemists succeeded in their quest, and subsequent supplies were from Lilly[1,2]. Another more potent chemical used by MK-Ultra, BZ (3-quinuclidinyl benzilate), was produced by Hoffman-La Roche.
References:
1. CIA documents: Document #24, 16 November, 1953, Subject: ARTICHOKE Conference; Document #268, 23 October, 1953, Subject: Meeting in Director’s Office at 1100 hours on 23 October with Mr. Wisner and [deleted]; Document # 316,6 January,1954, Subject: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD-25); and Document #338, 26 October 1954, Subject: Potential Large Scale Availability of LSD through newly discovered synthesis by [deleted]; interviews with Sandoz and Lilly former executives; and Sidney Gottlieb’s testimony before Kennedy subcommittee, 1977, p. 203.
2.Marks, John (1979). The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: CIA and Mind Control. W W Norton & Co Ltd, 264. ISBN 0393307948
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http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/17/professor_mccoy_exposes_the_history_of
Amy Goodman interviews (8 min video or just read the text version) Prof. A. McCoy
The book is called A Question of Torture: C.I.A. Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror, and we’re joined by its author, Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
Here is a juicy bit from it:
“AMY GOODMAN: On unwitting Americans?
ALFRED McCOY: Unwitting Americans, produced nothing, okay? What they found time and time again is that electroshock didn’t work, and sodium pentathol didn’t work, LSD certainly didn’t work. You scramble the brain. You got unreliable information. But what did work was the combination of these two rather boring, rather mundane behavioral techniques: sensory disorientation and self-inflicted pain.
And in 1963, the C.I.A. codified these results in the so-called KUBARK Counterintelligence Manual. If you just type the word “KUBARK” into Google, you will get the manual, an actual copy of it, on your computer screen, and you can read the techniques [ Read the report. But if you do, read the footnotes, because that’s where the behavioral research is. Now, this produced a distinctively American form of torture, the first real revolution in the cruel science of pain in centuries, psychological torture, and it’s the one that’s with us today, and it’s proved to be a very resilient, quite adaptable, and an enormously destructive paradigm.
Let’s make one thing clear. Americans refer to this often times in common parlance as “torture light.” Psychological to torture, people who are involved in treatment tell us it’s far more destructive, does far more lasting damage to the human psyche than does physical torture. As Senator McCain said, himself, last year when he was debating his torture prohibition, faced with a choice between being beaten and psychologically tortured, I’d rather be beaten. Okay? It does far more lasting damage. It is far crueler than physical torture. This is something that we don’t realize in this country.”
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Frankly I am sick of people sticking their head in the sand and pretending the Government is this all- seeing, all- knowing, all truth telling, benevolent Master.
And in denial that the Fortune 100 and IMF, and other top 5% elite don’t impose their will upon the Governments of the Republic called the US, as well as the other important governments of the world.
There is a word, a dirty word in politics…
“Corruption”
It happens, but everyone thinks its the Italian Mafia or some other underworld doing it to the politicians. No, its publically traded corporation’s heads like Haliburton, Monsanto, Exxon, Dupont, Enron and others.
> In 1990, about 69 percent of married 18-30 year-old Asian women were married to Asian men, while 25 percent of married Asian women had white husbands. [5] In 2006, 50 percent of American-bred Asian women were married to Asian men, while 41 percent of American-bred Asian women had white husbands.
Well I’ve yet to meet a white male who consider lback women (I use the term because the statement is about more than just African Americans) to be particularly attractive. I mean there are obviously a few exceptions to the rule (and with many it is not entirely obvious if they are not interracial in the first place) but they are so few and far between that the end result will look like it does.
ADD and Ritalin abuse
@177 Nupnup
“Talk to a few people who actually have ADS and ask for their opinion about it”
First off, I have 500 hours of co-counseling with a Psychologist working with ADD and ADhD diagnosed persons. I have talked with them about it. 87% hate it, 10%
don’t hate it, and want something else, 3% like or love it.
(source pool is 312 people)
Secondly, its ADD or ADhD, not ADS.
There are two major types of ADD at this time (this aspect of ADD keeps evolving): ADD with hyperactivity (the traditional type of ADD) and ADD without hyperactivity (”inattentive” type). Here are the DSM IV diagnostic criteria in a condensed form:
Inattention (must meet six of the following to a degree that is “maladaptive”):
* Often fails to give close attention to details or makes mistakes in schoolwork;
* difficulty sustaining attention in tasks;
* seems not to listen;
* fails to follow instructions or finish work;
* unorganized;
* difficulties with schoolwork or homework;
* loses things like school assignments, books, tools, etc.;
* easily distracted;
* forgetful about daily activities.
