Reader and prolific commenter Obsidian was interested in my take on this article by a white woman who discusses her preference for black men.
Black skin is thick and lush, sensuous to the touch, like satin and velvet made flesh. There’s only one patch of skin on a white man’s body that remotely compares to nearly every inch of a black man’s skin.
I have no idea what black man skin feels like, since VK won’t let me run my hands up and down his chiseled biceps and give a squeeze for good measure, but I remember the skin of the last black woman I slept with — it was wrinkle-free and taut but also somewhat rough in spots, like sandpaper. The softest female skin I have ever touched was on an Asian woman.
And I had the socially acceptable explanation for my craving. I used that paucity-of-available-white-partners rationale to explain my relationships with black men for several years. A white woman past forty is often passed over by her white-male contemporaries. She goes younger or ethnic or foreign-born or down the socioeconomic scale or darker or she spends lonely nights at home with her cats. Black men are happy to get the babe they couldn’t have when she was twentysomething and fertile. The laws of the marketplace do prevail. It’s not me, it’s them being the white guys who weren’t after me anymore, or so I claimed.
That’s a lie. The truth is, I attract about the same percentage of available white men my age (and far younger!) now as I did when I was thirty and that’s not including the unavailable white men who want to play around anyway.
Enough white men want me that I was hardly facing enforced celibacy, but I don’t want them.
Let’s take a look at the author’s photo, shall we?
Here’s a video of her, for more accurate judging. Hint: She’s not the hottie standing on the right.
The only lie here is the lie she is telling herself. There is no way this gross disgusting old hag who hit the wall so hard she is on the other side of it is attracting any sort of white man except the bottom of the barrel dregs who will dump a fuck in her distended flabby hole because they can’t afford an internet connection to whack off to porn outside of the public library. Her looks are relevant to her claim that she is freely choosing black men in favor of white men — she is holding up her desirability to white men as proof of her options in the sexual market and her freedom to choose which men to fuck. A simple, revealing photo utterly discredits the core underpinning of her argument by anecdote.
The truth here is, unfortunately for her, quite unflattering. As her repulsive ugliness has worsened with age and fat, her options have been severely curtailed. If she is finding solace in flings with black men, it is because
- the white men she finds attractive no longer feel the same about her, and
- the black men she finds attractive are more willing to overlook her market value-destroying flaws and fuck her. At least for one night. Heh.
Moving along to the rest of the article…
I want black men. They want me. We look at one another and exchange a visible frisson of sexual energy in the lingering glances.
A small percentage of people do have an overcharged attraction for different races. But there’s not much we can generalize from this one old hag’s fetishistic sexual drive because she is not choosing in a free market with all options open to her. There are many delusional pretty lies humans tell themselves when cold hard reality is staring them in the bloated face. She may want black men given the structural incentives in place, but do they want her? Or, as I suspect is more likely, do black men see her sloppily flirting with them and think to themselves “Oh yeah, that white broad is gonna be an easy lay.”
Even in a time when nearly 40 percent of single Americans have dated outside their race, that deliberate seeking of the specific other makes some people, especially black women, damned mad.
Black women are mad because they’re looking at black men fucking fat old heifers like you and wondering what the hell they’re thinking.
We are what they denigrate and castigate: white women and black men who choose one another because of our racial differences. They resent our taking their men.
Define “taking”. I doubt in her case it means any commitment longer than a few nights together, away from the public eye. A man’s got a rep on the street to keep.
Black men are two and a half times more likely to marry a white woman than a black woman is to marry a white man.
Here are my thoughts on interracial dating. Despite all the sound and fury, I don’t see too much of it. Most people date *long term* within their race. There are likely evolutionarily mediated reasons for this. Women are more racist than men in the realm of dating. They are less open to having relationships with men of different races, while men are bigger whores who will happily fuck a cute chick from any race. (Commitment is another matter.)
So in the bigger picture, I don’t see many white woman-black man couples strolling around the city holding hands. In comparison, I see about three times as many white man-asian woman couples. These are my observations in DC and in major cities on the East coast; the numbers on the ground might be different in other parts of the country. Of the BM-WF couples I do see, I notice two different types: The Maury Povich who’s-the-daddy fat white trash girl with the thug, and the hot blonde, usually European girl with the handsome, well-dressed, and educated-looking yuppie black man. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground between those two types.
