Women seem to think that men are too thickheaded and inattentive to identify which of them are cockgobbling cumguzzling sluts. Or they prefer to believe their sly poses of innocence and white lies are good enough to keep men in the dark about their sexual histories. They would be wrong. The dirty little secret is out: Men have finely tuned straydar for slutty women because they are the ones more likely to cheat. Women lie more about their sexual pasts to men and to themselves, or otherwise expend great effort covering it up, because they know that men will downgrade them as potential long term mates if their sluttiness were revealed in all its jizz-spackled bukkaked glory.
Here is a list of tramp tells:
- She broaches the subject of sex first.
The more explicitly she talks about sex before you’ve banged her, the likelier she has a storied slutty past.
- She suggests kinky sex acts.
If you’ve been dating a short while and she eagerly implores you for public sex before the glow of bedroom missionary sex has worn off, you’ve got a slut.
- She’s neurotic and disagreeable.
Emotionally flighty girls are vaginally flighty girls. They are ruled by their vaginas. If she’s the gossipy, backstabbing, conniving sort who drips with sarcasm and generally disdains everyone around her, you can bet her black soul will seek sustenance on a carousel of cock.
- She frequently goes commando.
Yeah, as guys, we think it’s hot when we slide our hands under our girlfriends’ dresses during dinner in a fancy restaurant and discover a panty-less pussy waiting for us, but what if you notice she’s sans underwear while you’re both shopping in Whole Foods? At a family picnic? In church? On a ferris wheel? In a glass elevator? You get the picture.
- She’s got that crazy, hyper, coked-up look in her eyes.
Welcome to attention whore land! Chicks who can’t breathe without being the center of attention are chicks who are unable to control their craving for fresh cock. You want to be on the lookout for manic depressives and girls who can’t make it through a ten minute conversation without screeching in phony excitement.
- She shows a lot of cleavage all the time.
No worries if she’s accentuating her tits on the first date to entice you, but if she’s got those colliding death stars displayed for the world to admire every time you’re out with her, you’ve got a woman on your hands who is addicted to advertising herself. And there will be buyers, oh yes!
- She *really* seems to know what she’s doing in bed.
Hey man, nothing like getting a BJ from a chick who knows how to hit the underside with her tongue, but it does make you wonder how much dick it required for her to reach that level of professionalism.
- She has an impressive collection of vibrators and admits to wacking off to porn.
She’s a high testosterone sex fiend who values sexual novelty more than pair bonding. This type of girl is a creature of her id. High T girls are easy to spot. Check for forearm hair, narrow hips, broad shoulders, a penchant for cursing, a flat ass (adjusted for race), career ambition, and status whoring.
- She asks you how many women you’ve slept with or accuses you of being a player.
One word: projection.
- She seems “hard”.
If she’s got that tough, tankgrrl aura about her, like she’s been through dating hell and back, and her cynicism is worse than yours, you know she’s been used like a cheap whore.
- She’s incredibly circumspect or incredibly forthcoming about her past or sex in general.
In the course of a few dates, occasionally the conversation turns to past loves or sexual experiences, or views on men and women and the dating scene. Normally, these exchanges are blessedly brief and act as useful springboards for other topics, but when she seems like she’s hiding something big you’ve got a right to be suspicious. Listen for tells that give the game away. Stuff like “Oh well, we all have our skeletons”. Or “I’ve learned so much growing up.” Or “Men are pigs.” (The last one usually said by a record breaking slut.) Naturally, you want to write off any girl as GF material who brags about her CRAZY and WILD college years. Believe me, those years included more than college.
- She’s an artsy type.
Or a lawyer. See: Eternal Ingenue and Amazonian Alpha. The paradox of femininity is that it is often both the ultrafeminine and ultramasculine women who have racked up big numbers of men.
- She tells you about all the places she’s traveled.
Yeah, chicks love to travel, but how many have put their dreams into action? If your date has been around the world twice with multiple stops in Rome, Rio, Vegas, LA, or some Appalachian backwater you can be sure she’s “traveled” straight into the crotch of an exotic local at every destination.
- She never has a break between men longer than one week.
If she’s the type who can’t stand to be single and monkey swings from one man to the next, sometimes with sperm-sharing overlap, odds are high she’s a slut.
- You’re tapping her for the first time and she doesn’t remind you to put on a condom.
We men have an excellent fallback system for flushing out the sluts. If we think you’ve been around, we act as if we’re going to rawdog you, only to reach for the condom at the last possible second. If you haven’t reminded us to put one on during the long pre-penetration buildup, and it looks like you’d have been OK taking our unwrapped meat, we have all the evidence we need that you’re a skank.
- She never stops shit testing you.
A girl who is constantly testing you for alpha congruency is a girl who would jump to another man the moment you betatize yourself. Worthy girls keep the shit testing to a bare minimum. Turn on your love light, baby.
- She buys you a lot of gifts.
I’m not sure why this is a leading indicator of sluttiness, but in my experience it is. Especially if she showers you with little gifts early in the relationship. I open the floor to a discussion of theories for this particular observation.
- She’s OK with making out in bars.
Self-explanatory.
- She lets you snort coke off her ass.
Oh yeah, big time slut.
- She’s black.
Sorry, folks, hate to say it, but going by my personal experience and what I’ve heard from friends, black chicks seem to sleep around more. Don’t blame me, I’m just the Deliverer Of Truths Best Left Unsaid But I’m Going To Say Anyhow.
- She has a lot of slutty friends.
Ye shall know her by her support group.
- Her cunt is cavernous.
Some of you wonder if this is an urban legend or a frat boy joke, but it’s got a kernel of truth. If you feel big with most girls, but small with her (and she doesn’t have the excuse of being a seacow), she has a stretched out pussy that has happily accommodated a parade of giant cocks. Why do you think Kegels are all the rage with the city slutterati? Chicks are onto the fact that their distended pussies betray their loose ways, and anything to tighten up that love hole helps them hide their pecker pounded tracks. When I feel humongous with a girl, I know she has a normal sized snatch that hasn’t been used like the town orifice. The more I feel like I’m ripping her insides to shreds, the likelier I am to move her to the front of my cherished girlfriend queue.
- Your gut tells you she may be a slut.
Always go with your gut. It will almost never lead you astray.
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A lot of guys, particularly artsy fartsy greater beta males whose agenda is to ingratiate themselves to women with a fawning act of white knighting nonjudgmentalism drivel, believe that it is wrong to categorize women by sluttiness, let alone to disqualify them as relationship candidates based on how many hot loads to the face they took over the course of their sexually active lifetimes. “Don’t judge!” is the rallying cry of weak women and lickspittle betas and lesser alphas everywhere. Conveniently forgotten in this social stampede to shame male standards out of existence is the fact that judgement is inherent to human nature. The frontlines of judging eyes are everywhere. We all do it, including those who judge others for exercising their judgement. If sluttiness were just another lifestyle choice with no implications, there would not be a stigma attached to the word, nor a concerted effort to enforce compliance with the equalist world order by the guardians of female prerogative and pushers of beta male submission howling with inflamed passion at the injustice of men who dare to promote less promiscuous women at the expense of sluts for the best of their masculine love and attention.
Note: As a tactical matter, it’s recommended to refrain from being judgemental of the sexual history of girls you are gaming. Naturally, you don’t want to deep six a budding romance before you’ve closed the deal. There will be plenty of time post-sex for you to take a measure of the girl’s sluttiness and screen her for lesser or greater commitment. I think this goes without saying, but apparently there are some commenters who believe being completely nonjudgemental of anything a woman does is the mark of an alpha. In fact, it’s just the opposite. Only alphas have the market value to mercilessly judge the women they choose to bring into their lives.
Men subconsciously judge women’s sluttiness for eminently practical reasons, just as women judge men on a host of alpha benchmarks for similarly practical reasons. No moral equation required. “Slut” is, in fact, a morally neutral term in the context of the sexual market, where a slutty girl is viewed, justifiably, desirably as an easy lay who will go all the way right away, and undesirably as a girlfriend or wife prospect in whom to invest precious resources. With the law and social institutions of the modern west arrayed against male interest as it hasn’t been in all of human history, it is of critical importance that men get this part of choosing girls for long term investmest and wife and mother potential down to a science. Mandatory paternity testing will aid them in this, and I predict such testing will seismically shift the playing field in a way we haven’t seen since the introduction of the pill and widespread use of the condom. While most married men are not soulkilled by cuckoldry, it only takes a radical change at the margins to have a huge effect on the behaviors of the whole.
For those of you new to the Wonderworks that is Roissy, don’t bother bitching ineffectually like a wind-up Jezebel lezbot about “double standards“. They are a fact of deeply ingrained sex differences, and aren’t going anywhere. No one said life was fair.
Roissy Maxim #41: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men.
Corollary to #41: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by the cheating slut.
The median number of sex partners for American women is 3(!). The average is 8.6. This means that there is a group of super slutty women, let’s call them “girls who live in the big blue coastal cities and work in marketing or PR”, who are shifting the average higher for all women. By these numbers, it is fair to conclude that a woman who has had more than the median number of partners is a candidate for slut designation, and the higher her number the sluttier she is.
0 lifetime partners: Sweet virginal manna. A bit weird, but you’re confident you’ll break her in.
3 lifetime partners: Typical woman. Wife and mother of your children material.
10 lifetime partners: Above average. Proceed with caution.
15 lifetime partners: Well above average. Be dominant or she’ll cheat.
25 lifetime partners: A whole lot. Use her and lose her.
100 lifetime partners: Stopwatch material. You wonder how fast you can get her from “Hi” to “Spread your ass cheeks, I’m going in”.
I suspect that overall female sluttiness (actual penis in vagina sluttiness, not sluttiness as defined by proxy fashion trends) has increased slightly over the past 40 years, with the blue state city chicks fucking around more than ever and the red state religious girls fucking around less. It goes without saying that only the top 20% of men are enjoying the emergent slut bounty.
What men think about sluts, illustrated:
That smile on her face his hilarious.
the ’she’s black’ one is absolutely absurd
Very odd observation regarding abundant gifts.
Having dated interracially and/or being outraged at the mildest disapproval of interracial dating is also a slut red flag. This is true of white women, anyway.
The reason that “cross-league playing” is a slut red flag is because women have a narrow “type” range in the kind of guys they sleep with and generally stick with one race. Usually their own, but not always. Not so with racially omnivorous women.
She frequently goes commando.
True story: back in the early 1990’s in Connecticut I worked for a while as a courtroom clerk, marking exhibits, swearing in witnesses, that sort of thing. Lousy job, but it more or less paid the bills until I got something better. At any rate, there was this trial in which the defendant was accused of having raped a woman he’d met in a lowlife bar. During cross-examination, the public defender asked the victim what type of underwear she had been wearing when she went out to the bar. “I wasn’t wearing any underwear,” she replied.
I was sitting at a desk that faced the jury box. As soon as the victim made the “no underwear” remark at least three or four of the jurors (Connecticut uses six rather than twelve) got these looks on their faces that varied from shock to disgust to amusement. They were mostly middle-aged or older, more women than men, and quite clearly did not take a charitable view towards a woman who’d go out to a bar without underpants.
The jury ended up convicting the defendant, there being all sorts of evidence against him, but I was mildly surprised that the underwear issue didn’t result in a not guilty verdict. He had a long record and ended up getting 15 or 20 years.
Peter
Brilliant thesis! Are you a tenured professor? You should be.
Perhaps the title should be changed to “It is Easy to Identify the Easily Identifiable Sluts”. Those are some rather obvious tells, except for the black thing (ok…) and the gifts thing. Perhaps the gifts thing comes from a girl who tries too hard to please, and give a guy what he wants, whether it be easy sex, or gifts? I’ve always heard that black women tend to be more sexually conservative than white women, but who knows? It is the traits of the more undercover sluts that I was hoping to suss out, and it really didn’t succeed in that.
Roissy, can you add to that list… they move to different cities… often… I’ve seen this a bit where the only way to get rid of the rep is to ghost out of town like Swayze….
This is a good observation, and I also wonder if that’s what’s at play with Roissy’s “She’s black” observation. It might not be the fact that she’s black that indicates she’s slutty, but the fact that she’s black and he’s white and she is still willing to date him. For example as a black guy I always found white girls who date interracially to be sluttier than black girls who date exclusively black.
yes:
sluttiness (ok)
cunt (not on my dictionary)
cleavage (ok)
panty-less pussy (understood)
betatize yourself (…aham)
tankgrrl aura (han??)
this is actually improving my vocabulary
what was the cunt?
*what IS (–) cunt?
She’s neurotic and disagreeable.
Could also be a sign of sexual inexperience.
She seems “hard”.
See prior remark.
High T girls are easy to spot. Check for forearm hair
Now this is getting interesting.
Peter
they move to different cities… often… I’ve seen this a bit where the only way to get rid of the rep is to ghost out of town like Swayze….
epic, good observation. it’s true, sluts move from city to city. chaste girls are less peripatetic.
i’ll add to the list as i remember more of the tells that i’ve come across while dating sluts.
note: dating and fucking sluts is fun. spending money on them, bringing them home to mom, or considering them for cohabitation or marriage is not fun.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19374216/
In the bulleted section, it states that 13% of black women have had 15 or more partners compared to 9% for all women.
BUT…it’s difficult to call black women sluttier in this instance if you consider black men’s behavior. 46% of black men have had 15 or more partners compared to just 29% of all men. Black women are sluttier than the average woman (given your definition of slut) in absolute terms, but compared to their more common sex partners (black men) they don’t seem as slutty.
Also, check out the actual CDC study: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
Black women’s spread b/w median and mean is greater than that for other women. If this definition of slutiness is correct is of course now open for debate. GO!
Good one. I’d throw in frequent vacationing too.
This is a good observation, and I also wonder if that’s what’s at play with Roissy’s “She’s black” observation.
T, it’s possible that is a factor, but then i’ve heard the slut complaint about black girls from black guys as well, who surprisingly didn’t seem to mind so much.
The only question is: Do I still have the emails of the girls I’d like to forward this post to?
I’m going to add a couple here:
1) Self-consciously radiating an aura of innocence, i.e. speaking in a baby voice; lowering her head and shyly avoiding a man’s eyes when she speaks; an indefinable air of helplessness. If a woman is still in her teens or (at most) very early 20s, these signs may indicate real innocence, but if she’s older than 22 and still using these tricks, she’s an experienced seductress who knows how well they work. That, fellows, is the kind of “slut” to look out for. See my old posts on the Eternal Ingenue. (In fact, I think my Heartbreaker posts are basically about the same thing as this one.)
2) In spite of not seeming very experienced, she knows how to use the “kino” moves perfected by male alphas. Nothing crass or obvious; just delicate little touches slipped in with a hand quickly drawn away.
When I discovered that my first wife was indulging in exotic, extramarital cock, I was able to correlate – through the magic of chat logs – a couple of gifts with specific rendezvous. One example: some gourmet chocolate from Barnes & Noble, later revealed to be a trip made to see the other man. Her agenda with me was to “have her cake and eat it too”, so I imagine the gift was simply a way to convince me that she was thinking of me when, in fact, her thoughts were elsewhere.
She considers herself an honest person, but I discovered that she was adept at both lies-of-omission” and dissembling (presenting facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading).
I kicked her to the curb when this came to light, of course. This list would have saved me an ill-spent decade.
clio, good points. there do seem to be two main varieties of sluts — the crass ones and the coy ones. it is a good idea to cast a jaundiced eye on excessively girlish older women, while still enjoying their company. i believe every slut has a tell, and it is only a matter of time before her inner skank reveals itself. for some poor betas, that time may come a little too late (after marriage and kids).
I love eternal ingenue’s and am happy to be gamed by them, whether or not they are sluts! They provide a strange balm to the soul, a reverently preserved wine of wines! They are very condusive to general productivity. Met one on the train three weeks ago, she opened me!… below age of consent, but such an enlivening, transformative experience, even if it couldn’t go anywhere. Meeting these creatures makes me see why men compose art, I wished to write a poem! My whole week changed. And it can be maintained, to an extent, Carla Bruni can still enrapture, an ingenue!
This post reeks of the madonna-whore complex which is pretty interesting considering that most successful PUAs (and especially those who have MLTRs) all tend to emphasize how important it is to be non-judgemental about the girls past. This has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with results: non-judgemental guys seem to have a higher success rates than guys oozing of the M/W-complex.
Classifying girls depending on whether they’ve had ten or fifteen lifetime partners is just silly. Unless you’ve monitored the girl 24/7 since she first hit puberty, there’s no way of knowing her true number. So you’re trying to screen girls based on unverifiable numbers. And you’re doing this to avoid being cheated on?
That’s pretty beta.
Carla Bruni, an ingenue, a slut!!!
Once again, I find myself saying “yes” to many of these. Oh shit, there is no hope.
I believe it has to do with some sense of reciprocity. When she’s screwing around, she views the gifts as a form of compensation that morally justifies her behavior. One might also see it as a sort of hooker/pimp relationship. Pimps are essentially men who allow their “girls” to sleep with other men in return for financial compensation. Pimping is professional cuckoldry.
I love whores!
— non-judgemental guys seem to have a higher success rates than guys oozing of the M/W-complex.
Was this written by a girl? You’re not supposed to express judgmentalism to a girl you’re gaming. But you’re a fool to refrain from judging in your own mind.
— Classifying girls depending on whether they’ve had ten or fifteen lifetime partners is just silly.
It’s not silly when you are qualifying a girl for an LTR.
— Unless you’ve monitored the girl 24/7 since she first hit puberty, there’s no way of knowing her true number. So you’re trying to screen girls based on unverifiable numbers. And you’re doing this to avoid being cheated on?
YOu gotta play the odds.
— That’s pretty beta.
Non-judgmentalism is beta.
Without a doubt white and Asian girls with a history of dating black men are sluttier but I think the skankiest girls are the so called New Yoricans (New York Puerto Ricans). They are the hispanic equivalent of white trash and have a long track record of dating black guys too.
DF, Montreal girls take the cake when it comes man-meat absorption rates. Let us not forget their lineage….
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I agree with ironrails to some extent. I’m not experienced at all, and I’m reading the list going – oh my God, they all think I’m a slut! THAT’S why I’m not getting any dates. In fact, I’m just so fucking shy and naive that I don’t know what to talk about so I act like I’m experienced.
I have no game plan.
Brilliant post, and should serve as a wake-up call to lots of guys in big coastal cities… especially NYC, DC, etc.
* She’s black.
Sorry, folks, hate to say it, but going by my personal experience and what I’ve heard from friends, black chicks seem to sleep around more. Don’t blame me, I’m just the Deliverer Of Truths Best Left Unsaid But I’m Going To Say Anyhow.
I can only assume that roissy posts this crap because it gets a rise out of the readers. Personal experience and the experience of friends is a great measuring tool.
I can do this too. Going on my experience and the experience of my black friends, black men are have lower IQs and are simply not intelligent. So maybe Roissy should find a better source for his observations. I am sure that many of them are just not smart enough to do the sophisticated counting it would take to tell if black chicks are any more or less sluttier than white chicks. Sailer who roissy links to on his blog roll has the data to prove that on average black men are just not that smart. So I am just stating a fact. Then again, I am black so I may not be able to understand the full meaning of Sailer’s writing.
3 lifetime partners: Typical woman. Wife and mother of your children material.
One more thing helps: she loves you more than she had loved any of her previous boyfriends. A good sign: she’s the one who broke up with every one of them, vs. been dumped by one or more of her past boyfriends.
Anonymous
the ’she’s black’ one is absolutely absurd
I agree.
Sorry, folks, hate to say it, but going by my personal experience
You’ve been with only one black chic, there are 750 million of us, try again.
and what I’ve heard from friends,
Your “friends” are just repeating an age old sterotype. Your Black male “friends” will do anything to discourage you from sleeping with a black woman. They enjoy sleeping with “your” women but most are not open for you to enjoy “their” women. Futhermore, the three of the frequent black male commenters here often complain of the conservative nature of Black women when it comes to sex. Look at any of those “why I perfer white women lists written by Black men and one of the major things they complain about is…. Black women are too conservative when it comes to sex or Black women need to be more open when it comes to sex .
black chicks seem to sleep around more.
No we don’t use bith control as much as other groups.
Don’t blame me, I’m just the Deliverer Of Truths Best Left Unsaid But I’m Going To Say Anyhow
You posted the comment so own up to it.
smh
You can find lose women in any group.
RoissyShe tells you about all the places she’s traveled.
Yeah, chicks love to travel, but how many have put their dreams into action? If your date has been around the world twice with multiple stops in Rome, Rio, Vegas, LA, or some Appalachian backwater you can be sure she’s “traveled” straight into the crotch of an exotic local at every destination
Bull
I would call about 30-50 max on this. I’ve never laid down with any locals. That’s the last thing I need to do while traveling.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19374216/
In the bulleted section, it states that 13% of black women have had 15 or more partners compared to 9% for all women.
BUT…it’s difficult to call black women sluttier in this instance if you consider black men’s behavior. 46% of black men have had 15 or more partners compared to just 29% of all men. Black women are sluttier than the average woman (given your definition of slut) in absolute terms, but compared to their more common sex partners (black men) they don’t seem as slutty.
Also, check out the actual CDC study: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
Black women’s spread b/w median and mean is greater than that for other women. If this definition of slutiness is correct is of course now open for debate. Black women definitely lose their virginity at an earlier age and sleep with more partners. If that’s a definition of slut, then black women are sluttier. If the definition of a slut is the more appropriate “she’ll drop her panties at a drop of a hat” then I don’t necessarily think black girls are sluttier than others.
3 lifetime partners: Typical woman. Wife and mother of your children material.
I plan on being the wife no man.
Well unless he is super sweet like Chris or carrying like Whiskey.
Oops, didn’t realize Roissy already mentioned travel. Missed that the first time reading.
Heh. I know an Australian girl whose sampling during her three months in Europe includes (I think I got this right)
- American guy in Czech Republic
- A Croat guy in Czech Republic
- Two Polish guys in Poland
- A white South Africaner in Poland
- A Bosnian guy in Germany
- A Bulgarian guy in Germany
- A German guy in Germany
- An Austrian guy in Austria
In variety, that sure beats my flag collection; of course, I’m a dude
DF
Without a doubt white and Asian girls with a history of dating black men are sluttier but I think the skankiest girls are the so called New Yoricans (New York Puerto Ricans). They are the hispanic equivalent of white trash and have a long track record of dating black guys too.
SMH
How does dating a non Black man make any woman slutty? Nas has a song on his last album about this” Fear of the Black Penis”.
If you learned some tricks on how to please a woman, you wouldn’t have to be so fearful of a Black man stealing your woman.
Sluts gives gifts for the same reason they give pussy, for the same reason betas buy gifts: manipulation.
Many a PUA has noted that gift buying isn’t nice, it’s manipulative. The same is true of sluts and their gifts (pussy or otherwise).
Sluts do not believe in their ability to keep men in the normal/average way. So they use pussy. And they use gifts. They use whatever they can to cling on to the man who has their fleeting interest.
This is ironic, of course, since sluts are precisely the ones most likely to lose interest in the recipient of their gifts. They’re investing in something they won’t even want in a year. It’s sad, really.
She broaches the subject of sex first.
The more explicitly she talks about sex before you’ve banged her, the likelier she has a storied slutty past.
Bullshit. Some women do this for health reasons as well to find out if a guy is too freaky for them.
If a guy has too many partners or children with more than one woman, he is a health risk. Run while you can ladies.
She tells you about all the places she’s traveled.
An absolute tell.
Roissy: Are sluts bad?
Are they just the equivalent of PUAs?
You are so hot Clio…I just want to go down on you and pleasure you for hours on end…
“Having dated interracially and/or being outraged at the mildest disapproval of interracial dating is also a slut red flag. This is true of white women, anyway.”
If a woman doesn’t harbor racist sympathies, she is a slut.
Does having been in a sorority count as a tell? When I used to meet a white chick and I’d find out she used to be in a sorority, it would usually be a slam dunk, especially after drinking. Correlation seems too high to just be coincidence.
Most girls are natural PUA I think. Ask any girl if her grandma told her to never call boys, and to be coy =) Southern Girls appear to be particularly adroit at the coy part. So between the complimentary natural instinct and proper nurture environment, I think at a base level ladies are far more effective at the manipulation of the opposite sex. I think the best PUA equivalent girls are the ones that get free stuff (read jewelry, dinner, shoes) without actually giving anything exchange… Growing up, the ‘you got played sucka!’ chide was an adolescent way of warning your boys to watch out for user types and to reinforce don’t the don’t buy stuff argument. To all those well skilled PUA girls I must tip my hat and say well played… well played.
PA
Was this written by a girl?
No, it’s a recurrent theme among many of the top PUAs: having a strong m/w-complex tends to fuck up your game. Earlier this month I mentioned the book “Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man” in a comment to Roissy’s post “My Life Philosophy”. Here’s a few short excerpts from chapter 17, “Dealing with the Madonna/whore
Complex” (not perfectly OCRed):
She tells you about all the places she’s traveled
For the most part something that middle class, upper class and the spare SWPL crowd ingage in. There are plenty of poor women who don’t get to travel.
Unlike men, the average women does not travel to sleep around. YOu are sick Roissy and your hatred of women is especailly telling on this post. By your take, every woman is a tramp. Then again, I guess it takes one to know one.
She asks you how many women you’ve slept with or accuses you of being a player
No dude, women do this for health reasons.
She’s an artsy type
please stop
She has an impressive collection of vibrators and admits to wacking off to porn.
This happens because most men don’t have a clue. If more men knew what to do you wouln’t have so many women buying toys.
I got a feeling you don’t
SMH
*leaving in disgust*
Sara, I prodict this place turning into the heman woman hater club after this post.
Does having been in a sorority count as a tell?
i thought about including this as a slut flag, because i agree that there is a loose (heh) correlation, but you’d have to break it down by which sorority she was in. i don’t know the sorority letter hierarchy, but i do know some sororities were noted for their sluts while others (the geek house and fat farm) were not.
The face of the archetypal slut:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/29/the-biggest-political-sca_n_152745.html
Thinking back to Jessica Cutler and many more like her, I would add another embellishment to your list, roissy:
If a girl lives in a big city and has a blog where she writes about her social life, or about fashion, or both, then there is an 80-100% chance she is a slut.
Another obvious one:
If a girl has ANY tattoos ANYWHERE on her body, she is probably a slut, or an aspiring slut.
“I open the floor to a discussion of theories for this particular observation.”
really, no idea?
another type of shit testing?
betas return the favor
alphas “remind” (salience tagged word) her that he requires magnums; she should return and rebuy
chuck:
Black women’s spread b/w median and mean is greater than that for other women. If this definition of slutiness is correct is of course now open for debate. Black women definitely lose their virginity at an earlier age and sleep with more partners. If that’s a definition of slut, then black women are sluttier. If the definition of a slut is the more appropriate “she’ll drop her panties at a drop of a hat” then I don’t necessarily think black girls are sluttier than others.
chuck, you bring up a valid point regarding the definition of sluts. by most men’s reckoning, it means girls who have had more than the average number of partners, with the slut quotient rising for each additional partner over the average. the conventional wisdom also has it that girls who fall into bed at the drop of a hat are sluts, but that is a more constricted meaning which loses some of its predictive power upon closer inspection. while i believe there is a positive correlation between girls who have had a lot of partners and girls who fuck on the first date, i don’t think the correlation is as strong in the opposite direction when we factor in as a variable the level of expertise and alphaness of the man she is dating. that is, a girl who will fuck you on the first date because you blew her away with your game and impressive market value is not more likely to be a girl who has had a lot of partners.
nonetheless, # of partners and % chance of first date fuck are loosely correlated.
joe t:
If a girl lives in a big city and has a blog where she writes about her social life, or about fashion, or both, then there is an 80-100% chance she is a slut.
i would agree with this.
Joe T.
I was given two rules from the old school guys that gave me tips back in the day re: tattoos.
First, three or more tattoos means instant slut.
Second, lower back tattoo = guaranteed anal.
No, it’s a recurrent theme among many of the top PUAs: having a strong m/w-complex tends to fuck up your game.
The Madonna/Whore complex is a false dichotomy that PUAs don’t subscribe to.
However, PUAs and other smart guys recognize that there is a M-W continuum, and they judge the girls they meet accordingly along that spectrum, screening out the Whores from being LTR material.
TAKARR -
I would actually set the bar much lower on the tattoos, and say, if a girl has ANY tattoos WHATSOEVER on her body, she has a slut’s mindset and you’re gaming her at your own risk.
TATTOOS = SLUTTINESS, end of story.
M:
No, it’s a recurrent theme among many of the top PUAs: having a strong m/w-complex tends to fuck up your game.
this is silly. that “strong m/w complex” is hardwired into all men. it’s not a “frame” that we can turn on and off with the right inner game incantations. even a new age inner game chakra-loving hippie like stephane hemon who preached abandoning the m/w complex on the road to ego death never allowed men into his circle of women. really, that says it all.
but i do agree that this innate m/w complex has the potential to fuck up a PUA’s game IF he is interested in just fucking around with tons of fly by night chicks. luckily, it’s no big deal to turn off the jealousy alarms and slut warning systems when all the girls you are banging are flings and you aren’t investing much in them, but when it’s time to consider a girl for a long term relationship or possibly marriage in which the PUA will invest considerable time, attention, and money, it makes sense to screen for less slutty girls as they will be less likely to cheat.
the fact that girls need a man to completely embrace every slutty facet of their deepest fantasies in order to feel free to open up sexually to them says nothing about how a man should decide when the time comes to evaluate a girl for her LTR-worthiness. most men, even the best zen-like PUAs who claim to have tossed out such neanderthal notions as the m/w complex, aren’t keen on their serious girlfriends or wives taking another man’s cock up the ass because she has erotic female fantasies she’d like to fulfill.
Chuck:
One of the problems with studies like that has to do with the whole causation and correlation thing. For example, many of those tendencies you mention among black men and black women are common traits in lower class people of all colors and cultures. It’s just that the black population has a higher proportion of poor people than probably any other race in America. So of course you’re going to see higher numbers among black people because so much of the black population is poor and working class. But I find when you isolate just the middle class and higher “bougie” black women (think the Cosby Show type) who don’t date outside of their race at all, they are much more prudish and sexually uptight than their white female counterparts. It’s a big reason why so many upscale black guys date interracially, because the upscale black women are often less sexually adventurous.
To me a trait only really counts as a “black behavior” if its present in blacks at every social and class level.
Joe T.
The face of the archetypal slut:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/29/the-biggest-political-sca_n_152745.html
There is a difference. “Sluts” give it away for free, women like Dupree make you pay to play.
Personally, I’d be more put off by a girl who has had five sexual partners and had put out on the first night for four of them then I would by woman who’s has ten sexual partners but gone with four or five dates with each of them. I’d just think that the former would be more likely to cheat on me with the first alpha she bumps into.
And tattoos are a huge turn-off to me. They indicate a lack of discipline and an inability to think about long-term ramifications.
chiclet, being her usual lying nonsensical self:
I’ve never laid down with any locals. That’s the last thing I need to do while traveling.
another argument by anecdote. how very vaj of you. irrelevant. one chic does not make a noticeable trend.
You’ve been with only one black chic,
and your evidence for this is?
For the most part something that middle class, upper class and the spare SWPL crowd ingage in. There are plenty of poor women who don’t get to travel.
irrelevant. if the poor women had money they’d travel as well and have flings with exotic locals. it’s such a load of BS when girls claim they travel for the cultural enrichment when the truth is they want their pussies enriched with the seed of a “doesn’t count” foreigner.
(business travel excepted.)
Unlike men, the average women does not travel to sleep around. YOu are sick Roissy and your hatred of women is especailly telling on this post.
sounds like i hit a nerve.
so tell me chic, just how much cock have you gobbled?
do you have a sister? mother? how many loads did they take?
ps what’s telling is my contempt for you, for which your gender has no bearing. your dumbass words and lies alone suffice to mark you as one of my designated targets.
By your take, every woman is a tramp.
point out word for word where i wrote that.
you dumb lying sack of cunty shit.
i’ll be waiting…
Then again, I guess it takes one to know one.
don’t you know it’s different for men, little chiclet?
No dude, women do this for health reasons.
more stupidity from you. health reasons are the last thing on a woman’s mind when she is enjoying the attention of a man who is gaming her.
really, it wouldn’t surprise me if you had aspergers like the rest of your family. it would explain a lot.
please stop
make me.
She has an impressive collection of vibrators and admits to wacking off to porn.
This happens because most men don’t have a clue. If more men knew what to do you wouln’t have so many women buying toys.
women with high sex drives (i.e. high T) are more likely than lower T women to bring themselves to orgasm with a variety of means, including both superb alpha lovers like yours truly and techno wonders on the downtime when said lover is not around to do the job.
I got a feeling you don’t
does it make you feel better to believe that?
SMH
*leaving in disgust*
don’t let the door hit you in your aspergery ass on the way out.
Consider a young Mexican girl,somewhat dark-skinned and with a good deal of Indian blood. Wears some jewelry at work and DOES tend to try and show her boobs–which are excellent,btw.(Her features seem to indicate a bit of black blood in there somewhere too,possibly.) Her personality: fantastic. she is high energy,charismatic,likeable and always laughing and happy. Works long hours w/o complaint. Smiling,sexy,enthusiastic and cute;very pretty,but not among the “elite”. She is smart but maybe not quite as smart as she thinks;she once said “ringed” instead of rang. Soooo cute and yes I am falling in love w/her. Is she a slut? I hope so–to hit that would be sooooo sweet! I am older and def not LTBF material. I can only pray to the Virgin(!) that she is a young upcoming adventurer slut!
Re Roissy vs Chicnoir: You (Roissy) are obviously aware that a black female–if she dates black males exclusively–lives in a far different world than the average white female. AIDS is extremely high among Blacks,and the black female is at an 80x higher risk–if I recall correctly offhand–than a same age white girl. White guys dont go on the downlow,and the ones who use drugs are usually readily identifiable. So the comment about health is prob not bullshit–’cept when it is. (I thought you and chic were pals??) As for travel,a slutty single mom(American born latina) went on a vacation recently. She works as a bartender(slut!) and when I asked her if she had a good time on her vacation,she smiled slyly and looked at her dopey white girlfriend sitting there,who also smiled,and said “Yes, I had a good time.” The dopey friend giggled. Slut!
White guys dont go on the downlow,
I had to look “downlow” up in the Urban Dictionary, which turned up this:
Does this really happen?
It sounds like we’re not talking about gays, or even closeted gays, but regular guys who do homosexual sex with each other. WTF?
That is utterly ridiculous. Tons of white guys are on the down low. Go on Craigslist casual encounters and you will find tons of ads from white married men looking for down low one night stands. And what about all those white politicians that get busted with gay lovers? Or Rock Hudson?
The black male down low thing is a myth created by Oprah and the liberal media to create sympathy for black women and explain why they are chronically single.
PA – the “down low” syndrome basically means men who act straight in public and have relationships with women, but are secretly gay behind closed doors. Think the characters on Brokeback Mountain.
Roissy it’s such a load of BS when girls claim they travel for the cultural enrichment when the truth is they want their pussies enriched with the seed of a “doesn’t count” foreigner
You are 100% nutty if you think that’s the reason why most women travel.
[roissy:] read what i wrote, aspergergirl. paraphrasing, i said that girls who travel A LOT more than the average girl are likely to have slept with a number of exotic locals, thus upping their slut score.
[snip of more irrelevant chiclet BS]
answer my question, chic. here it is again (i’m not letting you off the hook on this one, lying bitch):
Your contempt for chiclet is really profound Roissy.
true!
@T and PA- the DL also includes Black men who are bisexual.
Gotcha. So the lowdown in the black community is really just closeted gays, occurring at rates presumably similar to closeted gay rates among other races?
The way the Urban Dictionatry described it, it sounded like homo sex is something hetero black guys do, which sounded odd to me.
josh randell-White guys dont go on the downlow
There are closeted and bisexual white men who are married to white women.
josh:
Re Roissy vs Chicnoir: You (Roissy) are obviously aware that a black female–if she dates black males exclusively–lives in a far different world than the average white female.
if this is true, then chiclet should qualify her statement with this pertinent information. but she didn’t. which doesn’t surprise me, since it would mean admitting certain discomfiting facts that afflict blacks more than other races. and chic is, if nothing else, a mushheaded equalist wedded to her grade school ideology.
(I thought you and chic were pals??)
when her lies, stupidity and sophistry began to mount i put her on my shit list. she can crawl back into my good graces by simply not lying. i predict she will not do this because it would require her to man up and admit she was wrong. in fact, i hope she doesn’t stop lying about what i write, because i enjoy making an example of her.
chicnoir -
I didn’t say that Dupree was fit the common definition of “slut” or that she didn’t charge for for her dubious “action”.
I said she had the FACE of an archetypal slut. The look, the expression on her face, the eyes, the hand gesture — all very slutty.
PA It sounds like we’re not talking about gays, or even closeted gays, but regular guys who do homosexual sex with each other. WTF?
chic: Yes some “learn” or developed this appetite while in prison. Some learn from just playing around when they are young, and others are clearly gay or bi sexual.
[roissy:] you are so off the mark on this subject you write as if you are utterly ignorant of the science of homosexuality that has gone on for the past twenty years.
A guys here have admitted to dabbling a bit with the same sex*. I really think it’s more common behavior among men than women to experiment with the same sex (as a teen).
you think wrong. more straight women than men have experimented with same sex. female sexuality is more fluid. men are either gay or straight.
However, there is little social acceptance for it amongst men or women so most men keep shut about it.
complete bullshit from you, yet again. homosexuality has never been more accepted by the prevailing culture than it is right now. your “social acceptance” theory is a thin reed.
Some otherwise str8 men will accept a bj from a another guy or tranny.
numbers chic. otherwise you are just blowing smoke out your ass.
oh, here’s my little question one more time. don’t think you can slink away, lying bitch:
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
i’ll be waiting for your response. if you don’t answer, i will change your handle on all future comments from you from “chic” to “lying bitch”.
good luck!
There are closeted and bisexual white men who are married to white women.
this is less likely to be the case today, simply because there are fewer closeted gay men.
one of the upsides of gay liberation.
PA
It’s not silly when you are qualifying a girl for an LTR.
So how do you figure out if a girl has fucked ten, fifteen or twenty-five guys? I recently fucked a girl in my apartment. I don’t kiss and tell so no one in my social circle knows that we fucked. She might or might not have told her friends. If she didn’t, there’s no way for anyone else to know that her partner count rose with one. If you ask her about how many guys she’s been with, she’ll just tell you want you want to hear.
roissy
that “strong m/w complex” is hardwired into all men.
The same thing can be said about jealousy and all other feelings. But wouldn’t you say that your beliefs, your level of self-confidence/self-esteem and your current state of mind all play a part in what stimuli is required to trigger the feeling of jealousy in you? Some guys can’t handle seeing their girlfriends talking with other guys, others think that it’s completely normal and even encourage it because it gives them the opportunity to flirt with other girls.
The tendency to avoid long-term commitments with slutty women is hardwired, but what constitutes a slut isn’t.
Roissythis is less likely to be the case today, simply because there are fewer closeted gay men.
one of the upsides of gay liberation
chic: Not every gay person is happy being gay.
[roissy:] irrelevant. you’re bad at this, chiclet! you said gays were in the closet because of social shame. i corrected your dumbassery by reminding you that society accepts gays now at a rate it hasn’t before. if anything, gays are happier today because of this societal acceptance.
Many fear being shut out of jobs or having family disown them. Some gay people will fight their urges all of their lives.
“many gays”. “some gay people”. chic, you’re flailing. gays have never been more out or more accepted than they are now. you lose. how about you show some manliness and admit when someone else has a point.
There is Black liberation and now a Black president yet there are still many Black people like DA.
“many” blacks like DA? no, there are not.
The number given is ten percent of people in a given society are gay but one can never know since being gay is not (*always*) objective but subjective.
actually, we can know. and the numbers are clear. gay men are ~2-4% of the male population. lesbians are ~1-2% of the female population. and being gay means wanting to stick your dick in another man’s orifice. nothing subjective about it.
Btw, don’t forget bi males. They can open the door for male –female HIV.
bisexuality is extremely rare among men. male sexuality is a light switch; either straight or gay
ps here’s that question one more time!
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
best!
Sluttiness probably increased up through 1990, but has been declining since then, at least among young people:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/06/your-generation-was-sluttier.php
If you’re in a night club, the girls who are naturally great at dancing are pretty slutty. It could be either type of dancing — the lose-control, sensual kind of dancing, or the gymnastic kind like breakdancing. Yeah, especially breakdancing.
Nothing constructive to add, other than this was quite well written and caused me to LMAO. Good show.
Ashlee Dupree in a recent interview used the whore’s last line of defense: moral equivalence.
“I really didn’t see the difference between going on a date with someone in New York, taking you to dinner and expecting something in return. I really thought it was more of a trade-off. He’s expecting something in return when you date, whereas, you know, being an escort, it was a formal transaction.”
“I’ll take ‘Things a whore would say’ for $800, Alex” – Sherrod Smalls on “RedEye” (A very funny show if you’ve never seen it)
I said she had the FACE of an archetypal slut. The look, the expression on her face, the eyes, the hand gesture — all very slutty
Joe T- I apologize. I got you now.
She doesn’t look the least bit sorry for what she did. Her crocodile tears with Diane Sawyer were a hoot.
PA -
It basically boils down to this. Black women tend to have lots of problems getting married and finding partners, especially black men. And they have rising AIDS rates going through the roof. So they created various narratives to scapegoat other people. For a while it was women of other races “stealing” black men away. Then it became the media not celebrating black beauty enough. Then some smart gay black men realized that black women will basically buy up anything that absolves them of blame for their dating mishaps, and these gay black men made a financial killing selling books about “The Down Low Epidemic” that created this myth of black men who are secretly bisexual at a rate higher than other races. Zero hard data to support this, but Oprah and the liberal media and some conservative groups went off and running on it because it was sympathetic to black women.
You can google “Down Low Myth” and see various debunkings of it. But here are some good links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZwEJajE12Q&feature=channel_page#
http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-08-03/news/sex-lies-death/1
These are two links about the various issues the media lies about in trying to be sympathetic to black women:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKpQP0JrGwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaNTZlCxHvU&NR=1
That user has a bunch of other Youtube videos debunking myths and sob stories about black women in the media. He’s basically a black version of the men’s rights movement people.
There are no bisexual males — they’re either gay, straight or lying.
You can hook their junk up to this device that measures how erect it is. Show them straight porn or gay porn. So-called bisexual males respond either to straight porn or to gay porn — not both. IIRC, 3/4 of “bi” men are gay, and 1/4 are straight.
Researcher’s name is Bailey, at Northwestern.
If a guy lusts after a slut, or wishes a certain woman would be a slut so he can get some pussy (a la David Alexander and josh randall in his post above about the mexican, assuming he is serious), then he is truly desperate. He needs to reexamine his basic motivations and situation in life, and reassess his whole fucking paradigm.
Rouseri said that girls who travel A LOT more than the average girl are likely to have slept with a number of exotic locals, thus upping their slut score
rouser?
The average American girl does not leave her state. So traveling to one exotic local will make her a slut in your book.
you are lying about what i wrote again. either that, or you are so incredibly aspergery stupid that your reading comprehension is in the toilet. one more time: the traveling habits of the average american girl is irrelevant to the point about chicks who slut it up with foreigners, since we are talking about chicks who already travel a lot for pleasure. from among that subset, the likelihood that a girl has banged a ton of eurotrash increases with the frequency of trips taken abroad for “pleasure”.
By your take, every woman is a tramp.
point out word for word where i wrote that.
Reading between the lines Rouser. It’s something we women are very good at doing.
[roissy:] so in other words you have no evidence that i ever wrote or think such a thing. therefore, you are an admitted liar. thanks for clearing that up, lying bitch.
*The average American girl does not leave the country*
<a http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2002/aug/24/guardiansaturdaytravelsection5
As we all know, I don’t often do links to studies so don’t become accustomed to this.