ADD with Hyperactivity (must meet six of the following to a degree that is “maladaptive”):
* fidgety in a squirmy sense;
* doesn’t stay seated;
* runs or climbs excessively (or feelings of restlessness in older children);
* difficulty playing quietly;
* often “on the go” or acts if “driven by a motor”;
* often talks excessively;
* blurts out answers to questions;
* difficulty waiting in lines or waiting turns;
* often interrupts or intrudes on others.
Background and History: ADD was first identified and studied in the early 1900’s, although it wasn’t called ADD back then. After World War I, researchers noted that children who had contracted encephalitis displayed a high incidence of hyperactivity, impulsivity, and conduct disorders. And in the 1940’s, some soldiers who had experienced brain injuries were found to have behavioral disorders.1 It seemed clear that brain damage could cause hyperactivity. Other forms of brain insult have since been identified as causes of hyperactivity, including exposure to lead and other environmental toxins, as well as fetal exposure to drugs and alcohol.
Once brain damage was identified as a cause of hyperactivity in certain patients, researchers assumed that all hyperactivity was caused by brain damage, even when no brain damage could be identified. That’s why ADD was once called “minimal brain dysfunction.” This is an important point to understand. It is because of this early association of brain injury and hyperactivity that ADD traits are still assumed by many to reflect a brain disorder. Researchers made a giant leap in logic: Because brain injury can lead to hyperactivity, they believed that all hyperactivity was caused by brain injury.
We now know this is not true. In fact, hyperactivity is also associated with giftedness, but obviously we cannot say that all hyperactive children are gifted any more than we can say all hyperactive children have suffered brain injury.
More recent studies have shown that ADD is largely genetic. That is, it runs in families. This has lead some ADD researchers, notably Russell Barkley, to assume that our population is experiencing large scale random genetic mutations, a rather ridiculous notion for anyone familiar with population genetics. Anytime more than one percent of the population carries a gene, geneticists rule out random mutations under the belief that the gene has been actively selected for. For example, the gene-based disease sickle cell anemia has been found to help a population by providing resistance to malaria.
In the 1990’s a growing number of ADD experts began to view ADD not so much as a disorder, but instead a natural condition which leaves ADDers at a disadvantage in some common modern settings, and many positive attributes became associated with ADD, such as creativity, enthusiasm and entrepreneurial tendencies.
This is probably due in part to the ever expanding world of ADDers. A few decades ago only the most dysfunctional hyperactive kids were identified as “disordered” and these kids were more likely to suffer from actual brain injury. Today, the diagnostic criteria are so broad that millions of children in the U.S. are getting the label.
Any underachiever who doesn’t seem to pay attention in school or who has trouble handing in finished homework is fair game for a diagnosis. I spoke to one teenager who was diagnosed ADD even though her grade point average had never been below a 3.85 (taking Ritalin allowed her to achieve a 4.0).
I also spoke to a psychiatrist who routinely prescribed Ritalin to “C” students in an effort to improve their grade point average.
But the proof is in the pudding… First look at ratios of diagnosis ratios in the population at large
The three diagnosis you need to tabulate are:
ADD
ADHD
Ausberger’s Syndrome
Then compare that with sales of the drug “Methylphenidate hydrochloride” as well as the trade name “Ritalin” (manufacturer sales to wholesalers. (Production was 5 times the number of the accounted for ADD patients)
Its clear from my own research that the drug is way over proscribed in relation to the numbers of incidence/patients, and there is a lot of “Off label” prescriptive abuse.
but don’t take my word for it
“Study Suggests Doctors Overprescribing Ritalin”, CNN Report, Aired August 31, 1999.
@110 Re-Elect Bush
“In response to #107….Obama will accidentally fucked something up and make it horrible?”
“My guess is that you havent actually read and understand McCain’s policy positions or Obama’s policy positions.”
As a matter of fact, I have done my due diligence on both. These two men are built from dual parts of EPIC and FAIL.
I don’t know about you, but I find his (Obama) policy on wealth confiscation to be a horror.