From casual conversation, my white guy friends don’t find the general population of black girls attractive. Their preferences are decidedly skewed toward white chicks. I only know one white guy who has yellow fever. He proudly proclaims it, too. From my conversations with black women, they are even more racially provincial. I get the impression that black women don’t find men outside their race at all physically attractive. I’m an outlier, in that I’m the recipient of a lot of flirty attention from black women. I think if I were an even blacker dude than I already am, I would clean up with black women. King Kong ain’t got nothing on me.
So this is why black women are screwed, it would seem. Available black guys are hooking up with women of all races, white and Asian guys don’t much like black girls, and black women only want to be with black guys. I can’t think of a worse recipe for resentment and bitterness. Since men do some choosing in the sexual market (though men are not as choosy as women on average, neither are they mannequins standing around waiting for women to pick them out of the crowd), the choice by white and Asian men to overlook black women is going to have repercussions.
Why don’t black chicks dig white guys and vice versa? In a word: testosterone. Blacks have more of it, and more androgen receptors, than other races. The same testosterone that imbues black men with attractive masculine features and musculature makes black women look less feminine. On average. This isn’t an assertion from anecdote, because in my personal life I know quite a few really cute black chicks. I’m judging based on general observations and what I’ve heard from men of all races when the subject came up. Since women are attracted to men with lots of testosterone (for fucking, at least), it stands to reason that black women would want men who have more of it relative to their own. Here, few white and even fewer Asian men qualify as acceptable partners for black women.
I have demonstrated that the fundamentals of female beauty are universal. Men all over the world love 0.7 waist-to-hip ratios, clear skin, youth, feminine faces, big eyes, luscious lips, breasts and ass. Adjusting for racial idiosyncracies, a beautiful black woman’s face has more fundamental similarity to a beautiful white woman’s face than to an ugly black woman’s face. However, there is an important caveat. I now believe that there is a slight preference among men of the major racial groups for women of their own race. In general, black men, all else equal, would rather date long term a hot black chick than a hot chick of another race. To illustrate, black guys prefer the bigger rumps that are a hallmark of black women. The same intra-race mechanism apples to white, Hispanic (who?), and Asian men. They all have marginally peculiar preferences for the specific beauty of women within their own race. I would not be surprised to learn that Asian men like flatter asses.
I know I am this way. My roving eyes are overwhelmingly pulled in by hot white chicks. I see hot Asian and black chicks, but it’s clear to me where my strongest preferences lie. Is this because white chicks are, again on average, better looking than chicks of other races? Or is it because of my inborn endogamous sexual preference for girls of my own race? I don’t know. I suspect the latter. But I do have some personal observations that buttress my tilt toward women of my own race. For instance, whenever there is a news story from the Congo, or Rwanda, and throngs of people are swarming around the cameras, I don’t see a single woman in the crowd I’d want to bang. But when there is a camera pointed at Red Square or Stockholm, and girls are streaming past, I have trouble finding a fertile age woman in the crowd I *wouldn’t* want to bang. In places like Tokyo, the urge to merge with the locals on camera is less cut and dried. There are a few Japanese girls who make the Roissy grade.
The class of the women has an effect as well. There was this time I was driving through the hardcore DC ghetto (nothing like an adventure), and a large public housing apartment complex had caught fire. The traffic had stopped, so I was idling by the smoking building while hundreds of residents who had been evacuated were milling about the sidewalk, waiting for the firemen to finish their job. My most vivid memory from that incident, and one that sticks with me to this day, was just how brutally ugly those women were. I mean, “make a documentary of it” ugly.
All right, back to the article…
But in truth, black sisters, we’re after the sex, not the ring, and these guys aren’t the marrying kind anyway.
Squeeze those sour grapes, old bag. Of course she’s written off the ring. No man who isn’t a complete loser would commit to her decrepit carcass.
Black men have more energy, style and edge than white men. They know how to flirt, a nearly lost art among the rest of us. A black man is so damned sexy because he knows how to make a woman feel sexy.
This is true if we restrict our sample size to has-been fat white women who faint with joy at the slightest attention from any man. While I believe that black guys on the whole do have better natural game than white guys, their often aggressive style of flirting and their whiff of dangerous edginess can be a turnoff for younger white women who are repelled by displays of brute machismo. My experience suggests that SWPL white girls and especially Asian girls in their 20s are more receptive to subtler mating cues. This is why Mystery has rarely run game on black chicks.