[roissy:] totally and completely irrelevant to the contention that those women who *do* travel a lot are more likely than infrequent female travelers to fuck a foreigner. behold aspergers!
I agree with Lying Bitch re: Roissy’s comment on travel as an indicator of sluttiness. .
He’s projecting. His belief reveals a profound lack of trust of women, more than any other comment I’ve read here. I suspect this also results from very little travel experience himself, and his lower socioeconomic values.
there are enough false premises in here to build a monument to your lesbian love for lying bitch. birds of a feather…
WOW! this is a contorted belief beyond the pale.
it’s not complicated, anony. the more frequently a chick travels for pleasure, the greater the number of foreign cock she will have accumulated on her adventures. and most men agree with me. chicks who do a lot of traveling during their single years have probably been fucking around with the “tour guides”.
Agnostic- Keep fooling yourself. If a guy can sleep with me on Monday and you on Tuesday and enjoy both of us, he is bi. That study can go str8 to hell (no offense). There are 3 billion men on this planet. I’m sure there are many who were not tested.
I’ve got a theory why so many men don’t want to admit that bi men exist but …..
[roissy:] jesus fucking christ, chic, the science absolutely proves you wrong and yet you continue yammering on as if no one will notice your dumbfuckery.
hey, it’s question time again!
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
still waiting…
scratch that, you answered my question above. finally! like pulling teeth with you lying tards.
anony, you are a voice of reason.
any port in a storm…
I’ve come across a wide variety of women (race, religion, etc..) while traveling and their main reason for traveling was not to collect flags. Most of the women I came across were very curious, outgoing (much more than me), courageous, and very friendly.
more insipid chicassery. girls who travel a lot *obviously* will not admit to collecting flags, you dum dum. but the odss that they will get pounded by a foreigner go up the more traveling they do. it’s an irresistible pull left unspoken. naturally, men do this too, but a man’s slut score doesn’t harm his LTR prospects in the market. in fact, it helps.
I’ve been called more than a lying B Roissy. Grow up.
answer the question, liar.
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
lying bitch suits you for now. i’ve got more killer insults in the pipeline waiting for you. remember, all you have to do to stop the pain is answer my question.
So how do you figure out if a girl has fucked ten, fifteen or twenty-five guys?
The whole point of this blog entry is about recognizing the signs of sluthood.
chic,
Agree.
I’ve got to disagree with you on the Northwestern study, however. If you have reason to doubt the sample population, please explain. I found it interesting, read the results, and found my gay friends fully believing the findings. There are no bi- men.
Roissy, you are behaving like such a beta. So what I don’t agree with you, get over it.
when you lie about me i will call you out on it. when your disagreement is proven wrong, i will call you out on it. when you obstinately refuse to own up to being wrong, or to lying about me, i will call you out on it. and then i will rub your cunty face in it until you either acknowledge the error of your ways or slink off into the ether like nicole, beaten and humiliated. your call, aspergergirl.
I have yet to see you blow out such vitriolic speech when the guys(Shouting Thomas, PatrickK, MQ etc…) here set wind in your tails.
you would be wrong, lying bitch. try reading some of my comments that aren’t directed at you, self-absorbed aspergergirl. MQ in particular has taken quite a hot steaming load of my cruelty here on this blog.
you should also keep in mind that i reserve my most vicious assaults for lying cunts and evasive shits like yourself and nicole. cool chicks that don’t perpetually lie about me, like clio, don’t get both barrels when they attempt to go toe to toe with the demon blogger of mean street.
ps
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
tapping foot…
On second thought
Why bother.
I no longer argue with my brothers like this.
I bow out gracefully Roissy you win.
[roissy:] this is the most truthful thing you’ve said on here.
ps: spanked!
-Andrew Dice Clay
I just have one question for you Roissy, having read your list. That question is:
IS YOUR MOM A SLUT?
let me tell you about my mom… BLAM!
Chic –
There is enough data to support the “travel for sex” bit with both men and women. Thailand is a notorious caterer to male appetites, many unhealthy (IMHO) and also, less well known, female sex tourism. The behavior of White American/European women in NGOs or and the UN with locals (sexually) that scandalize the conservative natives is a sore point, The book about the UN’s failure by three former staffers broke down by gender, the two men wrote about the corruption, enabling of tyrant regimes, and sex abuse of locals by peacekeepers, the woman wrote about her public sex encounters with locals.
Moreover, wrt women, across racial lines, let’s get real. Women and desirable women are in short supply. They are a resource men fight over, and in this world of relative plenty they fight over them FIRST. We have not changed that much from the Iliad, a fight over a woman.
Asian guys complain about White, Hispanic, and Black guys pricing them out of the relationship market, particularly with Asian women, by being seen or perceived by women as more “masculine,” something as I’ve said before affected EVEN Bruce Lee. Lee a man of many fights, real ones.
White guys complain about Black guys also pricing them out, by being PERCEIVED by women as more masculine. Meanwhile Black male bloggers complain about Black women’s demand for “thuggishness” ala Lauren London. They write that White or Hispanic women in professional settings just assume they are edgy and “hard” and that is defined by giving the Waiter a withering look, if he spills something, while Black women they date expect real thuggish behavior (i.e. beating someone up).
Given supply/demand issues, the ideal situation would be for Black women to date “nerdy” Asian and White men, who would lack on average the urge to screw around or other things Black women complain about Black men. But they do not, even though the advantages for them are indeed obvious.
Leading me to suspect that in the widespread perceptions at least, there is something to the complaint of Asian men, of White men, and of Black Men regarding women of various races (and vice versa too).
At any rate, given supply constraints of women, if men of another race are seen to “suck up the supply” of available and desireable women without a willingness of available and desireable women of that race to “replace” the supply there will be overall conflict.
Because Men fight over Women.
A follow up on this:
Screening for LTR material, yes guys can find out what a woman’s past history is through indicators.
Female narcissism tends to express itself on Facebook and Myspace and blogs. If there is a Facebook or Myspace profile for the girl that is PRIVATE that is a dead giveawy. Also postings on blogs about endless minutae of her life.
Her friends are also a give-away. If they tend to be heavy drinking, frequent partner hopping girls, it’s probably a good bet she is too. If they are relatively straight-up, straightforward professionals with LTR, it’s likely she’s the same way.
If the girl does not drink at all, that’s an indicator of past problems with booze, Which correlates often with lots of partners.
If you can observer her before you arrive at a date, or absent yourself briefly and see her unobserved, and find she’s immediately flirting with guys, that’s a good indication. So too lots of voice mail messages on her mailbox, various guys all around all the time.
@whiskey,
In all respect, one published self-narrative in one country does not extrapolate to “support the travel for sex” thesis.
Believing that is a stunning lack of respect and trust in women.
Chic:
I’ve come across a wide variety of women (race, religion, etc..) while traveling and their main reason for traveling was not to collect flags. Most of the women I came across were very curious, outgoing (much more than me), courageous, and very friendly.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34198
Here is a second question:
Looking at your father, and your mother…. Will you say, honestly, that your father is an ALPHA? That he is a true example of MANHOOD?
Being raised by weak men is probably responsible for the problems of the males on this blog…..
Your fathers are failures.
(seriously take a look at him…he is not a man…and you know it.)
paging MQ…
@whiskey- Yes, I’ve read about French women in Haiti, German & British women in Kenya, and American women in Bali. Overall Whiskey, most women don’t travel for sex. Most of don’t care for it as much as most men do. It’s the reason why the average str8 men have such a difficult time getting laid versus the average gay man. Have a look at the personal ads of gay men versus lesbians to get a peak at what I’m looking at. The ads for male4male are much higher in explicit sexual content
Moreover, wrt women, across racial lines, let’s get real. Women and desirable women are in short supply. They are a resource men fight over, and in this world of relative plenty they fight over them FIRST. We have not changed that much from the Iliad, a fight over a woman.
I cosign this Whiskey.
by being seen or perceived by women as more “masculine,”
For some reason I’m not coded to see Asian men that way. I see them as masculine as any other group of men. From my eyes, they are less argumentative than other groups. Besides, in the hood, Asian men don’t do all of that “shucking and jiving” like some do when around whites. I’ve never heard a Black girl describe an Asian man as not masculine to be honest. The only turnoff that I hear is the height thing and small peen stuff.
Given supply/demand issues, the ideal situation would be for Black women to date “nerdy” Asian and White men, who would lack on average the urge to screw around or other things Black women complain about Black men.
No, a lot of us feel it’s our duty to support Black men no matter what. If you try to talk down about Black men, “your” Black girlfriend will shut you down. I don’t think Black men as a group look out for us as much.
But they do not, even though the advantages for them are indeed obvious
while Black women they date expect real thuggish behavior (i.e. beating someone up)
We call this^^^ “acting ghetto”. It’s a term used to describe lower class behavior.
Don’t believe the hype. Lauren London may just say what she thinks her audience wants to here. I wonder if her father(he is white) is/was a thug?
The advantages are very obvious Whiskey. I agree with you again.
At any rate, given supply constraints of women, if men of another race are seen to “suck up the supply” of available and desireable women without a willingness of available and desireable women of that race to “replace” the supply there will be overall conflict.
Because Men fight over Women
l cosign
To a lesser degree, women will fight over men.
roissyps: spanked!
You’ve been wanting to do that since day one green pants.
not quite. but i am glad to see you admitted you’re a liar in reply to my little question above.
@whiskey LOLs at the Facebook/Myspace Private thing.
This is sort of why certain people got super pissed about the ‘auto-newsfeed’ feature that Facebook had at some point. No more stealth mode.
Female narcissism tends to express itself on Facebook and Myspace and blogs. If there is a Facebook or Myspace profile for the girl that is PRIVATE that is a dead giveawy. Also postings on blogs about endless minutae of her life
I agree with the Myspace sex life info is trashy. However, some preety and decent looking women make their profiles private bacuase they have had their photos stolen(I have) because someone wants to make pretend.
Bisexual? Let’s clear this up now. No such thing! You either suck dick or you do not suck dick. There is no in-between. What, do these guys get up in the morning and flip a coin? Tails; hair pie, heads; balls across the nose, Aww!!
NO
some men do both darling!
your aspergers is acting up. you should, like, do something about that.
ps the joke, since you seem unable to get it, is that the idea of men who do both is inherently ridiculous, which you would understand if you were a man with a man’s sex drive.
pps there are vanishingly few male bisexuals. the studies prove you wrong.
ROISSY SAID:
let me tell you about my mom… BLAM!
I rejoined….
That “BLAM”…is the slapping sound of my strap-on slicing your anal orifice, bitch…..
it’s always about the anus with you fag hags.
*kisses*
get away from me you lazy-eyed psycho
not quite. but i am glad to see you admitted you’re a liar in reply to my little question above
Not really.
[roissy:] yes really. here’s what you wrote:
translation: reading between the lines means you have no evidence that what you claimed about me is true. therefore, you have admitted you are a lying bitch.
I just don’t care to fight with you. I’m a woman.
do you think being a woman gives you a plenary indulgence from answering for your lies?
It’s not the end of the world if I’m wrong or don’t win an argument.
it is the beginning of your pain if you don’t own up to your lies. so far, i have you on record as owning up to one of them. do you think your future credibility on matters of opinion will carry more, or less, weight now that the studio audience is aware of your penchant for lying?
Note how often I apologize to the men and women here when I’m wrong.
funny. you apologize for inconsequential shit that doesn’t shake your identity and reputation to the core. you have never admitted you were wrong when i called you out on it. and do you want to know why? because i dig deeper. i get to the bottom of your very soul and corner you on those heavy metal lies that would crush your ego if you were forced to admit to them under withering cross examination.
which i have done to you.
and you cratered right on cue.
liar.
If you ask her about how many guys she’s been with, she’ll just tell you want you want to hear.
I suspect that the skankier the woman, the better the liar she is.
Peter
TThe black male down low thing is a myth created by Oprah and the liberal media to create sympathy for black women and explain why they are chronically single.
J. L. King wrote the book and Oprah had him on. Oprah opened up the DL brother phenomenon to a larger audience. Any woman who is friends with a gay guy, drag queen or tranny was well aware of “str8″ read bi men getting “favors”.
Filling in the blanks for Chic:
“I’ve come across a wide variety of women (race, religion, etc..) while traveling and their main reason for traveling was not to collect flags. Most of the women I came across were very curious [about new cock], outgoing [toward new cock], courageous [about sampling new cock], and very friendly [toward new cock].
Can you honestly turn this down?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Hc_lh6zVlig/ST3cenHCGDI/AAAAAAAAAAM/DePGx2WmcOw/s1600-h/woman-that-irons-and-strips.jpg
It’s not that there are no closeted gay men in the black community, it’s the “epidemic” part that’s the myth. A gay guy just gave some anecdotes knowing that black women would eat it up because it gave them an excuse for their relationship failings. You don’t get on Oprah and sell tons of books to gullible women by writing a book telling the truth about why black women are having trouble finding love, you get there by pandering to their lack of accountability and by scapegoating others.
There is zero hard data out there to demonstrate that black men are on the down low more than other races. The down low myth was created as an excuse for the true epidemic out there, the single black woman epidemic.
Hey Roissy, here’s a tasty GNP from the rear!
Peter
However, there is less social acceptance for it amongst men versus women so most men keep shut about it.
complete bullshit from you, yet again. homosexuality has never been more accepted by the prevailing culture than it is right now. your “social acceptance” theory is a thin reed
How many black lesbians do you openly out in DC, even doing PDA. Now how often do you see this behavior among black men???
what the fuck does this have to do with my point that homos are more socially accepted today than at any time in recent memory?
nevermind, it’s just chic being chic again. you don’t argue a point so much as distract everyone with BS irrelevancies that have nothing to do with anything.
Some otherwise str8 men will accept a bj from a another guy or tranny.
define “some”.
ps the science still proves you wrong. waiting to see if you acknowledge that or if you’ll go on being a tard lying bitch.
numbers chic. otherwise you are just blowing smoke out your ass.
*sigh*
now you know that most men won’t admit this openly. Even on paper to an anonymous source. This obsession with studies is truly baffling. Studies to see how Zantac affects pregnant mice and how that might correlate with pregnant women-yes.
It’s much more difficult to study human behavior unless a social scientist is a fly on the walk 24/7 365 of a human beings life.
smh
Most of those crack pot studies are proven wrong a few years later anyway. One week grape juice prevents cancer, two weeks later, it causes cancer.
by your standards, i suppose we can then chalk up everything you say as crackpot horseshit. actually, by anyone’s standards we can do that!
*throws in gloves*
feeling the heat, chiclet?
TIt’s not that there are no closeted gay men in the black community, it’s the “epidemic” part that’s the myth.
But there are a lot of brothers doing it while in prison.
A gay guy just gave some anecdotes knowing that black women would eat it up because it gave them an excuse for their relationship failings
and to make a ton of money.
you get there by pandering to their lack of accountability and by scapegoating others partially true. She has had shows on physically abusive women and women who hate being mothers etc… I don’t think Oprah preaches scapgoating. Ex. if a woman/man was molested a as kid, I think it’s important for him/her to deal with that and how it might affect his or her relationships to the opposite sex and their sexuality. She has had a lot of shows on debt and she not once tried to place the blame on other people.
There is zero hard data out there to demonstrate that black men are on the down low more than other races
I agree T. Most of those men have women as well as men on speed dial.
lower back tattoo = guaranteed anal
Roissy should like that, we know he’s a fan of anal.
Peter
Speaking of sluts, Bristol Palin just named her newborn son TRIPP.
As in trippin’ on hillbilly heroin, no doubt.
ROISSY SAID:
“it’s always about the anus with you fag hags.”
I reply:
Playing coy does not convince anybody against just how much you love my anal drills…..(You want me to show people your leather pictures?)
ROISSY SAID: get away from me you lazy-eyed psycho
I reply:Is this the way your mother talks to your father? Hmmm…that explains things.
ps the joke, since you seem unable to get it, is that the idea of men who do both is inherently ridiculous, which you would understand if you were a man with a man’s sex drive
No I got it but you are in denial.
i deny that you do not pound your forehead with your hands when you miss judge wapner.
Plenty of men get favors from gay men, those men are bi!
define “plenty” without resorting to your discredited opinion.
ps the science *still* proves you wrong. some things never change!
*taking a much needed break from getting my lying ass handed to me for a few days*
probably for the best.
Roissy should like that, we know he’s a fan of anal.
as long as the glorious hole of sin is attached to a hot young babe with a slender body.
you know, *not* like the old flabby hags you post all the time in the comments.
I don’t think I was attempting to argue that point honie bunch.
i’m not your honie. but i am your everlasting pain bitch.
define “some”.
ps the science still proves you wrong. waiting to see if you acknowledge that or if you’ll go on being a tard lying bitch.
Scince can’t prove this one wrong. Notice how few men are standing behind you on this point.
typical female ploy when cornered with her lies and shamed into admitting them: attempt to rally tribal allies to her cause to ostracize the mean old baddie giving her the hurt.
transparent move, cunt.
Keep on telling us hints about the real Roissy.
sure thing, bitch. i despise liars. you lie. ergo, i smash your soul with my hammer of righteous retribution. i enjoy it because hurting people on my shit list is fun for me. the end.
feeling the heat, chiclet?
Not really but I dare say you are playing on the spectrum too. At least your ability to lay people out shows you are in touch with your feminine side(a good thing).
good to see you’re back in fine form making the usual amount of zero sense. if someone drops a box of toothpicks on the floor can you count them up in a few seconds?
Anony –
The point of the book (my assumption was you’d heard about it) was the woman reporting that not only herself but every other White European/American girl was doing the same thing, and the scandalous behavior by local standards created a lot of trouble for the UN and the NGOs. My bad, I should have made that clear.
Moreover, you missed the point about FEMALE sex tourism in Thailand. I don’t like guys going there for that, it’s exploitative, and women are now behaving as badly as men. Goint to Thailand for sex with young Thai guys. Sex tourism in East Africa for women is a problem as well, no gender has a monopoly on virtue or lack of it.
Believing that women in an era of “empowerment” are just as capable of sex tourism as men, given the evidence is hardly “stunning lack of respect” for women. It’s mere common sense. Absent strong moral institutions, women behave just as badly as men. In different ways, but just as badly.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism
Dagny — your assumption is that male-female relations are stable, and ignores the fact that average men were able to get married and have kids while now they are not. That fact alone ought to scream something. No one talked about “Alpha” thirty years ago.
Chic — YOU may not see Asian men that way, but they complain (it was a huge issue on the SWPL entry on “Asian Women”) that most do not. Moreover, if racial solidarity trumps everything and Black women won’t date/mate with White and Asian men then yes, White and Asian men will be in conflict with Black men over the limited supply of White and Asian women.
Oprah panders to women’s emotionalism, desire to have explanations for failures romantically, and the avoidance of hard truths. Such as the fact that women have limited timeframes for attractiveness, children, etc.
Roissy should like that, we know he’s a fan of anal.
as long as the glorious hole of sin is attached to a hot young babe with a slender body
As I’ve noted before, it’s my suspicion that many men who enjoy doing anal on women (not all, mind you, but many) secretly fantasize about being on the other side of the equation, as it were.
Peter
does your suspicion have any evidence at all backing it?
*not* like the old flabby hags you post all the time in the comments
Here’s a slender hot young one for you. A bit of GNP, too.
Peter
WhiskeyYOU may not see Asian men that way, but they complain (it was a huge issue on the SWPL entry on “Asian Women”) that most do not
I know. Some Asian male commenters have said the same thing on this very blog.
Moreover, if racial solidarity trumps everything and Black women won’t date/mate with White and Asian men then yes
They see the black male down and want to help him,remember Black men are our brothers and farthers.
Don’t worry some black women are waking up. Fish with a net and you will catch more fish.
I’ve mentioned in the past:
Don’t forget we are socailised to not date out as well as reminded that white men only like us for sex(re Roissy).
please present evidence from my blog where i have written that black girls are only good for sex, lying fuck. (good to see you are continuing in your lying ways.)
ps here’s a link to start you on your way:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/interracial-loving/
Angriest Black Man
Thank you. Men like you give me hope.
Chivalry is not dead
i don’t attack you for being a “black queen”, chic. i attack you for being a lying, stupid bitch. your race is irrelevant to my assessment of you. now if you want to earn my good will you have to do a few things. one, admit your lies. two, stop lying. three, beg forgiveness. after all that, i might just give you back your normal handle.
oh, and for extra credit you can stop ignoring valid arguments with evasive sophistry. that may be asking too much.
note to angry black doofus:
respect must be earned. it isn’t an entitlement handed out to “black queens” for being black and queeny.
and chic lost her chance at my respect when she lied about me. repeatedly.
hope this helps.
i don’t attack you for being a “black queen”, chic
The way you attack any and every female commenter here who does not agree with you leaves something to be desired.
translation: the way i attack you leaves you begging to portray me as someone who attacks all women.
What you’ve said to MQ is nothing to what you’ve written about me here.
MQ would disagree if he weren’t hurt so badly by me. you should check the archives.
ps: chic != all women. hope this hurts.
P.S. Why did you delete his comment. Don’t start moderating now.
i’ll do whatever the fuck i feel like doing. like randomly deleting your dumbass comments that have nothing useful to say.
chic lost her chance at my respect when she lied about me. repeatedly
I didn’t one single lie about you so please stop.
wow, a meta lie. you’re on a roll, bitch.
here’s a reminder of your lie:
you said: By your take, every woman is a tramp.
i asked: point out word for word where i wrote that.
you replied: Reading between the lines Rouser. It’s something we women are very good at doing.
i correctly noted that “reading between the lines” does not constitute evidence that i ever wrote what you claimed i wrote above. therefore, your original claim about me was a LIE. a big fat phony fuck LIE.
now naturally you don’t like it when i point out your lies, because it would mean admitting a lot of what you believe about me, and about what i write, is wrong, and you can’t have that. your ego can only take so much. so i knew going into our little back and forth that you would react like a evasive little shit until i had you absolutely cornered with nowhere to go. and now with the smoke and flames behind you, you think you can revise history and slip one past the blog readership by lying YET AGAIN about lying in the first place.
too bad i have your lies in writing.
i’m not letting you off the hook, chic.
you want to earn my good graces again, you know what to do.
i predict you won’t do it.
and so the pain will continue.
three, beg forgiveness
never
then i will continue reminding everyone here what a liar you are.
I think we need a LOL break….
HOW TO DATE A WHITE WOMAN: A PRACTICAL GUIDE FOR ASIAN MEN….
http://www.amazon.com/How-Date-White-Woman-Practical/dp/0919637264
My friend found this book on amazon a few years ago… I couldn’t believe it was real but apparently it is…. LOL
“http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/the-biggest-misogynists-are-other-women/”
“Sluts are traitors to the sisterhood, undermining the prime directive and making it more difficult for the commitment whores to get what they want.”
You pretty much just called both sides of the spectrum tramps there.
Because if they don’t want sex then they want commitment and both deserve to be black listed. You continually insult women and the roles they play, through your words. That does seem misogynistic. You are critical of them in ways where there is no solution, your rational for that is “it’s natural.” Yet you try to find any truth, you don’t perform studies or care to tell the difference between cause and relation. Yet they are two different things. Also you don’t seem to care for anyone other than yourself. Even after having sex, which is an emotional thing to the hugest part of the population. In fact you call girls stalkers. You welcome the idea of publicly shaming them, not caring at all that if someone is that attached to another then rejecting is hugely damaging. Fuck them, they’re a physco. Just a quick lay.
That is gross and very sad. Repulsive.
Will you turn into one of those creepy guys who guy their friend’s young daughters just a bit too hard? Ew. Oh, no wait, that would be okay because you’re alpha and all girls secretly want to be dominated unless they are one fuck only alpha females, I mean it’s the way nature intended.
Why do you attack internet chatters that you don’t agree with by calling them physical/mental insults? You can’t tell if someone has a lazy eye or has aspengers. Too me, that seems to show a shitload of anger.
Whoosh! I shall write no more on this article.
Wow hardcore drama here. Anyway, was this comment directed at me?
For those of you new to the Wonderworks that is Roissy, don’t bother bitching ineffectually like a wind-up Jezebel lezbot about “double standards“. They are a fact of deeply ingrained sex differences, and aren’t going anywhere. No one said life was fair.
Have been reading the blog now. Don’t plan in the near future to commit to a slut. But all else equal I prefer to live in countries where girls are slutty. I prefer to go to bars where girls are slutty. I want to sow my wild oats, and it will be easier with slutty girls.
Sluttier girls: lower the importance of sex: make life about more than sex: Make girls actually have to demonstrate intelligence to et attention
I hate Islam. Islam is against slutty women. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Roissy, you missed the classic rule: “If she smokes, she fucks.”
And apparently if she doesn’t get her five servings of veggies everyday, chews tobacco, contemplates suicide, fights, or doesn’t use a seatbelt ( http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3397/is_/ai_n28828818 ). Low conscientiousness, ditto, ditto, mentally unstable, high test, low conscientiousness, respectively.
Also, age at cherry-poppin’ is a great tell, statistically confirmed.
“wishes a certain woman would be a slut so he can get some pussy”
Hey, if she sucks as a person, you won’t chase her. But if she say, stops by your a house for a party, and will jump on the carousel for a bit, pray away.
whiskey, black men are more masculine, but in my experience, don’t whisk away many of the white women. In the college scene, where I’m at currently, there’s the occasional black frat guy, but mostly the blacks stick to themselves.
IMO, a white girl fucking a black guy is basically a minor vice. It’s just slightly outre, like smoking pot. and therefore probably correlated with sluttiness (see above).
The few girls I’ve asked said they’ve never hooked up with an Asian.
Ditto Roissy on the fucks on the first date deal. Dated a girl for a bit who fucked me on the first date, and really it was a plus in my book – she first had sex at 18, I was number four, so it was flattering. The guy before me dated her for a month and never slept with her.
Yes, smoking is a huge signal.
So is drinking a lot or using drugs.
Also, if she is into extreme sports.
As a tactical matter, it’s recommended to refrain from being judgemental of the sexual history of girls you are gaming. Naturally, you don’t want to deep six a budding romance before you’ve closed the deal. There will be plenty of time post-sex for you to take a measure of the girl’s sluttiness and screen her for lesser or greater commitment.
Most men, even a lot of successful PUAs, just are not mentally strong enough to keep two contradictory ideas in their head at once: you should be totally non-judgmental and in the moment when interacting with a girl, but when you are in the privacy of your own room trying to decide if she is LTR material you should feel free to be judgmental as hell. It is really hard for most men to switch gears between being non-judgmental (when appropriate) and judgmental (when appropriate). So, if you just want to bang a lot of chicks and don’t want to complicate things in your mind, then it probably is good advice to just be totally non-judgmental all the time. It is easier for most guys if they keep things real simple.
roissy, I know you make no bones about the fact that you are not interested in finding a “wife”, so to speak. I have to admit, sometimes I find it a little confusing when you write posts like this because it would seem, as a hedonist, you would cherish “the slut”.
As for the list, I have to say I am in dangerous waters…..
Thankfully all my international travel was in the company of a boyfriend or to visit relatives (where I had a male “chaperone” at all times) or I’d be in trouble on that count.
Cleavage: There are definitely times where it is appropriate and where it is not, BUT it is something you are *very* aware of if you have big boobs. They can actually be hard to hide, like in a business setting. And mine aren’t even that big.
Interracial dating: I’m SOL on this one – being hispanic, I date white guys and black guys – especially now when I live in a place with very few minorities, I get a lot more attention from the black men around me. That, and the fact that I am surrounded by women that look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. But “date” for me does not automatically = sleep with, so I dunno.
Also, roissy, I was married. What about those of us who spent more than a few years in an LTR and got schooled by our significant other in the ways of blowjobs?
Also another tell not mentioned by Roissy in this post, but written about elsewhere: tattoos on her breasts, lower back or near her crotch.
I think Agnostic has linked to some studies somewhere that suggest that tattoos in general are not correllated with sluttiness, but piercings, aside from normal earrings, are. Correct me if I am wrong.
Also, the most and the least educated women in our society tend to have the most partners.
t (on chuck’s study backing up roissy’s anecdotes about black women being slutty):
One of the problems with studies like that has to do with the whole causation and correlation thing. For example, many of those tendencies you mention among black men and black women are common traits in lower class people of all colors and cultures. It’s just that the black population has a higher proportion of poor people than probably any other race in America. So of course you’re going to see higher numbers among black people because so much of the black population is poor and working class.
fair concern IMO
But I find when you isolate just the middle class and higher “bougie” black women (think the Cosby Show type) who don’t date outside of their race at all, they are much more prudish and sexually uptight than their white female counterparts. It’s a big reason why so many upscale black guys date interracially, because the upscale black women are often less sexually adventurous.
so, my question is do you have any actual evidence t that middle/upper class black women are as sexually adventurous or less than, for example, asian or white women?
To me a trait only really counts as a “black behavior” if its present in blacks at every social and class level.
one of the reasons such a claim seems so believable is because we already see separation even when we hold income or other factors constant for crime and iq for blacks versus whites (or asians). if true about sluttiness, it may or may not be genetically mediated. but, i’m somewhat open to the possibility that this potential difference is heavily culturally impacted by a libertine style, rap influenced black american culture that is inimical to traditional sexual mores.
‘other factors constant for crime’
acutally, i’m not sure about this if we hold income constant. i thought i read it somewhere on half sigma or steve sailer but might be wrong.
I’m usually content to read without commenting, but I’m a little disappointed, Roissy, because I expect more accuracy from you.
I disagree with chic’s statement, “by your take, every woman is a tramp”. However, I do think that this list incorrectly identifies many more women as sluts, especially since certain points are as well articulated. I’m not sure how differently females and males assess sluttiness, which might account for my perceived inaccuracy.
what jumps out most:
– she shows a lot of cleavage:
Your statement is partially true, but sluthood is more accurately determined when the method of display is considered (let’s not forget the latex fetish), as well as the quality of the goods. Excessive & frequent gratuitous display of ANY erogenous zone, especially done outside the current standards of fashion, should send up a red flag.
– she tells you about all the places she’s travelled:
Again, the method of travel and conditions of travel must be considered. I highly doubt females who bike or backpack across any country bed with the locals as a habit. Frequency of travel may or may not be telling; compare multiple visits to africa vs. one trip to the tropics. Location is really the best measure, as it’s much harder to get casually laid in communist China than Cancun.
– She never stops shit testing you:
As the frequency of shit-testing increases, do the chances of sluthood increase as well? Would a greater female alpha be considered a slut, since I recall GFAs are tolerated many more shit-tests than betas.
(the number of partners & frequency of partners)/age = likelihood of slutty behavoir
ex. 5 partners for a 15 yr old, or a virgin suddenly taking on 3 partners in a relatively short time span…
Exceptions do not disprove a rule.
Non-judgmentalism is beta.
Trust but verify.
All very good statements, but this post should be taken with a greater helping of salt than usual.
ps T. AKA Ricky Raw’s response re: tattoos should be put up on that list
L ing:
“Sluts are traitors to the sisterhood, undermining the prime directive and making it more difficult for the commitment whores to get what they want.”
You pretty much just called both sides of the spectrum tramps there.
relax, ling. it’s literary license. i like to upend the typical person’s perspective on female prerogative, and one way is to note that many women will barter their sex for a man’s commitment. of course, women who like commitment and don’t sleep around to get it aren’t sluts by my definition, or anyone else’s definition.
i’m pretty clear in explaining what defines a slut: any woman who has had quite a bit more than the median number of partners. it’s a sliding scale, so a woman who is only a few partners over the median is less of a slut than a woman who is 50 partners over.
Because if they don’t want sex then they want commitment and both deserve to be black listed.
you’re putting words in my mouth, like chic does all the time. you want to be compared to her? i thought not.
i never said sluts should be “black listed”. this is something about me that you imagine in your mind. sluts indeed serve a useful purpose as givers of sex no strings attached. and women who want commitment might be just what a man is looking for if he has LTR or marriage on his mind.
You continually insult women and the roles they play, through your words.
correction: i insult the conventional wisdom when it elevates the pretty lies to unerring truth.
That does seem misogynistic.
only to those who do not wish to see balance brought to the force.
ps dont be one of those self-absorbed chicks/girlymen who thinks i never give the shit to beta males because betas are invisible to them. have a look around here. check our my “visualizing betas” posts. read my dating market value test for men. read my comments to DA and MQ. if you’re honest with yourself you’ll see that i give plenty of pain to loser men as well.
You are critical of them in ways where there is no solution, your rational for that is “it’s natural.” Yet you try to find any truth, you don’t perform studies or care to tell the difference between cause and relation. Yet they are two different things.
perform studies? hey man, i’d rather be poolside. there’s enough science out there to verify what i say about men and women. have fun googling.
Also you don’t seem to care for anyone other than yourself.
i CARE for your hot bod, baby!
(not you ling)
Even after having sex, which is an emotional thing to the hugest part of the population. In fact you call girls stalkers.
chic part 2.
don’t be a chic, ling. it’s not a charming personality quirk.
did i write somewhere that all girls are stalkers? no. do you want to be accused of lying about me? no, i’m sure you don’t. think before you write shit like this.
You welcome the idea of publicly shaming them, not caring at all that if someone is that attached to another then rejecting is hugely damaging. Fuck them, they’re a physco. Just a quick lay.
That is gross and very sad. Repulsive.
i recommend shaming stalkers who can’t take a hint, but it wouldn’t be my first line of defense. in my post, i state very clearly that the preferable option is to ignore the stalker. that works most of the time.
Will you turn into one of those creepy guys who guy their friend’s young daughters just a bit too hard?
if she’s interested, cute, and legal, yeah.
Ew. Oh, no wait, that would be okay because you’re alpha and all girls secretly want to be dominated unless they are one fuck only alpha females, I mean it’s the way nature intended.
you’re getting warm.
Why do you attack internet chatters that you don’t agree with by calling them physical/mental insults?
don’t be misleading. i spread my tender hating goodness to those commenters who lie and “agree to disagree” when all the evidence contradicts their stupidly held opinions. chic has been lying about yours truly since she started commenting here. the time had come for her to atone for her sins.
You can’t tell if someone has a lazy eye or has aspengers. Too me, that seems to show a shitload of anger.
chic revealed that members of her family have aspergers. now, as a matter of policy i wouldn’t recommend anyone here reveal too much about themselves, as it is liable to be used against them in a blog of war. chic was careless to do so, especially since she knew that her lies have gotten her into hot water with me before.
it makes sense that chic might be somewhat aspergery based on the style of her writing and the blockheaded raymond-like stubbornness of the way she clings to her discredited silly opinions and her general incapability to logically follow a conversational thread without repeating her inane talking points like a broken record in the face of contrary evidence disproving what she believes to be true.
Whoosh! I shall write no more on this article.
not an auspicious start, ling, but i give everyone a few chances to prove they can go toe to toe with me in good faith. those who have failed suffered my incalculable sadistic cruelty.
hi nicole!
Don’t forget we are socailised to not date out as well as reminded that white men only like us for sex(re Roissy).
And what do black men like white women for? The great conversations? I’d be interested in seeing the divorce percentage for BM-WF marriages compared to WM-BF marriages.
john smith:
But all else equal I prefer to live in countries where girls are slutty. I prefer to go to bars where girls are slutty. I want to sow my wild oats, and it will be easier with slutty girls.
you’ll get no argument from me on that.
yay sluts!
just be careful not to marry them and you’ll be fine.
basil:
Roissy, you missed the classic rule: “If she smokes, she fucks.”
yeah, and that’s even more true today what with the stigma associated with smoking.
QT:
roissy, I know you make no bones about the fact that you are not interested in finding a “wife”, so to speak.
it would take an amazing woman with jedi-like mind control powers and an ass that won’t quite to turn me into a marrying man.
I have to admit, sometimes I find it a little confusing when you write posts like this because it would seem, as a hedonist, you would cherish “the slut”.
QT, i only tell it like it is. i give you the world as it truly works, stripped of the reality-bending lies people tell themselves to prop up their fragile egos. what you do with this information is up to you. the reality is that there are compromises to make for being a slut, and nothing short of reengineering the human mind will change that. as a hedonist who acts in ways that are personally advantageous, i see sluts for what they are — girls who are more likely to put out pronto and also to cheat.
Thankfully all my international travel was in the company of a boyfriend or to visit relatives (where I had a male “chaperone” at all times) or I’d be in trouble on that count.
business and couple travel is exempt from my slut designation list, so you’re fine.
Cleavage: There are definitely times where it is appropriate and where it is not, BUT it is something you are *very* aware of if you have big boobs. They can actually be hard to hide, like in a business setting. And mine aren’t even that big.
i was thinking more along the lines of women who wear plunging necklines in an obvious effort to best display their twin pontoons.
btw, just how big are your tas?
Interracial dating: I’m SOL on this one – being hispanic, I date white guys and black guys – especially now when I live in a place with very few minorities, I get a lot more attention from the black men around me. That, and the fact that I am surrounded by women that look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. But “date” for me does not automatically = sleep with, so I dunno.
i didn’t include interracial dating as a criteria for sluttiness. i think one of the commenters above mentioned that girls who date outside their race are slut candidates. i don’t know if this is true, but if it is i haven’t personally noticed it in my life. then again, i don’t know too many girls who date interracially.
Also, roissy, I was married.
it happens to the best of us.
What about those of us who spent more than a few years in an LTR and got schooled by our significant other in the ways of blowjobs?
i’ll give you this.
but i’ll add that many men are bad at instructing their women how to properly service the cock, so one LTR filled with loving BJs doesn’t necessarily mean the girl will emerge from it with expert level oral skills. otoh, if your ex was a man like myself of refined taste in matters of the mouth, then it is possible you came away from your LTR with the lips and tongue that could make a grown man cry in pleasure.
vainofstars:
However, I do think that this list incorrectly identifies many more women as sluts, especially since certain points are as well articulated.
many of my criteria depend for their slut designation accuracy on the degree to which they are realized. for instance, a girl who has traveled to two european cities is less likely to have slutted it up with foreign cock than a girl who has spent 2 years with her life in a backpack staying in hostels all across eurasia.
what jumps out most:
– she shows a lot of cleavage:
Your statement is partially true, but sluthood is more accurately determined when the method of display is considered (let’s not forget the latex fetish), as well as the quality of the goods. Excessive & frequent gratuitous display of ANY erogenous zone, especially done outside the current standards of fashion, should send up a red flag.
frequency and context matter in the cleavage category. sluttiest case scenario: she shows nearly all of her tits except nipples in every conceivable social setting.
– she tells you about all the places she’s travelled:
Again, the method of travel and conditions of travel must be considered. I highly doubt females who bike or backpack across any country bed with the locals as a habit. Frequency of travel may or may not be telling; compare multiple visits to africa vs. one trip to the tropics. Location is really the best measure, as it’s much harder to get casually laid in communist China than Cancun.
true. this is a finer grain than what i described in my post. a chick who is doing a stint with the peace corp in aboriginal australia is probably less likely to sample local cock than a chick doing a tour of every italian and french major city.
– She never stops shit testing you:
As the frequency of shit-testing increases, do the chances of sluthood increase as well? Would a greater female alpha be considered a slut, since I recall GFAs are tolerated many more shit-tests than betas.
my thinking was this — if you are getting shit tested a lot, it means one of two things. 1. you’re a beta who is batting out of his league. if this is the case then the odds of her cheating are boosted considerably. 2. she is a bona fide slut who shit tests to probe for weaknesses in your alpha armor so that she can eventually rationalize to herself any cheating that happens during those few times you fail the tests.
(the number of partners & frequency of partners)/age = likelihood of slutty behavoir
ex. 5 partners for a 15 yr old, or a virgin suddenly taking on 3 partners in a relatively short time span…
this is more fine grain analysis i might take up in a future post. all else equal, i would sooner slap the slut label on a chick who was celibate for 3 years but ended her drought with a 10 man gangbang in one night, than i would a chick who had 2 year consecutive relationships with 5 men.
but the chick who had only 2 prior long term BFs would be the least sluttiest of the three women in my example.
Re: tattoos, in general they don’t predict number of partners in women. But body piercings do. Don’t have the site off-hand, but search PubMed for “tattoos behavior,” “tattoos sex,” or something like that.
If she’s got a tattoo on her tits, though, definitely a slut. Too bad the studies don’t break down tattoos by size, location, and type — you figure some geek girl with a small tattoo of a bunsen burner on her deltoid isn’t whoring it up.
Roissy, I would not be quick to dismiss travels to Africa or the Caribbean or Thailand as evidence of perhaps sluttiness.
See the link on Wikipedia on female sex tourism. Houellebecq wrote about this phenomena, both male and female, as “sex wars” between the genders in the home countries.
Thailand is experiencing in particular, along with Bali, a rise in sex tourism. So too, parts of East Africa, Latin America, and other places outside of Europe.
I think the best way to determine relative values of sluttiness is to assess all factors together. But probably the most revealing of character is the woman’s friends, her parents (and relationship to them), siblings, and interactions with men when you are not around.
Slutty friends, divorced parents, rocky relationship with her father, siblings who are distant, or nutty/slutty and close, flirting with lots of guys when you are not around, are all leading indicators.
After all, who a woman spends time with shapes her character the most (18 years in the home at least), and then her choice of friends also says a lot. Just like (ladies) a man’s choice in friends tells you about himself.
[This is why guys ought to read more Jane Austen. Put themselves in the woman's place, where choice of LTR is critical. Not casual sex of course, but LTR. Guys are not exactly Jane Austen heroines but close enough when considering a LTR girl that they ought to pay attention to her lessons and learn. By observing closely and not making a judgment one way or another until all the data are in, and actions reveal character.]
I think that the industry standard “three dates before sex” is, while originating from the society, a way women manipulate men by withholding sex to get what they want. I don’t think it sets a healthy precedent to a LTR.
My rule nowadays is that I only date on first fuck. I like sex, and I like my gf to like sex, too. My sex drive is probably pretty average by standards of typical men. I believe average sex drive for women is lower than for men. So, I don’t want to end up in LTR with somebody whose sex drive is so slight that they even think about using it to manipulate me.
I think manipulation by withholding sex is the most destructive weapon woman has. It’s use is also approved of by the society. The knob can also be turned up, and even the man’s sex drive can be used against him in the court of love with all these classics:
- “you are sex maniac”
- “you don’t respect my body because you demand sex even when I have headache”
- “I cannot feel sexy unless our home is clean, why don’t you clean it if you want sex”
- etc.
It is my opinion that man expresses his love (not the puppy dog like, but real love) by wanting to have sex with her woman. Woman who is manipulating man with sex is turning the love of man against him. That is just sick, and the man is defenseless.
This principle might not work for everybody. It means reframing vice (“sluttiness”) as virtue (“likes sex”).
roissy: have you ever written about the morning after? How to handle it if she seems too clingy, but in a nice way that she does not go ballistic? And perhaps in a way that you can call her later if you want. To me, this seems the most difficult part of meeting women.
Interesting post distracted by the reference to black people. In a blog written by a white PUA for mostly white readers, references to Inuit or Icelandic sluts would have been more exotic and even more interesting to find out if they are true. Speaking of Iceland and the other Nordics, what is the average number or sexual partners and what are the divorce rates? Any stats on women cheating over there?
If there any women out there who can fess up to fitting at least two of the “tramp tells” stand up and defend yourselves before these sort of articles spread and you find yourself unfairly labeled.
Well! I see everyone’s getting along so nicely.
A few thoughts if I may, on the Burning Question: ARE Black Women, more “Sluttier” than Other Women?
It’s a pickle of a question, no doubt about it. And, as it is charged with inherent controversey, it is guaranteed to unleash all manner of deepseapted biases, on all sides.
If one would consider the following documented facts, it would seem that Roissy’s assertion would have at least *some* merit:
- African American marital rates are among, if not the, lowest in the country; most US Congressional districts containing majority Black populations do not have marital rates higher than 40% or so.
- Out of Wedlock pregnancy rates in Black America at present, exceeds 70%, and has for some years.