Unnoticed by most Americans, the Obama/Hagel GLOBAL POVERTY ACT was quickly approved by a senate committee and cleared for the next step, debate in a democrat-controlled senate.
The GLOBAL POVERTY ACT (S.B.2433) is unique in its breathtaking scope. It is NOT foreign-aid. The Act will require the President and Congress to set aside .07% of the annual gross national product, to give away.
As if I didn’t have enough welfare mama’s to feed.
(If this isn’t communism pure and simple, then I don’t know what is)
Ever hear of “No taxation without representation” I certainly didn’t ever agree to have my tax dollars given to other countries, Nor did anyone I know.
which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends, doing welfare to the third world.
Never mind his stance on raising the rate for social security taxes.
And why is it my sweat equity (earned income) that is always being taxed at a much higher rate.
Why isn’t passive investment (portfolio income) taxed at a higher rate?
Oh thats right…. thats how the the rich make the majority of their money… and they have thier lobbyists getting face time with chumps like Obama, to ensure they are protected.
So where are these magical black+white couples?
Most are in major metropolitan cities that have extensive “diversity”. In the city I live in, I see it all the time. Black men with white women, brown men with white women, white men with Asian women, and lastly white men with black women.
They’re still a small fraction of the couples in the United States, and the only reason for any growth is due to cultural prohibitions on such relationships disappearing.
Right. Cultural prohibitions dropping, memes of kumbaya equality, desirability, forbidden fruit etc.
I don’t see anything in the media that makes an interracial marriage more desirable than marriages within one’s race or ethnic group.
You aren’t in tune to it.
What affirmative action in neighbourhood housing? Even in the most “liberal” cities, black people live separately from white people, and in many cases, it’s by choice of the black people.
Let’s get real here, shall we? The only “choice” whites have is to spend money and move if the neighborhood changes in an undesirable direction. There is no “choice” for whites to live in an all white neighborhood. As much as whites may try to achieve this, the Feds will never allow it. Never. As for other protected groups, well, it’s not as big of a problem as one would expect. As for all black neighborhoods, most people aren’t going to be too interested in moving into these areas by choice to “diversify” them.
I had refrained from making this sort of comment given the nature of the original posting, but what with 196 comments going off on all tangents, it’s time:
The Glorious Natural Pelt rules!!!
Sometimes I wonder if the US will split in a few decades. We would have the multhiethnic East Coast People’s Republic, Jesusland (the center), Small Africa (Alabama plus Mississippi plus parts of Tennesse), and the state of California.
I think your fetish is rather strange, Peter. Do you like hairs on the forarms and hairpits on women too? Maybe you like women with lower levels of estrogen and higher levels of testosterone.
I think your fetish is rather strange, Peter. Do you like hairs on the forarms and hairpits on women too? Maybe you like women with lower levels of estrogen and higher levels of testosterone.
Actually, I don’t particularly care for excess body hair on women. Just in one special spot …
Ban Peter please!
Sith Lord-that fine looking white guy was an ex-pat Englishman.
The Glorious Bald Eagle rules!!!
Ban me and Peter please!
Ban me and Peter, but not the silky-smooth Yuko…
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn28/yukoshaves/yuko001/YukoHandsOnColumn.jpg
DC is no joke. The greatest thing about living in DC is every other city seems so “safe”.
DC is no joke. The greatest thing about living in DC is every other city seems so “safe”.
I used to feel the same way when i lived in Philadelphia. I went to (gulp) Temple for grad school. Got some great street cred for it!
David Alexander,
“Except nobody is forcing you to associate with black people or live with them. Nobody is forcing you marry a Hispanic, Arab, or Black female. In contrast, people like you in all racial and ethnic groups are forcing me to limit my only choices for association and romantic partnership to blacks. I am a nonexistent threat to you, but you are great threat to *me*.”
This is what people don’t get. Poeple are being forced to associate and live near people that they normally would not have to live near because those people would not normally move to there neighborhood. The government has moved people next door to white people on purpose. From what I understand cities cannot get certain grant money from the federal government if they do not have enough minorities living in them. Why on the brightside houses in my town now auction for between 5000 and 10000 dollars yea real low cost of living anyway.
crackpot said:
this is why i love roissy- he’s a race realist alpha male. your friends, virgil kent, chic noir and t, should come over and comment on half sigma, like you do.
Ilsometimes urk at half sigma & the “urban____ blog” written by the Asian guy. I don’t comment there because I see know need to, people are going to think what they are going to think. As I have said before, I really don’t like talking about race.
I empathise a little with them. When I was younger I handled all altercations with physical violence. If you disrespected me you got punched in the face. It worked well but then you become an adult and the people who win are the sweet talking folk who use there tongue to inflict damage. Puts the person who uses thier fists at a disadvantage. Then you go to hr just like in school and the sweet talker wins again even though hr is supposed to protect everyone from evil fuckers. Maybe I am just angry that when I wore the blue and red bandannas and the black people let me down and just knocked me out. Then a year after I went to the military two college kids where pulled from the apartment I stayed in used thier atms to get money then were made to beg for there lives and killed. The one where the killers parked their stolen suv in front of their own house. I mean shit wtf. I was their for 2 years and wanted to die. I also put to rest the bs claims of guns are dangerous. I pointed one at my head many times over for two years and they do not go off until you pull the trigger no matter how bad you may want it to go off. Doesn’t even matter if you pray to God to let it go off. The fucking gun will not just go off until Someone makes a conscious descision to pull the trigger. What do I have a fucking sign on me don’t kill this guy.
P.S. Fuck you God. Might have to do some bitch slapping when I do go one day and meet him. He should be cool with it though. Since I was told how much God loves me and all. If I loved someone so much I’d take a bitchslap if they felt the need over some stupid shit I’d done.
Thanks Roissy I think I may feel better.
Not Psycho anymore still trying to make the best of my world prison term to stay and be merry or whatever. Hahahahahah
Hilarious
That is precisely my point: The narrative: If a crime is committed by a white person or kid, there is always this
“psychological explanation”….the kid was abused…the kid was made fun of..how can somebody from such good home do such a thing…..blahblahblah. However, if the same crime was committed by a black kid….the narrative is usually…here is a bunch of lazy kids who wants an easier way to make a buck than actually work for it.
I agree 100 percent. Add in hundreads of years of negative sterotypes about black people and that explains that. I won’t disagree the numbers, there is a crime problem in the black community but it’s causes are so many and most of the people commenting really don’t want to learn about them.
Just remember when/if all of the blacks and Latinos are gone there will be another group to hate. Asians and brown haired/brown eyed whites look out you will be next.
Gunslingergregi
Don’t get it
The kid that went in and shot up the school had a reason the kids were calling him a fag and probably more than once. Guess the other kids thought there weren’t going to be consequences but there were. Now take a security guard no gun getting 5 whatever an hour gets shot in the head cause some idiot wants to join a gang. Do you see a difference.
Look at whats his name blowing up the fed bldg he had his reasons. Unibomber had his manifesto. Black peoples excuse is that they wanted a quarter or some shit or the equivelant in money of a weeks work. Do you maybe get it or see a difference in cultures. Even Jeffery Daumer was hungry. I mean shit theres always some larger reason for others to die. So at least the people he ate can say hey that white dude was mentally fucked up he ate people. What about the family of the person who gets shot at the convenience store doing some shit job and dieing for it. What the fuck was the reason oh yea a little tiny bit of cash fucking pathetic. I would definetly rather get killed for some real reason other than some ass wanted the equivelant of 40 hours of work. Do you see a difference.
You can’t be serious ^^^
I was reading your rants trying to see things from your point of view. After reading ^^^I realize that you are a lost cause and a bit disturbed.
Goodbye!
Yea but truth. What is the real reason they are killing that convenience store clerk or college student. Give them other options. I call it from the side most people never see. It was me and 90 guys I was the only white boy on the court. Then I realized I was the only white boy on the court.
Awww Chic don’t say lost cause with a smiley face. I never thought black woman from the states were good looking unless they were half. Now though I have seen the light African and African American are different. I think I will bring my woman to Ethiopia and try one out and pretend its you which will be tough. They don’t have maxim “butt” they just have third world “butt” which looks really good.
And Chic the smokers are the in thing for the media to hate. You are right thier will always be someone to hate until you allow the people who want to leave to leave and make it acceptable and easy and people see that not everyone wants to stay in this shithole. I think there will be less hate when people can freely leave this world. I think there will in fact be way more love. People would be walking on pins and needles wiht each other. Oh had a bad day at work off to suicide land condoned by the government and upbringing. Yea lot more attentive people around or noone but if thats the case then we shouldn’t be here anyway.