- STD rates are higher in Black America in relation to White America; even popular radio talk show host/dj Michael Baisden has expressed concern; for example he has brought to his audience’s attention an outbreak of Herpes and other STDs in major Black population centers such as Tulsa OK, and has noted that STD rates among Women aged 50 and over have clearly been Black.
- Abortion rates are significantly higher among Black Women than among White, Hispanic or Asian Women. Planned Parenthood figures, which have to be made accessible to the public as they receive gov’t funding I believe, can verify this. Also I think the NIH can speak to this.
And so on.
Also: the authors of the book “Promises I Can’t Keep”, whom I have spoken with, have said that they found that the Black Women they interviewed for the book did NOT have the same sense of “shame” that the White Women they spoke to for the book. Keep in mind, that the Women in both cases come from the same social strata.
So, again, it would seem that Roissy’s observation, on balance, *may* have *some* merit.
Please allow me to say, that personally, I do not take any pleasure in noting the above; indeed, I am somewhat saddened by it. But we must approach such matters w/a clear head; nothing is to be gained by defensiveness.
Having said all of that however, another bit of personal history.
I’ve experienced quite a few more White Women than Roissy has Black Women, unless he hasn’t reported his other dealings. So I’ve had the chance to do a bit of “comparison shopping” if you will.
My own direct experience, and listening to the experiences of my Brothas, says to me that without a doubt, White Women are far and away more likely to slut it up. Particularly in the areas of Oral and Anal Sex, which are two things Black Women on balance, aren’t particularly crazy about.
I’ve personally had quite a few fine sword swallowers. Two off the bat I recall are Black. Superlative in their skill of orally worshipping the Rod of Ebony, I would say.
But, w/all due respect to them, I must say, that my own direct, personal experience is, that the White Women I’ve dealt with – one of whom hailed from Mormon Country out in Utah – were on some other ish for real with their Fellatio skills. It approached nothing short of Supernatural in comparison to the Sistahood.
Also:
I’ve had the chance to attend quite a few group sex scenes. I have NEVER seen a Sista match what Debbie the Chubbette did back in highschool, which I’ve talked about in this forum before. She blew, w/ease and abandon, the entire O Line on the football team. That’s a lot of Wood, y’all.
So, I don’t know. Who does?
In other news, Ricky The Cancer has assured me that there will be plenty of White Women in attendance at his New Year’s Eve Ball. Its been awhile since I’ve had some.
Salaam
Mu
— My own direct experience, and listening to the experiences of my Brothas, says to me that without a doubt, White Women are far and away more likely to slut it up.
I’ve heard this too from black acquaintances. But you have to keep in mind that women who cross racial lines are not going to be typical white women.
I’ve seen a similar thing with east Asian women. I’ve dated a very small number of them, but the ones I did date were unusually outgoing and extroverted. And those are the ones who were open to dating a white guy like me to begin with.
On the other hand, the majority of east Asian chicks I’d probably have no chances with were blank-faced, confused, and unwelcoming of my approaches. And I have a feeling that those girls were more typical of their race than the adventurous/outgoing ones I dated.
Roissy to chic:
“A guys here have admitted to dabbling a bit with the same sex*. I really think it’s more common behavior among men than women to experiment with the same sex (as a teen).”
you think wrong. more straight women than men have experimented with same sex. female sexuality is more fluid. men are either gay or straight.
What Roissy says is absolutely correct. When I was a teenager, I’ve never even heard rumors about any of my peers dabbling a bit with sex with other guys. Men are straight, bi, or gay. Hetero guys don’t experiment sex with other guys. They know whether they are into it or not. Stories about hetero guys turned out by homo guys are nothing but homo fantasizing.
Ooo, looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today.
Oh well, I suppose by the accounting of the cited studies (though I notice no quotes from said studies, nor links. I’m not wasting money on another article purchase. Bivalve calcium carbonate before family Suidae and all that), I’m now a raving homo.
I welcome theories and insults into my continued preference for the company of women, as well as to my continued almost painful feeling of sensual ennui that has paralyzed me for the past few years.
To complete the trifecta, I’m drunk right now.
Carry on.
Has anyone pointed out that sluttiness levels can change with age? The older they are the sluttier they tend to be. It’s been pointed out on other threads, but women have bonding instincts during the teen years, and then ‘browse the alpha-sperm-buffet’ instincts once they’ve settled down with a provider. It’s all in the red queen. Whether the correlate is age or childbirth remains to be seen. But age is definitely a factor.
Speaking of sluts, Bristol Palin just named her newborn son TRIPP.
The kid already has uncles named Trig and Track. One cannot but despise these people.
The GOP is really in deep shit if it cannot muster better VP candidates than Bristol Palin’s mother. By the way, can someone tell me whether naming girls after population centers is limited to certain social classes in America? Not all of such names sound stupid, though. For example, Brittany is not that bad because it actually sounds like girl’s name and because Brittany is not a city but a French province. Neither is Virginia because Virginia itself was named after a virgin queen.
About the Black Chicks, 2 thoughts.
1) It makes sense, if you look at it from a wealth difference, where in poverty, you have sex at a younger age because there just isn’t anything else to do. This goes with poor white chicks as well. So I think you should say poor chicks and not black chicks.
2) On the other hand, most black chicks are church-going, and trying to educate themselves. So they must be closet freaks, or newly reformed girls trying to rid themselves of their slutfull past.
One final point, I think that blacks and latinas enjoy sex more than white girls, and that might just be from experience. Fucking a lot of black dudes with bigger cocks means more vaginal orgasms.
roissy is clearly a beta posing as an alpha here on this blog.
just how many alphas would spend as much time blogging and responding to comments as roissy does?
I agree. I’ve heard about women in Thailand, and Jamaica has long been a destination for white hippie chicks who like weed and go down there to indulge their “noble savage” and Mandingo fantasies by fucking rastas and smoking weed. You see
City Journal also had an article last year about how Haiti is becoming a sex tourism destination for cougars and more mature white women who want to get banged by younger black guys. Same for parts of Africa.
Another sign of sluttiness:
* This may be too obvious, but women who frequently go to bars alone. Or are frequently in the coffeeshop alone but not working on anything substantial, just doing some light reading. They are pretty much looking to get picked up.
If I may…
Earlier in this discussion, Chic suggested that perhaps one reason *why* certain Women made considerable purchases of sex toys and the like, was due to Male Sexual Ineptitude.
Let’s assume for the sake of this discussion, that Women in our time now do indeed have a considerable number of sexual partners, on average.
That said, the question becomes-should the Player desire it, of course-is this:
What skills does he possess in a sexual sense, to keep girlfriend from straying?
I’ll have more to add, later.
Comments?
Salaam
Mu
Check on African-American STD rates – that constitutes indirect evidence of sluttiness. Not a pretty picture.
“The rate of chlamydia among African-American women was more than seven times higher than the rate among white women (1,760.9 and 237.0 per 100,000 population, respectively)”
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/figures/figureO.htm
“African-American women aged 15 to 19 years had a gonorrhea rate of 2,898.1 cases per 100,000 women. This rate was 14 times greater than the 2006 rate among white women of similar age (208.7)”
“the rate [of syphilis] among African-American women was more than 16 times higher than that among white women.”
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/minorities.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/toc2006.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/figures/figure17.htm
A fine list, but I think there are a few more obvious ways to tell if a woman is a slut:
- Does she have brown eyes? I’ve had one experience with a woman with brown eyes, and she was a slut. My other friends assure me this is true as well.
-Is she educated? She spends at least four years, unsupervised, around a bunch of people of the opposite sex. Need I say more? That is why I like my women to have no more than an elementary school education. What does a woman really learn useful after that?
-She must believe in White Power. Women (white women naturally, all others already being sluts by definition), should not belive in race mixing. Belief that other minorities may be equal to the white race is the first step of slutdom.
-She shows sinful amounts of face and ankle. Those body parts exist only to tantalize and arouse men unmercifully. Sluts. I like my women covered up as much as possible. The Taliban are absolutely correct.
-She is between the ages of 12 – 65. These are the prime slut years. I agree with Gannon. Get ‘em while they are young, so they won’t know any better. Or else get ‘em while they are old, because there is nothing like knocking on death’s death door to keep a woman from straying.
I hope these additional points were helpful.
only to those who do not wish to see balance brought to the force.
An allusion to Star Wars again. Have you read the interpretation of Star Wars as an Allegorical Tale of Coming to Terms with Homosexuality.. Cracks me up.
[...] * Dude blogger Roissy in D.C. knows how to identify a slut! She is sarcastic, wears no underwear, and has “that crazy, hyper, coked-up look in her [...]
damn, you went all ‘forum troll’ there with Noir, Roissy. disappointing…
T:
Your Cosby Show example is exactly what I had in mind. There’s no fathomable way that Vanessa Huxtable is sluttier than the average woman, black or white, but I’ll guarantee you that someone like Miss New York is a giant slut.
Black women’s sexual habits are much harder to peg down across the whole spectrum than other races’. There are plenty of black comedians who talk about how hard it is to get black chicks to do anal or anything above and beyond “normal” sexual relations.
Also, black girls reach sexual maturity at earlier ages than girls from other races.
Couple of thoughts:
- For some reason, my mind is stigmatized to associate white girls with the word slut. I’m not sure if this is because I expect women from other races to be having sex or what. Honestly, for some reason I see more white women being desperate for the cock than girls from other races. I think blacks and Latinos may play it more cool when it comes to getting dicked down. White chicks will drive for two hours and rent hotel rooms to get laid. I don’t picture blacks or Latinos doing this. Can you picture that astronaut woman from a few years back being anything but white? I associate this desperation with slutiness.
-More indicators of possible sluts: If a girl was nerdy, fat, or unpopular in high school but afterward attempts to ingratiate herself to a more popular social set will probably be a slut. The only way to break the shackles of her high school angst, and gain any sort of (shallow) self-esteem, is to sleep with guys. She’ll associate this behavior with her ticket to popularity. I’ve noticed a trend in which the popular girls from high school are now married with children (thus decreasing their sluttiness) while those ugly ducklings (at least the ones who have attempted to blossom) are out at the club on a Dick Hunt.
Corollary: There are some nerdy, fat, unpopular girls who either turn into cat women or go on to graduate school, usually in English or Women’s Studies and by definition never see the Light of Cock.
Chic
Sara, I prodict this place turning into the heman woman hater club after this post.
Sorry to leave you to the “wolves” or PIG rather; meaning roissy of course, but I have better things to do, hard as that may be to imagine. I was going to leave you a message on your blog, but it didn’t seem appropriate. Good luck! LOL He’s not worth it!!!
Can’t resist! I’ll tell you definition of slut, roissy; any chick who has sex with YOU, and if she’s not in fact “slut” she would feel like one afterwards. Byeeeeeeeeee and happy new year.
OK…after having gotten over the initial shock and hilarity, I think this can be an invaluable guide for any man looking for a long term relationship. There should be a link to this right under “The 16 Commandments of Poon”
damn, you went all ‘forum troll’ there with Noir, Roissy.
it’s fun to bat around my cat toys.
that you don’t like it doesn’t much concern me.
sara my love my muse my heart:
Can’t resist! I’ll tell you definition of slut, roissy; any chick who has sex with YOU, and if she’s not in fact “slut” she would feel like one afterwards. Byeeeeeeeeee and happy new year.
you know, sara, no matter how incoherent you are, or how much hippie gibberish you vomit, i can’t help but kind of like you. i don’t know why. there’s something endearing about your style.
i predict you will take my words into bed with you tonight and whisper them softly over and over as you masturbate to a gaia shaking orgasm.
Notes after reading this thread:
- Actually, judgmental guys do much better with girls than non-judgmental guys. They just know when to reveal they are judging a girl in words (almost never) versus actions (when they kick them to the curb for the next one).
- To Roissy’s lack of trust point, I’m with him on this one. Don’t trust women. In fact, don’t trust humans.
Trust has an asymmetric payoff; if you trust someone, you are likely to receive a small reward most of the time (which is why most people are trusting to some extent, as they look for consistent rewards), but the flip side is that when they fail you, they tend to fail you big time.
Take “don’t worry, I’m not going to hurt you” statements. Usually the payoff for trusting someone in this situation is consistent but low (barring, perhaps, some medical procedures), but the consequences of being wrong can be immense, if you are even around to find out what they were.
You’re a fool and a sucker if you trust consistently. It just doesn’t jive with reality.
- It amuses me Dagny showed up with a fucking Blade Runner reference in this thread, of all things.
- The Black women thing is going to be a very hard debate to quantify precisely because of some of the other factors in play; black women from poor backgrounds are not equivalent to those from non-poor backgrounds, those who date white men are not going to hold the same attitudes as those who do not date white men, etc, on average. We have sampling bias here.
You’d need a unbiased random sample of black women where they also told the truth to determine what is really going on, so unless you intend to abduct a sample with a suitable n and then torture people until they confess truthfully, we’re probably shit out of luck on this one.
Sometimes it is best to know what you don’t know. Personally, I have no opinion on the sluttiness or lack thereof as refers to black women; especially because I am not fucking the entirety of black women, just a definitely non-representative subset thereof.
Another slut red flag: is or was enlisted in the military.
To put a finer point on this one, this can go actually either way. From what I’ve seen in the barracks, about 5% of the women will be stalwart good girls. They are usually the prettiest and most feminine ones. The one problem with them is that they begin and end every sentence with “My boyfriend…” as a penis-repellant.
The rest swing from cock to cock.
i’ll add to the list as i remember more of the tells that i’ve come across while dating sluts.
The original list missed some major ones. Time for an update.
Anonymous:
“I hope these additional posts were helpful.”
Actually, they weren’t helpful. You are trying to imply that there is no basis, scientific or otherwise, for the claims being made. This is simply false.
For many of the claims there are mountains of scientific evidence. Some hard stats have been published in this very thread, but that’s only a drop in the bucket. You could google away, but instead you prefer to pretend that all claims are merely hot air.
And of course, some of the claims have no scientific basis (no relevant study has ever been done), and stem entirely from personal observation and speculation. That’s why it’s called a discussion forum. I think that the observations and thoughts of intelligent posters are valuable on such topics. Less intelligent posters, particularly the ones who are part of the politically correct cult, are not valuable. We get your position: everybody is equal, all groups are the same, there are no differences. Anyone who says otherwise is a Nazi and a hater. Yawn. We get it.
Unfortunately for you, the reality is different.
For example, since this is something that you seem to be hung up on, it is in fact my personal observation that white women who cross racial lines are substantially sluttier, on average, than white women who don’t. Most should have a toxic waste sign posted above their vag.
Is there scientific evidence to back this up? I don’t have any offhand, but I do recall a study (buried deep in the Centers for Disease Control site) finding that white women who reported non-white sexual partners were six times more likely to have HPV than those who reported only white partners. Six times. Not a “mere” thirty percent or fifty percent increase, which would be huge enough. SIX times. I don’t have the inclination to dig up the study, but it’s there (or certainly was a few years ago) if someone wants to go for it.
Since I’m not providing a link, of course I don’t expect you to take my word for it, and I’m confident that you won’t. But I believe that I am right that white women who cross the racial line are more diseased and slutty. I am quite confident that their rates for all STDs would be much higher than the norm for white women who don’t cross racial lines.
Even if there was no scientific study at all (studies with politically incorrect subject matter find it hard to get funding, and the last thing the establishment wants to do is discourage white women from crossing racial lines – even if it kills them), my personal observation tells me that this is so. If someone wants to believe it isn’t true, fine by me. He’s been warned, and he can suffer the consequences. Best advice: stay away from such women. They sure aren’t LTR or wife material, and their STD risks are so great that they aren’t even worth it for a pump and dump. Guys can ignore this at their own risk.
Again, this is a discussion forum, not a scientific journal. That implies a good deal of flexibility. A combination of hard data and personal observations can make for an interesting and insightful thread. You offer neither hard evidence nor interesting personal observations, just assertions that all politically incorrect claims are hot air. So no, that’s not helpful.
Umm… About that male bisexuality thing. It is actually fairly common, especially in other countries that have stricter social rules separating the sexes. I lived in an Islamic country for two years. I discovered that male friendships are often sexual, it is not discussed at the dinner table but everyone knows. This is just my opinion based on my experience, ie I don’t have a study to back this up, but bisexuality is a learned behavior. Imagine growing up male and not having access to females. You can’t talk to them, you can’t approach them, most of the time you can even see them. Your sex drive is trapped in an all-male environment. As you are growing up you have JO sessions with buddies or older relatives, which eventually move on to other things. These men don’t consider themselves gay. It is just what unmarried men do. I think we will see more of this as our society moves towards polygamy and away from traditional marriage. Besides sometimes men just want NSA sex. It is much easier to get and with much less drama from another man with similar interests. Not that any of this is good for society as a whole, but it doesn’t do any good to deceive ourselves about how common bisexuality is.
Oh and about the study that was posted earlier in this thread. It has big time problems. First what gives a man an erection? It is different for everyone and like Pavlov’s dogs it a a response that can be conditioned. If you orgasm enough to gay porn. When you see gay porn you will get an erection. If your girlfriend sticks her finger up your butt while you are orgasming, you will learn to like it. Anal stimulation significantly enhances orgasm in both men and women. It doesn’t matter if they are gay or straight. All this study showed it that very few men have conditioned themselves to react to gay porn and straight porn. Using this data to say that bisexuality is a myth just doesn’t make sense.
Poor Roissy! This know-it-all knows everything but what his future will hold. Lucky for him I’m happy to tell him. He will marry a wily good girl who wants kids and poor Roissy will find out way too late that that’s all she wants from him – ALIMONY PLEASE! CHILD SUPPORT PLEASE! Of course, the marriage broke up because Roissy had to pay prostitutes otherwise he’d get no sex at all! Then Roissy’s sex life will really go down the tubes because no one wants a man whith no money! Then Roisyy will sit in a bar and recall his younger days when many a slut was on offer, but he disdained them, and chose a good girl, and watched his life go to hell! Men that marry sluts have good sex for the rest of their lives. Men that listen to Roissy will wish they never did.
“Bisexual” men consist of two groups:
1. Heterosexual men who have no access to women and will take what they can get. Prison, Arab countries with tight control on women etc. These men will not have sex with other men when women are available.
2. Closeted gays who want a normal family life or who are just in denial.
BTW the black community tends to disapprove of homosexual men more than the white community, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a slightly higher percentage of gay men in the black community who are closeted. That is a separate question from whether there is an “epidemic” of men on the downlow.
Hey Ryder, take your liberal viewpoints and stuff it. You seem to have a greater tolerance for the minorities than I do. If my woman doesn’t scream “White Power!” when I orgasm, I dump her right then and there. Naturally my woman never orgasms, because a woman orgasming is the very definition of a slut. I don’t allow my woman to watch TV, because she then might tune into Animal Planet, and start getting ideas. I like getting them while they are young, because that way, they can never compare my performance in bed to someone else, and decide that they like the other guy’s more. The poor dumb bitches think I’m a god, mostly because they don’t know any better.
On a visit to NYC, a nuyorican clothes shop salescougar made it pretty unambiguous I could be shouting In!Ter!Ra!Ciaaal in fifteen minutes or so. Ha, til the comment above, I didn’t realize that’s a group trait.
Thursday,
I think you are right, but I would add a third option.
3. Heterosexual Men who prefer sex with women, but occasionally dabble in homosex because it is different and they like it, and/or they just don’t want to put up with women shit for a blowjob.
This isn’t an empty category. There are many historical examples of this behavior. The Greeks are a good example, although this behavior was probably much more common before birth control. Randy boys couldn’t play around with the opposite sex without risking pregnancy.
I know this thread is about slut indicators and I’ll drop this whole bisexual thing, but it is not correct to say something like women can be bisexual where men are simply straight, gay, or gays in denial. We don’t have the science to back up a statement like that.
Anonymous:
“Hey Ryder, take your liberal viewpoints and stuff it. You seem to have a greater tolerance for the minorities than I do. If my woman doesn’t scream “White Power!” when I orgasm, I dump her right then and there. ”
Ha! Good stuff. It’s unusual for politically correct cultists to have a sense of humor.
Valerie:
“Men that marry sluts have good sex for the rest of their lives. ”
Yeah, nothing like a broken down, aging, diseased slut to keep the sex life in marriage going strong. It all sounds so appealing.
You are trying to pull the old con that sluts like sex, and good girls don’t. I’ve dated enough girls to have some experience here: the “good” girls like sex every bit as much as the sluts. It’s just that the good girl doesn’t spread it all around town, while the mentally unstable and diseased slut does.
Mentally unstable people don’t make great marriage partners. For the occasional male dufus (you know who you are) who is going to say something like “But hey, what if the good girl turns out to be frigid?” all I can say is that if you are with a girl and can’t figure that out, you are beyond any real hope. Stick to video games. Or hell, sluts.
Umm… About that male bisexuality thing. It is actually fairly common, especially in other countries that have stricter social rules separating the sexes. I lived in an Islamic country for two years. I discovered that male friendships are often sexual, it is not discussed at the dinner table but everyone knows. This is just my opinion based on my experience, ie I don’t have a study to back this up, but bisexuality is a learned behavior. Imagine growing up male and not having access to females. You can’t talk to them, you can’t approach them, most of the time you can even see them. Your sex drive is trapped in an all-male environment. As you are growing up you have JO sessions with buddies or older relatives, which eventually move on to other things. These men don’t consider themselves gay. It is just what unmarried men do. I think we will see more of this as our society moves towards polygamy and away from traditional marriage. Besides sometimes men just want NSA sex. It is much easier to get and with much less drama from another man with similar interests. Not that any of this is good for society as a whole, but it doesn’t do any good to deceive ourselves about how common bisexuality is.
I wonder how common situational male homosexuality really is in prisons or in strictly gender separated polygynous societies. It happens, for sure. But how common?
“I wonder how common situational male homosexuality really is in prisons or in strictly gender separated polygynous societies. It happens, for sure. But how common?”
I’ve been wondering about this as well.
According to a series called MSNBC called Lockup, it’s pretty common. If you go to Youtube and search “Lockup msnbc” you can see clips. Here are two for starters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5AbIn3IlVs
This one is kind of hilarious:
I wonder how common situational male homosexuality really is in prisons or in strictly gender separated polygynous societies. It happens, for sure. But how common?
The Atlantic: Kingdom in Closet
Not to interrupt the male bisexual inquiry but this -
all else equal, i would sooner slap the slut label on a chick who was celibate for 3 years but ended her drought with a 10 man gangbang in one night, than i would a chick who had 2 year consecutive relationships with 5 men.
-is the kind of analysis you can only do once you have started dating someone.
I think there are definitely women that, given certain surface facts, everyone would agree are sluts. But I think many more women are going to fall into the serial monogamy “gray area”. Would any of you consider this to be where a individual man’s personal preference comes into play?
It’s also a question of why and context.
“How many men have you slept with?” is a pretty meaningless question in and of itself for answers that hover within the range of the mean/median.
It’s also a question of “why did you sleep with them”, and that’s not so much a personal preference thing for men (I think that is more relevant as to why they would have picked the person in the first place), but rather a “does anything you say set off my bullshit detector or cheating whore alarm” type thing.
“How many men have you slept with?” is a pretty meaningless question in and of itself for answers that hover within the range of the mean/median.
This is only true if the woman thinks you have a lower number, you are judgmental or possible dating/husband material.
THE best way to tell sluts is gaming them into the belief that you are none of the above, and then drop the question.
This way I got women who did not match a single one of roissy’s criteria to confess multiple dozens of partners.
I repeat: these women did not match any of these criteria.
They would have slipped through the radar, because these women know about roissy’s tell-tale criteria (all but the presents) and avoid them like the plague when out for catching a husband.
If you have a dark soul, follow the above, let her boast about her number – and then drop the bomb of pure ultimate slut disdain. It’s hysterical how eager women will backpedal once they realize you think their number is high.
@11minutes… this seems to be indicative of the NB http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ninjabitch
flying under the radar… like shinobi…
I was banging a chick in college who dragged me out one night with my dorky roommate to set him up with one of her close but dorky friends. We’re all sitting down getting food after the bars close and she pulls the notches question out of thin air. I don’t even remember how I answered, probably something ambiguous like “double digits,” then flipped it back to her. I wanted her to answer for my own bemusement, since I had zero emotional investment in this girl. She tosses out the number 3, which I instantly called bullshit on, since I banged her fairly effortlessly, and she got pouty and insisted, then I changed the subject out of mercy and because I still wanted her to be willing to fuck again that night.
The next day I enthusiastically informed my boy who shouted back, “Give her the 13 dick curve!!” A Clerks joke, I guess. Anyway, the broad follows up with me that week saying she was withholding her real number from her friend because she was worried of her opinion, but she felt the need to come clean to me, since apparently it is more important to be truthful about yourself with a guy you’re banging and trying to convince to upgrade you than one of your lifelong friends. The real number….. 16! With an asterisk for the one night in Italy a guy walked her back to her room and she woke up the next morning not knowing what exactly had happened. She suspected something was put in her drink (hahaha!) and that she sort of counts it because apparently the guy told all his friends he banged her. The moral of her story, she explained, was that she had changed her ways because she regretted her behavior. Also, I suspect she wanted to appear closer to my own experience level so that we might bond through common revelation and settle down together.
Needless to say, I proposed marriage immediately and we lived happily ever after. “And if you believe that, then you also believe there are Richard Simmons Juniors running around, ahh haa haa!!”
I have a couple other great stories about this chick that I can hopefully share in the comments over time.
Speaking of Clerks… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpQqH4H_SUQ
The real number….. 16!
multiply that by two.
I saw a chick from Ukraine who insisted on “not being as promiscuous as you think” on the first date.
She was always dressed like a classy business woman. Very proper and conservatively. She didn’t smoke and all in all seemed more virtuous than the pope.
She constantly talked about her desire for stable relationships, commitment and marriage and that she only had one boy friend Her “first and so far only love”. She broke up with him 1 1/2 years ago.
She “didn’t like blow jobs”, and she sucked at it indeed. She said she basically never did anal. She ended three dates with just a kiss.
After a couple more dates I banged her up the ass. She came within seconds.
Over time I let her tell me about other lovers. I secretly made the math.
At some point she drops the bomb and wants to know my number, “because I am so experienced”.
I ask for her number first – and she lets me guess.
I say 24. She gets upset, insulted. Goes off about how ridiculous etc.
Then I present her with the list I kept in mind.
She gulps. Says her number is “more like 20″. And that “this sounds like a lot”.
I dropped her that night. She ended that conversation telling me that one night she was upset I didn’t show up at a party and took another guy home “because she was so upset”. We were only dating for a few weeks.
This woman would make it on the sweet, pure, loving girl list on most guys I know. It DOES take experience to see behind the bullshit.
Over time I let her tell me about other lovers. I secretly made the math.
Yes, yes, yes. Play the rope a dope. Lay back and pretend like you couldn’t care less in the world, but secretly keep note of _everything_. Tells are fantastic for smoking out the most obvious girls, but a few will have the self control to put on a bit of an act.
Beda:
“I dropped her that night. She ended that conversation telling me that one night she was upset I didn’t show up at a party and took another guy home “because she was so upset”. We were only dating for a few weeks.
This woman would make it on the sweet, pure, loving girl list on most guys I know. It DOES take experience to see behind the bullshit.”
Yeah, this is the scary side of life. I once hooked a girl, first night she gave me a blowjob. I won’t go into the details of the “where”, but let’s just say it made me something of a legend in my circle of friends.
Anyway, this girl later has the gall to claim that she is a long term relationship “type” of person, and hasn’t been with many guys. Of course I knew it was b.s., and when she was drunk the truth came out – well over fifty. I suspect even that is a lowball.
Those are the easy ones, the funny ones. The girl that is such an obvious slut, but STILL has the temerity to claim that she isn’t.
The ones you are talking about, well, those are the tough ones. The ones that at least have sense enough not to blow you within hours of meeting for the first time, and then claim to be Little Bo Peep. Gotta learn to flush ‘em out, and that only comes with experience.
I’m not sure how well it can be taught, because you’ve really got to clue in on the nuances of the tells. Roissy’s list is a good start, but I question how many can benefit from it. You see how some male posters just can’t understand how to learn from a tell, where others naturally grasp it. Some are completely oblivious. You can teach people facts, but if they don’t get the nuances and interconnections, then a girl like you describe is gonna run a number on them.
Anyway, sluts have their uses, as do the men too dumb to figure them out (or too deluded to condemn sluts). The sluts provide easy sex for the broader male population until guys decide they want to settle down. And as for the dufus guys that are willing to marry sluts (or ex-sluts), well, somebody has got to do it, right? The dufus is willing to do this, and therefore reduces (but does not eliminate) the need of sluts to run extensive con games on the rest of us. The whole dynamic makes it much easier to flush out the slut, and put one’s long term energies elsewhere. The dufus has his rather pathetic but nonetheless important role to play in all of this.
you’ve really got to clue in on the nuances of the tells.
There is almost always something self-conscious about a woman who is pretending to be more innocent than she really is. Very, very few women are good enough actresses to really pull off a fully natural performance as a good girl. Clio’s earlier comment captures this pretty well, “Self-consciously radiating an aura of innocence, i.e. speaking in a baby voice; lowering her head and shyly avoiding a man’s eyes when she speaks; an indefinable air of helplessness.”
BTW, if you are an experienced, perceptive guy and one of these superb actresses still manages to fool you, all you can really do is just tip your hat to her and feel a little bit flattered that such overwhelming talent has been lavished on your bad self. There are not guarantees in life and there really isn’t much shame in being beat by the best of the best. Just don’t let yourself get trapped into committing to some run of the mill piece of trash pretending to be better than she is.
PA:
“Another slut red flag: is or was enlisted in the military.”
Yep, good catch. I’ll go further: any civilian girl who lives near a major military base. Doesn’t mean she’s a slut (obviously), but there is a serious slut culture that surrounds major bases. There is a reasonable chance that she is/was a part of it. Proceed with caution.
11minutes:
“This is only true if the woman thinks you have a lower number, you are judgmental or possible dating/husband material.
THE best way to tell sluts is gaming them into the belief that you are none of the above, and then drop the question.”
Good insight. I agree, but this is much easier when you really ARE none of the above, and are just looking for a fling. Then it’s easy to make her comfortable admitting to her own decadence.
On the other hand, it’s going to be harder for a guy to pull this off if he is actually looking for Miss Right, and wants to pass her screening tests. Miss Right may not take kindly to a guy painting himself as a non-judgmental libertine. A fine line between flushing out the slut, and creating a false impression of oneself. I think the best that can be done is to keep the “list” in mind, and subtly probe. Unless she is very disciplined (most chicks aren’t, even good girls) she’ll slip up. They’ll give up the game without realizing what they’ve done…or so we hope!! lol
Thursday:
“BTW, if you are an experienced, perceptive guy and one of these superb actresses still manages to fool you, all you can really do is just tip your hat to her and feel a little bit flattered that such overwhelming talent has been lavished on your bad self. There are not guarantees in life and there really isn’t much shame in being beat by the best of the best. Just don’t let yourself get trapped into committing to some run of the mill piece of trash pretending to be better than she is.”
Yeah, that’s about the size of it. Fortunately there aren’t too many of them out there. Most give the game away, and quick.
frequency and context matter in the cleavage category.
Anyone else notice what I like to call “second date cleavage.” Often a girl will show up to first date in a sweater or turtleneck, but if she really likes you after that . . . out come the girls.
Miss Right may not take kindly to a guy painting himself as a non-judgmental libertine. A fine line between flushing out the slut, and creating a false impression of oneself.
Just paint yourself as non-judgmental. The libertine part is somewhat superfluous.
I think the best that can be done is to keep the “list” in mind, and subtly probe. Unless she is very disciplined (most chicks aren’t, even good girls) she’ll slip up.
Right. Most girls don’t have the talent and self-discipline to pull off the good girl thing for long if they aren’t actually a good girl.
Guys who’ve done time say anyone who sucks dick in the
joint, sucks when out.
Prison rape is pretty bad though. I don’t like living in a
country where Jay Leno uses it for easy laughs. I’d rather
live somewhere all prison time is solitary- a monk’s cell,
not one of those strait boxes.
Just curious…how could we ever prove this? For example, say most girls DID have the talent to pull off the good girl thing for long without actually being one. Since most of them were good at it, men would just classify them as good girls and focus on the ones they COULD bust, thus creating the illusion that most girls can’t do it.
It’s like that old saying “You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.” How could anyone prove that? Anyone who DID fool all of the people all of the time by definition would never be discovered because no one would be aware they were ever fooled.
That’s why it’s just so much easier to be a raging misogynist and treat ALL women as if they were sluts ready and willing to cheat on you given the opportunity.
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Gentlemen,
Your numbers are apparent too. Your baggage is revealed in cynicism, paranoia, skepticism, or inability to trust. You appear to be hiding something and lack genuineness.
Just don’t let yourself get trapped into committing to some run of the mill piece of trash pretending to be better than she is.
Thursday, I don’t judge men for wanting to sleep with an almost virginal girl OR a slut – whatever. I say that so you understand the following statements are not a judgment of your preferences.
But honestly, in my group of friends I cannot classify any one of them as a piece of trash. I am not a man, so perhaps I don’t see the worst of it. We are all in our late 20’s-early 30’s and there may be a few touching double digits for the first time, but we have all had serial boyfriends and/or husbands. We didn’t do gangbangs in college or have sex on top of a bar in Cancun.
All this being said, most of us love sex. We just wait until we are in a monogamous relationship to have it. This doesn’t seem slutty to me, but again, I’m not a man, and one of the reasons I read this blog is to understand where y’all are coming from.
I would think that this same sort of social calculus would be done by ladies as well. Maybe I’m wrong but in the context of a husband/baby daddy, I’d think that ladies would try to filter if their man on whether he is going to be a gun/run, abusive, or cheating type. It just seems like there is some symmetry here.
I don’t think anyone here is implying that being a slut is bad. I kind of thought the argument was, “what is an effective way to identify one?”. Of course this logic doesn’t apply if you do not believe in the basic assumption that there are such things. In the same way that you probably don’t care about your partners history at all for casual encounters or non-ltr dating. If it came to throwing the down the gauntlet though, some people (either gender) may indeed care. Everyone is wired a bit different so no judgement on that if you don’t feel that way.
Ok edit that last one… scratch baby daddy and just use Husband… baby-daddies (good gene/sexy son) are for cuckoldry =)
cheers
JPW –
Tribal, polygamist societies do have lots of gay sex. Western men going from easy access to women overall, to only a few?
That’s a pre-revolutionary state, particularly since there are no real tribal power structures to enforce harems based on men with AK-47s. Instead you’re going to get the full “Guido” approach, or variations thereof, as guys compete for smaller groups of women that are available.
In Western society, over it’s entire recorded history, men have killed over women. I know a lot of people (particularly women and PC men) expect this to suddenly change because we have police forces. Let me remind everyone we have relatively few police, and they are mostly underpaid men. The idea that soft polygamy will be “solved” by guys “going gay” is a laughable lunatic fantasy.
More likely, a ton more pr0n, prostitution, and so on.
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Re — # of partners and sexual promiscuity, it’s best to proceed with almost all girls as if they are racking up the #’s and fairly promiscuous. Pretty much most in the urban professional areas are.
Ladies — this is exactly why you won’t get many men to commit to you. Have enough of girls with lots of partners/promiscuity and pretty much all women will be classed like that. It doesn’t matter if you don’t meet that category, since there is no obvious way to tell men hedge against downside and play the field.
Women commenting on this thread – especially the Game for Girls blogger – seem to take serious issue with why we Men desire to identify sluts in the first place…she resorts to shaming language and states that men who are concerned about a women’s sluttiness are just insecure and “beta.” Sorry dear, but no amount of female superiority condescension from you can change the basic facts that serve as the impetus for male stigmatization of female promiscuity: to reiterate what Roissy wrote in closing of the initial post – the part you completely ignored in your blog response:
There’s a damn good reason why men should be judgmental with regards to potential women for a LTR. Cuckoldry, no-fault divorce etc. can be very very very costly to men…so of course we want to make sure the woman that we commit to are not sluts.
anony:
You appear to be hiding something
the salami?
Anony:
“Gentlemen, Your numbers are apparent too. Your baggage is revealed in cynicism, paranoia, skepticism, or inability to trust. You appear to be hiding something and lack genuineness.”
Why don’t you tell us why men should be willing to marry, support, and endure broken down diseased sluts? Make your case. But let’s be honest, you have no case and therefore must resort to empty platitudes. Awesome.
T. AKA Ricky Raw:
“Just curious…how could we ever prove this? For example, say most girls DID have the talent to pull off the good girl thing for long without actually being one. Since most of them were good at it, men would just classify them as good girls and focus on the ones they COULD bust, thus creating the illusion that most girls can’t do it.”
Well, theoretically, that could happen. But in practice, it doesn’t seem to work that way. It’s just human nature, most people seem to show their true colors over time – not just in regards to sluttiness but for all sorts of characteristics. And if they don’t? (at least until it is too late to avoid major damage) Well, as Thursday said, just tip your hat.
As to the slut thing in particular, once a girl has gone through a platoon of Marines, it changes her. She’s not the same person anymore. Her approach to life, her mental state, her emotional state, lots of things – change. Many of these women are profoundly damaged, at all levels.
There is no going back. That’s a hard thing to keep under wraps indefinitely.
If you are going for the LTR, you want REAL pair bonding. You want her to have a very strong emotional attachment to you. The reality is that sluts seem to have lost this ability many guys ago. The slut will have a hard time faking the pair bonding over time. Maybe it takes a guy having experienced “good girl” pair bonding to know the difference.
I’ve seen too many cases where decent men married “former” slut women who held them in contempt, cheated on them, abandoned them, cleaned them out, you name it. Dude, it is REALLY bad. I may sound like an alarmist, but this is the real deal. This shit destroys lives, big time. And you’ve still got idiots on here posting moronic “sluts keep their husbands happy” bullshit. Really amazing how out of touch some clowns are.
I’ve never been married, but I can speak from a lot of relationship experience: a “good” girl will do whatever it takes to keep the relationship going. A slut will walk away in a heartbeat. Changing partners is just what she does, no big deal. That’s why the slut is favored for short term flings (hell, you WANT her to leave) but not for an LTR in which the man has invested greatly of his time, emotions, money, etc. It really does pay to be able to distinguish between the two, and theory aside, it can be done.
Well, Roissy, you’ve won this round. The Demon Sisterhood of Sluttery has at last been uncovered. But you’ll never discover our master plan! (Hint: it involves not sleeping with you. Then again, most women’s plans do.)
MQ:
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Thursday, I don’t judge men for wanting to sleep with an almost virginal girl OR a slut – whatever. I say that so you understand the following statements are not a judgment of your preferences.
But honestly, in my group of friends I cannot classify any one of them as a piece of trash. I am not a man, so perhaps I don’t see the worst of it. We are all in our late 20’s-early 30’s and there may be a few touching double digits for the first time, but we have all had serial boyfriends and/or husbands. We didn’t do gangbangs in college or have sex on top of a bar in Cancun.
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whiskey:
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Slutty friends, divorced parents, rocky relationship with her father, siblings who are distant, or nutty/slutty and close, flirting with lots of guys when you are not around, are all leading indicators.
After all, who a woman spends time with shapes her character the most (18 years in the home at least), and then her choice of friends also says a lot. Just like (ladies) a man’s choice in friends tells you about himself.
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Good for you.
If you know someone like Roissy, Roosh, ect. then testing is pretty easy.
Do something to annoy your girlfriend. Then put her someplace where you can deploy the Player on her.
See how she responds.
It’s called destructive testing. Use with care.
Wow, this shit is just sad.
We are all in our late 20’s-early 30’s and there may be a few touching double digits for the first time, but we have all had serial boyfriends and/or husbands. We didn’t do gangbangs in college or have sex on top of a bar in Cancun.
It’s not sluttiness, but depending on the circumstances it might be serial monogamy. For me, serial monogamy is more tolerable than sluttiness but it’s still a big warning sign in terms of finding someone for an LTR because it indicates flakiness and perhaps being a perfectionist. No man wants to date an Elaine Benes-type who dumps her boyfriends over stupid and trivial reasons. But I don’t know you or your friends, so I have no idea what your respective LTR potential is.
As a 22-year old male, my ideal partner would be relatively inexperienced (2 to 3 LTRs and no random fucks). If I’m still single 15 years from now, this will be a very unrealistic ideal if I am dating within my age-range and I’ll have to compromise. The former serial monogamist at this point will be panicking about their biological clocks and be ready to settle down so the potential risks of dating a serial monogamist won’t be as high.
You’re not getting my point. How do any of us KNOW that most people show their true colors over time? It’s confirmation bias, we are only aware of the times where we discovered people’s true colors over time. If this world is one where the truth actually is that most people can hide their true colors over time, we’d never know would we?
And people adapt with time anyway. Take Beda’s example. He used her off the cuff remarks about sleeping with guys to bust his slut. She’ll adapt and make sure not to make that mistake again if she’s smart. Plus friends share strategies to avoid being outed as a slut. So by this point in her life she may have a successful strategy down pat for hiding her sluttiness from all her future lovers. Especially if they have no access to her former social circles.
I think you guys are severely underestimating the lying skills of women by focusing on the ones who are bad at it. The bad liars may or may not be the majority, but how would we really know, as the essence of a good liar is that they never get caught.
MQ:
My thoughts exactly.
Though it’s sad in the way watching a clown getting hit by a car is sad.
You feel sick inside and a bit of faith in the basic decency of mankind dies as Bobo’s oilpainted face splatters against the side of the curb and his floppy oversized shoe bounces off the hood of the car.
Still it’s so absurd and silly, you laugh.
Still, it makes me glad I’m a drinker and smoker instead of a PUA. I don’t develop a contempt and disgust for Vintage Port Wine, Daiginjo sake, or Cohibas no matter how much I indulge in them.
Just to clarify, I’m not defending sluts or making excuses for them or saying that judging them when screening for long term relationships is wrong. I’m just saying don’t get cocky because you know more tells than the average guy. As long as our primary evidence of female sexual appetites are self-reporting and anecdotes, we’ll never know the real truth. Unlike guys, women on average know how to keep secrets and get away with lying better than men.
For example all the stats thrown around on this blog about women’s median and average numbers of partners I don’t buy. Take Beda’s slut for example, do you think she would have been honest on a survey?
You’re not getting my point. How do any of us KNOW that most people show their true colors over time? It’s confirmation bias, we are only aware of the times where we discovered people’s true colors over time.
It’s not confirmation bias when almost all the women you have dated or seen friends date have revealed themselves over time. Shit comes out. I would say over 90% of the time the truth about a woman’s past comes out. Unless the remaining 10% are really slutting it up, this means that the truth eventually comes out. As a practical matter girls just are not that disciplined. Unless you don’t send out signals that make them hypervigilant, they get lazy and let stuff slip out.
The older they are the sluttier they tend to be.
No, women’s female desire peaks in the teens or 20s (usually they don’t survey under-18 females, so we don’t know when). Search my blog for relevant terms; I reviewed a review on it once.
I also looked up how many partners a woman had in the past year, as a function of age, according to the GSS. Average number of partners increases from 18 up, peaks at 22, and declines steadily afterward.
As for frequency of having sex, that peaks between 24 and 29 — but this is now in the context of more monogamous relationships.
I’ll post the graphs after New Year’s sometime, when people will actually see it.
BTW a good time to get information out of a woman is when she has had a few drinks. The things people blurt out after a couple glasses of wine.
QT –
The reason guys don’t like a lot of partners in a woman is that they quite reasonably conclude that the odds are poor that they will be together for long. Why waste time (precious resource related to attractiveness) on a woman who will not work out.
That’s not an issue for casual sex, but a huge one for a LTR intending towards marriage.
Nothing can change that, and the more that women can “hide” lots of partners and tendencies to promiscuity, the more men will fail to commit.
After all, if women WANT a lot of men being willing to commit, they can’t “force” large groups of men to do so. They have to be attractive enough in all areas to GET the committment.
Spike/MQ — And what do you propose to do about it (i.e. poor opinions of women in general)? Stuff women do among themselves (social pressure, consensus) does not work. If you want as a social goal widespread good opinion of women and the behavior that goes with that, women will have to change their behaviors since they cannot FORCE men to feel/act differently.
Or they will just have to take the consequences of the current choices. It’s unfair (women who don’t make those choices suffer along with the rest) but there it is.
No free lunch.
“it’s sad in the way watching a clown getting hit by a car is sad.”
OK, I take it back. Spike wins.
To be fair, if I thought Roissy was actually dating anyone, I’d be upset, what with all the racism and “it’s just not right that hitting a woman or date raping her is considered a crime” psycho business. But since all of his “hot secret sexy sex” stuff is clearly taken from Cosmo and re-runs of “The Pick-Up Artist,” and all of his stories or stories from “friends” are thinly veiled tales of rejection (remember: when a girl calls you an asshole, makes fun of you, or makes it a point to tell you that she won’t be having sex with you or that will be busy every day this week, that means she LIKES you, in Imaginationland!) I am somehow not too worried. Which means it’s fun to enjoy the Carnival of Suck! Until I get bored, which is happening in 3… 2… 1… yeah, I’m going to do something else and forget that I ever read this.
Whiskey:
Let me take a big picture look at what you’re saying:
Cultural and societal pressure like slut-shaming can change widespread human social behavior that’s biologically programmed, such as promiscuity, low impulse control, and human sexual behavior in general.
Except when it can’t, like a societal policy of economic redistribution in regards to our hominid sense of exclusive productive claim.
It’s rather funny what some folks claim to be immutable biological truths of human nature, and what is simply conditioning. I never knew science so neatly dove-tailed with a certain generalized outlook towards life and politics.
But of course, science is the arbitrator of all reality. If a scientist hooks up a guy’s junk to a bonerometer and says in his study that male bisexuality doesn’t exist, he’s right and over 3,000 years of historically recorded human behavior up until the current day is just another bleeding lie before our eyes. After all, there’s no such thing as a flawed protocol, word couching or shifty definitions. Nor the admission of data which contradicts said research.
No, science is never messy *especially* on the bleeding edge of it.
*Yawn*
Time to start hitting the bottle for today.
what with all the racism and “it’s just not right that hitting a woman or date raping her is considered a crime” psycho business.
Fossilized pablum from 1994… I think you’ve been watching Higher Learning too much lately.
Quick, I hear your girlfriend barking at you to hurry up so you can make the Take Back the Night rally. Have fun holding her purse and cheering her on.
Fag.
If a scientist hooks up a guy’s junk to a bonerometer and says in his study that male bisexuality doesn’t exist
Baily proved that bisexual *desire* or bisexual *arousal* doesn’t exist — everyone knows that some guys fuck guys and girls. His discovery is that what their dick reflexively reacts to is either one or the other.
Interesting question then is why do some homos do girls? To cover up full faggotry? And why do some straight guys stick it in another guy’s butt? To reap the edgy coolness of saying he’s bi? Who knows.
Time to start hitting the bottle for today.
And don’t forget the razorblades after. That’ll cure your chronic depression.
Slashie slashie!
Actually Spike, EVERY culture (except ours, and only recently) had large social controls over sexual behavior, particularly by women.
Western societies had generally, more open and free attitudes towards women, Bernard Lewis’s “Muslim Discovery of Europe” contains contemporary accounts from the 1600’s of Muslim ambassadors to the Court at Vienna expressing horror that the Emperor himself would stop in the street, and bow towards ladies and courteously allow them to cross ahead of them. The Muslim men were scandalized.
This did not happen by accident. Humans ARE very adaptable, you will see among human societies widespread different attitudes and behaviors and traditions in different cultures.
Yes, social pressure and institutions and the like WILL on average change behavior and HAS changed behavior, radically, in less than fifty years: consider attitudes towards racism by Whites among themselves. Attitudes that were commonplace in Hollywood films are now unacceptable today. Meanwhile, in 1965 the illegitimacy rate among Whites was 4% and Blacks were only 24%, compared to 41% and 70% today respectively.
As for male bisexuality, it has been quite rare in Western men, common in Muslim societies, and fairly rare among hunter-gatherers. Like I said, human beings are quite adaptable. In both good and bad ways. Male gayness seems fairly low when access to women is generally relatively equal, as it has been in the West since about 900 AD or so. Male gayness is seen where access to women is restricted.
If you want the preservation of the nuclear family and good treatment of women/children, you better have constructed or reconstructed various cultural mores and institutions creating male investment. Lots of “slutty” behavior will only create a “West African” model seen in the British White Underclass and Black ghettos of the US in women. Lots of casual hook-ups, zero investment in women/children, men competing on being the hardest hard boy and very low levels of male cooperation.
You seem to assume if I read you right that the sum total of Western Civilization will just go on by magic fairy dust, that it will not take lots of male cooperation and stake-holding (in the form of nuclear families) to create it. That the West cannot rapidly collapse to West African levels of savagery if the nuclear family collapses.
If she does drugs or smokes, correlates with higher level of testosterone meaning she will more likely take in the ass.
Sames go for women over 30 their level of t shoots up a little.
I guess I should rewrite the tramp stamp… another obvious sign that she is kinky and is a slut.
Everything else is pretty much BS… since they are so vague and depends on the individual.
Kinda wrong but girls who were sexually abused usually are more likely to be sexually active. Sick but true fact.
Aggie:
So, Bailey proved that… and has not had a single researcher try to replicate the study, much less disprove it.
I wonder why?
Easy, if you actually looked at the fucking article. (Yeah, you got me to pay for another fucking one. You’re cutting into my booze and cigar money, little man. I bet that warms the cockles of your heart.)
The bonerometer I made a joke about is actually called a “plethysmograph”. This is the device Bailey used to make all his measurements. It isn’t something new. It’s been around for decades and was used to first root out sexual inversion. For awhile back in the 80s and 90s it was used in research into criminal sexual deviancy, until it was determined that it was near impossible to get acceptably replicable results or data from it’s usage. As such it’s no longer seriously used for that purpose and has no legal standing as court evidence. It’s still used in organic impotency research at a certain level, I’ll grant you that, but the claims and measurements there are used very differently.
It’s nearly impossible to resize correctly for the various sizes of dong out there and will register false responses for various reasons, for example the physiological response of the genitals to cold or warmth.
There’s been a long history of articles about the unreliability of the device starting from doubts first cast back in 1975 until it mostly hit scientific consensus of it’s lack of use in serious sexual research back in the mid-90s.
Mind you it took me all of fifteen minutes to find this, all while carrying a buzz. Twenty fucking articles against just the device he’s using. I didn’t even have to look at shit talking about his definitional games using the data.
You have no ability to think laterally or outside of your ideological blinders, little man.
also………………………………….
If I killed myself, would that amuse you?
You say such things from behind a nice anonymous veil.
Do you dislike me so much that you relish and giggle at the thought of me sitting drunk in the bathtub, opening my arteries and staining the water pink as my life ebbs away?
Do you like the idea of my family suffering and weeping, my ailing grandmother robbed of the peaceful notion that she’ll see me in heaven due to my self-murder?
The moment I off myself, I have a friend who will be released from a mutual bond, and she’ll be free to kill herself as well. Maybe she’ll do it with pills muttering “Damn you Spikey, damn you, you fucking promised, you asshole.” as tears roll down her cheeks.
Does all that amuse you so much you’d tell a chronically depressed person to go off himself with explicit instructions?
You’re so alpha, aren’t you, Agnostic.
Agnostic – um, dude? I’m not a dude. You, on the other hand, are pretty much indisputably into kids:
http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2008/10/teen-by-any-other-name-would-not-smell.html
You know, I’d think that you’d be a little less quick to judge “sluts” and “fags,” given that your own sexual preferences will sooner or later result in Chris Hansen showing up at your house. But, you know. That’s just me.
whiskey:
You seem to assume that I have some point I’m making about civilization in the previous comment. I don’t.
In general, civilization is always in an irreparable state by my eyes. The vast majority of people who have ever lived have had no appreciation for the finest fruits of it, instead more or less blindly groping their way from the cradle to the grave.
As such, I believe that anyone dedicated to truly enjoying and understanding civilization and culture makes himself an outsider from the vast majority of people. Sure, the majority provides the body and feet that propel humanity forward, but civilization clings precariously inside it and does not direct it.
Somewhat of a Gnostic and idiosyncratic view, admittedly, even if as a metaphor.
Your awfully sensitive for someone who claims it doesn’t matter.
My post could have been taken in two different ways.
I actually believed you were choosing non-slutty friends.
Either MQ chose non-slutty friends because she was non-slutty, so MQ’s comments about ‘women’(her friends) not being slutty don’t matter, or that she chose slutty friends because she was kind of slutty. In which case her comments are self-defense. This pretty much applies to all women. Either they don’t know what they are talking about, or they are defending themselves.
But I specifically thought MQ had non-slutty friends. One partner per year isn’t slutty…… borderline, but not slutty.
For my second comment, I think it’s a great idea. Everyone here TALKS(but doesn’t ACT in real-life) like women are porcelain dolls. They do this because all American women have an entitlement complex about giving out emotional, physical, and financial attacks to men but never recieving them from men. I’m simply being honest. I know at least one poster talked about doing something similiar. I won’t say his name because I wouldn’t want you to think badly of him too. Rest assured that I would *NEVER* admit to being willing to defend myself against a woman in real-life. It’s low class. It’s evil. In fact, it should be outlawed.
Wait. IT IS OUTLAWED!
How many men have gone to jail with a black eye, bleeding lip, and multiple arm bruises for ’striking’ their girlfriend? How many men have GONE TO THE MORGUE for failing to aggressively defend themselves against a knife-wielding girlfriend? And if they do defend themselves, how many went to jail for defending themselves?
Compared to the cost of MQ’s ‘beliefs’ in action, my destructive testing of a relationship in which I intend to invest the rest of my life is reasonable. The Rest of My Life vs. A Really Mean Test. From the perspective of someone without the blinding of super-protectiveness to all women, it’s not a hard call. And if she is a good girl, no one is hurt. Period. So I actually don’t even know why it is an issue.
Note:
22 year old with 10 partners=2 partners a year=slut
29 year old with 10 partners=1 partner a year=a fairly typical woman(who didn’t get married)
Finally, lack of sluttiness doesn’t in any way remove that fact that someone who has had +10 partners has moved beyond the point at which they are likely to form a strong bond with any single man without actually trying to. They have been with a sufficient number of men that they are now prepared to construct Franken-boyfriend, the super-duper only what she deserves imaginary boyfriend, constructed out of the (mutually exclusive) best traits of ten different men! They are also more emotionally damaged than a slut 19 year old with four partners…. because they have had more relationships blow-up. Now, the 19 year old slut will, rapidly, pass them, but they are still more damaged at that point. A lot less slutty, a lot more sane, but still more damaged. That’s another reason why women staying single isn’t such a super-great idea. Damage is cummulative, even if you aren’t a slut.
I am just going to interject to say that I made this comment orginally -
But honestly, in my group of friends I cannot classify any one of them as a piece of trash. I am not a man, so perhaps I don’t see the worst of it. We are all in our late 20’s-early 30’s and there may be a few touching double digits for the first time, but we have all had serial boyfriends and/or husbands. We didn’t do gangbangs in college or have sex on top of a bar in Cancun.
-which somehow was later attributed to MQ. Who really DID make a comment later on, but that is not me.
Whiskey, like I said, I understand the reasons. My only point in bringing this up is that I thought more women fall into this gray area than are “super-sluts”. Clearly, I don’t know what I am talking about….that’s cool. Just throwing in my two cents.
@Ryder,
“Gentlemen, Your numbers are apparent too. Your baggage is revealed in cynicism, paranoia, skepticism, or inability to trust. ….You lack genuineness.”
Why don’t you tell us why men should be willing to marry, support, and endure broken down diseased sluts?………
Ryder,
I’m not making any case for a emotionally damaged woman. I’m making the case for a “nice girl ” with few partners.
Why should an emotionally healthy woman , with few partners chose a cynical bitter man who can no longer trust. Trust and respect are the foundations of a LTR. A couple will enjoy freedoms when they can trust each other. This site is a campfire for bitter, hurt men who admonish each other to never trust. These men don’t deserve the “nice girl”.
“For example, many of those tendencies you mention among black men and black women are common traits in lower class people of all colors and cultures. It’s just that the black population has a higher proportion of poor people than probably any other race in America.”
I would disagree with that. For instance, in some countries the lower class is far more stricter about certain things than the upper class. Like, if you have sex with a woman before marriage her brothers may threaten you with death if you do not marry her.
The low-class blacks in america have lost the plot, which is why the latinos will supplant their positions of power.
Having said all that, the american Blacks still hold certain crucial advantages over the Whites, which is why in the shock of all shocks they will still in 50 years be in a better position than the whites.
Note I said that MANY of the tendencies mentioned in relation to black people are common among all lower class peoples. I didn’t say ALL. I totally accept and agree with the premise that there are social pathologies unique to blacks, and rampant illegitimacy is one of them. My point is just that when evaluating studies like that, you have to separate the parts that represent general pathologies of poor people everywhere from the traits that are unique to black culture regardless of class. With regard to the brothers example, in the hood banging some chick with a lot of brothers can still be pretty dangerous even if they aren’t going to get you to marry her.
This is a myth. With better border policies and immigration standards this would be true, but with our current lax immigration policies all we’re doing is growing a new permanent underclass because we’re bringing in a ton of gangbangers, criminals and welfare queens along with the hardworking “good” Hispanics. Read Heather MacDonald’s writings debunking a lot of the myths about the Hispanic family. They have a lot of their own social pathologies that most people don’t fully grasp yet:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_dmn-new_latino_underclass.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-06hm.html
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1008hm.html
Man people busting out David Hume into the cihper…. anyhow how about this tried and true one… ‘ask their friends’… usually the biggest haters of ‘fun-girls’ is usually other females and female friends…. A lot of girls have no trouble with saying one of their friends is a slut especially when they are competing for the same resource. So I’d say going to the expert is a good one too, aka other females… Historically the slut label is a very harmful one to have, and from my experience it was always spread by rival girls vs rival guys. It seemed like female control exerted by other females. Things getting mad serious though… damn..
I saw this hilarious list the other day http://www.singleblackmale.net/2008/02/20/9-signs-that-girl-might-be-hoe/
The best one being… “1. Your friend says … “that girls a hoe””
I’m genuinely interested. What advantages?
Still? In what way will are they now in a better relative position to whites that they will maintain for the next 50 years?
Again, those aren’t rhetorical questions. I wanna know what you’re talkng about.
cryptic ovulation is the evolutionary facilitator of cuckoldry.
men are more powerful than women simply because a man can pass along more of his genes than a woman can (she needs 9 months, he needs a few good thrusts). i think subconsciously feminists know they are full of shit.
so if you’re in a bar, is the goal to get the girls digits or to take her home? does the preferred strategy depend on the hour? the day?
janka says 1 minute convo take-home policy. janka is highly efficient.
T. AKA Ricky Raw:
“You’re not getting my point. How do any of us KNOW that most people show their true colors over time? It’s confirmation bias, we are only aware of the times where we discovered people’s true colors over time. If this world is one where the truth actually is that most people can hide their true colors over time, we’d never know would we?”
I get the point, and it’s been answered in my post and by Thursday. But beyond that, how do we KNOW anything about anyone? For example, let’s take family members and lifelong friends. How do you KNOW that your parents aren’t in fact psychopathic serial killers, or at least just plain common criminals? How do you know that the people that you care about, and believe to be good people, aren’t in fact twisted vicious psychopaths who, as we speak, are out doing horrible things? Or are plotting a horrible death for you in some cult ritual?
Well, they COULD be. It’s theoretically possible. Maybe they are just really good at appearing normal and honest, but in fact are vicious and malevolent people. Normal life ain’t Rosemary’s Baby.
People generally give away the game about themselves, at least to a good extent. Could they harbor some important secrets that they never divulge? Sure. But in general people reveal their true stripes over time. Now, of course you can counter with “How do we know that for sure, what if people are better at deception than we think?”
Your counter argument runs up against thousands of years of human experience. Let’s forget sluts in particular, and talk about people in general. For example, most people understand the difference between running with a “good crowd” and running with the “bad crowd.” The bad crowd has various markers and indicia of negative behavior. In essence, the bad crowd has tells. Some may be obvious, some more nuanced.
As humans, we have learned to notice these tells, and see trouble brewing. Your argument is in essence saying that we can’t distinguish the good crowd from the bad crowd – after all, the “good” crowd could theoretically be even WORSE than the bad crowd – just really good at covering up the horrible truth. Sure, it’s possible, but just not damn likely.
If you want to stick to your guns, then fine. But it sort of becomes like the sophomore philosophy student who claims that we can’t know anything about reality, that one can’t PROVE the existence of anything. Yet, that same person won’t jump off of a cliff or a ten story building, or run out into speeding traffic. Apparently he is quite ready to believe in a tangible reality when the chips are down. We know this because he is still alive. He wouldn’t be if he did not take head of reality, at least to a certain extent.
In short, I’m not sure that there is any conclusive and absolute “proof” in the sense that you demand. But there is a whole lot of evidence, and I think the available evidence gets us pretty close to “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Maybe that’s as good as it’s going to get.
Humans are social critters. We can have good relationships with others, and we can also get burned. It pays, big time, to trust the right people and not the wrong people. It might be helpful, instead of focusing on the issue of flushing out sluts, to instead think of this in terms of all of the other decisions you make about people in life. Who you avoid, who you want to get more involved with. Same basic principles apply. The fact that you are still alive indicates that you haven’t done a terrible job of distinguishing the good from the bad. We all have to do this as a matter of survival. You, consciously or not, utilize tells in other areas of life. Why not with sluts?
You do this despite there being no absolute proof, despite the fact that you could theoretically be wrong. You’ve done at least a good enough job to stay alive and post on Roissy.
There are no absolute guarantees, but there is a wealth of human experience and wisdom, not to mention our hardwiring. We have to go with the tools we have, both concerning sluts and in every other facet of our lives.
Anonymous:
“I’m not making any case for a emotionally damaged woman. I’m making the case for a “nice girl ” with few partners.
Why should an emotionally healthy woman , with few partners chose a cynical bitter man who can no longer trust. Trust and respect are the foundations of a LTR. A couple will enjoy freedoms when they can trust each other. This site is a campfire for bitter, hurt men who admonish each other to never trust. These men don’t deserve the “nice girl”.”
I disagree with the notion that critics of a given system, in this case our social system, necessarily have the negative qualities that you attribute to them. This idea of smearing anyone who disagrees with the prevailing orthodoxy is, quite frankly, lame. And yes, females do this much more than men: smear the critic rather than dealing with his argument. It is profoundly anti-intellectual and disingenuous.
However, I do agree that a “nice” girl (definitions may vary) deserves a good guy who can trust. However, that trust must be earned. It must rest on a solid foundation.
Our current system does have the effect of reducing trust. When you have a system that encourages numerous partners, obviously people are going to be getting burned en masse. That’s just reality, and that tends to erode trust. So don’t blame the critics for what the system itself encourages. Which is another way of saying, don’t hate the playa, hate the game!
T.:
Regarding the low number of median partners for women in the U.S., I think you may be generalizing a bit too much from your own experience, as those numbers seem entirely plausible to me. I think it all depends on what part of the country you live in and in which circles you run. There _are_ huge pockets of promiscuity out there. I would estimate that outright sluts make up a full 30-40% of the female population. That’s a lot. And women in NYC seem to screw around a lot more than women elsewhere. But out in more conservative areas, there are a lot of women who have one or two long term boyfriends and then find someone they want to settle down with.
To Mr. Raw:
I agree about confirmation bias. I would suggest the best way to out most women as liars is to hire a private investigator or, failing that, know how to do most of that work yourself. My past life as a… shall we say information liberator… is quite useful with regard to that. People lie a lot more than you would suspect on the surface if you have the tools to fact check what they are saying.
I am very much not joking. People are not trustworthy, in most cases.
Whiskey:
1 – Good point on good women being punished for the misbehavior of bad women. Because it is hard to distinguish sluts and whores from decent women, when the percentage of sluts and whores increases, men tend to assume the worst about everyone. This is actually a pretty basic game theory problem related to the lemon vs. good car problem; until there is some authority as to which girls are “quality” girls and which girls are “lemons”, the expected outcome would be men fleeing the market in greater and greater numbers until it breaks down completely.
2 – To your question about what to do in response to enforce this: overhaul the marriage code to make it so that there is only financial settlement in “at fault” divorces, and make the “at fault” standard relatively high; make it harder to get married in the first place and make prenuptial agreements mandatory and covering no-fault divorce so that, before they are married, the assets are already spoken for on a divorce (which would make men realize how much their wives could walk away with at the drop of a hat, and likely spawn a pretty strong pushback on no-fault “theft”); require paternity testing in all cases for children so that men cannot be legally required to support non-biological and non-adopted children; give men the ability to “opt out” on supporting children (a one-time, permanent decision made after they are notified about the pregnancy to put them on equal standing with women having the right to abort children without the consent of the male partner); make cuckoldry a felony comparable to spousal abuse and punishable by a significant amount of time in jail and permanent loss of custody of all children.
Just a rough outline off the top of my head. That would enforce a pretty strong standard of behavior on both sides of the marriage market, and would criminalize a lot of behavior that should be prohibited. It would make people think a lot harder about getting married in the first place, and think a lot harder about fucking up once they were married.
Thursday,
Good point about the median / mean number of men that women have slept with. I would expect it to vary dramatically by geography (central Idaho != DC).
Comment_MQ:
“That’s another reason why women staying single isn’t such a super-great idea. Damage is cummulative, even if you aren’t a slut.”
There is a lot of truth to this, which is why our current system is so disastrous for most people. One obvious solution is to facilitate early marriage. Another less obvious solution is to accept delayed marriage, but to have such strong societal institutions discouraging promiscuity that
Kip wrote: “Sluts gives gifts for the same reason they give pussy, for the same reason betas buy gifts: manipulation.
Many a PUA has noted that gift buying isn’t nice, it’s manipulative. The same is true of sluts and their gifts (pussy or otherwise).”
I think this is the most win comment on the subject thus far, which I’ll combine with the dismissive, “bitch has low self esteem; needs to buy a man’s affections” statement most people say about sluts. Gifts are generally pretty creepy. I was once countered in a dumping with the offer of future (absurdly costly) gifts. This gave me a lot of sympathy for women who dump men who provide for them. Them “nice guys” who buy women houses and cars are really just renting a hole.
spike But of course, science is the arbitrator of all reality. If a scientist hooks up a guy’s junk to a bonerometer and says in his study that male bisexuality doesn’t exist, he’s right and over 3,000 years of historically recorded human behavior up until the current day is just another bleeding lie before our eyes. After all, there’s no such thing as a flawed protocol, word couching or shifty definitions. Nor the admission of data which contradicts said research.
Spike cosign
300 clearly left out the bi behavior amongst the men of Sparta. Instead, the people of Persia were stamped sexual deviants.
Human sexuality is not all black and white. There is a lot of gray there.
Actually, I thought in your case human sexuality was all black, pun intended.
Comment_MQ:
“That’s another reason why women staying single isn’t such a super-great idea. Damage is cummulative, even if you aren’t a slut.”
There is a lot of truth to this, which is why our current system is so disastrous for most people. One obvious solution is to facilitate early marriage. Another less obvious solution (but in my opinion probably the better one) is to accept delayed marriage, but to have strong societal institutions discouraging promiscuity so that people are far less damaged when they enter marriage, even if they are older when they head to the church. Think Jane Austen.
The Jane Austen type of society isn’t mere myth, and it wasn’t strictly limited to the upper classes. It is true that in most traditional societies across the planet, women tended to be married off very, very young. But in Europe, particularly northern Europe, this was not necessarily the case. For centuries, the age at marriage for women was not that much different than today – which is to say late. Yet the illegitimacy rate was negligible, this in a society where birth control was basically unknown and women typically married well into their twenties. Upon marriage they proceeded to have huge families. And they didn’t have to force the women to wear burkhas or impose sharia law to get it done. Instead they had probably the most “woman friendly” society on the planet.
It all seems counterintuitive from our modern vantage point, but it happened. Our modern propaganda machine has filled us with so many falsehoods that it is difficult to break from the matrix. We believe so many things that simply aren’t true. Even in posters who are out of the box thinkers, I often see politically correct premises hidden in their writing. It’s a tough habit to break. I’m sure I do it too. Doesn’t make it true.
Counterintuitive or not, for a good long time Western society was able to achieve something quite remarkable – a relatively free society that also curtailed promiscuity and destructive behavior – and yet kept the collective cradle full. At least amongst certain white societies, this was actually achieved in the real world.
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-which somehow was later attributed to MQ. Who really DID make a comment later on, but that is not me.
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Well, that was sad.
I need to keep track of the two letter females more carefully.
We have three now that I know of.
MQ, QT, and eh
I apologize to MQ. However, it’s not like I spend an hour writing these things.
^^^^MQ is a male.
“Instead, the people of Persia were stamped sexual deviants.”
The people of Persia were far more homosexual oriented than any of the ancient Greeks (who were hardly monolithic in their sexual practises).
Lupo, point well noted. That does not excuse the filmmaker omitting the fact that Spartans like to mix it up as well.
Chic: “Human sexuality is not all black and white. There is a lot of gray there.”
Lupo: “The people of Persia were far more homosexual oriented than any of the ancient Greeks (who were hardly monolithic in their sexual practises).”
When it comes to male homosexuality the historical accounts always struck me as spurious and the gives me the same suspicious feeling I had when I was first introduced to Margaret Mead’s apocryphal “Coming of Age in Samoa” in high school.
And regarding the stuff about straight guys temporarily entering into homosexual relationships or partaking in homosexual sex act in prison. Seems more like an urban legend.
My bullshit detector starts going off like crazy.
I don’t if this has been settled here year, but blacks of both genders have more sex due to higher testosterone, among other racial differences. It also explains the high crime rate. I believe IQ & amount of partners have a negative correlation too and blacks have lower IQs. This is all pretty standard stuff for all of us interested in HBD.
It also explains the high crime rate.
Testosterone levels play a role in higher crime rate?
Nah. When it comes to the black community and crime, you only need to look as far as the out-of-wedlock birth rate and the single mother household rate to really understand why black American’s have a higher per capita crime rate than any other ethnic group in the country.
Annonymous
I don’t if this has been settled here year, but blacks of both genders have more sex due to higher testosterone, among other racial differences. It also explains the high crime rate. I believe IQ & amount of partners have a negative correlation too and blacks have lower IQs. This is all pretty standard stuff for all of us interested in HBD.
Yet so many high IQ whites and Asians males read a blog about how to get more pus*Y. SMH
If Black men have a lot of partners it could be because a lot of women are throwing themselves at them??? After all, they are sexual crème of the crop due to the Mandingo myth. Sadly, there are not enough men like Tiger Woods and Will Demps who can brag about having a big dIc.k and high SAT score.
@Dave from Hawaii- You got it.
Is it any wonder that OOW children is taboo in most of Africa. How many African women do you find who have OOW children?
Spike — if your brain weren’t permanently deranged from drugs, you could see why you’re wrong. Everyone knows there’s measurement error. We don’t use the kind of telescopes that Galileo did.
But think through what you’re saying: that for every item of porn a person was shown, the device systematically erred in only detecting erections to one type of porn, rather than both. Moreover, it did so across all subjects tested.
Error by definition is random, so we can’t chalk this up to imprecise machinery. Was it biased — did it have a mind of its own, and want the results to come out a certain way? Again, just think it through.
And it is still used in research on sexual deviancy. There are recent articles that use it to see whether a sex offender is a pedophile or ephebophile, and it tells you what their criminal offenses tell you.
Do you dislike me so much that you relish and giggle at the thought of me sitting drunk in the bathtub, opening my arteries and staining the water pink as my life ebbs away?
Etc.
Dude, you realize that you practically masturbated when you wrote that tirade, right? That’s all suicide-talk is to you — a way of getting a quick fix of pity and consolation from strangers (see your comments on Clio’s blog, for example). You’re sicker than I thought.
I know you’d never kill yourself: 1) you can’t accomplish what you start; and 2) you’re too addicted to pity hugs from internet strangers to leave them behind.
Try to learn from David Alexander and at least be funny when you do this.
chic – The stats absolutely back it up. Look at the overflowing prisons and you’ll find a common denominator of the majority of the criminals, black, white, mexican, whatever…the majority come from fatherless homes.
Here’s a free, online book, The Garbage Generation, Read this and you’ll understand EXACTLY what Roissy and others here are talking about when we discuss how unleashed and uncontrolled female sexuality is destructive to the overall fabric of an orderly society.
I’ll back Dave up on this one.
Fatherless homes are far more likely to produce criminal children than either Motherless homes or complete nuclear family homes, on average.
The stats absolutely back it up. Look at the overflowing prisons and you’ll find a common denominator of the majority of the criminals, black, white, mexican, whatever…the majority come from fatherless homes.
Oh Dave, I agree big-time. I’ve a number of studies proving this to be true. I think those studies prove that a boy needs a farther to teach him how to be a man.
I’ve noticed there is a personality difference between men from the hood who have some contact with their farther versus those who were completely abandoned by their fathers.
@Agnostic- Some men don’t like p0rn. What about women, would such a study work to determine their sexuality?
Aggie:
Uh yeah, which is why there’s 20 articles by my count in medical, forensic and psychological journals talking about the infeasibility of the plethysmograph as a scientific device, leading to it’s discarding by serious researchers into sexuality in the late 90s.
So I didn’t touch the actual data from the report yet, give a man enough rope to hang himself, I always say.
Let’s start with the definitions. Bailey et al didn’t use self-reported sexual identity, it was assigned arbitrarily from the barrage of answers given on a questionaire, hence from the start, Bailey is defining who is gay, straight and bisexual via fiat. He also completely ignored the Kinsey distinctions of bisexual leanings to one side or another, which in previous statistical research was the vast majority of active male bisexuals. True Kinsey 3s are incredibly rare. In light of that, it’s not surprising that one side or the other gets off more from gay porn or straight porn.
Secondly, the sample size was incredibly tiny. Of the men assigned “bisexual”, there were only 33. Of the 33, 11 men failed to have any response whatsoever on the plethysmograph. By that token, a near plurality of bisexual men are actually asexual!
Let me repeat, he massively *fudges* the data, then hides it in a footnote that his conclusions are based on the 22 that registered a response.
Another interesting footnote. Three of the 25 men assigned homosexual who had a response had zero response to homosexual porn, yet registered a response to hetrosexual porn (which was of two girls getting it on).
To any reasonable scientist this would evidence massive methodological flaws in application and measurement, not a solid conclusion but Bailey can just handwave it, because you know, he’s right.
Besides, he’s been censured by his peers for ethical lapses in his previous research, so I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that there’s even more fudge behind the data that isn’t footnoted.
Shit, one of his frequent collaborators (Blanchard) is on Quackwatch for God’s sake. You’re basically hitting Deepak Chopra territory here.
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Also, the idea of someone posting here to get pity made me laugh out loud. Really, you’d have to be somewhat socially retarded to think you’d get any pity here of all places. No, what you see is me merely exercising my incredibly bad habit of saying exactly what I think and feel complete with salient biographical details.
The idea of someone posting here anonymously to engage in all sorts of chest-beating, bragging and shit talking that would get him a quick call to the floor in real life, on the other hand, is depressingly plausible.
The reason that children raised without fathers turn out to be criminal is more due to the genes they inheret than the enviornment. If I’m the kind of guy to drop my sperm and bail, then the genes I give my kid will lead to a higher chance he’ll be a psychopath or a loser. A social scientist will come along and say “if only the kid had a father!” and he’ll miss the point.
How to test this theory? See what happens when kids are adopted. Do they turn out more like their biological parents or the parents who raised them? Its been done, and nature won.
http://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0142003344/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230787906&sr=8-1
Of course, culture can make things worse, just look at what’s happened in all Western nations in the last 50 years, particularly American blacks. Liberalism has been a curse on all of us, but hits those with low IQs, individuals and races, the hardest.
Liberalism has been a curse on all of us, but hits those with low IQs, individuals and races, the hardest.
So in other words, white people have to regress and give up their freedom in order to have successful minority communities?
1st comment.
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Roissy, can you add to that list… they move to different cities… often… I’ve seen this a bit where the only way to get rid of the rep is to ghost out of town like Swayze….”
When you hear anything similar to “Town X is better for a weekend party than the town we are in”, know that once she is your girlfriend, and you happen to take her to that town, you will be greeted by a salute brigade bigger than what the president gets on 4th of July…
Rest assured, all these men got more from her and easier than you..
loooooooooooool , i got a lot of clicks from this and I thought, my god he sighted me as a slut, the good girl that I am, how dare he, but u didn’t , it’s just I was listed in the related articles below, so once I figured out you hadn’t listed me as one of these ’sluts’ , I read on……… fabulous, really, this was incredible to read from another woman’s perspective and I have to agree with you …….. 100%
Spike,
Could you start providing links to your many assertions about Michael Bailey? I’m familiar with the controversy when some transsexuals accused him of unethical conduct in research. But I also know the accusers are livid about his theory about what transsexualism and autogynephilia and therefore they want to take him down. They feel personally affronted. They aren’t objective.
Read Wikipedia’s Michael Bailey page and elsewhere. Show me where Nortwestern University “censured” him.
BTW, Bailey’s team has begun using fMRI to investigate sexual orientation. Technological advances enable better ways to measure sexual arousal by directly watching the brain and fMRI is a powerful tool. But sometimes researchers have to use cheaper and older tools because budgets are limited. Hardly a reason to slam them in my view.
You can also read a New York Times story on the controversy surrounding Bailey’s research.
“When it comes to male homosexuality the historical accounts always struck me as spurious and the gives me the same suspicious feeling I had when I was first introduced to Margaret Mead’s apocryphal “Coming of Age in Samoa” in high school.”
Reading the primary sources clears up an awful lot of confusion on this subject. For example, my liberal pals were recently trying to tell me that gay marriage had historical precedent. They apparently hadn’t read the actual primary sources, which were hilariously saying something rather different. An awful lot of writing on historical homosexuality is the literary equivalent of modern day rap music dudes calling their enemies, “faggot.” Other sources which allegedly sang praises of gay sex were actually singing the praises of friendship. It’s quite annoying when people appropriate, say, Plato and friends as being a bunch of fairies, when in fact he was a lot more Fred Phelps than Harvey Milk.
There was a lot of rogering of adolescent boys going on in that part of the world of course. Persian poetry is filled with it, and it’s said much of Greek pederasty was acquired by conquest of Persia. It’s not clear how gay the Spartans were. I’m guessing the traditions were different at different times in their history.
Randall:
Thanks for asking nicely. Unfortunately, the main reason I held off on making a full post was simply due to the nature of the perceived audience (surely you can’t say putting time in for a tightly constructed and evidenced argument for a guy who makes jokes about you offing yourself is a worthwhile investment of free time or liable to change anyone’s mind) as well as the simple reason of time it would take to make a decently supported argument for my assertions. Unlike most bloggers, I’m really scrupulous and doubly skeptical when it comes to sources. I need ever assertion down chapter and verse, and all that. Given the hullabaloo with Bailey, separating the wheat from the chaff is going to take a while, though from my short inquiries into his methodology and professional ethics history (I’m not counting stuff like the assertion he had sexual improprieties with a subject, I’m talking things I can verify like his failure to properly submit his research proposal and create and distribute proper consent forms for the usual human subject research overview approval before embarking on it). Like you, I’m not interested in hysteria, but the old saw about outstanding claims needed outstanding evidence holds true (more on that in my actual post).
I mostly post here when I hit a bloc in my own fiction writing or just want to take a cathartic break, which explains some of the massive tone and language shifts in my posting history. Due to that and the fact I’m going to be busy for the following few days with other activities, I won’t be able to address your concerns right away.
Since this post will have long since become a dead thread by then, I’ll put it up on my blog and notify you when I do. What say you to that?
Really though, I think the methodology of just the particular study in question is damning enough in regards to the strong conclusions he makes. A better tag would have been “Gay, straight, or Asexual” given the results. (and no, I’m not expecting perfect experimental results, it’s just the particular amount of fudge factor there given the sample size and what was done with the data.)
Spike,
You aren’t just writing to Roissy. You are writing to every person who is reading this post’s comments. So Roissy’s own comments are really besides the point when it comes to the quality of your own claims about the subject matter. You are trying to pose as having more expert understanding. When someone does that I expect them to perform to a higher standard. If you want to strike the pose then walk the talk.
Also, you continue in your response to me to make more assertions. Why dig deeper if you aren’t going to back it up?
You are also slamming the character of a researcher in human sexuality. You even admit you can’t support your assertions. Why make them in the first place then?
Look, there’s a lot to the Michael Bailey debate and I’ve read a lot more than I’ve linked to. Whether he followed right ethical standards isn’t even the most important question as far as the debate here is concerned. The chief question is whether his theories are correct.
I do not see repetition of slams on his character as productive. These slams were originally advanced by people with hurt feelings about their own personality identities since his theory on why they are the way they are is offensive to them. But is his theory on transsexualism and autogynephilia correct? I do not know. But I’m more interested in that question (which has a factual answer we’ll know some day) than in the emotional reactions of some subset of transsexuals.
Similarly, the claim that there are few bisexuals is an interesting one, far more interesting and important than the attacks on Bailey. Are people who engage in bisexual behavior really homo or hetero but with high sex drives and high novelty seeking desire? The explanation seems very plausible to. People with very high sex drives exist. Also, people with heavy thrill and novelty seeking behavior exist and evidence points to dopamine receptor involvement (and that’s not the only line of evidence implicating dopamine receptors).
You are writing to every person who is reading this post’s comments.
Well then, here’s a vote saying he’s doing pretty well.
But I’m more interested in that question (which has a factual answer we’ll know some day) than in the emotional reactions of some subset of transsexuals.
And you don’t see similarity here? At roissy’s we have a bunch of men who are *very* eager to not be seen as the slightest bit gay. So, there’s *one* unrepeated study that *could* be *interpreted* as *tentative* evidence that there are only strictly straight and gay men and suddenly it’s established fact to these men who we’ve usually seen being very critical and skeptical about similar psychological studies… eh?
Men are not very good at all at recognizing when they’re being emotionally biased.
jaakkeli,
You are imagining a non-existent need in this context. You say:
First off, yes, most heterosexual men are eager not to be seen as the slightest bit gay. But what does this have to do with how many true bisexuals there are?
I’m not feeling the emotional bias here. If 10% of men were bisexual (far more than are homosexual) I wouldn’t feel a greater need to indicate to the world that I’m heterosexual. Why should I?
The more obvious bias comes from foolish predictable behavioralists (aka social environmentalists) trying to claim that sexuality is a lot more mutable than it is. With rare exception males have their sexual orientation from a very early age. This is yet another subject about human nature on which the behaviorists were wrong.
Fair enough QT, I’ve long lost track of what the argument is myself.
My own perspective, society runs real risks with the type of stuff Comment_MQ above states. I agree most women don’t fall into “super-slut” type territory, but enough partners and the “Frankenboyfriend” Comment_MQ talks about is quite probable, leading to high divorce rates or not any marriage at all, and single motherhood is not something you find in successful societies.
Drudge has something up now about the booze-related emergencies in the UK, picture after picture of “glassed” guys with blood all over them and women passed out on the street in the freezing cold. Disgraceful. From a nation known 40 years ago for it’s stiff upper lip.
Chic — Spartan behavior was aimed completely from preventing dynasties from arising. Considering that Sparta for 700 years could boast they had never been ruled by foreign or domestic tyrants that’s a pretty impressive record.
Is human sexuality very plastic? Within a broad spectrum of cultures, yes, in that you can find rigid sex roles and suppression of gay/lesbian sex, in some cultures and widespread acceptance in others. However WITHIN cultures this is not true, and cultures arise to adapt to environmental and social constraints.
Generally, men vastly prefer women, except for the few who are gay (far less than the 10% estimated by gay advocacy groups). Gay sex is a coping mechanism for violent and dangerous men deprived women. We can see this by the huge amount of fights over women noted in particularly Western Culture. From Helen of Troy to the English conquest of Ireland (basically started by Irish kings fighting over a woman and inviting a Norman mercenary, Strongbow, to settle the fight).
If men were far more inclined to gay sex along a continuum they would not FIGHT to the DEATH over women. Look at Pitcairn Island, a subject I’ve blogged about. Not a man was willing to console himself with gay sex and instead all but one killed each other.
You can’t get more definitive than that: when Western men have even theoretical access to women they will kill and risk death rather than indulge in gay sex.
Anon: Re single mothers, look at Britain’s White underclass. In 1950, crime rates were extremely low among them, and now they skyrocket. Same genetic pool. Only thing that changed was culture.
Jaakkeli — “At roissy’s we have a bunch of men who are *very* eager to not be seen as the slightest bit gay.”
Excellent observation. By classic game theory men should theoretically welcome exits from competition for women, and encourage gayness and as many gay men as possible. Why is it then that gay men generally encounter a great deal of dislike among straight men?
The answer I think is that women tend to classify as “gay” men who are not Alpha, and most men simply cannot be Alpha. Solution? Ruthlessly suppress gay men. Bonus — it shows to women who is boss wrt the “violence veto” men possses.
This as Randall Parker notes does not address how many and how widespread bisexuality really is among men and various breakdowns of males (Hispanic, White, Black, income/education levels, etc.)
The people who promote sex-as-continuum tend most to be women, and various beta-enablers, plus the sort of “Alpha” like Clinton (slicksters not dominators) or Obambi who pander to women’s emotionalism. Women want a reason to reject non-dominant Alpha men and offer a “continuum” theory to justify it, ironically creating the sort of anti-Gay feelings that they decry.
“Why is it then that gay men generally encounter a great deal of dislike among straight men?
The answer I think is that women tend to classify as “gay” men who are not Alpha, and most men simply cannot be Alpha. Solution? Ruthlessly suppress gay men. Bonus — it shows to women who is boss wrt the “violence veto” men possses.”
Very interesting hypothesis whiskey.
Goddamn roissy, you’re so stupid when it comes to this issue, you absolutely KILL me. STOP FUCKING SHAMING WOMEN (this way).
Randall:
Uh, why are you so insistent I post it here? Roissy hasn’t said a word about this little turn in the debate, and he’s made it known in the past that he hates when threads that have digressed from the original post subject keep on-going ad-nauseum, hence I’m just playing by what I think he’d prefer. Since he’s the boss devil here, if he wants me to post it here on this thread when I’m done, I will, otherwise I’m not going to go out of my way to irritate him in that particular respect, because I think he has a point.
As it is, the original post was aimed at just Aggie, and you’re the only one who’s cared enough to reply to it seriously (I don’t count Aggie’s response as serious). If you’re really serious about reading a case why this particular scientific article is dubious even when being extraordinarily generous, then it can’t hurt to read it at my blog. I mean, I’m not that hard to find, as previous posters have gone on to show.
But on to some of your concerns. Like I stated in the original reply to you, I have no interest in hysteria or moral panic. That’s why I’m staying away from all concerns about Bailey outside of his professional conduct and activities (the both are intertwined). What I have seen that’s completely documented doesn’t lend me much confidence.
First off, some of my assertions are from the said study itself. Go and buy yourself a PDF version of it. Distance yourself a bit from the debate and say “In another study not so ideologically loaded, would I accept what’s being done with the data, how the sample was drawn, and how the parameters were defined?”
Those three are the biggies right there and it has nothing to do with Bailey’s character, just the study on bisexual arousal in question.
I really haven’t looked into the details of his study on transsexuals as I haven’t read the book, nor have the ability to get it here in Japan. I completely withhold personal judgement on the validity of his argument is in that regard. He may or may not be right so far as I’m concerned. Certainly the consensus of the reviews from his peers in sexology published before the entire scandal aspect broke was that the book was groundbreaking and well written, but there were strong problems with generalizations, arguments unsupported by the data and lack of distance between the researcher and the subjects. These aren’t killer problems. If anything it came up quite a bit more often in my academic field than in his, to even the most well respected scholars. All in all the early reviews paint a mixed bag.