I just take a realistic view of the world. Can anyone say what is the real reson we should stay here and work till we can’t then die. Why not just do it sooner. Why wait what is so great about life. Anyone. If people like it stay if not they should be able to freely go. Pretty bad if you have to keep people here by saying you will go to hell for eternity if you kill yourself only god can decide your time. I think we are past the time of having to invent the boogieman to keep people here. People are not needed as much. Let’s do us all a favor and let my people go.
Mr. Race Realist said:
the link you sent on India you actually read wrong. its not 18 million, its 1.8 million, they just put the commas differently.
What did u expect from someone who deliberately lumps indians in wth east asians? For social science purposes, asian usually means east asian. Indians are a different breed. Most people understand this. However, this mistake by Another Idiot is hilarious!
Wrong, in England(from other parts of Europe) people from India and Pakistan are called Asian.
PA said:
It’s possible to be a race realist and be friends with people of other races.
If you say so
In england people from india pakistan bangladesh srilanka ects are called asians whereas the chineese japanesse koreans ect are called orientals
SORRY, Evolution is merciless
heh… yeah it would be if allowed to run its course
just imagine africa wiped clean in 50 years if AIDS were allowed to run its course… ah but evil white man come with big magic and condoms to slow the natives from fucking themselves and the monkeys to death… AIDS easily one of the most preventable diseases around… don’t fuck other men in the ass or do intravenous drugs … yes it’s that simple despite what the gay agenda says
kinda like polar bears should be growing flippers, gills, and learning to swim more or fucking die
gotta luv the hitler was white comments
there are at least a half dozen countries in africa where the dictator / thug would completely annihilate the opposition if they weren’t so fucking stupid, lazy, and poor to build a railroad, concentration camps, and gas chambers… but alas they’re stuck with machetes with the occasional ak47 bonus round of mass killing
Its true in England people from India, pakistan, bangladesh, srilanka ect are known as asians whereas chineese ,japanese korean, people are reffered to as oriental
the west controls all other countries thru funding bribery power ect, causing trouble in other countries. Its silly to criticise other races because its been shown repeatedly that we are all related, we all originate from the same ansestors so why the hate, and killing others that r different,
Oh yeah id just liek 2say
no blood for oil
@216 chicnoir
“What did u expect from someone who deliberately lumps indians in wth east asians? For social science purposes, asian usually means east asian. Indians are a different breed. Most people understand this. However, this mistake by Another Idiot is hilarious!”
“Wrong, in England(from other parts of Europe) people from India and Pakistan are called Asian”
Very true… Don’t forget Asia begins at Turkey and ends at bearing straits Alaska
So we could call turks, armenian, arabs, jews, persians, hindis, as being asians, in the loosest sense of the term. But if you want to speak genetically or socioculturally then
call them Indians (peoples of the indus valley).
@218 turtle
“but alas they’re stuck with machetes with the occasional ak47 bonus round of mass killing”
But as Lord of War points out… white men make the guns and sell em to the poor africans. So whites are the culprits. And of course lets ban guns (except for the rich of course) because its the ethical thing to do.
I have the feeling I just rethreaded to the beginning topic in a round about way.
Its a white man’s fault, that he got shot by a minority, three times. I guess his race shouldn’t have made the gun or bullets. If he hadn’t, then some blogger wouldn’t have been capped,
“Two Blocks From Roissy Headquarters”.
@220 katie
“no blood for oil”
The first think this child has gotten right, out of her mouth.
*SHOCKED*
the indus valley runs thru pakistan not india, turks palestinians ect ppl are usually known as middle eatern as opposed to asians
and genetically were all connected
and genetically were all connected
“Genetically”, we’re all connected to chimps, rodents, worms to varying degrees as well, Katie. So what?
This is Franz Boas bilge that you so eloquently regurgitate. Congrats, you’ve managed to drink the kool aid.
Katie lives in England. Those of us in the U.S. might not realize how far down the totalitarian road that country’s gone. It’s no wonder she’s reciting her teachers’ propaganda like such an apt pupil.
If you don’t believe me, see this latest outrage from that Land of the Dead: daycare employees are now instructed to look for signs of racism in toddlers. Yes, that’s 2-3 year old children. Said signs specifically include not liking spicy or unfamiliar food.
The article appeared in the Telegraph, with links on Lawrence Auster’s blog and in National Review’s “Corner.”
But let’s not laugh at Katie. The bell tolls for thee.
I think katie is a sweet young innocent thing and I want to make love to her.