However, given the criticisms of the presented I’ve focused more on his methodology. Part of methodology is experimental ethics. It’s quite conclusive from the evidence given by Northwestern University itself that he failed in that regard, which leads one to suspect the quality of the work.
Let me give you an example. When I was doing my field research to be publicly presented in grad school, the first thing I did after getting my subject approved by the department committee was write up a secondary research proposal and “consent to be interviewed” sheet to submit to the school academic research board for human studies. This was just for interviewing priests and laypeople about their historical recollections in regards to Shinto Shrines, mind you. The process and work was much more detailed for matters dealing with medical history and/or sexuality. While the rules and submission process are not uniform between academic institutions, one of the huge bylines for all researchers is the matter of recorded informed consent (via signature) and allowing subjects to know that their privacy will be protected.
This is pretty much standard procedure for any work you intend to publish or present on. No ifs ands or buts. It’s not something you can forget to do. That said, one of the subjects profiled in Bailey’s book Angelica Kieltyka asserted that no informed consent was given and in fact she had no idea that she was the subject of research. On November 12, 2003, C.B. Moore, head of research at Northwestern mailed a letter to say his department had completed its investigation into the matter and found that Bailey had not obtained informed consent.
Your response may be “So what?” Well, it’s like saying “So what?” to a chemist who doesn’t carefully check his apparatus before beginning an experiment even if nothing goes wrong. It’s stupid, careless and it leads to poor to disastrous results, in this case, no one in the field will buy his conclusion and transsexual study is forever hobbled by sense of researcher distrust. He shat not only where he himself eats, but where a lot of people in his field eat.
That sort of mistake or overlook is so large and glaring, one begins to question the smaller aspects of methodology as well. Looking at just the study itself and even disregarding the plethysmograph contention (which will take me some time, as I don’t seriously cite something until I can read it firsthand), I’ve provided you with some. I’m not going to speculate on reasons why the methodology in this particular study are flawed, as I don’t know Bailey firsthand.
Will that suffice for now?
Randall:
Also, I tend to agree that male bisexuals are rarer than female ones. I also believe that most of them lean more towards one side or another in arousal response and even more so romantic response. True 3s are hen’s teeth. What I do think is bunkum is the notion of “Gay, straight, or lying” in response to arousal.
I actually find your hypothesis much more plausible (and testable) than Bailey’s assertion.
The people who promote sex-as-continuum tend most to be women, and various beta-enablers, plus the sort of “Alpha” like Clinton (slicksters not dominators) or Obambi who pander to women’s emotionalism. Women want a reason to reject non-dominant Alpha men and offer a “continuum” theory to justify it, ironically creating the sort of anti-Gay feelings that they decry.
I think you’re confusing “sex-as-continuum” with the notion of sexual preference as a fluid entity. The latter is what is really pushed by the crowd you’re talking about. For the vast majority of men, going gay is simply not an option because the mental image of performing sex acts with men turns their stomachs.
And your idea that women are turned off by intelligence in a man is bunk. All other things equal, intelligence is a minor plus.
Sometimes I wonder if White Americans are more anti- intellectual than other White peoples. When I went to high school, straight A students were clearly disliked out of envy, not as much because of their perceived refusal to dedicate themselves 100% to popularity games among students.
Based on the fact that half the intellectual heavy lifting in the USA is done by Asians and Jews despite their status as small minorities, I might venture to guess that something similar may be going on among Whites as is going on among Blacks and Hispanics. Namely that studying hard is seen as deviating from group norms. Hence young White Americans salivate at the though of becoming lawyers and business executives instead of engineers and scientists. I find Half Sigma’s attitudes particularly disgusting in this respect. In my opinion the legal profession is but a necessary evil.
Namely that studying hard is seen as deviating from group norms.
Or actually appearing nerdy. Getting into a good law or business school does take studying hard. But there is no such thing as a business nerd. Law nerds exist in small numbers.
Markku,
I think the real issue causing the greater interest in law / business vs. engineering / science is simple.
Look at the wages in each profession. Unsurprisingly, people are crowding into the ones with the highest wages.
People always, always respond to incentives.
Markku, I think the only thing that comes close to a business nerd would be Quant Finance. But I would tend to agree.. the currency in B school is the ability to verbally articulate and persuade, this usually weeds out most nerds.
I will say… there are a massive amount of Engineers who after Undergrad/Graduate school have decided to break from that and go to B school.
There is definitely a lot of pressure in the minority community to not look like a nerd when you are in school. You have this dual pressure of performing well because you can, and performing well socially. If you are lucky enough to have the be popular, have the gift of gab, and play sports, then you are in the green. If you are from a rough neighborhood you end up running 2 fronts, and learn how to speak street and queens English at the same time. This of course only happens if you are socially aware and well adjusted and just happen to be smart.
I’ve met finance and econ nerds, people who just love discussing and obsessing finance and econ for the fun of it. Lot of them peruse blogs that are to business what this blog is to dating. I tried these blogs, and admittedly they were way over my head. Two of my friends are especially like this, and if you get them together it’s pretty much all the talk about to the exclusion of everyone else in the room.
“the american Blacks still hold certain crucial advantages over the Whites,
I’m genuinely interested. What advantages?”
-hey, well one of the advantages is the Blacks, with all their problems and their degraded underclass (which in some parts of the country is actually normal) still have higher birth rates than whites. You can take this fact and spawn off a few more bullet points from it. there are other advantages of course besides this.
“which is why in the shock of all shocks they will still in 50 years be in a better position than the whites. ”
Still? In what way will are they now in a better relative position to whites that they will maintain for the next 50 years?”
-the reason I say ’still’ is because I am writing when analyzing the current trends, including the birth rates which become progresively advantageous. I would even today rate them as having a slight advantage to whites if only because of birth rate. Whites obviously have more money but as the current recession will starkly reveal, this is a transient thing.
I believe that US blacks’ birth rates are just a hair over replacement, and US whites’ are just a hair under replacement, so birthrates alone aren’t much of a factor in any relative black vs whites advantages.
And their relative numbers are way too lopsided for minor differentials in birthrates to be a big deal. Besides, birth rates can change on a dime from one generation to the next.
Plus, if you throw in Mestiozos with 50% or more white lineage, white/Asian mixed kids, and Arabs/Middle Easterners should their children secularize away from Islam, you’re taking about a very growing white population.
But seriously, I appreciate your clarification, but your premise is all wrong. There is no black vs white competition in the US. Instead, blacks’ fate is very much tied to the success of the larger white population.
“Note I said that MANY of the tendencies mentioned in relation to black people are common among all lower class peoples. I didn’t say ALL. I totally accept and agree with the premise that there are social pathologies unique to blacks, and rampant illegitimacy is one of them. My point is just that when evaluating studies like that, you have to separate the parts that represent general pathologies of poor people everywhere from the traits that are unique to black culture regardless of class. With regard to the brothers example, in the hood banging some chick with a lot of brothers can still be pretty dangerous even if they aren’t going to get you to marry her.”
-okay we can agree on this. I was just making a point that the black underclass did not have to take the route that it chose to take (I would say the decision was made in the late sixties and early seventies). I would even say that what we are talking about is specific to the 1.american 2. black 3. underclass – specific to particular subgroup of a particular race of a particular nation who made a collective decision to kill itself, at a particular point in time of its history. I’m being serious when I say that – some of what you see here cannot be fully attributed to either black culture in general or poor people throughout the globe – its more a specific situation.
“This is a myth. With better border policies and immigration standards this would be true, but with our current lax immigration policies all we’re doing is growing a new permanent underclass because we’re bringing in a ton of gangbangers, criminals and welfare queens along with the hardworking “good” Hispanics. Read Heather MacDonald’s writings debunking a lot of the myths about the Hispanic family. They have a lot of their own social pathologies that most people don’t fully grasp yet:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_dmn-new_latino_underclass.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-06hm.html
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1008hm.html”
-I am not entirely disagreeing with you, but the fact remains , black vs. latino crime rates are still substantially different, I think 1/9 young black males in prison vs. 1/36 young hispanic males – significant difference ***if only for the fact that it indicates that the black underclass has little if any control of itself while the latino underclass does have some discipline***
-What that means, is that while yes, the hispanics will form a permanent underclass that will have its gangbangers etc, it will still be capable of ***growing***, even with all these problems. The blacks, as I said before, will survive, but I think they will survive at their current level, which, to return to the earlier premise, means the hispanics will gain more and more power as their numbers increase, including political clout, often at the expense of the black underclass.
-to see the difference between the black and latino underclass, here is one article to read
http://www.laweekly.com/2007-12-13/news/l-a-gangs-nine-miles-and-spreading/6
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Recently, in Jordan Downs, a Grape Street clique rebuffed by a 14-year-old boy who refused to join gang-raped his 12-year-old sister, taped the attack, and showed the video to the boy. The boy gave in and joined. Older gang members and veteran police say the neighborhoods are codeless and anarchic. “The hood is lost because we ain’t got no guidance right now,” a hardcore Bounty Hunter Blood told me. “It’s just us young gangsters.”
The differences between black and Latino gangs are stark. And the black gang members I spoke with readily admit that the difference is fatal. Damien Hartfield, the former Bounty Hunter, explained, “Blacks do what they want. When Latinos go gangbanging they have a solid plan. Blacks don’t go to war like that. It’s spontaneous. Something just happens. Latinos make a call, make a plan. They have a structure.”
LAPD Chief Bratton admits he is bewildered by how anarchic L.A.’s black gangs have become.
“African-American violence is totally out of proportion to their numbers,” he said. “With Latinos, there is so much more family structure, while it’s not as if blacks rally around the African-American community just because they are black. They associate more with their gang colors than they do with their own color as African-Americans. It’s almost as if they lost identities as African-Americans.”
Watts and neighboring Compton, historically and famously black neighborhoods, are already roughly 70 percent Hispanic. Hispanic gangs know they don’t need to wage war against black gangs. They are happy to wait it out as black gangs sabotage themselves. Gangbangers in Watts tell me they know they can’t keep up. And they know their fate.
“Ten years from now gangs from all other races besides Hispanic are going to be pushed out of everywhere,” Andre says.
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of course, after all that, the Blacks should still be allright because they still have big big numbers in the southeast where even though they still are a violent lot, its not – yet – reached the point like in L.A.
“Plus, if you throw in Mestiozos with 50% or more white lineage, white/Asian mixed kids, and Arabs/Middle Easterners should their children secularize away from Islam, you’re taking about a very growing white population.
But seriously, I appreciate your clarification, but your premise is all wrong. There is no black vs white competition in the US. Instead, blacks’ fate is very much tied to the success of the larger white population.”
I think whites rates are at 1.9, blacks at 2.1 (replacement). I never said Blacks would be victorious or anything like that, but -to help further clarify my point – I still see blacks as being in the more advantageous position if solely because the trends for them will be stable while whites will continue to be at a down-slope (granted all this can change within mere years, but this is my current analysis at this juncture in time)
Secondly, I would question your belief in the Mestizo/Arab ties to the Whites. First of all, Arabs are already counted as whites in the census, but because of the well-known and mostly religious hostilities at play, I mark them down as non-white which further decreases the white percentages. And I doubt Mestizos will ally themselves – for instance, I know mexicans and carribean hispanics who like like spaniards or italians and have known ancestry to regions of those countries, but clearly identify with their latin american race. Also, white-asian mixed kids I agree will probably try to identify themselves as white but they are very little of the population
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Roissy,
I think the reason why ChickNoir is so angry is because she wants to impose a marital affirmative action on white men so that black chicks get a chance to marry white men.
jen
You are an angry boy Roissy! Methinks thou dost protest o’er much. If you spend your time ripping the female sex to shreds your behaviour consequentially smacks of obsession, and obsession, as we know, stems from an inability to control. So ‘fess up! What did she do to you?
Hence young White Americans salivate at the though of becoming lawyers and business executives instead of engineers and scientists. I find Half Sigma’s attitudes particularly disgusting in this respect. In my opinion the legal profession is but a necessary evil.
As a former student at an engineering school, I’d note several reasons for the lack of interest in engineers. One major problem is that engineering is already seen as a difficult major that requires considerable amount of time for studying. Then it’s exacerbated by the reputations of boring nerds, FOB Asians and Eastern Europeans, and of course, there are legions of failed engineering students like myself and my friend who run around screaming to any aspiring engineer to stay out of engineering school. One must also include the highly uninterested professors who want nothing to do with their undergrad students, and give as little assistance as possible. So if you’re a reasonably intelligent person with an IQ of 125, why go thru a difficult and unsociable four years for a so-so paying job that can be outsourced when you can be liberal arts major for four years, party hard, sneak thru the LSATs or GMATs and make six figures when you’re done?
In other words, Engineering needs to pay considerably more for it to be worth the penalty that one takes to engage in such a major. Starting salaries should be six figures, not mid-40s, and then maybe you’ll get smart students interested in it again.
@DA I agree with your assessment on the Engineering thing.
If society judges the value of a profession by the market value of pay, then Engineering is OK but FAR from at the top. For the amount of hard work required to finish school and getting a job… I would say that on a purely monetary level it is not worth it. Most engineers enter into Engineering school because they actually like doing the engineering stuff.. the reality is that only a small % of them will actually end up doing that type of ‘actual’ engineering work. A lot of the kids are wising up to that and looking at their options. The reality is that although engineering school is a meritocracy, the environment that engineers end up working in is not generally a meritocracy. Thus it makes perfect sense that smart kids would choose the path that is most rewarding in the most dimensions. Something you can see in a lot of technology companies is that a lot of the star performers in engineering are shedding the mantle and heading to B school…..
Neel Kashkari’s path is a good example of what we’ll be seeing a lot more of in the future… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neel_Kashkari not to that scale, but that general direction.
Actually… to put this back on topic, this is kind of like how to identify a terrible boss…. After working a while, I’ve noticed a dominant strategy among alot of ‘betas’ is the idea that you should just put your head down and work hard… and someone will take care of you… this sounds alot like the basic ‘nice’ beta strategy… If you have a ‘terrible boss’ you’ll do all the things that you think are correct but they will just give your loot to the employees who are flight risks. No hate, just recognize the creatures. So the Just do the right thing and someone will take care of you approach is Beta… Game is pervasive in all human interaction… running for president, making your kids behave, getting a promotion, selling products…
An interesting note is that alot of the behaviors described in the pua community are exactly the same that are taught in Sales/Marketing/Consumer Behavior literature… My favorite is the concept of peripheral information processing… the idea that when you are not on ‘guard’ your brain is processing things by heuristic subconsciously… this tactic is used when your product is not actually that great, but you still want to imprint a positive attitude on the consumer… You trigger the positive attitude buttons by sidestepping the main central processing path in the brain.
in fact most of the lectures I’ve sat through could be converted to game lectures if you just changed the terminology.
Coffee is for closers….
‘I think the reason why ChickNoir is so angry is because she wants to impose a marital affirmative action on white men so that black chicks get a chance to marry white men.
jen’
whether or not chic is ‘your type’ and whether or not you’re even remotely impressed by the myriad of black models she routinely suggests should be considered beautiful to even non- black men, the fact is she’s probably attractive enough to get a wealthy alpha male of whatever race to commit to her. my guess is that attractive black chicks like selita ebanks could do so as well. if nothing else, there’s a niche market for certain types of non- white women and certain guys who’ll find them attractive.
chic, don’t misconstrue anything i wrote here and think i’m insulting you.
“As a former student at an engineering school, I’d note several reasons for the lack of interest in engineers.”
David,
Didn’t you once say you had a low IQ? Low IQ people (meaning -100) don’t go to engineering school.
Does a girls ability to cum quickly and easily contribute to sluttiness or unfaithful behavoir?
Didn’t you once say you had a low IQ? Low IQ people (meaning -100) don’t go to engineering school.
David failed out of said engineering school.
JENI think the reason why ChickNoir is so angry is because she wants to impose a marital affirmative action on white men so that black chicks get a chance to marry white men
HA
Where did you read that at??? White men are okay, I’ve dated a few but I prefer Asian and Black men darling. You can relax Jen, your father, brothers, and uncles are safe around me;)
freak showchic, don’t misconstrue anything i wrote here and think i’m insulting you.
I didn’t and thanks for having my back while I was away.
jen
Roissy,
I think the reason why ChickNoir is so angry is because she wants to impose a marital affirmative action on white men so that black chicks get a chance to marry white men.
jen
Go to the whitewomensuck blogspot and tell me that you don’t have a problem with what is written there. Then again you may be an Asian female and that opens another bag of worms.
In other words, Engineering needs to pay considerably more for it to be worth the penalty that one takes to engage in such a major. Starting salaries should be six figures, not mid-40s, and then maybe you’ll get smart students interested in it again.
Entry-level engineers are glorified CAD draftsmen, so their low starting salaries are entirely justified.
They put in several years in increasing levels of responsibility and eventually become state-registered engineers. At that point, they can even call themselves engineers, and their salaries ger pretty good.
But if you wanna make six or near-six figures as an engineer, you’ll need to get to project management levels. That’s where the real $$ is.
Electrical engineering is hot right now; registered EEs are hard to find. It’s also not easily outsourced, since you frequently need to be on site, and once you get into management, business/people skills become too important to outsource to some non-English-speaking FOBer.
David,
And you admit that it was because you weren’t smart enough?
Most people are not that self-aware. Kudos.
They put in several years in increasing levels of responsibility and eventually become state-registered engineers.
PA, IIRC, I though that only civil engineers needed to state-registration in order to do anything remotely useful. It was the only field that where the students even discussed the need to register, while I never heard anything similar to that from EEs, MEs, or CpEs.
Regardless, I knew of some students who were complaining during their internships that they saw engineers replaced with outsourced labour, particularly those at entry level positions.
And you admit that it was because you weren’t smart enough?
I don’t even know at this point anymore. I have a friend who scored 1060 on SATs and he graduated with a degree in computer engineering, so in theory, if I was willing to work my ass off, I could have done so, but I just wasn’t willing to do so. Hell, I kinda failed most of my classes primarily because I never did the homework, and I cut most of the classes due to frustration or “other priorities”. Otherwise, there was no way that I was going to succeed on blind native intellectual strength. Besides, the fact that I scored higher on my verbal section of my SAT should have been a sign to stay out of engineering and science, but somehow, I wanted to appease my parents and be “friends forever” with a Queen and all at the cost of $30,000 and some permanent mental health damage…
Roissy = woman-hater? Maybe, maybe not. I would say he gives weak behaviour contempt: be it present in man, woman, animal or plants.
After all, we all know the picture of an effective man painted here is not the norm. Perhaps blaming it on feminism is the woman-hating portion of that?
But in general, roissy seems to enjoy women a hell of a lot; he enjoys them with the full overanalysed knowledge of all their foibles. Which is actually quite difficult, I’d imagine, and it’s something he’s warned about; I’ve seen him say it somewhere: ‘don’t hate’.
You’re disgusting.
There will be plenty of time post-sex for you to take a measure of the girl’s sluttiness and screen her for lesser or greater commitment.
What about YOU? Apparently your “alpha male” goal involves a considerable amount of sluttiness. I can’t wait for the day some woman looks you up and down and decides you’re worthless because you’ve had sex with (oh, and degraded, offended and repulsed) just too many women.
I could care less that a bunch of men with self esteem problems have to bag on women to make themselves feel better. It’s the fucking story of the universe. What I do have a problem with is your disgusting RACISM. And don’t even try that “but see what these black people on some other blog wrote about white people” cop out shit. It’s lame. Take responsibility for your own douchebaggery and admit you’re a fucking racist.
HAHAHHAHA!!! YOU ARE JUST MAD CAUSE YOU HAVE NO COCK. I renamed your blog: Roissy and the angry inch.
oh, you pick up artists. you are all so amusing. you repeatedly denigrate women, then wonder why all the women you get with are just looking for sex – by the by, they’re EXACTLY LIKE YOU! any woman with common sense, half a brain and some self-respect wouldn’t fall for your tired, bullshit tactics, so you don’t even bother approaching those women. you all hate feminists and strong women because – gasp – they appear to be your intellectual equals! you can’t manipulate a woman who is as smart as you, so all you do is go after weak-minded, vapid chicks who don’t even know how to love themselves, then complain and call them sluts when they turn out to have the same motives that you do.
why don’t you disclose how many women you’ve slept with? let he without sin cast the first stone. as far as I can tell, you’re just as dirty sexually – if not moreso – than these women you childishly insult. what did the woman who made you so bitter do you to you, man? really. get over it.
I cannot believe anyone would take this seriously?!
If any men take this advice seriously, they are serious shitfaces.
I mean seriously this whole blog should actually be titled – “How To Identify a Misogynistic Hater Man with a Penis so small Negative Numbers are used in its Measurement”
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Did some angry-woman-blogger post a link to this? Why all the comments a week after?
I can’t help but laugh at the way you criminalize female sexuality like the criminalized give a fuck.
Really? “Slut?” Is this 1953? God forbit women enjoy themselves and have multiple partners. With men, who are also banging them and having fun… but of course they’re not sluts. Because it’s ok for guys.
May you marry a “good” girl virgin. That’s punishment enough.
oh, you men. according to roissy, ’sluts’ are women are women who are tough, sassy, sexual, experienced, ‘artsy’, accomplished, and/or black. according to your standards, there are a very fair amount of ’sluts’ around! and they all sound much more interesting than any of these dweebs agreeing with this post!!
maybe if you got a life instead of giving a flying fuck about a woman’s sexual past, then you would have some luck attracting them.
Based on how illogical, deluded and shrill these new comments were, I checked Jezebel.com on a hunch and that was where the link is from. First clue was when one of the commenters claimed feminists were of equal intelligence to the commenters here. Everyone knows progressive feminists are actually dumber than the average woman except on Jezebel and feministing.
At first I read this list and was insulted. In the end, I’ve decided its all very sad. This is sounds so much like a whiny high school kid blasting his ex online to make himself feel better about the break up. The whole list screams stereotype that, one looser girl showed a characteristic thus all girls sharing that must be loose. In the end, it doesn’t really matter how many sex partners anyone has as long as they’re safe and honest about it.
Well the feminist ladies sure have been put in their place by one Mr. Ricky Raw.
I was minorly offended for an instant until I realized that, with all this “alpha,” “beta,” “your game” nonsense, the men here must be virgins who only graduated from D&D games in their moms’ basements a few months ago.
Don’t worry boys, it’ll get better one day.
Whew.
I’m glad that link got posted and those comments suddenly appeared. I haven’t laughed that hard reading something since the last time I got my hands on one of George Carlin’s books.
You forgot to mention “small penis” when reciting from your Stock Knee-jerk Feminist Comebacks checklist. So close to a perfect score. *tsk, tsk*
I would enjoy hearing how those in agreement with this blog sleep at night being that your entire approach to interacting with others is based on wholesale contempt and manipulation. I mean, how easy was it to just completely disregard human decency? Is your mom proud of you?
:: would defend some of you guys on the girl sites but is Black, an artist, and a Navy veteran ::
Y’all on your own.
please die.
T said:
>>”Based on how illogical, deluded and shrill these new comments were, I checked Jezebel.com on a hunch and that was where the link is from. First clue was when one of the commenters claimed feminists were of equal intelligence to the commenters here. Everyone knows progressive feminists are actually dumber than the average woman except on Jezebel and feministing.”
T, Thanks for the Jezebel link. There are only a few blogs I read.. the others deal with economics, science, and politics. This is the only blog I’m reading for fun because it’s both intelligent and funny; both Roissy and the people commenting on it.
The commenters on the Jezebel site unintentionally had me laughing for a good 15 minutes. I didn’t see one good argument placed against any of Roissy’s points.
Instead, they were the kind of responses you might get from the audience of the Oprah Winfrey show. “Small dick, never been laid, can’t handle intelligent girls” etc… They were shrill, illogical, and deluded just like you said.
I didn’t realize it before, but after reading all of that, I’ve come to appreciate that the female posters on this blog are far above the norm. If Jezebel is the norm for women, then no better advice can be given to a man than to learn game. Jezebel just proves that many women are operating exclusively on an emotional level and tactics like game which undercut their emotional armor will work effortlessly.
Droll, but clearly not written by anyone with credible real-life woman experience. 2/10
Wow racist and ignorant! No of course not (oops that statement was dripping with sarcasm, I must be a slut!)
Hahahahahaha. I thought these feminists are more into fisting and scissorfests. But it seems like they all got pumped and dumped by quite a few “jerks”.
Through these little cock adventures, you guys became sluts. Isn’t it a hurtful truth that you won’t be able to find high quality men to put a ring on your aged fingers due to your whorrish pasts?
Meanwhile me and the other guys on the forum enjoy taking you home from bars, ravaging your bodies to wet screaming orgasms and then get the fuck out of your homes as soon as you fall into drunk exhausted slummer.
We learned to detect you and use your manipulations against yourselves. And, yes, we can tell you from the good girls, who have a sense of decency left in them. We will enjoy our youths with you (one night at a time) and our old age with women who know how to control themselves.
Dynamo Kiev
This is the only blog I’m reading for fun because it’s both intelligent and funny;both Roissy and the people commenting on it.
why thank you sir.
PS. I comment on both blogs.
chiclet:
PS. I comment on both blogs.
pps chiclet, since you need reminding… i give you shit because you’re stupid and a liar, not because you’re a woman or black.
hope this helps.
“It’s Easy to Identify a Man I would Never Sleep With”
-He uses words like “jizzspackled”
-He is racist
-He is so vindictive towards women he eradicates any intelligence he may have had by resorting to stereotypical classifications and anatomical features
-His “sample size” is comprised of women with no self-respect, thus reinforcing his “groundbreaking” discoveries on women and their sexual prowess
-His close-minded nature indicates arrogant, opinionated logic, most often leading to a constant need for re-assurance and ego-stroking.
-He thinks travelling somehow correlates with sexual activity in ALL women.
-He thinks dominating women is the key to a successful relationship, and somehow thinks he is capable and deserving of a healthy, functional partnership
-He will no doubt conclude I am unfit for his standards, I suppose it was the length of my arm hair…or maybe he’ll peg me as overweight, too negative,
Your argument is not new, accurate, or interesting. Perhaps you’ve spent too much time attempting to bolster your ego through targeting the only women who will stand for your pontificating bullshit; the ones who had fathers just like you. The ones that for some reason feel the need to strive for your attention because they can’t see positive things within themselves. Well, you deserve each other, because worthwhile women won’t give guys like you the time of day. We’re too busy looking for guys that aren’t so self-involved we can actually look forward to good sex, instead of being jabbed repeatedly for 5 minutes while you say something along the lines of, “Who’s your daddy?” We already have one, and they cared about us enough to tell us to stay away from you.
This shit is HILARIOUS. I’m a guy and I’ve been emailing it to all of my male friends. We’ve been laughing for hours.
Women who travel are sluts?
Black women are sluts?
Women who give gifts are sluts?
It’s like a found a Yeti or something. How do you exist?
I can’t believe there are commenters treating what you have to say with any degree of seriousness. It’s just rambling misogynistic and racist nonsense punctuated by dashes of bogus/misapplied statistics.
I mean, really. Your misunderstanding of science and logic is almost as epic as your naked hatred of women. People still call girls sluts? What is this, the 50s?
Congrats, man, keep on fuckin’ them hoes I guess…it’s what a slut does.
-Mike
SaraHis “sample size” is comprised of women with no self-respect, thus reinforcing his “groundbreaking” discoveries on women and their sexual prowess
Epic comment Sara we are I2I.
@roissy- just enjoy your new found fame roissy. Maybe you will get an ebook deal out of it.
Oh, dear Ricky Raw. You are going to split hairs over stereotyping or stock “comebacks” in response to this post? That is very funny. Thanks for the giggles.
Mike Jordan is clearly a woman.
I wonder if these commenters are going to stray to other posts or become regulars. A little increase in bitter females might be nice (I miss Dizzy), but let’s keep it reasonable. This is over-doing it a little bit.
Men fall in love with sluts all the time. It’s the Carla Bruni effect – if a woman is sufficiently attractive & charming/enthralling to a man and/or is able to make him feel a way he finds irresistible, he’ll marry her no matter how insanely checkered her past. The hilarious thing about Bruni is that her exploits (my favorite of which involve dumping the man she was dating for his married son) are known by everyone, yet she’s enamored the President of France & the European public who admire her as a “woman with a past” who did as she pleased.
“Sloppy” sluts (i.e. low class mannerisms, drunken, crudeness, desperation, has sex with losers, etc) will have trouble, of course. But if a woman carries herself like famous sluts Grace Kelly or Ava Gardner, or Bruni, (i.e. can portray class, grace, total confidence, whatever you want to call it) and associates with quality men (i.e. discerning when it comes to who she screws, not doing random barflys) suddenly “slut” morphs into “seductress” or “adventuress” or “femme fatale”.
Also men are notoriously blind in love. We all have that friend who has hooked up with a girl we know is shady, but he will refuse to hear anything about it. Alphas seem particularly vulnerable to this because their self-confidence makes them think they will be the ones to totally capture her and turn her into a good wife (which is not out of the realm of possibility, btw). That wealthy alphas guys frequently marry “interesting” women, not fresh, innocent things is obvious. And however insane it may sound to some of you, it is not terribly unusual for well-off dudes who frequent “high-class” call girls to fall in love either.
Basically, a lot of this boasting in the comments about “judgements” is BS. Because if a guy meets “the” girl who just does it for him, she can be a slut and all that posturing will go out the window.
Here’s the thing. Women don’t like betas. We don’t like them AT ALL. We don’t like them because they’re insecure pricks who act childish, mean and silly.
Alpha males are generally much nicer, calmer, and more fun to be around, not to mention better fucks. It’s like how the fat girl in the corner is usually really mean, spiteful and just not fun to be around. It’s because everyone has been treating her like shit. Is this fair? No. Is it true? Yes.
You can’t become an alpha male without becoming genuinely confident. And I think the thing you’re missing here is that genuinely confident people are usually nice.
I think you’re leading these betas down the wrong path. Men that behave this way are transparently insecure, which we all know is so not sexy.
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MiMi, how do you define alpha and beta?
“And I think the thing you’re missing here is that genuinely confident people are usually nice.”
What planet are you from?
People, confident or otherwise, are not nice, as an overwhelming majority. They may appear nice, but that’s not the same as actually being nice.
Put people in situations where large amounts of money, power, or fame are at stake, and see how nice they are.
In my experience, confident people are often more ruthless and cruel; that’s why we are confident. We know we’ll school your bitch ass and win when the chips are down.
Wow, you are way off. Half those things apply to me and I’m a virgin.
lapdog beta yipped:
It’s just rambling misogynistic and racist nonsense punctuated by dashes of bogus/misapplied statistics.
I mean, really. Your misunderstanding of science and logic is almost as epic as your naked hatred of women. People still call girls sluts? What is this, the 50s?
congrats, you just nominated yourself for BOTY.
Sweet!!!!! FUCK YEAH! Does BOTY come with anything?
I have to tell you, I’m often feel too powerless and effete to do anything besides sit in my apartment masturbating and crying, but hopefully you have some sort of prize that might help me out?
Could you perhaps teach me the secret to your brilliant rhetorical device “in my experience”?
I’m still cracking up over some of this shit. Women who exhibit the trait “being a lawyer” are sluts? I’m literally giggling.
betamus prime:
Does BOTY come with anything?
a lifetime supply of misery.
I have to tell you, I’m often feel too powerless and effete to do anything besides sit in my apartment masturbating and crying
don’t forget watching desperate housewives and inserting bon bons up your ass.
but hopefully you have some sort of prize that might help me out?
charity starts at home.
Could you perhaps teach me the secret to your brilliant rhetorical device “in my experience”?
sure.
in my experience, you are a whiny mewling nancyboy beta with buttplug issues.
I’m literally giggling.
betas do that a lot.
oh girls, time for a cuddle party! don’t worry, that’s not my wee wee, it’s just a thimble. *giggle*
Mike Jordan, you’re following the principle that a generalization regarding a protected group (in this case, black people) is only valid when it’s positive, and invalid when it’s negative. This is irrational.
And there’s nothing wrong with making generalizations about a group of people based on personal experience. It is, in fact, normal.
Oh, eat shit.
You’re correct, tokyojesusfist, that such a principle would be irrational–good thing I never claimed to adhere to this idea.
You’re incorrect to assert that there’s nothing wrong with making generalizations about people. The historical record of constructs such as, but not limited to, “racism” and “sexism” clearly demonstrates otherwise.
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Roissy, I don’t like Desperate Housewives or bon bons up my ass. I don’t mind a little anal play now and then, though, but nothing more than a finger or small dildo. If you’ve never had your prostate stimulated, I really recommend it.
I do often whine about things, so you’ve got me there. I do enjoy cuddling with girls, so you score again there.
It’s hilarious to read your hateful virtually unsubstantiated rant and then watch you call people to task for insufficiently supported remarks in the comment section.
But, I’m not really here to debate you. I’m just here to laugh and shake my head in bewilderment. Rarely do I come across something so simultaneously pathetic, stupid, funny and sad.
Black women aren’t sluts. Or least not all of them and the same goes to say for all women in general. The concept of the “slut” is an image of femininity established within white (often middle-class) America. If you went to a predominantly white high school anywhere in the country, you’d find some girl whose been labeled the “school slut”. Go to a black school and they won’t even know what you’re talking about. In the black community the playing field for sex is not as male-dominated or double sided. If she wants it, she gotta have it. The “slut” or even the “prude” are just ways in which the white patriarch continue to oppress and control the female body by defining the boundaries of our sexuality.
You don’t want the slut because you’re afraid of her.
this was funny and yet… according to this blog pretty much the only girl who is not a total jizzle swizzling slut is the meek, quivering twelve year old virgin with braces and day-of-the-week undies. Go get yourself a slut buddy, the preteens aren’t interested in your spare tire and pimpled asscrack mmk. Furthermore, if you’ve had ample experience enough to judge different reactions in women to your penile girth, doesn’t that make you a bit of a fucking slut you rambling herpe
The concept of the “slut” is an image of femininity established within white (often middle-class) America.
The concept of the “slut” is an image of femininity that represents a very real risk that getting involved with a women who is “slutty” is far more likely to cuckold a man, cheat on him, or leave him when she get’s “bored” because she is unable to bond with a man long term because she’s trained herself to always seek out exciting sex from new partners. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with how she views sexual morality.
Afraid of the slut?
In the feminized court systems of this cuntry, HELL YES.
A man has a LOT to lose should he make the nearly fatal mistake of committing to a slut…ESPECIALLY if he knocks her up.
aujee:
this was funny and yet… according to this blog pretty much the only girl who is not a total jizzle swizzling slut is the meek, quivering twelve year old virgin with braces and day-of-the-week undies.
the lifetime median number of partners for american women is three. women who have more than three lifetime partners have slept with more men than the average woman. as the number of partners climbs over three, so does a woman’s slut score.
your contention that only 12 year old virgins wearing braces are slut-free is incorrect according to the standard established by the median number of lifetime partners for american women which i elucidated in my blog post.
Mike Jordan:
Not on a conscious level.
Making generalizations about people through observation is a morally neutral act, and if you end up with the conclusion that black women are promiscuous it probably has something to do with the behavior you’re observing. But people always make it a moral issue. If someone travels to Japan and remarks “what friendly people,” nobody will call him a racist. If someone travels to Saudi Arabia and remarks “what a bunch of degenerate savages,” people will immediately accuse him of hatin’ on brown people (even if it has nothing at all to do with race). But what exactly is the difference between these examples supposed to be?
Chioma:
Most men don’t like the idea of their girlfriend cheating on them, which is a likely occurence if the girlfriend is a raging slut.
Hahaha. Dude, if you’re marrying someone presumably you’ve taken a period of time (often years) to get to know them.
If you’re afraid the artsy lawyer with a back tattoo who you’re about to marry is going to have the milkman’s baby and then run off with your brother then chances are you don’t know her well enough to marry her.
Honestly, get over yourself and grow up. Yeah, your long term partner doing slutty things like “giving you lots of gifts” is really a “near fatal” threat. Sure.
flssoapbox:
I can’t help but laugh at the way you criminalize female sexuality like the criminalized give a fuck.
you sound indifferent.
icanhazbeta:
Yeah, your long term partner doing slutty things like “giving you lots of gifts” is really a “near fatal” threat.
another numbnut who never heard of correlation.
any one of those factors alone that i’ve lovingly listed in my post does not automatically designate a woman a slut. but you put a bunch of them together and odds go up that she has had more than the median number of partners for american women.
which, btw, is three.
Yes, exactly correct, tokyojesusfist, I do not adhere to it on a conscious level. True.
In that situation, the person who made the comment on Saudia Arabia should clarify that he doesn’t mean to impugn the character of an entire ethnicity or people and he was simply expressing outrage at the country’s laws, which he deems immoral.
Or, if he was just making an ill informed and racist generalization about the character of all people in Saudia Arabia, he should just say “yeah, sorry, I’m a racist and an idiot.”
Easy.
So, wait, if you make an ill-informed racist generalization about Saudi Arabia (being that they are idiot savages), that’s not cool.
But if you make an ill-informed racist generalization about Japan (that they are extremely polite), that’s cool?
That’s not cool.
Roissy, I’m getting the impression that you don’t understand how to use the concept of correlation.
Ladies, what part of these guys don’t give a crap because they live in a bubble don’t you understand?
It doesn’t matter what you say to them. They simply don’t care. They don’t have to care. It’s pointless to try to make them care.
Just take note. There are guys in the world who still think like this.
Lift heavy objects regularly, and learn to love firearms.
No, Jackson, I did not say that. If someone went to Japan and came back and said “because of my experience in Japan, I believe that all Japanese people are fundamentally friendly” then that’s racist and, indeed, “not cool.”
If someone goes to Japan and comes back and say “hey, everyone I met was really friendly” then that’s “cool.”
Understand?
But in the case of Japan, he does not need to explain or apologize for anything because nobody has a problem with positive generalizations even though they’re still generalizations. They don’t question the validity of a positive generalization, but the validity of a generalization has nothing to do with whether it’s positive or not.
Well, I’m not a lady, but yeah I know there’s no changing anyone’s opinion. These people are dumbasses trapped in their own pathetic little world.
I’m not looking to change minds on the comment section of a wordpress blog. Honestly, I’m just killing time until I head to the gym.
-Mike
But the impact of the generalization has something to do with whether its important to question it.
Mildly positive and not really tied to a race that has seen a lot of oppression historically? It’s not going to hurt anyone. Who cares?
Negative and tied to a group of people who have been historically victimized/misunderstood? Racism sucks. It’s worth questioning it.
This is all just good common sense.
The “slut” or even the “prude” are just ways in which the white patriarch continue to oppress and control the female body by defining the boundaries of our sexuality.
You don’t want the slut because you’re afraid of her.
Your brain is just a social construction.
I disagree entirely.
Blindly accepting the positive and only questioning the negative is not good common sense; it is, in fact, downright stupid.
People are not terribly good or nice; you’d be right more often than not if you questioned the positive and accepted the negative, rather than doing the reverse.
The real problem with negative generalizations is usually that they aren’t generalized enough. However, positive generalizations are just as damaging, only more subtle in their impact; if you say one group is something positive that is X, but decline to mention other groups, it becomes a stereotype via omission, which is harder to combat than a direct one.
This is the same sort of shit (not questioning the good but persecuting anyone who says anything negative) that just led our entire fucking financial system to blow apart, so I’m going to bet somewhere around $7 trillion dollars (the cost of our current government bailout) that it’s important.
And so is Mike Jordan’s penis.
He said he takes junk up the butt, haha. Fag.
The value of a generalization should be based exclusively on how close to the truth it is. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty.
Treating a group of people with condescending kid gloves because of their skin color is somehow not racism.
sara provided a test case of feeble thinking:
“It’s Easy to Identify a Man I would Never Sleep With”
imitation is the sincerest form of sexual desire.
-He uses words like “jizzspackled”
a veritable jackson pollack i am.
-He is racist
this word has become so watered down by the likes of pantypissing status whoring SWPL lemmings that it is virtually meaningless.
-He is so vindictive towards women he eradicates any intelligence he may have had by resorting to stereotypical classifications and anatomical features
i’m hot for your anatomical features, babe!
[note: pop culture reference withdrawn if you are fatso ugly chick]
-His “sample size” is comprised of women with no self-respect, thus reinforcing his “groundbreaking” discoveries on women and their sexual prowess
you’re contradicting yourself. you want to punish me for pointing out that men make valid value judgements about slutty women and you wish claim that there is nothing wrong with a woman who likes to sleep around, while asserting that the women i sleep with have no self-respect.
which is it? are some women’s desires worth more than others’?
it’s funny when you pro-choice chicks shame a woman’s freedom to choose her sex partners when her choice invalidates your dearly held ideology.
-His close-minded nature indicates arrogant, opinionated logic, most often leading to a constant need for re-assurance and ego-stroking.
did you squirm delightfully in your seat when you wrote that?
-He thinks travelling somehow correlates with sexual activity in ALL women.
the more a single woman has traveled the world for pleasure, the likelier it is she has an impressive foreign notch count. adventuresome spirit and a weakness for men with accents who impress chicks with their knowledge of the local cafes go vaj in vaj with sluttiness.
-He thinks dominating women is the key to a successful relationship, and somehow thinks he is capable and deserving of a healthy, functional partnership
chicks dig dominant men.
or: the wails of the betas are written on the feminist balls.
-He will no doubt conclude I am unfit for his standards, I suppose it was the length of my arm hair…or maybe he’ll peg me as overweight, too negative,
depends. first i’ll need some vital stats.
how old are you?
how tall are you?
how much do you weigh?
which hollywood celebrity do you most resemble?
do you do speculum sex?
Your argument is not new, accurate, or interesting.
i seem to have captured your attention.
Perhaps you’ve spent too much time attempting to bolster your ego through targeting the only women who will stand for your pontificating bullshit; the ones who had fathers just like you.
roissy, i am your father.
The ones that for some reason feel the need to strive for your attention because they can’t see positive things within themselves.
i’m big enough, i’m long enough, and goshdarnit, pussy craves me!
Well, you deserve each other, because worthwhile women won’t give guys like you the time of day.
keep telling yourself that.
We’re too busy looking for guys that aren’t so self-involved we can actually look forward to good sex, instead of being jabbed repeatedly for 5 minutes while you say something along the lines of, “Who’s your daddy?”
speaking from experience?
We already have one, and they cared about us enough to tell us to stay away from you.
ps when chic noir allies herself with you, it’s not a sign that you’re making sense.
Because if a guy meets “the” girl who just does it for him, she can be a slut and all that posturing will go out the window.
True. Even Jessica Cutler who is quite a step down from Carla Bruni is getting married.
So chin up, sluts! Especially if you are goodlooking and can act like a lady in public you probably won’t pay the slut price. Or if you are an artist dancer actress whatever. Men expect you to be all free spirited and find it exciting. The man who wants you in spite of himself will find a way to justify and rationalize marrying you. Real dealbreakers are rare.
Tokyo, try to think of it in terms of consequences.
Am I in more physical danger when I go grocery shopping when people around me think I’m:
A) fun and happy and know how to rap.
B) a sea cow.
C) a slut.
How many honor killings have happened because of a girl being thought to have a good sense of humor or a bit chubby?
Do you think people capable of killing their own daughter for being *thought* to not be a virgin, would hesitate to rape or sexually coerce say, an African or Black American worker after hearing from Americans that Black women are very likely to be sluts?
This is why I say you guys don’t care. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean speech without consequences. I pay the price for people like Roissy and others who promote these myths…and my daughter does too. They don’t have to pay the price, so they spew whatever garbage makes them feel superior for the moment. This is however, nothing new.
What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.
I do what I can to spread the truth one broken finger, busted nose, dislodged tooth, and impacted testicle at a time.
moocow:
Lift heavy objects regularly, and learn to love firearms.
nicole, you once claimed that my hurtful words don’t cause you pain, and yet here you are threatening to arm yourself for the coming moocow gender war with men who think the way i do.
yes, you sound completely impervious.
I do what I can to spread the truth one broken finger, busted nose, dislodged tooth, and impacted testicle at a time.
no, you don’t hate men at all.
ps how’s that sexual market treating ya, chubs?
roissy:
icanhazbeta
LOL
Roissy, when I want a psychoanalysis from you, I’ll pay you for it.
This entry made me unspeakably sad for you. You’re clearly an intelligent person, and it makes me a bit queasy to wonder what happened to allow you to pen such racist, ignorant, and misogynistic text in such a cavalier way.
I can’t tell which I find more wonderfully ironic: the fact that a man who has probably never touched a woman is writing on identifying “sluts” or the fact that someone who can’t string two coherent thoughts together proudly identifies himself as a blogger.
It’s really too easy to pick this apart; I’m not even going to bother. I think the countless nights spent masturbating to pictures of your mother and calling Singles Chat hotlines only to breathe heavily into the receiver before hanging up must be painful enough. Have a great life.
fat nicole:
Roissy, when I want a psychoanalysis from you, I’ll pay you for it.
silly fatso, this isn’t psychoanalysis. it’s predatory sadism.
and you’ll get it from me whether you pay for it or not.
tyler:
You’re clearly an intelligent person, and it makes me a bit queasy to wonder what happened to allow you to pen such racist, ignorant, and misogynistic text in such a cavalier way.
gamma radiation exposure.
hulk FUCK!
neomaxipadzimdweebie:
It’s really too easy to pick this apart; I’m not even going to bother.
probably for the best. you write like a mediocrity.
I think the countless nights spent masturbating to pictures of your mother and calling Singles Chat hotlines only to breathe heavily into the receiver before hanging up must be painful enough.
what is it with you beta tards and projecting your deepest desires?
Nah, predatory sadism would be if we were in a truly public forum, and you actually had an argument that tore mine apart with a skill that can only come from true emotional and intellectual superiority.
As it is, I have yet to see even mild sadism from you. Histrionics yes. “Home page advantage” certainly. Sadism, no. In a public forum on a similar topic, you would be meat…or basically just ignored until you found something to say other than “moocow” or whatever. I’d welcome the challenge if you’re up for it. I know a place that neither of us owns, where the guy only censors spam.
Otherwise, if you don’t mind, I was trying to discuss the issue of positive vs. negative stereotypes with TokyoJesusFist.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
Um, it kind of sounds like YOU are the slut and also a giant jackass.
Wow. May you be tethered in holy matrimony to a frigid, mean, sexless good girl.
Um, let me also offer the following idea:
Perhaps your sense of masculinity is threatened by so-called “slutty” women? Perhaps your very self-worth is based solely on your ability to bed women and damn if women do the same thing that YOU are doing and they aren’t chastised for it then… then that makes men and woman equal… and you are like a woman… I’ve got it! You need to be a misogynist! You need to demean sexually liberated (slutty!!) women in order to feel manly!
Well done, sir. Well done.
(Alpha???)
Jackson, it’s sad that you’re incapable of following what I’ve said concerning generalizations without misinterpreting me. This isn’t fun if you can’t do that, so I’m done.
Jeez, did everyone here just read Atlas Shrugs? If you’re not 15, then you’re behind the curve there gents. You’re supposed to go through your Objectivist phase at about 16-17 and then you go to college and grow up.
I’m out. My girlfriend is going to finger my asshole while she blows me, I’m going to have a great orgasm, then I’ll go down on her until she comes a couple of times. You know what’s nice? Having a healthy, equal relationship with a woman. You guys out to try it some time.
Peace!
women could never hate men as much as they hate us.
why do you hate us so much?
fatass:
Nah, predatory sadism would be if we were in a truly public forum, and you actually had an argument that tore mine apart with a skill that can only come from true emotional and intellectual superiority.
your threat to impact testicles and buy guns against the men who torment you with their indifference or sadistic cruelty suggest your blubbery bullseye has been hit dead center.
As it is, I have yet to see even mild sadism from you.
your squeals say otherwise.
I’d welcome the challenge if you’re up for it.
i’m having fun flaying your soul right where i am.
I know a place that neither of us owns, where the guy only censors spam.
no fat chicks.
Otherwise, if you don’t mind, I was trying to discuss the issue of positive vs. negative stereotypes with TokyoJesusFist.
i can smell your fear. it smells like limburger.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
you’re fat. you should, like, do something about that.
I don’t think he said that being a slut is intrinsically bad at all.
don’t bother, epic. these mindnumbed tools are only useful as punching bags and victims for the cruel entertainment of the coliseum spectators.
of which i will happily do my part throwing them to the lions.
Roissy sounds scared. Maybe if he ignores us we’ll go away.
To the writer: A couple things:
First, men with the kind of arrogance, misogyny, and wholesale misperception you exhibit will not find happiness with a worthwhile woman, if that is even a secret, shameful, subconscious goal, which admittedly it may not be–in which case you’re just treading dirty water without meaning, infecting less quick-witted men and leaving a legacy of hate and empty bravado as your rapidly-disappearing mark on the world. To pretend that’s okay with you, if you have half the intellect you display, is a lie.
Second, I would be angrier if the reality from which your post issued were not almost entirely, and profoundly, sad. But it is. You will, if you respond, have a ready arsenal of cutting words of diminishment and dismissal to use against me. But it doesn’t matter, does it?
What’s wrong, hon, can’t work it with anyone but extremely sheltered virgins who don’t know what an orgasm is?
Loser.
You sound like a pretty vile person. No woman with half a brain would ever be interested in you. I bet, deep down inside, you know that. Poor little guy.
Awww Shit! This blog has turned into an explosion of comedy…and I was here to see it!
A+++
he writes like a man with a profoundly small penis.
Roissy, I only use physical force to defend myself against physical force. Your paranoid delusions are again very telling though.
I’ve lived in the middle east for 12 years. I’ve had to defend myself from physical force from men who believe that Black women and American women are sluts by default. I have thusfar defended myself effectively.
As for the rest, you’re a chickenshit sheep. Enjoy the one corner of the internet where you can pretend some superioritaah.
I fear you as much as I fear one of my cats learning php.
it’s easy to identify a small dick.
read his blog posts about how much he hates women.
i like how these feminists keep saying roissy can’t handle a woman with a brain, yet all their comments boil down to “you have a small penis.” go to the post on jezebel and it’s basically 100+ comments of people chiming in on his penis size. yeah, those feminist brains are so intimidating.
um
wow
arent you a bit of a prick?
Dear Anonymous,
Feminist here, not commenting on his dick size…
*shuddering at the thought*
I think the guy has low self-esteem.
i would argue that men are capable of dishing it out and not being able to take it.
men pile on women with judgement, abuse and degradation. it happens all the time- in just about every culture, men treat women like garbage.
this is a constant theme- from genital mutilation in africa to talibanists throwing acid in schoolgirls’ faces to mass gang rape in rwanda to men bombing women’s clinics in the states and down to this blog post referring to women as “cum-guzzling whores.”
i think it’s fair for women to ask simply, why do men do this?
and when you think about it, the only conclusion we come to is men hate women because they hate themselves.
also, when you’re called a whore, bitch, cunt or slut over and over again by men for no reason, sometimes you want to lash out on occasion. dick size is an easy way to do it.
On the upside, at least you didn’t use ignorant stereotypes to make a claim about what you perceived as ignorant stereotypes.
That would have been ironic.
Anonymous, that’s because of similar blind spots.
A misandrist and a misogynist having an argument can only argue within the limits set by their defect.
The misandrist can only impugn the guy’s manhood based on stereotyped criteria of what makes a man more or less worthy (like penis size or degree of hetero/homosexuality). The misogynist can only impugn the girl’s womanhood based on stereotyped criteria of what makes a woman more or less worthy (like dress size or degree of femininity (hetero/homosexuality)).
Neither can argue effectively because both base their superiority (moral or intrinsic) on irrelevancies.
So to the feminist sheeple, a guy who says misogynistic things does so because he’s inadequate, and to a misogynist or “masculinist”, when a feminist says misandrist things it’s because she’s inadequate. Neither has any way of articulating how the other is truly inadequate without facing their own inadequacy. A blind spot is created to keep the mind from having to deal with the reality, that both are slaves to the social engineers who programmed them to oppose each other in order to distract them from reality.
Consider it a cultural shit test that prevents the weak from breeding competitive offspring.
so-called “slutty” women? … if women do the same thing that YOU are doing
Sounds like Roissy touched a nerve there about promiscuity, eh? Heh, that smiling dude in your avatar pic is investing long-term in a slut. And therefore, she is allowing a loser to put it in her.
Agnostic,
Oh god, don’t call me a slut! I can’t take it! Oh, the power you have over me you big, strong, alpha man.
As an aside, when do you guys graduate junior high?
thanks, alanis!
at least you’re skilled at stringing repeating words together into a meaningless jumble.
seriously though, the writer of this post makes me grateful that i have limited my contact to a select group of seemingly non-hateful men.
in other words, i no longer have to date men who may think this way.
lee13,
“the writer of this post makes me grateful that i have limited my contact to a select group of seemingly non-hateful men.”
I know. It’s weird, isn’t it? It’s this creepy, dirty underworld. It’s sort of fascinating. I wonder if they are lonely down here?
hey agnostic, aren’t all women sluts?
i mean, your mom allowed a loser like your dad to put it in her.
Actually, Anonymous only one commenter here has accused roissy of having a small penis, and that was lee13.
And gee whiz, isn’t it funny how similar the “small dick” and “big vagina” insults are? It’s fine to prefer a tighter fit, just as most (if not all) women prefer a larger, erm, fill. But to find some bogus correlation between the width of a vaginal opening and number of sex partners is to ignore basic physiology.
Perhaps it is a tired and oft repeated thought, but I do wonder how roissy’s mother, sisters, grandmothers, aunts, etc. might feel about his writing.
And roissy? You write like a first-year college student. Fix that, won’t you?
“You write like a first-year college student.”
He really does! That’s it!
Vanessa,
i find it scary and fascinating the ay they seem to find sex and, by extension, women so filthy. it’s like this junior high obsession like “ewwww, he put it in you, you slut.”
how old are these guys?
for the record, i apologize for the small dick remark.
it was immature and truthfully, i wanted to see what it was like to find a male equivalent to the whole “cum-guzzling whore” sentiment of the post.
it wuz dumb.
Nah, lee13, you were trying to communicate of their level. They think “slut” is an insult and so you decided to stoop to their level. It’s no biggie smalls.
This, on the other hand, is Biggie Smalls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_B.I.G.
Oh god, I can’t take it! Oh, you over me you big, strong, alpha man.
Please, contain your fantasy screams for another night. I’m already busy this weekend, but I could squeeze you in Monday morning.
The smiling dude can watch if he’ll make us all breakfast.
it’s like this junior high obsession like “ewwww, he put it in you, you slut.”
so this is what a tard invasion looks like.
for the record, i apologize for the small dick remark.
come on lee, don’t puss out. let your hate flag fly!
sure hope this blockquote thing works
If feminists didn’t exist we’d have to invent them, in order to have something to mock.
Agnostic,
Your mama is calling, sweetie. It’s a school day tomorrow.
lee13:
Wow. Are you … actually apologizing for insulting someone who pissed you off? … Wow. unreal…
“let your hate flag fly!”
That should be your tagline, Roissy.
i just want to say that the ignorant asshole who wrote this has now idea what hes talking about. i know well bred church girls who exude nothing but grace, poise, and innocence but behind closed doors theyre wilder than i am and i happen to be a female Dominant/Mistress with a bf, female pet, and male plaything.
you can never judge a person by what you see on the outside until you actually get to know them.
“lee13:
Wow. Are you … actually apologizing for insulting someone who pissed you off? … Wow. unreal…”
Dracian,
It is unreal, isn’t it? She’s a decent person. You fellows don’t get much of that down here, do you?
hey agnostic, aren’t all women sluts?
i mean, your mom allowed a loser like your dad to put it in her.
Someone’s projecting their childhood problems onto others.
but agnostic, you said that Vanessa was a “slut” who let “a loser put it in her.” yet, you’d still fuck her?
i’m assuming that you don’t find sex to be a mutually pleasurable activity for two consenting partners to engage in for fun and recreation. not if you’re willing to do it with a “loser-fucking slut.”
why do you hate sex?
lee13:
seriously though, the writer of this post makes me grateful that i have limited my contact to a select group of seemingly non-hateful men.
in other words, i no longer have to date men who may think this way.
Cherry Poppin’ Jerk victim, eh? Sara will welcome you with open arms, I’m sure.
Do your new limpwristed Herbs ask you to peg them with a strap-on? Rhetorical.
Oh, oh, Agnostic you must stop or my sides shall simply burst! It is too rich, this conceit where you pretend as though you would love nothing more than to bed the commenter Vanessa.
Please, find some way to copyright your brilliance before it becomes widely used and wholly unfunny.
Lee, the male equivalent of “cum guzzling whore” would be “boot licking dildo-gimp”.
Your welcome.
i apologized ‘cuz my remark was irrelevant.
so, are all women who have sex total fucking sluts or have i missed the point of this post?
does having sex with men make women dirty and slutty? can a women be a lesbian and still be a total fucking slut?
are women who get gang-raped total fucking sluts as well? if black women are promiscous by nature then does that mean that africa is full of total fucking sluts?
or are all women in general total fucking sluts ‘cuz they have vaginas?
just wondering.
This is getting to “I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS” levels of rhetorical excellence at this point.
Do continue.
“Just take note. There are guys in the world who still think like this.”
We know. These guys are the minority. Most of us women are doing just fine. Your daughters are lucky to have a guy like you as a father, btw.
Now off to bed with my husband!
Night.
My last comment was directed at the navy vet, artist and father named MooCow.
tupac chopra, i’m assuming no one has ever accused you of being overly coherent.
i’m actually an agoraphobic, quadriplegic virgin who happens to be a total fucking slut ‘cuz i was born female.
or i’m a married, polyamorous bisexual who lives in the suburbs and works as a sex therapist. (and total fucking slut).
or i’m a dude. and therefore, not a slut.
but, seriously, i like men who like women. i don’t think it’s too much to ask.
lee13:
so, are all women who have sex total fucking sluts or have i missed the point of this post?
The latter.
I realize it’s hard for people used to black/white, either/or thinking to grasp the concept.
Roissy summed it up thusly:
“the lifetime median number of partners for american women is three. women who have more than three lifetime partners have slept with more men than the average woman. as the number of partners climbs over three, so does a woman’s slut score.”
Like most things in life, it’s on a continuum.
Vanessa:
My last comment was directed at the navy vet, artist and father named MooCow.
!
the beta revolution will not be televised!
and i bid you farewell, gentlemen.
try not to date rape anyone.
Hey Tupac,
A girl can dream, right?
So wise one, how the hell are we supposed to identify male sluts, you know, the one’s who knock up their wives, and then leave them without paying child support so they can go fuck the waitress from Hooters without feeling *too* guilty about it?
Seems like the cock calling the kettle black…quite literally in fact.
Tupac, I do believe you have missed the point.
It is a dichotomy, even if it is one of degrees: three partners and under, not a slut; above three partners and the woman is a slut, albeit one whose slut-magnitude increases with her number of sex partners.
oh jenniferastle,
didn’t you get the memo?
a guy can never be a slut. it’s his job to identify, judge and berate a woman for having more than three sexual partners in her lifetime.
it’s a continuum, get it? women who sleep with more than three guys in their lifetimes are total fucking sluts.
but men have a free pass to do just about anything they can to get the poon. even if they have to lie, cheat, steal or beat a bitch unconcious. that’s just being a guy.
don’t like it? maybe you shouldn’t have been born a woman.
Vanessa:
Hey Tupac,
A girl can dream, right?
I’m sure “Moocow” does.
Just to be clear, Jennifer, your solution to men sleeping around and fucking over their spouses is… for women to also sleep around and fuck over their spouses? Or what exactly are you advocating here?
I, for one, will gladly and heartily agree that all humans are scum. If I am ever presented with the opportunity to press a button that would wipe out all of humanity (myself included), I would be pressing it repeatedly even before the individual presenting it to me was finished explaining what it was.
However, casting stones at men doesn’t mean that women are innocent; that is the fundamental amusement for me here. It is the pot calling the kettle black on one hand, but on the other hand, it is the kettle calling the pot black. The point is nobody is innocent.
The net result is something similar to the prisoner’s dilemma problem from game theory; this gets to the heart of why Roissy advocates what he does, and where I think Lee is missing the point.
If everyone else is out to fuck you over, your best option is almost always to look out for yourself, trust very rarely, and cover your ass. Cooperation often has negative returns in such situations. For every case of a man leaving his wife with kids and not paying child support, there is now a case of a woman leaving her husband for her new boyfriend with half his money and with him paying alimony while she gets the kids.
Humanity is ugly on all sides – male and female. The sooner you all realize that, the better off you will be.
serenity_now:
Tupac, I do believe you have missed the point.
It is a dichotomy, even if it is one of degrees: three partners and under, not a slut; above three partners and the woman is a slut, albeit one whose slut-magnitude increases with her number of sex partners.
The way I see it, *every* woman has an inner whore — as well as an inner madonna.
Both ends of the spectrum have their pros and cons.
The Madonna can be devoted and faithful, but also frigid.
The Whore can be experienced and sensual, but also a cuckoldry risk.
It’s a personal preference on the part of individual men where a woman “should” fall on this sliding scale.
To this end, it behooves us to familiarize ourselves with the sociological indicators of sluttery so that we may make informed choices about the women in whom we chose to invest our resources.
Ugh Jackson, how defeatist. I prefer to strive to be better, and not allow the “crabs in a bucket” to hold me down.
Granted, this is kind of looking out for myself (and my offspring and likeminded companions), but it’s so much more than that. It’s not pure altruism, but it is not total egoism. It’s more of a hope than a belief…that if we’re going to do better, then that starts with me. I must do better no matter what everyone else is doing.
but Jackson,
how much of a total fucking slut is she? let’s get back to the point of the post.
does fantasizing about having sex with more than three guys at one time make a woman a total fucking slut?
what about virtual sex, does that make a woman a total fucking slut?
what about masturbation? if a woman masturbates a lot but is abstinent, does that mean she still a total fucking slut?
nobody answered my question about gang rape victims. if a woman is raped by two guys does that make her less of a slut than if she was raped by five or ten?
Perhaps the aghast hordes of newcomers will find this story to be more to their liking?
Asians are the biggest sluts though, but you can’t always tell cause their so tight.
Here’s some documentation:
http://pussypicture.blogspot.com/search/label/Asian%20Pussy
Honestly? The ‘frigid Madonna’? The ‘cheating whore’?
And you expect people to take you seriously.
TC:
To this end, it behooves us to familiarize ourselves with the sociological indicators of sluttery so that we may make informed choices about the women in whom we chose to invest our resources.
That hits it.
That’s also why all these women are here and pissed off.
Being a slut isn’t bad? Then who cares how you id one?
Game doesn’t work to get women into bed? Then why are you so angry when guys write about it?
This new crowd sounds like a lot of women getting older and less attractive and realizing it. That’s why they’re so unhappy.
Oh well, maybe if they yell at Roissy enough, no one else will dare to point out that these empowered women are pretty much worthless as mates because they’ll be too scared of being screeched at (and the ones who aren’t scared of being screeched at will get them all wet because they’re just so manly).
Tupac, first of all, whores don’t like sex.
Second, the best sociological indicator of whorishness is apparently the desire to marry under the current legal conditions.
If you want to know if someone is likely to be loyal to you, tell her you’ll live with her, but you don’t want to get legally married.
…and men aren’t and never have been the only ones with resources on the line in a legal marriage. The only time it has to be all on the man is when women are legally forbidden to own property and have no living male relatives.
Not all women are penniless and unemployed.
self-delusion_now:
Honestly? The ‘frigid Madonna’? The ‘cheating whore’?
And you expect people to take you seriously.
I don’t give a good goddamn if people take me seriously.
I just observe the world as it IS, not how I’d like it to be, (while getting tips from guys like Roissy – praise be upon his name) and act accordingly in order to more effectively achieve my goals.
I leave the useless moralistic finger waving to ninnies like Keith.
Tupac, it’s your business who you take tips from, but logic should tell you there’s a huge difference in the perspective of someone who uses sex as currency and someone who considers it a priceless expression of love, even a little humanitarian or hopeful love.
Which one of them do you figure likes it more? values it more?
If you can’t use your heart, just use your brain. It’ll suffice in this case.
Men get cuckolded in the numbers they do for the same reason women get dogged in the numbers they do: because they refuse to see the truth. Obviously, popular belief isn’t a solid truth. In this case the evidence is so overwhelming, it’s almost painful to see men say these things.
It’s painful because I’ve watched a few of my friends get caught in a trap. The *lucky* ones got cheated on by their wives with men who offered their wives something material, or who made more money and pretended they were going to marry or take care of the women if they left their husband. Unless a woman is legitimately mentally ill, she doesn’t just go out and screw someone else for no reason. You can bet there was something more than she needed attention. Otherwise she wouldn’t be doing it on the downlow.
The unlucky ones got the hard core hoes who don’t like sex and therefore don’t cheat. The guy was their hoe retirement plan. In two of these cases, we found out that the woman had actually worked as a prostitute in another city. Now it’s already too late. Babies have been made.
Man, wake up.
Moocow:
Tupac, first of all, whores don’t like sex.
Your idiosyncratic definition of “whore” notwithstanding, the word (as used around these parts) refers to what is known as a “freak” elsewhere. IOW, a “liberated woman.” Or a party-girl.
What you mean by “whore” is what most men think of as a golddigger.
Aww, I’ve hurt your feelings. How precious.
And no, you perceive the world as you perceive it, due to your personal experiences and biases. Your view of women (defined by a PUA as conquests, no?) and their corresponding value (dependent as it is upon number of sex partners or lack thereof) are not unquestionable reflections of reality. I would personally call into question suspect parenting and a life-time of rejection as the cause of this view, but that’s all conjecture, isn’t it?
Pure objectivity cannot exist through a human lens, and you are not the arbiter of truth.
@Roissy: Thank you for so painstakingly taking each and every sentence I wrote and responding to it. You have my attention in the sense that some things need to be addressed, even if they aren’t accurate. So, thank you for stating your argument, and apparently I was not concise enough in mine.
I would like to address the inference that I am contradicting myself. I mean to intimate that women who are raised believing that they have to adhere to standards of American society are often not provided for emotionally, mainly by their fathers. As they grow older and more insecure, they will seek that attention in other men, often in dominant men such as yourself. So, I argue that these women have not been equipped to rationally interpret the “game” you spit attempting to demoralize and forget about them, they will hang on every word.
The women you reject are ultimately created by your same mentality, and frankly, I don’t think it’s their fault for not being strong enough to withstand the emotional bait you dangle. The women I know that struggle with self-worth don’t stand a chance against your games, and I think that’s a very sad reality. I think what you do is predatory, and I hope you feel good about yourself when you’ve lessened a women’s self image. Real men build women up, not break them down for a money shot.
That said, do the me the favor of not reading into the rest of my opinions on women’s sexuality. Any female who is ready to accept the consequences of her actions, physically or emotionally, is at her own will as far as I’m concerned. I’ll readily pay taxes for a woman who has no insurance and contracts an STD, because human beings deserve options, not punishments.
I’m not going to say you have no intellect or physical attractiveness because I’ve never met you. But the argument you propose is ignorant, and your argument isn’t new. I think it’s a mistake for women to sit silently while you accuse others of wrongdoing in the behaviors all humans engage in, and when making any rational argument, blanket statements should be avoided. When you argue controversial things, there will be rebuttals. This is how we keep our minds sharp and we establish the way we view the world.
That said, none of this matters. Everything I say will fall on your deaf ears. You’ve made it clear that you are determined to categorize me regardless of the opportunity to learn something about how some women view the world. This is a total waste of time, because the only responses you can provide me with are dependent on my face, my body, and your presumptuous speculations about what I believe. The best argument will never be “keep telling yourself that,” or “speaking from experience?” This shows that you are uncomfortable being challenged, male or female, and that you write in an effort to bolster your feelings about the world around you rather than to make sense of them.
If you want the congratulatory praise of your mind from others, I say you don’t think highly enough of yourself to stray from the “pussy craves my dick” mentality, and all you want is a pat on the back from the same people that will never challenge you. Call me feeble-minded if you like, but I don’t seek the approval of others at any cost.
Lastly, do not align me with strangers. I think independently, and your desire for an “us vs. them” forum won’t provide you with any insight in life. One could argue that about the commenters who back you up, and I hope you’re ready to defend every word they have to say in your favor…
Tupac, the minute “whore” stops meaning a woman who exchanges sex for material resources, something is already messed up about that.
What you’re talking about is a woman who has premarital sex…maybe premarital sex regularly.
If nobody’s exchanging money or other material goods for it, then nobody really has call to say the woman is a whore. Period.
If you mean slut or loose woman, then say slut or loose woman. That keeps things clear.
A liberated woman doesn’t need your resources, so you don’t really have to worry about making a bad investment. You can’t buy loyalty anyway.
I have two brothers. I know what you guys are really afraid of, and it’s very easy to avoid if you don’t think with your dicks: credit check.
Don’t ask how many guys she’s slept with. Ask for her credit card statements.
Oh you silly, silly boys. When will your ego grow beyond the size of my clit?
“The more I feel like I’m ripping her insides to shreds, the likelier I am to move her to the front of my cherished girlfriend queue.”
This is frightening! You actually enjoy the feeling that you are causing internal damage to your sexual partners? This makes you desire someone more? God help the women that you sleep with.
well what do you know…misogyny is making a comeback! Are you seriously calling women sluts for doing the exact same things you are telling men to do?
You are telling men to sleep around and yet if a woman sleeps around she is a slut and therefore a use her and lose her kind of girl, definitely not marriage material.
You are ridiculous. You think women want to marry the kind of men that read your blog and take it seriously? No wonder women are just out to get casual sex now. I’d rather have casual sex than have a relationship with the kind of douche bag that would take anything you wrote seriously. Something a little bit rapey about a guy who only wants to have sex with a woman that doesn’t really seem that keen on sex. You have some power issues? Women liking sex and being upfront about what they like scare you hon? Yes – you just keep calling women sluts and degrading them because you probably get rejected by them anyway and are pissed about it. You are pathetic!
Oh crap, I know what happened.
The always-affable David Alexander came in contact with water and so about twenty little David Alexanders popped out from all over his skin. And here is the worst part: those little Davids were fed after midnight.
Someone get a blender.
Thanks for making my morning PA.
wow. The SWPL hordes came out in force. Someone please post the SWPL version of the Internationale.
This blog seems to come from someone who is really afraid of human interaction. Besides the hilarious ridiculousness of his “slut tells” is the ridiculousness of trying to come up with a foolproof guide to identifying women who will cheat on you. If you somehow manage to convince a virgin to marry you after putting all this evidence of hate-fucking sluts out in public (I assume your future wife will be able to read) I don’t think there is any reason she would be less likely to cheat. Probably she will realize 5 years into the marriage that she has only been with one person and is bored.
Can you point out where he says foolproof? Or is it only virgins who can read, and not bitter old ladies?
Um…SA, Roissy is kind of old (and bitter) himself.
Don’t worry, when people figure out he’s definitely not representing anyone under 40, they’ll calm down. Besides, guys under 40 have real issues like how to identify narcissists, compulsive spenders, actual sex addicts, and psychobitches who’ll starve their kids to death.
It doesn’t help a woman to not be a slut if she’s planning to sacrifice your babies because the vacuum cleaner speaks to her with the voice of Michael the archangle or something.
Um…SA, Roissy is kind of old (and bitter) himself.
keep telling yourself that. perhaps that will silence the screaming of the lambs as you attack them with your gaping hungry hippo maw.
Don’t worry, when people figure out he’s definitely not representing anyone under 40, they’ll calm down.
oh nicole AKA fat repulsive crap who needs a mechanical implement to wipe her gargantuan ass, the truth value of what i say wouldn’t change if i were 30 or 90 years old.
i don’t expect you to grasp this logical point, but i do expect you to die early from diabetes.
how to identify narcissists, compulsive spenders, actual sex addicts, and psychobitches who’ll starve their kids to death.
tard meatflaps speaks. starve their kids to death? yeah, guys need to be on the lookout for women who do this, because it’s so common.
perchance to dream you will drown in your own blubber one day.
It doesn’t help a woman to not be a slut if she’s planning to sacrifice your babies because the vacuum cleaner speaks to her with the voice of Michael the archangle or something.
yes, lots of women of all ages have this issue. true true.
you’re an idiot.
GET OFF MY BLOG!
Whats logical about insulting people on the internet about their physical appearance when no one actually knows what it is?
The kid makes a good point though. Moocow’s telling me not to worry about sluts, but to worry about insane people.
Well I know many, many sluts from college. I don’t think I’ve ever met a clinically insane person my age.
I am currently nauseated by the absolutely hypocritical nature of this post, which pretty much implies that the vast majority of women are sluts.
News flash: Men can be sluts too. And if you’ve done this much research into what makes a woman a slut, I’m betting you’re a slut yourself.
She’s black? What if he’s black too? What if you only date black girls? That needs to be removed
Roissy,
“GET OFF MY BLOG!”
It’s called blocking commenters. If you’re so insecure, go ahead and do it.
Though I am curious to know if you can rationally respond to the arguments presented in the comments section. When stumped you repeatedly spew insults.
p.s. The drawing up above is funny. Did you intentionally draw the the black man’s penis twice the size of your own white penis? It almost looks as if the boy in the drawing is frowning at the giant black penis and not the happy girl. Was that intentional? That’s just a question, not an insult. I’m sure yours is bigger than a breadbox.
“Stumped?” I think you’re severely overestimating the quality of the Jezebeler arguments. They’re all “you have a small penis” and “you have low self-esteem.” Not exactly the type of intellectually staggering arguments that would stump most people, just ad hominems.
And to the person who said only Lee used the small penis insult, reread the comments section. There are two others who use it. And over at Jezebel, the “small penis” commenters make up over half the responses.
anon got wet for roissy:
I am currently nauseated
larry summers laughed.
by the absolutely hypocritical nature of this post, which pretty much implies that the vast majority of women are sluts.
incorrect. my post implies no such thing. half of american women have fewer than the median number of lifetime sexual partners, so logically, at least half of american women are not sluts.
News flash: Men can be sluts too.
and your point is?
And if you’ve done this much research into what makes a woman a slut, I’m betting you’re a slut yourself.
the penis abides.
T. AKA Ricky Raw,
Roissy is severely insecure and I’d argue that you are too if you’re eating the tripe that he’s serving on this blog.
How do I know that he is insecure? He needs a woman who dislikes sex in order to feel masculine or “alpha” (FYI: an incredibly tight vagina is also a sign that the woman isn’t enjoying your penis). The idea of a woman being his equal scares the crap out of him. His ignores logic to protect his ego.
You can’t seriously believe the bullshit in his blog posts. He can’t seriously believe this bullshit.
vanessa stepped into the ring:
Roissy,
“GET OFF MY BLOG!”
It’s called blocking commenters. If you’re so insecure, go ahead and do it.
insecurity has got nothing to do with it.
i have a free speech policy here. however, some tards are so insufferably annoying in their stubbornly tedious tardishness (hi chic! hi fat shit nicole!) that in order to keep the flow of comments unobstructed by useless debris, i occasionally selectively moderate the worst offenders. for instance, i delete inane comments that say nothing more than “cosign” when i see them.
otoh, if a troll is especially creative and i get a laugh out of it, i will encourage them to stop by more often.
ps the “get off my blog” line is a cultural reference. radio personality bob grant used to berate stupid callers with “GET OFF MY SHOW”.
Though I am curious to know if you can rationally respond to the arguments presented in the comments section. When stumped you repeatedly spew insults.
i have responded with precise logic along with the delicious cruelty that i dish out for my own entertainment. that you cannot comprehend that says more about you than it does about me.
p.s. The drawing up above is funny. Did you intentionally draw the the black man’s penis twice the size of your own white penis?
my virtual penis was too large to fit in the microsoft paint window.
time to upgrade to a 60″ LCD.
It almost looks as if the boy in the drawing is frowning at the giant black penis and not the happy girl. Was that intentional?
it’s a rorshach test. you see what you want to see.
That’s just a question, not an insult. I’m sure yours is bigger than a breadbox.
you looking to sample?
by your account roissy, EVERY woman is a slut… likely your mother, a female relatives, too.
this isn’t the first time i’ve read your blog, but i can’t believe that you’re reveling in (and perpetuating) in such stupid, perverse, antiquated racial and social stereotypes.
and what’s with insulting readers who are offended by your clearly offensive post?
BTW, since you’re into labeling people, you should know that most of the Jezelbellers are highly educated and very likely much smarter than you are, T. AKA Ricky Raw. Oh wait that means they’re also career driven, jeez that makes them sluts!
“it’s a rorshach test. you see what you want to see.”
Touché! We clearly see the world differently.
vanessa begged for my sadistic glee:
He needs a woman who dislikes sex in order to feel masculine or “alpha”
prove this.
(FYI: an incredibly tight vagina is also a sign that the woman isn’t enjoying your penis).
or a sign she’s asian.
The idea of a woman being his equal scares the crap out of him.
prove this.
His ignores logic to protect his ego.
prove this.
You can’t seriously believe the bullshit in his blog posts. He can’t seriously believe this bullshit.
if you wish to continuing lying about me and engaging in the lamest sort of tard sophistry, i will happily put you on my target designation list, like i did to those lying cunts before you.
your choice, vanessa.
choose wisely.
It’s his alpha/beta schtick which i find most funny: he’s breaking the ‘gentleman’s code’ (errr, right) even writing that shit down. Men have thought that stuff time immemorial. I mean, fellas, whaddyathink – this is original?!
Mentions of sperm, much? More cocks than you could shake a shitty stick at. In fact the ‘rawdogged’ slut so pounded here isn’t, I suspect, really his subject. It’s the jizz-soaked Rites of Man – and it’s smelly.
Whoever wrote this will never be a good husband. His vanilla, redneck, baptist wife’s limp hand around his chipolata will soon get old: he’ll be banging hot black chicks with bare minges on barstools while his screaming toddlers slowly inheret his vile stupidity.
*Loves his Slut, Heart and Soul*
This is sick.
You really need to get a life and stop acting like such a misogynistic twat
“your choice, vanessa.
choose wisely.”
Ooooo… Roissy, your Alphamaleness is intimidating me. Ok, here goes….
“vanessa begged for my sadistic glee:
He needs a woman who dislikes sex in order to feel masculine or “alpha”
prove this.
Nothing can be proven, Roissy, but I’ll argue it as best I can using this one blog post (I’m not reading the rest of your site).
First let’s try taking your assertions about sluts and instead of saying “Here is a list of tramp tells:” we’ll say “Here’s a bunch of things that make me feel very insecure about my manhood” and then we’ll see if it makes sense, okay? Ok. This little header seems to fit with a large number of your points.
Here’s a bunch of things that make me feel very insecure about my manhood.
by Roissy the ‘Alphaman’
“She broaches the subject of sex first.”
Why you’re insecure:
First, she should not bring up the subject of sex because you are the Alphamale, you are the one hunting her, not the other way around. Being the hunter is your role. When she tries to seduce you, to hunt you, while that just makes you feel like a little girl (and even though little girls are incredibly adorable, you don’t want to be one). Second, when she brings up sex first it makes you think she’s a slut and sluts scare you. Sluts are your equal.
“She suggests kinky sex acts”.
Why you’re insecure: She might better in bed than you are. She is probably comparing you to other men. She might like sex and you won’t be able to satisfy her. (I have an idea, Roissy! Try to marry an inexperienced girl who doesn’t know any better than to be happy with what little you have to offer).
“She frequently goes commando.”
Why you’re insecure: She likes her own vagina. She’s sexual and she’s proud of it. Soon she’ll realize that you don’t have much to offer her except for self-hate thinly veiled as male bravado.
“She shows a lot of cleavage all the time.”
Why your insecure: Gosh, all of these observations point to one thing, don’t they? You’re insecure about your own masculinity. Her breasts and big, beautiful and powerful. It’s almost as if you’re unable to use your brain when you look at them. She has power over you. I know how you should deal with this! Call her a slut! Degrade her and demean her to make yourself feel better. “Slut!” There, that helps. Now go hug mommy.
“She *really* seems to know what she’s doing in bed.”
Why you’re insecure: You have no idea what turns her on and this makes you feel like less than a man. I know, call her a slut and and then go hug mommy.
“She has an impressive collection of vibrators and admits to wacking off to porn.”
Ok, so women don’t “wack off.” You know the female anatomy, right? Ok, I believe you.
Why you’re insecure: She likes sex. This must mean that she is good at it and she knows what turns her on. What if you don’t turn her own? Ah, don’t worry about that, just call her a slut and….
You guessed it! Go hug mommy. Mommy is certainly no slut.
“She’s OK with making out in bars.”
Why you’re insecure: Oh shit. She’s comfortable with her own sexuality and…. and… you’re not. Just call her a slut, dude.
(FYI: an incredibly tight vagina is also a sign that the woman isn’t enjoying your penis).
or a sign she’s asian.
Yeah, there’s that too, but I’m guessing even the Asian girls aren’t enjoying it.
The idea of a woman being his equal scares the crap out of him.
Most of this post proves this one, Roissy. Do you seriously not see it in yourself? What would happen if you imagined yourself as a woman? If you were a woman tomorrow, would you view the world in the same way? Why is it so difficult to see the world from a different perspective? It seems to me that you’re frightened, that it threatens your ego. You berate the women posting their views and personal experiences on your blog, yet you speak about women as if you’re experiences are gospel, as if you’re some expert.
Perhaps you can just answer the question — Do you think women are equal to men, as worthy as men? Do you think it’s okay for women to make the same choices that you make? What if a smart, young, sexually experienced woman didn’t want to become emotionally involved with you because you’ve been around the block? (I’m fairly certain this has happened to you whether you realize it or not).
His ignores logic to protect his ego.
prove this.”
You’ve brushed all of the women in the comments section who don’t agree with you. Have any of these women posting on your blog opened your eyes or changed your point of view in the slightest, or are they just ALL dumb sluts? We must have something to valid to add to this discussion, since we’re sexually mature women ourselves and therefor fit into either your Madonna or Whore categories. Why are you so reluctant to respond in a civil and logical manner? Imagine for a moment that you took the word slut (and all other such words) out of your vocabulary. How would you then speak about women? You wouldn’t have the comfortable and safe fall-back position that makes you feel so manly, so alpha. You’d have to speak about women as human beings.
p.s. I happen to agree very generally speaking that artists and travelers (and I’ll add academics and feminists) like sex and are comfortable in their own bodies, but I highly doubt these types of women would sleep with the low lifes who read this blog.
roissy
fatass:
Nah, predatory sadism would be if we were in a truly public forum, and you actually had an argument that tore mine apart with a skill that can only come from true emotional and intellectual superiority.
your threat to impact testicles and buy guns against the men who torment you with their indifference or sadistic cruelty suggest your blubbery bullseye has been hit dead center.
As it is, I have yet to see even mild sadism from you.
your squeals say otherwise.
1. TRANSLATION: THERE IS NONE – THIS IS GIBBERISH.
I’d welcome the challenge if you’re up for it.
i’m having fun flaying your soul right where i am.
2. TRANSLATION: I’M TOO CHICKEN
I know a place that neither of us owns, where the guy only censors spam.
no fat chicks.
3. TRANSLATION: I CAN’T THINK OF A VALID EXCUSE SO I WILL INSULT YOUR PHYSICAL APPEARANCE
Otherwise, if you don’t mind, I was trying to discuss the issue of positive vs. negative stereotypes with TokyoJesusFist.
i can smell your fear. it smells like limburger.
4. TRANSLATION: NONE POSSIBLE – THIS IS GIBBERISH
Do you have anything constructive to add?
you’re fat. you should, like, do something about that.
5. TRANSLATION – SEE POINT 3 ABOVE
My god – this man is a pathetic individual.
Also – this 3 partners thing is a complete load of shite. Take, for example a 31 year old woman who lost her virginity aged 18 and has only ever had relationships lasting (for arguments sake) two years. Even if there were a year between each relationship she would still have had four sexual partners. Certainly not a slut by any stretch of the imagination except, of course, Roissy’s.
Before you get all excited – this isn’t me. I’m a slut by your definition – I’ve slept with 8 men, I was a barmaid, I enjoy reading books in coffee shops, I’m ‘artsy’, I show my cleavage (because I’ve got great tits), I enjoy giving gifts to people I care about and I’ve travelled (although not actually slept with any locals, FYI).
I couldn’t care less if you think I’m a slut – in fact, I’m glad of it as it would spare me your attentions were we ever to meet, god forbid.
Yours in anticipation (of your puerile responses relating to my weight and attractiveness).
Oh – looks like I’m sarcastic too – definitely a slut! Hurrah for me.
Vanessa, are you actually making contributions to the “Slut Tells” list now? You’ve added academics and feminists! You’ll fit in just fine around here after all.
This feminist invasion has been hilarious…and I do believe that we now have another sign of whether or not we can tell a female is a slut or not…
…if she gets highly upset that men discuss what is or is not the characteristics that make a woman fit the designation, she is almost guaranteed to be a slut herself.
Because a “good” woman who is NOT a slut?
She can look at the list and recognize the exact characteristics of the type of woman she herself has deliberately avoided becoming.
Feminism really boils down to one thing: this dreamworld fantasy that women can behave in any manner they choose and suffer no social stigma or commendation for her behavior.
An unachievable, dreamworld utopia. No matter how much indoctrination or propaganda our feminist corrupted society spews…no matter how many women’s studies program graduates proclaim themselves intelligent and brilliant because they are “educated” the brutal truth remains:
Most men are weary of committing to a slut.
You feminazi’s are all outraged that we men would DARE to judge a woman’s long-term mate worthiness based on her sexual history…as if that makes us some sort of hypocrites.
Sorry dears, thanks to the no-fault divorce laws, the almost-always default child custody for women, the alimony laws, the deadbeat laws, the domestic violence laws, and the child support laws that will stick a man with child support obligations even if he’s not the biological father and was tricked into it by a lying slut; these conditions wrought by the feminazi movement all give men a huge disadvantage if and when a woman decides to check out of a marriage.
Men are regularly stripped of their children and chained into debt slavery by the current system.
So if a man wants to have a family, he needs to carefully and conscientiously choose a woman that is much less likely to destroy his family simply because she’s “bored” or “unfulfilled” or “not-in-love anymore.” And the more sex partners a woman has had, the more likely that possibility can happen.
So determining a females sluttiness is one of the most important things any man can attempt to do in deciding whether or not he’s found a woman suitable to start a family with.
And for you femtards screaming misogyny and small-penis shaming language – you simply want men to remain clueless and non-judgmental and line up like sheep before the slaughter of the current feminist-centric system.
Ergo, you want men to pay the price and bear the responsibility of irresponsible sexual behavior and for all women to avoid any and all consequences for hers.
Sorry dears, but your bullshit no longer flies for we men who know the reality of our current culture and society.
i never doubted jezebellers weren’t highly educated. in fact, i’m sure they are. what i doubt is that they’re smart. the two are not always synonymous.
most feminist brainwashing indoctrination occurs at institutions of higher learning, so of course they have to be highly educated to end up so clueless. but they aren’t very bright or capable of intelligent discourse, as indicated by the same 3 arguments used over and over: low self-esteem, small penis, and lame sarcasm.
to your credit though, at least you’ve tried to engage the substance of the arguments on their merits.
Check it out, Dave is Bill O’Reilly.
To Vanessa:
If you’ve behaved in the past in any of the “slutty ways” that Roissy has indicated (as by your defense of sluttiness and attempted castigation of Roissy via claims of his insecurity), then my guess is that 10 years from now you’ll be divorced from your husband.
And I’ll bet that you’ll be the one who initiates divorce proceedings too.
Don’t forget Vanessa…I have a really, really small penis, I can’t get laid, I’m insecure and I’m a loser!