Fights soooo hard no to give in….
/fail
*now feels guilty for the coming pleasure*
TRUTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
@224 katie
“the indus valley runs thru pakistan not india, turks palestinians ect ppl are usually known as middle eatern as opposed to asians”
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Point 1.
“the indus valley runs thru pakistan not india”
( Comment )
The deliberate failures of the English education system become rather glaring now.
A: Fact,
“The Islamic Republic of Pakistan was founded on the 14th of August 1947.”
B: Fact,
“The Indus Valley Civilization is also known as the Harappan Civilization after the city of Harappa where it was first discovered. It extended over a large region of present-day Pakistan and western India.”
“It was one of the earliest known “state societies”, existing as a unified culture between approximately 2600 BC and 1900 BC. Over 1000 settlements have been found, the majority along the Ghaggar-Hakra river. Others were on the Indus and its tributaries or spread as widely as Mumbai (Bombay) to the south, Delhi to the east, the Iranian border to the west and the Himalayas to the north.”
http://www.harappa.com/ has descriptions and photographs of archaeological excavations.
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Pakistan has no basis in this, its a novelty.
Their are no pakistani people, only Hindi-arabs who are practitioners of Islam.
Watch Gandhi (received eight Academy Awards) to understand how Pakistan came into existence.
It was racial-religious separation or Open Civil war
Its pathetic that an Aryan (indo-european) child, has been raised in ignorance of her heritage. She has been programed to fail. This is a law student, if she is not lying.
I weep for humanity. I weep for Katie.
This is happening to all the races.
And we, as a whole, are indifferent to it.
Those who are aware and awake are called many many evil names to keep the circle of silence, and ignorance alive.
Have to say it:
PWNED!!!!!!111111!!!!!1111111111one
Gunslingergregi said :Yea but truth. What is the real reason they are killing that convenience store clerk or college student. Give them other options. I call it from the side most people never see. It was me and 90 guys I was the only white boy on the court. Then I realized I was the only white boy on the court.
@ Gunslingergregi- Most often, the reason a convenience store clerk or college student is killed to prevent a possible witness/victim from testifying or IDing(tp) the culprit.
I think you should read Roosh’s blog. Notice how Roosh has decided to enjoy life when he is not chasing tail. Maybe you need to travel for a while and leave your problems behind. If you have insurance or can afford to pay out of pocket, I would advise you to see a psychiatrist. Most importantly, make sure you feel comfortable with the shrink you are going to see. Otherwise, you may have difficulty with truthfully expressing yourself and explaining your problems.
turtle- Most of the so-called victims of AIDS in Africa are being diagnosed without being tested for the disease. What often happens is an African person goes to see the doctor and if he/she has pneumonia, thrush or any other disease which people with HIV or AIDS suffer from, they are told or counted as having been affected. In this country, people with pneumonia and thrush are not classified as being infected with a HIV or AIDS test.
218 turtle
SORRY, Evolution is merciless
heh… yeah it would be if allowed to run its course
just imagine africa wiped clean in 50 years if AIDS were allowed to run its course… ah but evil white man come with big magic and condoms to slow the natives from fucking themselves and the monkeys to death…
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Turtle I have to say that your statement ironically supports what ‘another Idiot’ said, if you can follow what I mean. I’m not trying to pick an argument with you or trying to score one over you, but go read that post again and maybe you’ll see.
In reference to my 229 comment it was to how Katie got pwned and not to this unfortunate blogger’s experience.
Chicnoir,
I donate to Rhoosh’s blog because I respect what the guy has done. He has tried to make the best of it and is working on enlightenment. See the ad area where it says Gunslingergregi Donates. I have been traveling for a while now, I like it. I escaped the shithole I lived in by joining the army. One of best descisions I have made. I get to enjoy other places. I live in Iraw now. I save my money. I work all the time now so I can maybe have a nice chill life one day. I try to make the best of what I have in the predicament I am in. I am resigned to the fact that I have to stay here. I lived in Germany where I saw no crime you can walk around downtown at night and there where never any problems as far as I saw.
If they killed the college kids just so they wouldn’t get id’d then why did they park the vehicle in front of there own house. Get it they wanted to get caught. They obviously were tired or life themselves. They were ready to go. They were hoping the government would do the right thing and execute them more than likely. The shame is they get put on death row forever and don’t get there wish.