T. AKA Ricky Raw,
You talk about “feminist brainwashing indoctrination” but feminism is nothing more than the belief in equality between the sexes. Sure there are big universities where academics analyze people like you and your messed up view of the world, but that’s not all there is to feminism. I know plenty of bright women who became feminists at age 12 when they developed breasts and were suddenly treated with disrespect and disdain.
Dave from Hawaii,
Feminism is not an imagined utopia. Sure, sexism exists (clearly) but many women live with mature, loving, intelligent, masculine men who respect and love them. There are families, communities where both men and women thrive and are treated with dignity and respect. I understand that this is not your world, but there are plenty of us who are doing just fine despite your existence. You fellows are the minority.
“Don’t forget Vanessa…I have a really, really small penis, I can’t get laid, I’m insecure and I’m a loser!”
Really? okay.
In all seriousness, your penis is probably average and you probably get laid. I’m going to agree with you on the insecure loser part.
Oh my word, you’re over forty? I.. I can’t even put into words how gleeful that makes me. I didn’t think your obsession with young women could become any creepier, but- somebody pop the champagne- it has!
I just adore how you’ve decided that the commenter nicole must be fat. It’s so clever! You and Agnostic both must to find a way to bottle that genius and sell it. Could I be ugly, please? Oooh, or you could pretend that I’m really hairy.
T. AKA Ricky, you’re being willfully misleading. Only three commenters presented either “you must have a small penis” (Lee13, who already explained why) or “you must have low self esteem” (crenshaw and Vanessa, who has also presented a number of viable arguments) as a possibility for his frightening views.
Please stop pretending like that’s entirely what the negative comments have consisted of. It’s just disingenuous: we can all read the comments, dear.
Guys,
The funny thing here is that pretty much no matter what a woman does, if it doesn’t jibe with your view of the world, if she isn’t behaving as you’d like her to, if she doesn’t stroke your ego, she’s a big slut. This has nothing to do with her sexuality but, when you call her this name, it makes you feel better about yourself.
I don’t care what you guys call me. This isn’t highscool (or is it? seriously?). I’m a very secure woman. As much as it bugs the hell out of you: I define me. You don’t define me. I certainly don’t seek your approval.
I am defending the ’sluts’ that you write about. I think women who like sex (who by Roissy’s definition are sluts — see above) are likely far more interesting than the self-deprecating prudes who would consider having a long-term relationship with a guy like Roissy. That’s not to say that I don’t feel bad for all the women who come in contact with Roissy (’cause I really do).
You’re right, it’s a very real dystopia that has fostered a gender war and destroyed the institution of the nuclear family.
Absolutely…women who are not sluts are typically the type you find in such communities.
Women who are sluts? They hyperventilate when men DARE to try and judge them for their promiscuous behavior.
Show me a lady worthy of dignity and respect, and I will gladly give it…a slut? She is not worthy of the respect and dignity, no matter how much you fem-tards demand it.
There is only one thing a slut is good for…and making a family with her is definitely not it.
I said “small penis” was the main response here and back at Jezebel. As in, if you take both comments sections TOGETHER it is the top comeback.
To Vanessa:
If you’ve behaved in the past in any of the “slutty ways” that Roissy has indicated (as by your defense of sluttiness and attempted castigation of Roissy via claims of his insecurity), then my guess is that 10 years from now you’ll be divorced from your husband.
And I’ll bet that you’ll be the one who initiates divorce proceedings too.
Man, I have behaved in those ways! I love to travel and I’m an artist (a really good one too!). Jeez, I’m such a big fucking slut (I also like to swear!). Let’s see, what else…hmm… well… I’m white, but I do like to kiss in a bar… I give up! You decide! Wait, wait, I can figure it out… I’m an independent thinker who doesn’t care what you think of me, I’m fairly certain I’d never give you the time of day if we met in person, so I guess that makes me a huge slut! Ah shucks.
So this is the kind of logic that passes for a intelligent, highly educated feminist?
You have displayed an utter failure at basic reading comprehension.
None of you feminists have bothered to address the primary point roissy made in his initial post:
Rather than addressing this point, you have all resorted to utterly predictable ad hominem’s, baseless speculation and typical feminist-based condescension.
So “in all seriousness” Vanessa, tell us if I’ve got your basic premise: men should simply not judge a women’s sexual history at all, and that we should all just commit to any possible slut or whore and not worry about the potential consequences?
Really, Dave, really????
You’re painting a beautiful portrait of yourself.
My bad…I thought you would actually respond logically and coherently.
Seems like a reasonable question Vanessa.
“So “in all seriousness” Vanessa, tell us if I’ve got your basic premise: men should simply not judge a women’s sexual history at all, and that we should all just commit to any possible slut or whore and not worry about the potential consequences?”
Dave,
I think you should judge women in the same way that you judge yourself. If you’ve had sex with three people, then sure I guess it’s fair to judge your wife negatively if she’s had more than three sexual partners (actually, I really think it’s silly and points to your own insecurity, but your free to do what you like). Do I personally believe that a large number of sexual partners makes anyone – a man or a woman – automatically undesirable? No, not really. I’m pretty liberal. I voted Obama!
How do you feel about him? (You being from Hawaii and all).
I agree that divorce ruins the nuclear family and that feminism has lead to divorce, but I’d argue that many men are to blame for this. It’s difficult for men to see women as equal. Women want careers, help around the house, respect, etc, etc. and plenty of men can’t handle that (my finger is pointing at you, Dave in Hawaii).
In fact, with the rise of equality between the sexes, many women no longer need men to take care of them. Many women are just looking for a loving partner, an equal (if you will). Too many guys aren’t willing to play along and so women aren’t settling down, aren’t getting married. They don’t need to.
Why did I get married then? I love him. He’s a great man. We’ll have kids soon. Don’t I sound like a crazy, scary feminazi???
doofus_now:
Oh my word, you’re over forty?
who are you addressing? if it’s me, no, i’m not.
but the truth of what i say wouldn’t change if i were.
I just adore how you’ve decided that the commenter nicole must be fat.
again, are you addressing someone?
nicole posted links to her pic here. the evidence was clear. she has also admitted to being a fat ugly cow, so my reminding her of her self-assessment shouldn’t bother her so much in theory.
and yet it does.
lock and load, moocow, you’ve got some testicles to impact!
Could I be ugly, please?
you already are.
Oooh, or you could pretend that I’m really hairy.
redirect to: peter.
Guys, I’d also like to add this:
Yes, of course there is a chance that a woman that you love will cheat on you and break your heart. You can try to avoid this by following Roissy’s little guidlines, but you’re only making yourself a vile person in the process and ultimately wasting your time.
Consider the nearly virginal lady with the perfectly small sexual organ. What if 10 years into the marriage she gets bored with you and decides that she wants to explore relationships with other men? This happens.
What if she hasn’t had a lot of sex because she just doesn’t like it? What if she buys into these ideas that you have about gender roles and therefore views herself as lesser than you? Seriously, you want to marry a woman with poor self-esteem?
[Vanessa]
This:
“You can try to avoid this by following Roissy’s little guidlines, but you’re only making yourself a vile person in the process and ultimately wasting your time.”
Requires proof.
Please explain in detail how learning “Inner and Outer Game” makes “yourself a vile person in the process”
Thanks.
But you also state that the influx of negative commenters must be from Jezebel. If that was true, and they only had “he has a microscopic dick!” as an argument, there would be far more than three commenters bemoaning roissy’s tiny penis or lack or self-esteem. See, logic isn’t hard at all!
Also, the likelihood of considering oneself a feminist increases with years of schooling (as does the likelihood of liberal political views), so your claim that feminists are “dumber” than the average woman is, again, disingenuous.
Another thought: the women commenting on the ridiculousness of roissy’s article at Jezebel.com would joke about the size of his penis amongst themselves. It is exactly analogous to how ugly or fat women are mocked on this site. Why post detailed counter-arguments there when they can come here and do just that?
Vanessa
What if she hasn’t had a lot of sex because she just doesn’t like it? What if she buys into these ideas that you have about gender roles and therefore views herself as lesser than you? Seriously, you want to marry a woman with poor self-esteem?
Why is it that a belief in gender roles requires a belief in gender inequality. There are women who would rather be a mother to their children than climbing the corporate ladder. You think they have poor self-esteem? How judgmental of you.
And it’s not like I’m biased. Both my parents worked and my mom was a great mom. But I certainly wouldn’t have thought she was any less smart if she had stayed home with me.
Their case was unique because they had equal earning power. What if there is no chance of me marrying someone with equal earning power. It makes more sense for her to work 40 hours a week with relatively little financial benefit to us just so she can be equal to me in your eyes.
What’s with this obsession of pointing out people’s insecurities for making simple observations about the realities of the world?
Your outrage and shotgun blast of insults that make up most of your participation on this thread actually points to your own insecurities…perhaps you should look up the word “projection?”
Who said automatically? We’re talking about statistical probabilities. The more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely it is that she can and would cheat, cuckold and/or divorce you.
As a libertarian that holds both Republicans and Democrats in equal contempt, I’ll say this much: I’m not overly impressed with Obama’s political platform – he’s just toeing the standard, liberal, democrat/socialist/feminazi party line – and the public emasculation he’s endured at the hands of his wife have not reflected on him as a husband and father particularly well.
Seeking Alpha the logical jump you just made from “a woman who likes having sex” to a woman “who would rather be a mother to [her] children than [climb] the corporate ladder” was dizzying, truly.
Vanessa was quite clearly discussing the “double standard” of gender roles as it concerns sexuality and number of sex partners. I fail to see how you got to the “working mother vs. stay-at-home mother” argument from there. How asinine of you.
Please explain in detail how learning “Inner and Outer Game” makes “yourself a vile person in the process”
Why you’re becoming a vile person by listening to Roissy:
Roissy has given you “a list of tramp tells” which, if followed, have the potential to make the lives of many women pretty terrible. Moocoo (you know, the father of two daughters
made a good point above. She basically said that when you guys assume a woman wants to have sex with you (because she is black, or because she wears green sweaters, or whatever crazy ideas you come up with) that puts women in danger. Not here in America so much (except for the odd rapist) but in some foreign countries, certainly.
By treating women as lesser beings (you can agree that you’re doing this, right, or do I have to go over that too?) you are missing out on meaningful relationships with an equal (in this way you’re just sad, not vile).
What I think is vile is your disrespect for women in general. I know you’ll say, “but I only disrespect women who sleep around, not my lovely wife or my lovely daughter” (or something like that) but the thing is that these actions only apply to women, right? They don’t apply to you. They don’t apply to other men. Why? Because you’re a guy and therefore above these rules. You’re above her.
I’m not saying you’re destined to be a vile person, because you’re not. (I believe in redemption.)
@vanessa,
First off, I’m a woman. I will agree with you that many of the men at this site are vile and bitter. I’ll agree that some of the bitterness is generated at the site, by men who can not trust and are can no longer be genuine towards women. To their credit, however, they find data to support their views.
Your argument above is based only on a series of “what ifs”. You create this straw-lady prude with mythical problems.
SHOW ME THE DATA. Where’s the data that sluts are capable of long marriages? Where’s the data that sluts are desired by men for long-term commitments? Stop with the “what if” wishes. Where’s the data that virgins have low self-esteem?
Seeking Alpha,
I agree with everything you said. I think a lot of women are maternal and want to be home with their children. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I also think there are plenty of self-respecting and intelligent women who love sex. All of this is a great thing. It’s about choice.
Telling yourself that doesn’t make it true.
Dave from Hawaii,
We’re going to have to disagree and leave it at that.
About this comment:
“Than he will suffer mightily at the hands of the divorce court, all because he made the crucial mistake of marrying a “feminist.””
He’s actually at an advantage if that were ever to happen. I’m the breadwinner in a giant way.
Several commenters continue to cite ‘unquestionable realities’ and ’statistical proof’ that the number of a woman’s sexual parters correlates with later infidelity, yet they provide no data to support this.
It is fairly ridiculous to demand commenters to “prove” something they’ve written about the author after reading his blog (how does one prove something like that?). It is not, however, ridiculous to require the scientific journals which provided you with these “statistics.” So please provide them and substantiate your bogus claims.
Vanessa,
So you take back your comment about a woman who believes in gender roles necessarily having low self-esteem? That’s big of you.
No where did Roissy say that a woman who loves sex isn’t self-respecting or intelligent. What he says, and I think most people would agree, is that woman who sleep around often are more likely to cheat than woman who don’t.
And it isn’t a love sex / hate sex thing. You’re trying to make it that by using ‘a woman who loves sex’ instead of ”a woman who has many partners’.
My girlfriend loves sex. She’s constantly horny. And she was a virgin when she met me. Why? Because her parents were immigrants from a conservative country who instilled traditional values in her about family and marriage. And now she will be married at a very young age (for America) to a kind, successful man who treats her well, but also treats her like a woman and not an androygenous (sp?) ‘partner’.
You know I think that might be a useful distinction. ‘Partner’ vs., say ‘teammate’. Partner seems to implying equality in the sense of, we’ll both make money, we’ll both raise the kids, we’ll both split all duties equally.
Teammate recognizes separate roles without inequality. A pitcher and a catcher has separate roles on the team. They’re not unequal. They both have the same goal… for the team to win, but they’re not trying to play the same position.
Vanessa:
What I think is vile is your disrespect for women in general. I know you’ll say, “but I only disrespect women who sleep around, not my lovely wife or my lovely daughter” (or something like that) but the thing is that these actions only apply to women, right? They don’t apply to you. They don’t apply to other men. Why? Because you’re a guy and therefore above these rules. You’re above her.
“Above” has got nothing to do with it.
Men (as a group) and women (as a group) are different.
These differences are due to biology. Men and women employ different mating strategies because of this.
Get over it already.
Vanessa:
“She basically said that when you guys assume a woman wants to have sex with you (because she is black, or because she wears green sweaters, or whatever crazy ideas you come up with) that puts women in danger.”
Not So… the sluttiness is on a scale. One or two tells…not so bad. It’s when you get the entire spectrum that the trouble starts. That is … if you’re looking for commitment.
Look. It’s easy for a nutcase to take any information and use it as a personal soapbox for their own craziness…that doesn’t make it any less valid.
To say that “Game puts women in danger”….is a bit of a stretch. Guns don’t kill people….
By treating women as lesser beings (you can agree that you’re doing this, right, or do I have to go over that too?)
Not lesser…not equal…different. There are specific things that women repond to… in order to feel attraction. Status, Leadership…Confidence…Social Awareness…
Feeling attraction for these things for women is as unavoidable as men feeling attraction for a nubile hottie.
These are biological facts. What women say they are attracted to IS NOT the same as what attracts them.
you are missing out on meaningful relationships with an equal (in this way you’re just sad, not vile).
Define meaningful.
–D
You mean you and he aren’t “equal?”
Vanessa:
agree with everything you said. I think a lot of women are maternal and want to be home with their children. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I also think there are plenty of self-respecting and intelligent women who love sex. All of this is a great thing. It’s about choice.
So what happened to your veneration of “choice” when a man is being discriminating to FIND that very maternal woman you applaud above?
Damn formatting.
Vanessa:
“She basically said that when you guys assume a woman wants to have sex with you (because she is black, or because she wears green sweaters, or whatever crazy ideas you come up with) that puts women in danger.”
Not So… the sluttiness is on a scale. One or two tells…not so bad. It’s when you get the entire spectrum that the trouble starts. That is … if you’re looking for commitment.
Look. It’s easy for a nutcase to take any information and use it as a personal soapbox for their own craziness…that doesn’t make it any less valid.
To say that “Game puts women in danger”….is a bit of a stretch. Guns don’t kill people….
“By treating women as lesser beings (you can agree that you’re doing this, right, or do I have to go over that too?) ”
Not lesser…not equal…different. There are specific things that women repond to… in order to feel attraction. Status, Leadership…Confidence…Social Awareness…
Feeling attraction for these things for women is as unavoidable as men feeling attraction for a nubile hottie.
These are biological facts. What women say they are attracted to IS NOT the same as what attracts them.
“you are missing out on meaningful relationships with an equal (in this way you’re just sad, not vile). ”
Define meaningful.
–D
“First off, I’m a woman.”
I’d listen to you anyway, regardless of your sex (just so you know).
Your argument above is based only on a series of “what ifs”. You create this straw-lady prude with mythical problems.
SHOW ME THE DATA. Where’s the data that sluts are capable of long marriages?
Yeah, I’m not aware of such a study. Sorry. I’m not trying to make that argument though. What I’m saying is that I believe this notion of the evil, cheating slut is a construct. Frankly, the idea of the ’slut’ is kind of silly too. By slut, do we mean women who’ve slept with more than 3 men, or just women who enjoy sex in general? Might women who enjoy sex in general be more likely to cheat? Maybe, but women who don’t like sex might be more likely to be miserable. Sure, the cheating madonna is a story I made up. Maybe she exists, maybe not but by trying to hedge your bets, by trying to avoid certain types of women because you think they might cheat on you — I think this is a waste of time (even if you feel you have stats to back it up). I think that by categorizing women based on their skin color, or how much they like to travel, etc, etc, makes the world a shittier place. We all have it rough as it is. I don’t think all men are assholes (quite the contrary). I try to see each person as an individual and I understand that my own experiences might not explain who they are. I know I still haven’t provided the stats you’re looking for. Sorry about that.
Where’s the data that sluts are desired by men for long-term commitments?
I did not say that. I don’t think men seek out sluts the way these guys seek out madonnas. I do however believe that the idea of the ’slut,’ this obsession , is not as widely prevalent as these guys seem to think. I think these guys are obsessed with hating women.
Stop with the “what if” wishes. Where’s the data that virgins have low self-esteem?
I’m saying that a woman who wants to marry Roissy most likely has low self-esteem. I have no statistics to back up that claim (it’s just a hunch).
Where’s the data that sluts are capable of long marriages?
Again, no data. Sorry. I bet that I could find a study that says that women who like sex are happier in their marriages. Would that suffice?
The bitter people in this blog are the ones complaining about it. I do think, however, that there are lots of unlaid betas reading but not commenting here, that are also bitter and enjoy this blog only because it criticizes women, and because it shows how to have sex with them.
Vanessa , you really said that you are the breadwinner in a gigantic way? So I will correct Dave´s prediction about you. You won´t divorce him because deep inside you know how the sexual market works and don´t want to stay alone in old age. But I would not expect his DNA to appear in your all of children.
Vanessa, you keep substituting ‘women who like sex’ for ’sluts’. There’s a big difference. Every guy here wants a woman who likes sex. What they would look for in a woman they want to marry is someone who not only likes it, but who doesn’t view it the same way they view tennis or seeing a movie – just a fun activity to do with a friend – but as something more meaningful.
Frankly, the idea of the ’slut’ is kind of silly too. By slut, do we mean women who’ve slept with more than 3 men, or just women who enjoy sex in general?
The only person who said it means women who enjoy sex in general was you. You’re trying to turn it into the second so that you don’t feel bad about the first. But a woman who sleeps around a lot, whether she enjoys it or not, is a slut.
Save a minority in big cities, all women want to marry and have kids. Even the sophisticated ones that travel around the globe :
http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/355393/37566728
So you take back your comment about a woman who believes in gender roles necessarily having low self-esteem? That’s big of you.
Sorry to disappoint. I didn’t do that. Read it again.
No where did Roissy say that a woman who loves sex isn’t self-respecting or intelligent.
(I’m paraphrasing here)
Signs that she’s a slut:
->She brings up sex (my interpretation is that maybe she likes to talk about sex because she likes sex).
-> She’s good in bed (probably because she likes sex)
-> She suggests kinky acts (because she likes sex)
-> She goes commando (because she likes sex)
Sluts aren’t self-respecting or intelligent, right?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if a woman hasn’t had much sex, she probably doesn’t like it. No, she doesn’t need dozens of sexual partners to prove that she likes sex but, yeah, I’m guessing most women who’ve slept with just three men probably don’t like sex. What about your guys friends that have slept with just three women — do they love sex?
And it isn’t a love sex / hate sex thing. You’re trying to make it that by using ‘a woman who loves sex’ instead of ”a woman who has many partners’.
Yeah, I think there’s a correlation, though I’m not saying women who’ve had very few partners hate sex. I have a good friend who is Catholic and a virgin at 28 and I think she probably would love to have sex.
My girlfriend loves sex. She’s constantly horny. And she was a virgin when she met me. Why? Because her parents were immigrants from a conservative country who instilled traditional values in her about family and marriage. And now she will be married at a very young age (for America) to a kind, successful man who treats her well, but also treats her like a woman and not an androygenous (sp?) ‘partner’.
Okay. Congratulations. Women love feeling like women, btw. I think you’ve misunderstood me.
Sorry to disappoint. I didn’t do that. Read it again.
You wrote ‘I agree with everything you said’. So do you or don’t you think that a woman who buys into gender roles necessarily has low self-esteem? It has to be (a) or (b).
A lot of your opinions on women who haven’t had a lot of sex not liking it have to do with your age. Me and my girlfriend are in our young 20s and started dating in college. I agree if a woman hasn’t had any sex by 28 she’s probably a little messed up about it. Then again, if a traditional girl like that hasn’t gotten married by her age, she has bigger problems.
Gig,
“But I would not expect his DNA to appear in your all of children.”
That made me laugh out loud.
Seeking Alpha,
I’m 30. My age does affect my perspective, yeah. Women talk about these things.
@Vanessa,
cudos for staying on topic.
You know what slut means. and you could wager your own bets on women who have what it takes to champion a long-term marriage. A slut is an emotionally-scarred woman who was so desperate for male attention that she put herself at peril of heartache. The manwhores here don’t address it, but many of them also are emotionally scarred and incapable of trust and respect, which are foundational for any long term commitment.
You make statements re: women enjoying sex. Until you have studied women who’ve gone through childbirth, body changes, long-term marriages, work exhaustion, etc, then you have no data to predict which women will enjoy sex long-term.
I bet that I could find a study that says that women who like sex are happier in their marriages. Would that suffice?
Bring it on, but a good study is LONGitudinal, libido fluctuates.
“You won´t divorce him because deep inside you know how the sexual market works and don´t want to stay alone in old age.”
Wait, couldn’t I just buy a companion in my old age??
Vanessa:
(I’m paraphrasing here)
Signs that she’s a slut:
->She brings up sex (my interpretation is that maybe she likes to talk about sex because she likes sex).
-> She’s good in bed (probably because she likes sex)
-> She suggests kinky acts (because she likes sex)
-> She goes commando (because she likes sex)
The relevant factor common to all these “tells” isn’t the “liking sex” part.
It’s the “lack of discretion” part.
And before you open your trap, no — I don’t think any of these by themselves makes a woman a slut. It’s the gestalt that matters.
That said, I’ve got nothing against sluts when all I’m looking for is a consequence-free good time.
Enter The Mu…
Vanessa, it appears that you and several other posters in the forum, possibly from the Jezebel site, take issue with Roissy on a number of points, particularly as it relates to the Slut issue.
If I may, I’d like to call your attention to perhaps his most controversial statement in this regard: that Black Women were, on average sluttier than other Women.
Now…
If you disagree with that proposition, why, and what evidence can you back it up with? For my part I think I can offer enough evidence to make one reconsider Roissy’s observation.
Please keep in mind that these comments come from a Black Man, and as such I think it fair to say that I know at least as many Black Women as you. Possibly more. And while I don’t feel great about Roissy’s point, taken together with the evidence in this regard its hard for me to ignore his view.
Your response?
Salaam
Mu
@Vanessa,
Stop with the “what if” wishes. Where’s the data that virgins have low self-esteem?
I’m saying that a woman who wants to marry Roissy most likely has low self-esteem. I have no statistics to back up that claim (it’s just a hunch).
I can not begin to speculate on the characteristics of a woman willing to marry R. I would predict problems , however, because R. is a DSM-IV codified narcissist,and lacks the capacity to trust. I think he has the capacity to respect a woman, but will rage when she somehow disappoints him.
anony:
I would predict problems , however, because R. is a DSM-IV codified narcissist,and lacks the capacity to trust. I think he has the capacity to respect a woman, but will rage when she somehow disappoints him.
In other words, he’s like virtually every other man in existence who has standards.
@TP
In other words, he’s like virtually every other man in existence who has standards.
These are not standards, they are flaws. And yes, all of us have flaws.
I’m a woman and unfortunately, I have to agree with Roissy on many of these points. Thanks for giving me a heads up on better covering my tracks.
So women shouldn’t want to marry guys who are attractive enough to women to get lots of them into bed.
Good thing we cleared that up.
Now all you’ve got to do is go out and rewire the brains of like 95% of the women in the world to no longer automatically find men more attractive who are preselected by other women. Good luck with that project.
On the other hand, the way the world actually works is that guys don’t want to commit to slutty women unless they have no better options (maybe she’s much hotter than the equivalent less slutty girl he could get, maybe he’s desperate, etc.).
Uh oh, now you’ve got a two part job. Rewire women’s brains so they choose men in the same way men choose women and vice versa. Better get started. I suggest you create university departments dedicated to creating propaganda as a first step.
Men who have standards are pathological narcissists with trust issues and anger problems? Sounds more like someone who can’t afford to have standards.
Mu: the burden of “proof” is on roissy, who made the claim initially. Oh, and anecdotal, “I’ve known/dated/seen tons of black women” doesn’t count. Let’s see the peer-reviewed journal in which these “facts” are found.
Tupac: so “being good in bed” results from a lack of discretion? Women should pretend to be bad in bed to be more …discrete? I think your logic is just slightly flawed here.
Same issue with “bringing up kinky sex acts”– my understanding was that this was in the context of a relationship, not on a first or second date. In the context of a relationship it doesn’t belie some lack of discretion, it shows trust. It also shows that you’re GGG, but for some reason I doubt you’ve encountered many women who are.
Vanessa, i’ll explain something to you briefly.
You sound like an upper class girl either by birth or by virtue of your work. Just like that Patty Blagojevoich Roissy eviscerated . You know that to keep being invited to the parties and cerimonies of the upper class you belong to you NEED A COMPANION. He can’t be a gigolo, for people will be offended and stop inviting you. He MUST BE someone acceptable by your peers. We all know that past a certain age (i am 25 and brazilian) there are more and more programs for couples and single people tend to congregate themselves in ever shrinking groups. Specially for women. I have been to so many birthday parties f girls at their 25 th in 2008 that i have some pretty strong impressions about that age’s impact on wmonen
You can go with a lesbian partner. In certian circles, much more in the US than in Brazil, it will be readily accepted. But it will still exclude you from some parties and cerimonies. Think about some friend that won’t invite you to her parentes 50 year marriage comemorationbecause they are traditional and won’t accept single women/lesbian. And even if they accepted, think about yourself in a table full of couples while you were the only single ???? Come on, even in the oscar people come with spouses!!!!!! And even someone like Jodie Foster feels awkward there!!!!
So your money won’t buy you any better men than the one you haVe got. You need him for your social circle. And he must be far below Rod Blagojevich in the alpha scale to accept that status. Your money won’t buy what your age repels. If you two got divorced, I bet he’ll get a girl with a higher startus than you, in Roissy’s scale. This is why I think you WON’T DIVORCE him except some major fault (he bangs a friedn of yours, or has another family for which he pays with your money….) because you need him for your social circle. But his betaness in accepting this makes me think that somehow ytou will follow your female instincts and have a child of some alpha. There are plenty commenting here.
Serenity Now…
I’ve noted this several times before, but I don’t think you’ve seen it. But here are some documented facts that supports Roissy’s contention:
African American out of wedlock birthrates are at least 70%, and have in any event been consistently higher than any other racial group in the USA for decades.
African Americans have higher rates of STDs
African American marital rates are significantly lower than Whites or Asians; most US Congressional districts that have majority Black populations report no more than a 40% marital rate among marrigable aged African Americans
African American Women in particular get more abortions than White, Asian or Hispanic Women
And, African Americans, Men and Women alike, tend to have sex earlier and have more sexual partners than do Whites
Now…
Do you dispute any of the above?
Holla back
Salaam
Mu
http://www.g21.net/radio35.html
“For example, in a Washington Post article by Daryl Fears entitled “US HIV Cases Soaring Among Black Women”, published in February of this year, we read:
Black women — the fastest-growing group of people with HIV — are not more likely to be promiscuous than other groups of women, notes Adaora A. Adimora, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill associate professor of medicine and adjunct professor of epidemiology. Instead, Adimora and colleagues report the disparity is attributable to socioeconomic conditions in African-American communities, such as unemployment, poverty, drug use, and a scarcity of men, a significant proportion of whom cycle in and out of prison systems where HIV rates are as much as 10 times those of the general population. Such conditions ‘are critically important’ to fueling HIV’s spread, said Adimora. Communities influence ’social networks, partner choices, likelihood of marriage, types of risk behaviors, as well as the consequences of risk behaviors,’ Adimora said. ‘A 22-year-old woman who has sex with multiple men in an area with very low HIV prevalence, such as a Georgetown bar for well-connected young people in D.C. politics, probably has less chance of getting infected than a 22-year-old woman who had sex with only one man in a poor D.C. neighborhood with a very high HIV prevalence,’ she explained. Though black women comprise only 62 percent of women in the District, they accounted for 90 percent of female D.C. AIDS cases, the city Health Department reported last year. ‘Incarceration directly affects sexual networks through disruption of existing partnerships,’ wrote Adimora and Victor Schoenbach, a UNC associate professor of medicine.”
Some Black men will do anything to avoid taking some responsibility for the situation…even agree with neo nazis.
Moocow,
I assume you’re speaking to/of/about me. If so, come, let’s sitdown and reason together.
I specifically stated that I wasn’t crazy about Roissy’s statement; I didn’t like it, quite frankly.
And as for HIV/AIDS, I actually know about it, as do most African Americans. I’ve lost family members to it, in one case yes, due to a married man tomcatting around indiscriminately and passing it on to his wife.
But all of that is irrelevant to a single White male like Roissy. For him the bottomline is who is more or less likely to be promiscuous, and while what you note above in the article is indeed legitimate, it still doesn’t take away from his contention, and you still have not accounted for the other things I’ve mentioned wrt Black America. For example Marital rates or out of wedlock birthrates, or general STD rates, or extremely high abortion rates.
I await your detailed responses.
Salaam
Mu
http://www.thebody.com/content/news/art40655.html?m196o
“Study: Denial Infects the Mississippi Delta — Black Women’s Attitudes Toward Safe-Sex Practices Deadly
April 17, 2007
A survey of attitudes toward HIV/AIDS among African-American women in the Mississippi Delta found troubling levels of denial and ignorance about the disease:
Nearly 85 percent of the 300 women surveyed said they would not ask their male partners if they ever had sex with men.
71.6 percent of those surveyed, ages 15 to 50-plus, engaged in casual sex without using condoms; 76.7 percent used drugs or alcohol before intercourse.
Older women, those ages 30-34 and 40-44, scored higher on an AIDS awareness test than subjects ages 15-29.
Those with greater knowledge and awareness of HIV/AIDS were about as likely to engage in high-risk sex as women who were less knowledgeable.
More than 50 percent said that anyone with AIDS deserves it, especially if he or she is homosexual, bisexual or a prostitute.
87.6 percent said HIV-positive teachers and childcare workers should be removed from their jobs.
The Delta was chosen due to its high AIDS rate, and because more than 60 percent of its residents are black, said study co-author Ademola Omishakin, professor of environmental health at Mississippi Valley State University. Residents there are among the poorest in the nation, with some 35 percent living in poverty.
“The study points out some real problems [in the Delta],” said Craig Thompson, director of the STD/HIV program for the state Department of Health. “I would suggest if they had studied just about any place else in rural Mississippi, they would have found the same results.”
Researcher Debra Lloyd, a doctoral student at Mississippi State University, presented the findings of the study — “HIV/AIDS Preventive Risk-Appraisal of Rural African American Women in Mississippi Delta: An Approach for Cultural-Specific Community Based Interventions,” in November at the conference of the American Public Health Association in Boston. ”
I’m filtering these articles down to the ones that will be easiest to read for the moronic sheeple who cling to their artifical superioritaah so tightly that they don’t even care how stupid they look.
Apparently, the HIV risk is higher among Black women in general in the U.S. because they are less likely to date out, and more *conservative*, not more “liberated” or promiscuous.
In a backwards way of trying to preserve their dignity, they’ve tied themselves to men who don’t want to marry, play for both teams on the downlow, and yet have aversion to condoms. Good Black men are out there in some numbers, but they’re usually more monogamous, and by default have less immediate impact than someone sleeping with 5+ women in a week.
Nicole,
You still have not addressed my major claims, while I *have* acknowledged yours as per the articles. Again:
How do you account for the fact that Black people marry less than anyone else?
How do you account for the fact that, HIV/AIDS aside, STD rates are higher in Black America?
How do you account for the fact that out of wedlock birthrates exceed 70% and have remained the highest in the nation per ethnic group for decades? Btw, you can source this back to, among others, Juan Williams.
And…
How do you account for the fact that Black Women get more abortions than other Women in the country?
Lastly, one culd strongly argue that the Black Women being effected by HIV/AIDS are as much to blame for not insisting their sex partners strap up. And for the record, Mu always plays with protection. Never leaves his domicile without it, and right before anything jumps off, he has his Women actually put the condom on. That way, there can be no dispute.
I’m just sayin’.
Still awaiting your detailed responses to the points made above…
Salaam
Mu
Mu, abortion is not an indicator of promiscuity, unless your definition of it is anyone having premarital sex. What it is, quite bluntly, is a vote of no confidence in the father.
Black women have more abortions because they have less social support for being single mothers.
Same reason, by the way, that the abortion rate is incredibly high in Russia, and well, anyplace else where there’s no support for being a single mom, or really any kind of poor. You’d be interested to note though that married women get abortions too, and quite often with their husband’s approval. Birth control failed, and they can’t afford more kids.
The studies in the trenches of disease control, where this stuff really matters, say that Black women are not more promiscuous than their peers of similar socioeconomic status, and that they are likely to harbor more conservative views. So there’s Roissy’s contention blown out of the water by scientists trying to fight a disease that is exascerbated by promiscuity, showing clearly that Black _male_ promiscuity (hetero and the dl), and incarceration is the reason for the higher STD rates and higher incidence of single motherhood.
Remember, divorced women and former long term cohabitants are also considered single.
So yeah, it’s smart for anyone to get a full STD screening for themselves and their partners before having sex. Nowadays, that’s just how life is. Where Black women get the shiv is because they’re so scared of embarassing themselves or their partners, or losing a partner because unless they’re screened regularly, this requires a 3-6 month “double dip”. I “beat the odds”, as do many others, because I’m not afraid to date out, and I don’t care who the guy thinks he is; if he can’t wait then he can just gtfo.
I don’t need to be promiscuous to understand that slut shaming does not make it easier for a girl to have that sit-down with her man about STD’s early on in a relationship. By talking about it, one risks being labelled as a slut, which is probably the saving grace side effect of HIV seroconversion taking about 3 months. In that time, if the guy is stupid enough to think a woman who has had sex before, doesn’t have the right to be selective, or hey, just thinks the girl is of otherwise lower status, and that’s why she doesn’t have the right to be selective, he’ll find someone else.
This is why in my opinion, it’s kind of pointless to argue. I prefer to just present the facts…and when I’m responded to with some emotional, anecdotal pipedreams and pop culture lay twisted pseudoscience, present the facts again. If you don’t get it after a few times of having the facts presented to you, then to hell with it. I kinda stop giving a crap, shake my head, and account it to a combination IQ/internal fortitude thang.
A bit of emotion for coping though, it helps if I imagine myself being the fake shock victim in one of those scientific experiments to see if people will torture someone because a guy in a white coat instructed them to. I laugh to myself imagining Roissy’s face turning red and feeling justified while pressing button sometimes. That is what he’s doing whenever he calls me childish names because he fails…pushing the button that ultimately does nothing but prove him to be more of a tool.
You guys will believe whatever’s most comfortable for your egos, the truth be damned. Now someone’s going to come out and claim that it’s a feminist conspiracy to cover up promiscuity in Black women, and the CDC is in on it…as if the upper eschelon of feminists ever gave a flying fart about Black women. See: Michelle Obama, and the reaction just after Barack won the nomination.
So in the end, for me, it’s better to be right than to be liked by the likes of Roissy and his pet rimmers.
The empirical evidence is public, and took me no more than a Google search.
can’t even finish reading this… you are an arrogant sexist racist pig
with an attitude like that you are never ever going to be happy in a relationship
clearly what lies beneath all this is some deep bitterness towards women, whether stemming from your mother, sisters or past girlfriends, you are a very sad individual
perhaps consider a life of celibacy
vanessa:
reeeeeally.
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4) women should be sent to jail and/or batterers’ programs for slapping or threatening their male partners.
5) 50% of people in dangerous jobs such as mining, ice-road trucking, and backcountry electrical-pole wiring should be female.
6) there should be as many shelters for homeless and abused men as women.
7) universities should have “men’s studies” departments whose sole purpose is to promulgate hatred against women.
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i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably don’t know any women of legal age who’ve slept with just three men.
i know plenty of women like you, dear, and none of them have that sort of “diversity” in their social circle.
look honey, it’s nice to have a sassy little parvenue like you here to spice things up, but please try to acquaint yourself with a demographic before trying to guess its preferences.
this is perhaps the most annoying of all typical lefty traits: the tendency to read the minds of entire groups with which the lefty has had little, if any, contact.
i’m glad you’re at least honest enough to admit you’re guessing. that’s refreshing.
Does anyone else find it funny that these women, who are so angry over Roissy labeling women “sluts” are coming over from a site that calls itself JEZEBEL?!?
You’ve got to be kidding me!
sigh.
fun experiment:
* go to your local mall.
* find a teenage girl (or, even better, a cougar) sporting one of those trendy “bitch” tank tops.
* address her this way with no hint whatsoever of irony or playfulness.
bonus points for pua’s: see if you can get her into bed the same day.
note: no bonus for the cougar. in fact, you receive a penalty for not being able to get the cougar into bed within one hour.
johnny 5, well said as usual.
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this whole Jezebel invasion is a case in point…
oops. this is what i was trying to quote in my last message:
>>>this is perhaps the most annoying of all typical lefty traits: the tendency to read the minds of entire groups with which the lefty has had little, if any, contact.
again, this entire farce is a prime example…
Have you ever actually BEEN with a woman, hun? The trouble with a woman being a “slut” i.e. having choices about her sexuality, means that their choice may or may not include YOU. Sad, isn’t it? You pathetic, sorry little man. Perhaps someday you’ll be lucky enough to actually have sex with a woman, though you might need to lose the xenophobic misogynistic attitude first. Keep “whacking off” to your internet porn, it’s going to be a long wait . . .
Nee,
If I may, w/all due respect I don’t think you have a firm grasp of the topic.
No one here is disputing a Woman’s right to choice insofar as sex is concerned. I’m certainly not. What is at issue here is whether one can determine, through a series of “tells”, if a Woman has had too many sex partners in a given timeframe to be considered seriously as a longterm mate. Her ability to choose or reject partners is irrelevant to that part of the discussion.
And, if I may, your very argument can be applied to the matter at hand: do you deny the right of a Man to decide, on whichever criteria he chooses, as to who will and who will not, be his longterm mate? If you favor a Woman’s right to choose her sex partners, it should stand to reason that you also support a Man’s right to choose as well.
Finally, again and with all due respect, I find the constant accusation of “misogyny” to be overwrought, overworked, and overrated. Please explain to me how any aspect of Game itself, is hateful toward Women?
Looking forward to your thoughtful and reasoned response.
Salaam
Mu
Wrong.
The trouble with a woman being a “slut” i.e. choosing to have many sexual partners, is that for a man committing to such a woman in marriage or LTR is a bad move for reasons that have already been given here.
Pick-up Artists like Roissy (I am not a PUA) continually say that they like sluts because they make their hobby easier… but they would never marry one.
On the topic of black women having sexual partners…
Correlation is not causation.
Poor and uneducated women have more sexual partners, higher rates of STDs, higher rates of out of wedlock children, etc (barring strongly religious sub-groups).
Black women in the United States tend to be disproportionately poor and uneducated. You figure out what happens.
If you take the US data from the major study on this and control for being poor and uneducated, you get roughly equivalent rates to what you see from black women, and that group includes white, asian, hispanic, etc…
The problem is being poor and uneducated.
She’s black.
Well, since your primary acquaintance with black women is the trannie hookers on 4th street, i can understand why you’d think that.
Here is an interesting thought experiment, since you can’t really prove anything, but only disprove things of this nature. Take any of your female friends who has a majority of the above characteristics and intersect that with what you know about her sexual activity. Would you in your own personal ranking system consider her above average in ‘fun girl-ness’. Obviously there are some who are actually stealthy and are really ‘fun girls’ on the downlow will not be caught by the sieve, but that doesn’t mean the sieve is completely off base…. These are just observations after all. (Although just from my personal experience the most ‘fun girlness’ I have observed has been from middle class white girls so I can see some biasing variation there) I mean for STR men LOVE ‘fun girls’. For LTR most men seek out non-fun girls. Is there a problem with his in the general sense? Btw I love ‘openly fun and openly less fun girls equally’ but I am wary of fun girls in disguise as less fun girls. It makes the business of picking LTR prospects troublesome. That is just my personal preference. Congruence with internal and external persona leads to healthy and happy behavior.
shiksa harlot – you do know that “shiksa” is an anti-Gentile pejorative that in Yiddish meant “smelling of piss,” don’t you?
Jackson,
W/all due respect the *cause* or “reason” s to *why* Black Women are “sluttier” than White Women is irrelevant. The issue here is whether Roissy’s claim indeed does have at lease *some* merit. I believe the documented facts, wildly known, would suggest, “yes”, the claim does have at least some merit.
Now, do you agree or not, and why?
Salaam
Mu
I do not believe that. The claim is probably a false generalization.
I suspect the correct generalization is that poor and uneducated women are sluttier.
“Black women” are sluttier would imply you’d expect black women of equivalent socioeconomic status and education as white / asian / hispanic / etc women to still be sluttier.
After Roissy’s claims, I actually went and looked at the studies I could find on this; that is not the case.
For the most part, the standard deviation around the results is large enough that within any group, the confidence interval is dangerously large when computed correctly (this probably has something to do with things like sexual partners and STD spreads not being normally distributed but rather following a fat-tailed paretian distribution and a fractal-style uncertain patterns that resemble turbulence, respectively) for drawing any conclusion, but the results would seem to indicate that the real dominant factors are education and socioeconomic status, not race. I wouldn’t be surprised if religion was also a factor, but didn’t find any data I thought was credible on it.
Unfortunately, education probably also correlates inversely with propensity to lie on these surveys, so I’m not sure how meaningful they are in the end… it’s entirely possible that poor and uneducated women are simply less likely to lie about being sluts.
In general, people lie like motherfuckers on these surveys, so I’d be careful about concluding anything strongly, in fact.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/health/HealthRepublish_896698.htm
http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2006/Feb06/r021306d
But, to get back to your claim, no, I don’t think black women are sluttier. The poor and stupid are.
This just seems to be huge desperate wishlist
Mu, does someone have to hit you over the head with a printout or something? The people (some Black doctors and scientists themselves) who went looking to figure out why Black women are dropping like flies from HIV were *expecting* to find more promiscuity and didn’t. They then had to look into other causes.
…and unlike the more casual surveys, they had to actually track down and test the possible carriers.
By the way, Roissy, nice that you decided not to win the Milgram experiment posterboy contest. I was almost sure that post wouldn’t see the light of day.
Back to Mu though, I think I understand a bit why the facts are so hard for you to deal with. It was hard for me to deal with when I first heard about African *American* women being riskier as far as HIV and other STD’s. I’m betting that if Roissy did any research at all before making his false claim, he probably thought he’d get away with it because in order to conclusively counter it, someone would have to mention the HIV stats.
I doubt he actually did any research though. In my many years on the internet, one of the things that keeps me from freaking out most of the time is that saying about not assigning malice where stupidity will suffice. Besides, as I mentioned before, both misogynists and misandrists have the same blind spot.
…but I understand that as surely as there is a little of the whore in most women, self included, there is a little sheeple in all people. I choose not to allow mine to take over in any topic. So don’t think for a moment that it is in any way easy for me to acknowledge my people’s shortcomings. All I’m saying is that an exceptional level of promiscuity isn’t one of them. Women being of subsaharan African descent doesn’t make them any less women, and women who aren’t screwed up, favor stable relationships.
Even the most truly misogynistic chauvanist posting here will admit to that, and even use that as a stick against women he considers inferior and unworthy of a commitment. The whole premise of the original post is that because of past sexual conduct, some women don’t deserve what the vast majority of them want, so men shouldn’t give it to them.
Whether they do or not is another topic of debate. I can’t really even debate that because it’s not my place to tell any man what he should and shouldn’t do with his own genitals. He’s grown and can make up his own damn mind. I’m grown and make up my own mind, and it’s just my *personal preference* not to get involved with uptight people even though I’ve had relatively few male partners. I don’t need a killjoy tagging along with me to play parties, or my male friends picking on me about the phantom boyfriend.
I am merely refuting the claim that a woman being Black belongs on a list of slut tells. STD risks yes, but slut tells no. Even in STD risks, I might add “from a religious family” to it. Someone afraid to speak frankly about sex, but who has sex is an infection waiting to happen.
Granted, the slut tell is his opinion, and he’s welcome to it, but it should be clear that this isn’t rooted at all in reality. When he wrote it, I considered it par for the course for a jerkwad. I didn’t really expect any better from him, so it wasn’t all that shocking. What got to me was the Black commenters lending credence to it, and the male shit testing of pretending to be open minded and then dumping a girl because one is actually a closet religious hypocrite.
Religious hypocrisy is something I utterly despise. I had to deal with that crap for years during my parents’ religious nuttiness phase, so I’m particularly sensitive to it.
I found this ironic in the midst of the Jezebellers going on and on about how they prefer nice, earnest guys to aloof guys that run game, a new Jezebel article all about how “nice guys” who show sincere interest are creepy:
http://jezebel.com/5046087/when-the-nice-guy-down-the-street-makes-you-uncomfortable
Jackson,
As a Black Man who has lived in Black America all his life, I can tell U that Black Women are, as a group, among the highest educated amon Women in America. That still does not account for the fact that Black marital rates are depressingly low, that out of wedlock births are at all time highs, and that Black Women get more abortions than any other group of Women.
So, again, can you refute this, sir?
Holla back
Salaam
Mu
i have 8 tattoos and have only been with 2 people…EVER
Nicole,
I still don’t think you’re getting my point: that one, I wasn’t at all crazy about Roissy’s premise on the subjective level; and that two, on the basis of a group of documented facts, an argument could be made in support of Roissy’s contention.
Which you still have yet to actually speak to. Neither has anyone else.
Again:
How do you account for the fact that more Black Women get abortions than anyone else?
How do you account for the fact that Black people marry less and stay together less than other groups, particularly Whites and Asians?
It has been said that Blacks have sex at earlier ages. Do you deny this and on what basis?
How do you account for the fact-FACT-that some 70% of ALL Black children are born out of wedlock?
Now…
We both agree that the *HIV* piece has a good deal to do with the Black Men involved. In no way do I condone their behavior, indeed I abhor it. Having said that though, even taking everything you said on that score as a given, you still have not addressed the other points above.
And it is all of this, taken together, that can give one such as Roissy, the impression that Black Women are, on average, sluttier than White or Asian Women.
Whether its actually true or not is in a way as irrelvant as whether all Black Men stick up Cabbies, and then I got the nerve to get mad when one passes me by. The point is that that particular Cabbie doesn’t want to take the chance based on the fact-FACT-that Black Men have a Jurisprudence Problem. We can argue the causes and reasons and this and that till we Blue-Black in the face, but that man driving that cab doesn’t have the time or inclination to navel gaze like that. I personally don’t like being passed up for cabs, as its happened to me. But just because I don’t like it don’t mean that the man doesn’t have a point.
So, you were about to address my other points raised above in relation to Black Women…
Salaam
Mu
You just know that this guy will end up marrying some naive girl who has no idea what turns her on sexually – all the better to blame his own inhibitions and insecurities on her when their sex life turns out to be rubbish! Oh, and then he can sleep around with some ’sluts’ and it will totally be his wife’s fault for being ‘frigid.’
Too freaking hilarious….
We both agree that the *HIV* piece has a good deal to do with the Black Men involved.
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I don’t know or care about the race angle, but this claim is inaccurate.
I think women are very much responsible. We live in the age of female choice, and transmission of STDs mostly depends on whether women choose responsible or irresponsible partners.
Some epidemologists even go so far as to suggest that increasing the number of men practicing hook-ups actually prevents spreading of STDs. The idea is that smaller the population of men who engage in hooking up, the faster the STDs spread.
But we all know that for short term mating women choose alphas, and the alpha population is small. The reason is not that most betas don’t like casual sex, they just can’t get any. STDs spread because women don’t want to hook up with betas.
insecure, much?
Its easy to spot a dude who’s obviously been told that he’s shit in bed or has a small cock.
good luck with whatever unfortunate christian fundo virgin you end up with. clearly she’ll be too ugly, insecure and boring to score anyone better than you.
but at least she’ll have noone to compare you with, due to her lack of experience, porn watching or travelling (or college education for that matter). a blessing for both of you.
T. ,
I read the first page of comments and It kind of confirmed Roissy´s “dating market value for men”. The jezebellers HATE being approached by low status men (clerks, counters, check out guys, salad dudes) in day-game.
They also HATE being approached by beta bosses. Even though being a boss gives some alpha status, nothing prevents betas from climbing in their careers. And those beta providers or 40 year old virgins make the jezebellers feel fear
T-Raw,
Thanks for posting up the *very recent* Jezebel piece. The problem is a very simple one: the Men in the article “creeping out” the author and her girlfriends’ major offence, was that they weren’t the RIGHT Men to approach. We all know what would have happened had a different kind of Man had stepped up front.
I also find it ironic in spades, that the very same people who talk a mean game about being “down with the people” have no compunction at all with kicking dudes like that which are described in the article to the curb. Let’s hear it for Keepin’ it Real.
It is the rare Woman indeed who not only knos what she wants, but is is clear in putting that accross. Finding such a Woman is akin to finding the Holy Grail.
Thanks Jezebel Crew, for giving Game a glowing endorsement.
Salaam
Mu
You’ll actually see this a lot on JDate, actually IN the profile: “I had fun in my 20s but now it’s time to settle down, and I’m looking for someone good-looking, intelligent, successful in his career, who knows how to treat a lady.”
Those of us on the sidelines enjoy a laugh.
[...] 9, 2009 by roissy I got a lot of trackbacks to my post on identifying sluts, and I was able to read the comments from a few of the links. This one was from a Facebook [...]
The biggest indication of whether any person, man or woman will cheat on you is if they’ve done so in the past. If a slut (man or woman) engages in sluttiness when they are not in a relationship, it shouldn’t increase their chance of cheating in a relationship provided they can get their required level of satisfaction. So I’d say both sides, men and women should be upfront with what they want and expect out of a relationship, that why the other party can decline if thats not what they want. Communication is the way of a strong, lasting relationship, not how well someone games.
(Also, I assumed all the statistics given to suggest that Black women are more promiscuous would really only show that Black women use contraception less then other groups, hence higher abortions and STDS and children out of wedlock. Lower marriage rates are also probably more indicative of a different priorities. And its a bit silly to assume someone is more promiscuous or slutty because they aren’t married.)
“Sluts aren’t self-respecting or intelligent, right?”
It doesn’t matter if they’re self respecting or intelligent. It matters that they’re sluts. I have no doubt that Dawnell Batista, the broad who stole a man’s kidney, is abundant in her self-regard and has an education comparable to her M.D. husband’s. You can see it in the photos. You can also see that she’s an utterly worthless whore by lookin’ at her, using Roissy’s “how to spot a slut” essay. Women are perfectly capable of being self-regarding cum-bubbles with Ph.D.’s in wymyn’s studies who sit on a barrel of dicks every week. That doesn’t mean any intelligent man should give them the time of day.
Vanessa:
“Roissy is severely insecure”
Just like a dumb broad to comment on a man’s emotional state, rather than whether or not he is correct. As it happens, you’re wrong: he’s secure enough to write his thoughts down and allow mental pipsqueaks like yourself comment to their little heart’s contents. “Insecure” looks more like your icon, which screams out, “look at me: I got a man!”
Nobody gives a shit about insecure, really; the facts are more interesting to people who are capable of rational thought.
[...] reasonable concerns have lead some men to argue that female passion should be shamed (even as it is enjoyed by them) so as to ensure control of sexual commitment and biological fatherhood. The key concept to such [...]
i really cant fathom why females are even bothering to comment. This is a guide compiled by a man for men, to weed out the sluts from the marriage material. No one expects the sluts to raise their hands and own up to their grim deeds, hence the need for such a survival script.
its a womans place to be judged by this system, not comment on it or try and edit it. As right or as wrong as roissy may be, it is certainly not a females place to correct him, slut or otherwise. just pipe down and be judged whores.
[...] captivated, and especially validated, by this article: “It’s Easy to Identify a Slut” Roissy in DC It’s Easy To Identify A Slut Roissy in DC Look at the entertaining comments section. The young feminists from Jezebel.com really took issue [...]
MUHow do you account for the fact that more Black Women get abortions than anyone else?
Well we are almost more prolife than any other group. Some study has it all wrong.
How do you account for the fact that Black people marry less and stay together less than other groups, particularly Whites and Asians? UM, it’s hard to get rates for Asians on most studies. For some reason you have Blacks, Hispanics and Whites but rarely Asians. The exception being a study of education. BTW, the divorce rate between Blacks and Whites are not huge. The number of White women(50%) who have never married is not much smaller than that of Black women.
It has been said that Blacks have sex at earlier ages. Do you deny this and on what basis? The average age of sexual activity is 16 in this country. What is the average age for Blacks? I can’t imagine it being any lower than the nation wide average. What I have noticed is some Black women counting child rape and molestation as the “first time”
How do you account for the fact-FACT-that some 70% of ALL Black children are born out of wedlock? Easy, Black women don’t abort unwanted children like other women do. It’s a dumb move on our part but it’s even dumber to have sex unprotected. Unfortunately, many Black men don’t want to get married anymore. You are having your moment so many of you are going from woman to woman even having multiple relationships at the same time. It’s not the sisters who are alone with their dysfunction because brothers take the same garbage and dump it onto non-black women. It’s the reason I see and know many white women with biracial babies and no husband.
Mu, I’m gonna need you and the other brothers like you to be men and manup with it comes to your mistakes. Blaming the black woman for everything that goes wrong in your life is a misstep. I know that a lot of this misplaced anger stems from many young black males growing up without farther in the home. Many of you blame your mother for your father’s absence in the home. If you want to stop or lower the 70% OOW, strap up and man up.
@hello- Where are you?
This is utter bullshit!!!!!!!
Stepping back and viewing this invasion of the Jezebelites from a sociological perspective, one can’t help but notice how out of touch they are with what many men think. Newsflash: Regardless of what they have been programmed to say in public: most men do not and will never respect easy women.
It shows how polarizing and divisive the feminization of society is. These women have really never considered that human nature will not change no matter how much energy they put into social engineering.
Being a promiscuous man may have many down sides, but such men can never elicit that deep down, gut level reaction that promiscuous women can. It takes effort to be a promiscuous man, however dubious a distinction one finds that. A woman could lay on a street naked and service many men. It won’t ever be an accomplishment for her.
Feminism can’t drive the evolution train in any particular direction. People find certain behaviors acceptable (or tolerable) and other behaviors debased for deep seated reasons that go to the heart of what makes us human, a species divided into men and women who are inherently, unchangeably different.
black men will fuck anything. Shit, men in general will pretty much fuck anything that’s willing. Add all that to the above statement about lack of education, add that to the popularity of hip hop and rap culture and the values they project (violence, materialism, drugs, promiscuity) and why am i Inot surprised that a lot of black women are more discerning when sleeping with them. ALSO, you can fuck a person once and catch an STD, so imagine a black girl who’s a virgin and she decides to give it up to the one guy who just so happens to have fucked the entire south side of chicago….bam! She probably has something. Not because she gets around. But she’s apparently 2 away from being a raging whore according to Roissy and his criteria. A woman is a slut for two reasons. The first reason being that she has som The “alpha slut.” who is her equal, she will be his nasty slut and his alone. She will buy him lots of gifts and cook him dinner and give him roadside bje emotional issues from her childhood dealing with an older male figure that she hasn’t worked through, so as an adult she mistakes sexual love and promiscuity as a substitute for that in which she is lacking, which in most cases is self-esteem and love. This kind of slut is the dangerous kind because she is fucked up in the head, and if you are a smart man, which you are not, you will sense this in her immediately and not fuck her and leave her alone so she can work her shit out on her own.Wow. I can’t believe I just read through all of that.
First and foremost, way to go Roissy. I’m almost embarassed for you. I love it how you begin this blog by expousing the most disgusting, juvenile opinion of women and their sexual habits and then launch into some pseudo-intellectual bullshit diatribe full of ridiculous data and statistical points in order to justify the only point you made, which is that YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.
I’m just waiting now for some commenter here to dissect every single fucking word I write because arguing about semantics is an excellent way to prove to me how smarter and more knowledgable you are. You can’t come up with a valid argument so you start arguing about nonsense. The first half of the comments were like this so I just scrolled past to the people who actually had valid things to say on the matter. Also, do you take that whole “alpha” and “beta” shit seriously? Jesus fucking Christ, I reread some of this and apparently you do.
To even know what a “slut tell” is, you need to know why a woman is a slut in the first place. And depending on what kind of slut she is, then you know whether or not she is girlfriend or wife material. The first kind of slut is the girl who has some emotional shit from her childhood dealing with an older male figure that she hasn’t worked through. She foolishly sleeps around, substituting sexual love for self-esteem, acceptance, emotional love, security, etc. and all those things that older male figure from her childhood never gave her. If you are a smart man, which you are not, you will sense it avoid this kind of slut entirely and let her work out her shit on her own because she is fucked up and she will try and project all that shit on you when all you wanted to do was bust a nut, eat a sandwich, and go home. This is also what makes her non-girlfriend/wife material, because she has issues.
The second kind of slut is the woman who is self-aware, confident, knows what she wants out of life, independent, social, secure, fun loving, and enjoys sex. The kind of slut you fear. You fear this kind of slut because she doesn’t give a fuck about you, your agenda, or what you think of her. And when she does find a man (and not some fuckface who got all butt hurt when another “alpha slut” burned him and became a racist woman-hater), she will be his nasty slut and his slut alone. She will buy him lots of gifts, cook him dinner, and give him head in the car on the way home from a visit at her parents’ because she respects you, you respect her and you are not a pussy who would demean her over some arbitrary double standard bullshit like how many sexual partners she has had. This makes her non-girlfriend/wife material BECAUSE SHE WOULD NEVER GET INVOLVED WITH A PIECE OF SHIT LIKE YOU, ROISSY, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
As fo r the whole “she’s black” thing, come the fuck on. That’s the dumbest fucking bullshit EVER. To put it simply, Jackson hit the nail on the head. Poor and uneducated people tend to be more promiscuous. Why, you ask? Where’s the data for that? I don’t fucking know. But if I were broke and dumb, I would probably be fucking a lot too because shit, it’s a cheap and easy way to make myself feel better about oh, I dunno, all the other depressing shit going on in my life. Yes, the number of educated black females is on the rise, but there are still many living in poor neighborhoods with subpar housing conditions, educational standards, healthcare, and so forth that lead to all these issues many of the commenters brought up. And A LOT (not all) of black men idolize hip hop and rap culture and its values (violence, drugs, materialism, promiscuity) and live that lifestyle. So imagine a black girl who is a virgin and she gives it up to one of these guys. Chances are she probably has something. Not because she’s a slut and gets around. But she’d better be careful because she’s now just two partners away from becoming a raging whore according to Roissy and his criteria.
There’s so much more to say on the matter but it’s pointless. Roissy and everyone who agrees with him is a pathetic douchebag. I think douchebag is the male equivalent of the demeaning slut. Some arrogant piece of shit swinging his dick around thinking he’s cool and all the ladies want to fuck him when in fact, no one is impressed by him. Not even his douchebag buddies.
For the record, I’m a black woman, and I have female friends of all races. Guess what? My white female friends have all slept with way more men than I have.
the thing with supporting ideas like this is why women are still belittled by men. i’m no fem nazis but i believe a girl has ever right to be sexual as much as a man without being labeled. do any of you find these words “cunt” “cum-guzzler” etc. disgusting. what if you had a woman in your life you were close to and someone called them that. are you going to act like the trash on television and beat them up to teach them a lesson? or are you going to grow some balls and stand up to your buddy checking out a piece of ass across the room. I find it repulsive that people of my generation treat eachother like this.
Did you read the article that indicates the median number of lifetime sex partners? Maybe you should…
I am all for either sex having all the good times they want.
Where I take offense is when either sex is not discrete about it. Then they are just gross, tacky and tasteless (male OR female). NO ONE CARES!
“Her cunt is cavernous.”
This is a complete myth. I recently enjoyed a female who was a rental, even and it was sooo tight. It’s like saying a guy with a big dick is a slut because it’s all swelled up from all the sex. I also remember reading some kind of medical literature which dispelled this myth from their point of view as well.
Everything outlined in the above article is purely subjective.
It is not an accurate proposition, or even valid argument, to suppose everybody fits somewhere into one persons ideas of behavior and moral views.
I would expect to find such an article was penned by a religious author, or by somebody from a similar brainwashed background.
Actually I find most of the suggestions described in this article as offensive.
[...] to spot a potential predator slut with designs on the babymaking power of your ball [...]
fuck you, you inbred racist piece of sputum. that you would presume to know anything about anything is patently ridiculous. but that you would presume to know anything about women further disgusts me. clearly, your upbringing was full of hate. and clearly your life will reflect that. I pity you, truly.
On the male sexuality issue, ALL studies done on ‘homosexuality’ are suspect, due to the fact that people have to volunteer to be studied, and tell the truth, both verbally and otherwise, when studied. On something this psychologically senstiive, this radically skews both your sample and results. (Even in ‘longitudinal’ studies, there is a fair amount of room for deception, concealment.)
And it IS psychologically sensitive, in ways that no amount so social acceptance for gays can change.
It doesn’t matter whether you are studying dating habits, brain chemistry, genes, family history etc. They all have the same problem.
Furthermore, i don’t see how this can be ethically solved. There are some things, barrring Nazi-like science practices and even then, that we may never know.
From your description, it seems like a woman couldn’t be sexually comfortable and maybe a little forward or even honest without being considered a slut. I’m guessing you’re a fundie from some of the comments you’ve made. Career ambition? Sheesh.
It’s not terribly surprising that you are both sexist *and* racist. The two often seem to go together.
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[...] recently when the self-professed polyamorous slut over at The Errant Wife linked to my post about identifying sluts and set a new land speed record for projectile menstruating an uncontrollable tizzy. Let’s [...]
Alas. I may be a teenaged Asian virgin but I am certainly not “chaste” – after all, how can I be when I am “artsy”, wear low-cut tops, travel a lot, like to buy my boyfriend gifts, am comfortable breaching the subject of sex, and am “generally disagreeable”? By the way – do you mean disdainful of everyone around her? Or just disdainful of you. Because frankly, “She” would have every reason to be. Yes indeedy, I must be a cockgobbling, cumguzzling slut. Bullshit.
Well, thankyou for advising me on my femininity. Excuse me while I fetch the chastity belt and go lock myself in a cage – after all, as a woman, what more could I want than for a more experienced, superior alpha male to make an “investment” in me.
You have insulted women, men and yourself. I naively hoped people like you did not exist. I should probably write a checklist of bastard tells so that I never have to encounter a man like you.
My my – someone sounds pretty darn “slutty” themselves, Roissy…
I imagine that you would have to be a bit of a “town bicycle” to conduct all this extensive research.
Your anecdotal evidence about so called “sluts” – a term that really reveals a lot more about YOU than it does about the victims of your immature and ignorant tirades – is flawed by the fact that you do not apply this term to promiscuity in men. Men who, like yourself, are clearly up for sex but only with something they deem to be “worthy”. How very hypocritical of you.
You must leave a lot of women feeling very, VERY unfulfilled – especially the kinky and interesting kind – and are therefore pathetically writhing around in a lonely bed of frustration, hatred and false judgement. By which I mean, this blog.
The troll parade has started…
Bring out the Trolland Big Band!!!
I am not reading this whole mess. But, writing from Mexico, I assure you that a significant number of female tourists to Mexico do come for sex vacations.
I know tourism workers, and they say NA women are super sluts. They think no one notices what they are doing, but the locals know.
Rich, young men from Mexico City have large allowances. They often fly to one of the resorts to tap into the slutty NA women. They pretend to be business men, and they are very well dressed and extremely romantic, since Mexico does not pay women millions of dollars for being exposed to the learning process for PUA’s.
They do not give their correct names, nor their correct addresses. They go back to Mexico City, and entertain their buddies with a detailed description of every hip thrust and moan from these female tourists.
And, there is usually more than one conquest in a weekend.
But, those who wish to pretend female travelers do not have time, please carry on.
Slut or slattern is a pejorative term for a person who is deemed sexually promiscuous. The term is generally applied to women and used as an insult or offensive term of disparagement, meaning “dirty or slovenly.” It may also be used as an expression of pride in one’s status, or to express envy at the sexual successes of others.
Stereotypes often form the basis of prejudice and are usually employed to explain real or imaginary differences due to race, gender, religion, ethnicity, socio-economic class, disability, occupation, etc. A stereotype can be a conventional and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image based on the belief that there are attitudes, appearances, or behaviors shared by all members of a group. Stereotypes are forms of social consensus rather than individual judgments. Stereotypes are sometimes formed by a previous illusory correlation, a false association between two variables that are loosely correlated if correlated at all.
I wish you the best of success finding the woman of your future based on the narrow parameters you’ve set. Curious? Are you planning on ‘training’ her to become a slut once you’re married? Or will you cheat to get the ‘tap’ you so long for?
Definitions supplies by Wikipedia – as low brow as your article.
kinky aoefe – 8 fantastic lovers later
Seriously, you are a raging dickhole, and it’s a miracle you get any poon.
[...] insistence number of three sexual encounters. This allows her to maintain the fiction that she isn’t a slut, while not pushing you past the point of grudging acceptance into resentment at having your [...]
I’m a slut… But i wouldn’t bang you.
LOL
this has become the Kosovo of all threads, a place where haters gather to reinforce their hatred.
Men don’t like women who act like men and women don’t want men to act like women.
Men are scared of sluts and women are scared of players.
So what.
None of this is worth getting riled up over.
[...] on girls who have a slutty past (thanks to me, you’ll be able to tell) and are worried about being pigeonholed as a one night… hole: “Most guys are too [...]
“it’s not complicated, anony. the more frequently a chick travels for pleasure, the greater the number of foreign cock she will have accumulated on her adventures. and most men agree with me. chicks who do a lot of traveling during their single years have probably been fucking around with the “tour guides”.”
I guess you should add “She’s a Flight Attendant/Air Hostess” to your list.
Hmmm the thing I have a problem with here is that many of these also describe a woman who is a cocktease. You can’t really call that kind of woman a “slut” if she literally JUST likes to tease. Women also pretend to be something they are not sometimes and many of the things on your list are obviously (to women) things some women say because they think it makes them more attractive/experienced/worldly.
I think this one really misses the mark in general for those exact reasons. If a woman thinks for whatever reason that you’d prefer an “experienced” woman she may allude to several of the things above just to make you wonder if she IS a slut.
Also being experienced in bed doesn’t call “slut” because a woman could be in a 10 year relationship with a guy who she may not be happy with, but maybe had a fantastically adventurous sex life with. (so while she’s experienced now, she still may have only slept with that same guy for 10 years).
There are TONS of reasons women say these things or purvey these ideas and only a small percentage of the time does it actually give you a clear “slut” reading.
Im black, 18, a female and a virgin. Am I a slut just because I am black? I went to a practically all white Christian School and the girls there gave it up coming and going. Every white girl in my graduating class was on birth control and having sex with tons and tons of guys. I have to disagree with the whole black women would be having sex with foreigners too if they could afford to. I have been studying in Rome for the past 5 months and I havent so much as kissed an Italian, and they are notorious for loving black women so its not like I couldnt have if I wanted to. I think these steriotypes of black women as being slutty are just mechanisims to make white men feel better about white women. As far as the MSN “data” there is no way that data is correct. Especially because I know for a fact that quite a few women lie about how many partners they have had. My white friends all 9 of them tell whoever they are dating at the time that they are virgins. Of course they are lying but no one can confirm that sort of thing…. think about what you post before you post it
[...] Naturally sluttier women are enjoying greater rewards than long term commitment-oriented women as the sexual market since [...]
I Applaud Roissy. Although we men may see the world in black and white, Roissy is right to help identify sluts. We don’t want them for LTRs.
Thank you roissy.
That was literally one of the funniest and best articles I’ve ever read – LMFAO. Fucking awesome.
Well, I guess I didn’t get the memo that an expert on sluts (not stated in clear and specific language of course) had gotten started on a compilation of ways that one might (not always applicable to all situations of course) identify a slut should a person wish to undertake this task.
I believe that Roissy has a fundamental right to his perspectives and beliefs about what is desireable and/or required in a partner in order to find them suitable or to meet what he considers to make for good long-term committment relationship material, which he clearly feels will not be possible with someone he considers a slut – which he has concluded can increase the likelihood of cheating. Whether or not I concur with anything he has thus far determined, is irrelevant, simply because I may or may not agree with a person does not change how they think or prevent me from having my own opinions on the subject (which I may choose to share or decline to do as I see fit). When does any individual or even a scattered few individuals who believe some common ideas (also important to state that while some key portions are shared there are still an equal or exceeding number of differences of opinion) successfully change conflicting perceptions held by a group of others who are obviously committed to the fundamental issues (thus eliminating the importance of any differences, or dismissing them as minor and unimportant) by attacking them on their turf or where said group of people choose to collectively go to express these ideas?
Never.
Why? Because it’s their forum. And because they can be assured that they will not be left to the wolves by the group which they have identified having ‘membership’ in. The more effective approach is…well, I’d share it, but then it wouldn’t be possible to utilize the method and still be able to be reasonably confident of its success.
Persons who can argue with facts as supporting evidence behind them will always have someone to argue right back with facts (whether they are poor or excellent to counter with is a separate issue) of their own. Sometimes, people will argue for a side they are not actually on – because they have determined that it’s only fair for all positions on an issue or any series of issues have been represented.
If a woman is choosing to slut around which has no bearing on whether or not her specific path started from a determined origin, nor does her being a slut always mean that she is happy with having made that decision – well
of course there will be people of both genders who feel disgusted with her behavior. Whether the reason for their opinions are because of the fact that she seems unashamed of it or because it is such that it has exceeded the acceptable range for ‘romantic relationships’ (for lack of a politically correct expression for relationships that typically involve sex between two willing participants who haven’t gotten screwed up in the head or simply isolated so that such unacceptable interactions are all that exists) of the society – those details don’t really make much of a difference.
There are people who will screw sluts, people who state the belief that sluts can be of either gender and/or shouldn’t be judged, and those who have no opinion. The thing everyone has in common is that they don’t have to subject themselves to the company of others they feel are wrong (different) in opinion – if they choose. If someone is openly expressing how they feel about what-have-you, and you don’t like it or find it offensive (and this applies to everyone on every side and on all conceivable matters) you don’t have to read it, hear it, or be in a room with them. Unless you’re in jail or somewhere else that has taken such a choice from the individual and put it in the charge of another.
And a significant number of outrageous expressions that people share (though I wouldn’t make the claim of affirming that I have absolute knowledge that this applies to this specific circumstance) are for entertainment value in what is a largely ‘unshockable’ culture of people.
That was a facinating way of agreeing.
Thanks,
Mmmm…didn’t actually specify whether or not I agreed with anything said about sluts, just that freedom of expression is an important part of everyone’s guaranteed rights.
I also like to write enough to weed out some readers.
(CONTINUED) “black” women could perhaps be the reason that so many women of color do not know how to love themselves and look for love from the wrong people. I like how you have disguised your underlying opinion in a creative blog, inciting the response that probably offers you the relief that you haven’t gotten causing you to categorize woman mainly African-americans in the manner that you have. I ask that the next woman you have the luck to come across start to ask the good questions like how many men have you had anal sex,one night stands, bj’s, hand jobs, toys etc. apart from getting a few slaps in the face you might start to rethink your categories after you start to add up your score card. Some woman don’t refer to this behavior as sex so be specific. If you want to really make it fair use the techniques taught to most detectives and psychologist to tell if a person is lying or perhaps the change in color in most women’s face. Yes some women are really good at lying so even in the end you might not ever get the truth. There are men who love to lie on their conquests too so I hope you calibrated that in your tally. Good luck. God Bless. In the end only the person there will ever know. Thank you mom for making sure I love me and giving me a foundation with God so that I know people have their opinions and that is just what it is an opinion. Without you nothing is possible.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Raising three young men I have taught them that I am a valuable woman and to take from the world all the women that have taught them to be better men. Women being the first teachers to young men from the womb, I want them to appreciate the world God created. Right or wrong in the world we are the ones that have degraded the quality of this world we in whole, caucasian, african-american, asian, hispanic or otherwise. As unfortunate as it is, your opinion is just that yours. I don’t know why women hurt you or if they felt it was deserved before or after your opinion came to light. It seems that African-american women have done you the worst to label them so harshly with such a general statement of fiction. In dealing with women of all ethnicities, it is one of the biggest jokes that part of how they keep their past their past is the different ways in which they engage in sex. Funny because some do not even consider any other way but conventional intercourse to be sex. Your opinion and others like you have corrupted the way in which people perceive all women. It took a few hundred years to change the way people think about African-americans as a whole and guess what we have one in the white house. I can’t begin to imagine how many people share your opinion. Spread the poison on enough sandwhiches you have your own cemetary. This harsh way of thinking about (politically incorrect term)
Please excuse any misspellings or grammatically inccorrect use of wordsit has no bearing on my level of intelligence. I heard somewhere that the color of your skin is an indicator of the amount of men that you have slept with, I think scientific data was even quoted. Just kidding read it here. In other words the same way misspellings and grammatically incorret use of words has no bearing on intelligence……figure it out.
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Most of the comments are true however I don’t know about the “she’s black” thing. He went left with that one.
Girls gone wild…………………enough said!!!!!!!!!
Everybody knows white women are the sluttiest. That’s my experience and also what people in general think.
I don’t think you have ever slept with a black woman. Fess up. The slutty black girls in the music videos are sleeping with black men. If they are so slutty, why would they leave their “equally slutty” as you say, partners and sleep with YOU? If they choose to think in stereotypes like you do, then they would be thinking “Why would I want to date some small dicked white boy?”. Stereotypes don’t feel so good huh? You can’t get over your dick complex by degrating black people’s sexuality, fucking ugly disease ridden whores and blogging about it, and claiming you can get black girls that you HAVE NOT.
Miguel is right!
Everyone knows they can get a white girl and they are the sluttiest. It’s common knowledege among us non-colorless people. Duh! plus they pay bills too. Slutty and dumb, no wonder they gave rise to you.
So black women are sluts now? ok the poor ones or the ones in your socioeconomic strata? Oh yeah I forgot, black people are a monolith, there aren’t any poor or middle class black people just black people. Unlike whites who have their WASPs, white trash etc,.
I thought white girls were the easy ones. Sex and the city all that bull. Get over yourself please. Your familiar with SLUTS because these are the only women that will sleep with you. If a woman would sleep with anyone, why not you. Luck of the draw. You most likely look like hell.
s.q.:
Do you really want to play on this table?
By your initial comment, you identify yourself among the fattest of all white women, the fattest 30% of “hispanic” women, and possibly even the fattest 50% of black women**. A xenophobic mind, free of prejudice, can deduce this instantly.
** Also, attractive outlying race members may harbor such dilussion.
To be fair, I flipped back to much of “fatso night” on The Learning Channel over the course of this weekend, featuring such programs as ‘the 650 lb. Virgin’ and ‘Half Ton Mom’. To my surprise, the mom was mexican, with a mexican father, although her professional, full-time “caregiver” was a very old black man. does the left end of his sexual bell-curve stretch THAT far left…. or his the racism of mancession still too much for him to cast a flag?!?!
“A xenophobic mind, free of prejudice”
pardon my drunkenness
Nothing brings out narcissism, insecurely feeling offended, and baffling leaps of (il)logic like statements that don’t bode well for various demographics.
Person A: here are the latest AMA and CDC studies about HIV studies about AIDS (which, to drastically simplify, show that gay men, bisexuals, blacks, and IV drug users are more likely to be infected.)
Person B (who is gay or black): oh, so you’re saying I have HIV?? Anyone can get AIDS!
Person A: *gets black eye from involuntarily painful headdesk*
Well on the “she is black” claim, he stated that that was his experience. Based on what I saw at two Colleges I attended, by far it was not the black women who were slutty. I have no reason to believe the situation as changed.
What about if she says something like this on the first date:
“Men are only after one thing!”
When I told the girl no they are not she said “Yes they are from my experience” and sounded really bitter.
Is she just a chick whose been pumped and dumped by men a few times and is genuinely upset about it or a slut who likes sleeping around and then regrets it later?
To all the women who ask “what is a slut?” I’ve taken the liberty of defining it for you. It’s really just simple math http://betagoesalpha.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/the-beta-male-syndicate-slut-dictionary/
Oh, and by the way, more men think like this than you feminazi’s think. We’re just quiet about it long enough to get you screaming our names. Even when we kick your ass to the curb, we may not tell you the real reason. Most likely, he thinks you’re a tramp but made up some other excuse to avoid the ridicule that will follow.
Until you women have ever spied on a table full of guys bullshitting around a few beers, you have no idea how important this shit is to us – not when dating – but when it comes time to get married.
I refuse to put a ring on a finger that’s been wrapped around a dozen cocks. Call me whatever you want, I’ve heard it all. Still, my first born son will not enter this world through a womb that’s seen more traffic than the Denver airport. I make no apologies for that.
Until I find that “lady”, I’ll just keep enjoying pounding the fine ass of girls who are “learning, growing, and expressing their sexual power”.
You do realize that when you’re not in the room, even the “good, nice, mature, socially evolved guys” as you put it, get a little smirk on their face when they tell their buddies how quickly you slept with them and all the kinky shit you’re into, right?
Of course not. You live in a fantasy land.
And yes, I’m a he-slut. No respectable woman should ever marry me. At least I have the balls to admit it instead of trying to simultaneously grasp on to virtue and whorish behavior.
LOL this is very very true of my drop dead gorgeous mistress – except for the buying gifts stuff..she is a fucking tightwad..and the dancing stuff..she loves nightclubs and music but looks uncomfortable on the dancefloor. In fact, everything from the carvenous pussy, emotional flightiness, love of porn, commando..everything!! She is an A grade slut – as well as her three best friends-but hey I am a slut myself and I guess we will all roast in hell!!
I agree, Roissy. Slut identification is tres simple. Here are some signs:
*He broaches the subject of sex first.
The more explicitly he talks about his sexual history, the more likely it is that he’s trying to bang you. TOTAL whore behavior.
*He suggests kinky sex acts.
If he wants to do anything that Cosmo hasn’t written about, he’s a freak.
*He frequently goes commando.
Yeah, he may SAY it’s comfortable, but that’s just code for ‘I want some pussy ASAP.’
* He takes off his shirt in public.
If you’re at the beach, fine, but if he peels off his top frequently to cool down, watch out. He’s advertising and there will be buyers for that man-meat.
* He REALLY knows what he’s doing in bed.
Imagine how many other vaginas he must have touched! Ew!
* He likes to whack off to porn.
He wants to have sex all the time!
* He asks how many men you’ve slept with.
He doesn’t actually want to know about you; he just wants to make sure your number is lower than his. It won’t be; we’ve already established he’s a whore.
* He seems “hard”.
If he’s the strong, silent type, it means he’s been used like the town bicycle.
* He’s artsy.
Women love artsy guys. He must have had a lot of them.
* He tells you about all the places he’s traveled.
What honorable man would go out of the country alone? Not to broaden his mind, that’s for sure. Men are doomed from birth to be idiots. No, he was looking for international poon.
* He never has a break between women for more than a week.
He’s not suave, he’s immature.
* He’s tapping you for the first time and he doesn’t mention anything about condoms.
He obviously doesn’t care to go up in any girl without protection. He probably has diseases. Stay away!
* He buys you a lot of gifts.
He’s just trying to get in your pants.
* He’s black.
Black men have an average of 15 partners over the course of their lifetime. Sorry, that makes them sluts on the Roissy scale.
* He has a lot of slutty friends.
His best friend has a new girl every week? Your man cannot be trusted.
* You just feel in your heart that he may be a slut.
No evidence needed. After all, he has a penis.
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Roissy, you’re a racist, misogynist asshole and a complete waste of a human being. Drop your double standards and start looking at people as individual persons.
” * She seems “hard”.
If she’s got that tough, tankgrrl aura about her, like she’s been through dating hell and back, and her cynicism is worse than yours, you know she’s been used like a cheap whore.”
This is a completely bullshit point. You’re acknowledging that this hypothetical girl has already been “used like a cheap whore”, but suggest that that was of her own doing. Have any of you ever encountered a woman who has had experiences with sexual assault? Women who have been sexually assaulted during their lifetime sometimes react to that trauma by sleeping around (in attempts to find validation after a shameful and horrifically violent act on what society weighs as her most important asset: her vagina) and therefore being a “slut”. I was guilty of that as a teenager, having been raped by two boyfriends, and according to your BULLSHIT list I would qualify as a slut.
Based on these predatory guidelines, I would not be surprised if there were indeed rapists in the “pick-up artist” community. In true rape-apologist fashion though, its probably justified by your arrogance and “game”; women just can’t say no to a skilled “pick-up artist”.
WE LOVE SLUTS LOLLLLL
Jessi
Im black, 18, a female and a virgin. …I think these steriotypes of black women as being slutty are just mechanisims to make white men feel better about white women.
The stereotype that White women are sluttier than black females is a stereotype fabricated in order to make black females feel better about themselves in a sexual marketplace were they are less valued, less admired and less sexually attractive than White women in the eyes of men of ALL RACES.
A couple of years ago i had a long term relationship with a guy who was emotionally withholding and had performance problems in the bedroom. We were good partners but there was lacking communication, and this was very clear in the bedroom. I had waited a long time before having sex with him and when I finally did it turned out he was repressed, addicted to porn, and a host of other issues, not to mention the fact that he really weirded me out in the bedroom.
It was at this point that I realized that not having sex in the beginning of the relationship won’t grant anything in the way of making a better relationship. So the next time I found someone i liked as a partner, I slept with him much sooner, because I did not want to deal with any “surprise” situations in the sack, like I had previously. This method didn’t work either. The guy took me for granted even though I deserved better, and though it was the only time I had slept with someone so soon. I know for a fact that he didn’t value what he had because I gave him too much, too soon.
So, after two long, exhausting relationships with guys I loved who failed me (as I failed them), I’ve concluded it’s not good to be a whore, but it’s not good to be a prude either. So staying away from being a slut is not the ultimate solution, EITHER. I have been a prude for most of my life and it doesn’t work or bring about any happiness.
WItholding sex often attracts perverts, people that are attracted only to innocence, or people that have sexual preferences they can take care of without your involvement (it’s a recipe for a lifetime of weird sex you never wanted to involve yourself in, in the first place).
Being a whore is also not a good solution. You attract, at the very best, someone that won’t disrespect you for sex because they’re just as slutty themselves, or because they admire you sexually. At the very worst you attract someone that uses you for sexual attention and stops thinking of you as a potential wife or girlfriend.
The only thing I’ve found that works: being sexually explicit, having a physical relationship, without actual sex. It’s childish and I regret having to dry hump at my age, but it’s the only thing that works. Guys may complain about blue balls but the only guys that have treated me with respect are the ones that have endured blue balls for a significant period of time. Also, being sexual without having actual sex allows you to verify that you have good chemistry in the sack, it allows you to verify that everything is functioning properly, and it also allows you to verify that they have respect for your decisions. In addition to this, it allows you to date and have fun without going crazy with sexual frustration.
The irony of all of this is that men think that by following this advice they’re filtering out sluts – the truth is that they’re only filtering out women (like me) that don’t know how to play the game. If you go by these rules, you will find a woman who knows exactly how long to wait before having sex with you, and when and where to do it. She will maybe have alternative flings in the meantime to bide her time, since she knows you won’t respect her if she shows sexual desperation (towards you, because she’ll be showing it elsewhere). You will get a perfect game player, she will not have sex with you until you’ve handed her love and devotion, and in return you’ll provide for her illegitimate children. Congratulations!
As for that bunk about black women, I’m not sure where you got your stats, but just as there are slutty and non slutty white women there are also slutty and non slutty black women. Sexual promiscuity does sometimes vary between cultures (if you consider black and white to be different cultures) – in some countries it is considered to be sinful to have sex before marriage for example. America is not one of those countries.
So, I do not believe black women are any more or less slutty than white ones, we all share for the most part, a culture of premarital sex – whether you like it or not. And if you’d like to deny that I’d like to ask you what the hell you were doing last Friday (Im guessing she was probably white).
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The “crazy coked out eyes” was an immediate identifier for my last girlfriend.
I always wondered about that, but yeah. It fucking figures.
WOW, I can’t believe people actrually follow this dill. More anti-Black women propaganda rears it’s ugly head. In fact this post is more proof that the Roissy character is a closet gayster. LOL
In fact Tiger Woods just blew the lid off of who are the sluttier women. White Women. No offense. But hey slut is a new term for liberated these days.
WOW, I can’t believe people actrually follow this dill. More anti-Black women propaganda rears it’s ugly head. Black women are the most conserviative, spiritual and down to earth women I know. Actually this post is more proof that this Roissy character is a closet gayster. LOL
In fact Tiger Woods just blew the lid off of who are the sluttier women. White Women. No offense. But hey slut is a new term for liberated these days.
WOW, I can’t believe people actrually follow this dill. More anti-Black women propaganda rears it’s ugly head. Black women are the most conserviative, spiritual and down to earth women I know. Actually this post is more proof that this Roissy character is a closet gayster. LOL
In fact Tiger Woods just blew the lid off of who are the sluttier women. White Women. No offense. But hey slut is a new term for liberated these days.
marnie2010
In fact Tiger Woods just blew the lid off of who are the sluttier women. White Women. No offense. But hey slut is a new term for liberated these days.
Black females would be slutting it up with Tiger Woods big time………if he wanted them, which he DOESN’T.
That is true of most men, they just don’t want black females if they can get access to other race women.
The black female is often simply the last resort of desperate men.
Hard to be a slut when nobody wants you.
Willard Libby
Black females would be slutting it up with Tiger Woods big time………if he wanted them, which he DOESN’T.
That is true of most men, they just don’t want black females if they can get access to other race women.
The black female is often simply the last resort of desperate men.
Hard to be a slut when nobody wants you.
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Tiger Woods has a fetish for loose White women. Most Black women don’t think he’s cute anyway.
Most men DO NOT find Black women unattractive! In fact if racial fears were not a factor, as it is becoming less so, more men would be with Black women. The rise in interracial dating /marriage between BW/non-Black men proves this. Not to mention that Black women are the least likely to interracially date more than any other race due to a preferance for Black men and a fear of ignorant racist White men. Trust me the fact that there is less IR dating with Black women is solely based on the decisions of Black women!
Black women are a top choice for smart men with high IQ’s. Only an ignorant, male with a low IQ would believe Black women are the least wanted and undesired.
Trust me we are wanted, we just don’t want you!
if all black girls were as hot as tyra banks and christina milan, I would be down. Most aren’t. So ew!
Jason you sound like a 12 year old girl!
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