As far as id these guys are on video and they know it when they rob the store. So they wear a mask or whatever hopefully. Why do they need to kill the clerk. Did they think maybe to rob a store that wasn’t on there block. What I was saying is I had thoughts of wanting to die when I was younger because I saw my future and did not want to put in the effort required to accomplish it. I saw no real purpose to the lives around me and did not want to follow in those footsteps. I didn’t have the balls to kill myself so I thought about killing some innocent people to be able to then have the balls to kill myself. I am also saying maybe other people felt the same way. Other people were able to leave the planet on their own but they tend to take others with them. I couldn’t I think in part because of my upbringing I can’t completely disprove God I can’t completely disprove that I would go to hell for leaving on my own. They don’t want to work a shit job to make a little money to have an apartment to have electricity and maybe go out on the weekend. Maybe it is not enough of a draw to stay here. I am saying if suicide would become looked at differently rather than what we are normally taught. I mean they tried to get rid of God so lets get rid of him already and maybe some of these people doing crimes where they look like they are basically trying to get caught or where they kill themselves at the end. They can go and die legitimately and not have to commit the crime in the first place (maybe the people they kill wanted to live and that is not very nice) to get the balls to let the chips fall they can just be allowed to leave the planet with some help from the government at the free suicide clinic and some good advertising to convince them it is a moral choice and acceptable. I think the world would be safer.
I am just trying to be real with myself. Psychology is for woman it doesn’t solve the problem which woman probably love and they get to spend money. Blowing people away then killing yourelf for men solves the problem when they are younger. Which is what I am saying they need a different choice.
Gunslingergregi said:
“I donate to Rhoosh’s blog because I respect what the guy has done. He has tried to make the best of it and is working on enlightenment. See the ad area where it says Gunslingergregi Donates.”
The only thing that separates the non-working Roosh from the Section 8 folks you all criticize is that the unemployed Roosh has a wealthy daddy to live with.
@229 Poseur
Have to say it:
PWNED!!!!!!111111!!!!!1111111111one
232 Poseur
In reference to my 229 comment it was to how Katie got pwned and not to this unfortunate blogger’s experience.
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Lets try to rephrase that. I pwned her school system’s trash education. She is a mostly blameless victim of her circumstance.
Rather like a girl who walked down the wrong street, on the wrong night, to get home.
That sham of an education, posted against one of my comments, reinforces my statement about white belts, in an earlier post.
Forensic Anthropology is an addiction of mine. Since I was a child, watching Indiana Jones raiding tombs, and battling Nazis; thats who I wanted to grow up to be. Funny, I never realized I would be fighting the Female National Socialists. Or talking about a hobby.
In the search for truth…
one is advised to learn from the extinct peoples who have come before, and learn their lessons. In order to evolve, adapt, and overcome, when faced with similar challenges.
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
-George Santayana
Public welfare schemes, like those put into place by LBJ in the 60’s, have far more to do with the breakdown of Black family structure in America.
When you subsidize something (having kids outside of marriage, not working, free housing…) you get more of it.
Uncle Sam is now the father of all these black bastard children running loose in America’s inner cities. The same left wing people want EVEN MORE handouts, tax breaks, programs, and reduced sentences to try harder to fix the problem.
The problem is the giant fucking nanny-state. There is a reason why the successful people in this world are surrounded by stable relationships (marriage, family, church, clubs) and shun people who are not in one; because to not have structure leads young men to run buck fucking wild and turns young girls into baby making machines and strippers.
The answer is to stop giving handouts, end welfare, end minimum wage, and make it easier to start businesses. Give the good people free handguns and get the illegals to build prisons to house all the fuckers who fail to get on the boat heading to GetAFuckingJobAndPayYourWay town.
@236 da_truth_hurts
Preach it!!! Come on, Bring it!!! MORE!!!
“Except nobody is forcing you to associate with black people or live with them.”
Nobody except the federal government.
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What a bunch of racist fools. Has no one read GUNS, GERMS and STEEL?
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If Roissy be so pimp, why he gots to live so close to the ‘to?
I bet he got shot because he was wearing a shirt that said, “I’M BLOGGING THIS.” Section 8 ‘hood or not, whoever wears that shirt deserves to get shot in the spleen.
Let’s just hope it will happen again and this time they won’t miss the target.
One single bullet.
Your head. Bum.
I’d love to hear you died, honey. My adored roissy charles de gaule. My love. Roissie. Dead.
*Sss…*