They make me feel like a woman, both respected and desired.
Translation: No white man desires her enough to make her feel like the woman she was 20 years ago and in an alternate universe.
This brings up another interesting angle. Are black men less picky than white men? If so, that would explain the author’s sudden conversion. My view: Black guys are indeed less picky when considering short term flings and one night stands. They seem to be more forgiving of wear and tear on white women, such as the accumulation of fat and waddles. Like other men, black guys are probably pickier when choosing which women get to be their number one girls. Who are the pickiest men? The alphas, of course.
On we go dissecting this disaster…
My current lover,…
Translation: My current one night stand.
On another night in that same bar, a different black man, an artist, knelt and kissed my knees.
Beta.
Correction: Kissing this old sow’s gnarly knees? Omega.
They look better than white men, they touch and kiss and make love better than white men.
Silly cow. When a man finds you physically less than ideal, he isn’t inspired to please you in bed.
Statistically, their penises are only a fraction of an inch bigger on average, but they seem bigger and harder.
I notice my hardness varies by the girl’s looks. The hotter she is, the firmer I get. With this old broad, I’d have to enlist David Alexander’s pornified pud to do the job.
By the way, I remember reading a study from some years ago that purported to show that package size does indeed vary by race, with blacks the largest and Asians the smallest. Commenters are free to find any links proving or disproving the stereotype.
White men over 40 have lost their waistlines and their zest for life if they ever had it.
White women lose it even faster. Has this shoggoth looked in a mirror lately? On the larger point, I agree that sedentary black men keep their dainty figures longer than sedentary white men. Black women, otoh…
Society overvalues the white man, leaving him angry and bitter when he realizes, around age 40, that he’s not all that.
If this isn’t a picture perfect example of projection, I don’t know what is.
With the exception of some Italians, white men don’t turn me on anymore.
You won’t be missed, bowlingballhead.
While women my age scowl and frown at these aging, Upper West Side Boomers pushing strollers as the hand of the thin, blonde wife 20 years their junior rests lightly on their arm, I feel a kinship with the old goats. We are the same, me and that bald white guy, drawn to the exotic other, not caring that the object of our desire has no childhood memory of a Kennedy assassination or a typical WASP Sunday dinner of over-roasted beef, lumpy mashed potatoes and soggy vegetables.
This woman is hurting inside, deeply. She has secretly wanted that Ozzie and Harriet white picket fence life since forever, but now it is too late, if there ever was a chance. But the objects of her affection ignored her true wishes. There, there, lumpy mashed grandma taking random dick in bars and waking up to an empty bed and fridge. I’m sure all those older white guys dating younger women are JUST LIKE YOU. Except not.
Halfway through the first glass of wine in my last date with a white man, I realized that little clouds of sadness and self-pity were regularly fluffing off his psyche like the dust clouds kicked up by that dirt-smudged “Peanuts” character as he walks through Charlie Brown’s life. This guy was at least mildly depressed…
No wonder he was depressed. He was on a date with a beluga whale.
What did he think would entice me more: That he assumed sex was probable because I’m a sex journalist or that he would need chemical help if sex did occur?
This broad is the gift that keeps on giving. Sex journalist? Why is it always the ugliest women in this “occupation”? It’s like taking advice on losing weight from the world’s fattest man.
And, yes, the poor guy would need chemical help to get it up with you. I’m thinking an IV of distilled super viagra directly into the penis vein, and a brick wall with a hole drilled in it between you two.
I cannot even imagine a black man bungling an attempted seduction in such a sad way.
I cannot even imagine the omegas who are happily chowing down on her cheesy old lady labia.
I recently came out of my racial-preference closet and told my friends, “I love black men. I’m not attracted to white men over 40, and I’m not dating them anymore. Really, it’s not them, it’s me.
Translation: “I recently gave up trying to attract white men who aren’t trolls and told my friends “I love black men because some of them are so horny they look past my disgusting body to masturbate into my cavernous hole. I’m telling myself I’m not attracted to white men over 40 because it makes their rejection easier to swallow, like my black lovers’ loads. Really, it’s not them, it’s my ugly roast beef face.”"
My work here is done.
The male equivalent would be the bald middle-aged dweeb who’s too fat to see his schwantzstucker without a mirror, who desperately searches for a mail-order bride even though he knows, deep down, that most of them are con artists.
Peter
> shoggoth
A Rush reference the other day, and now H P Lovecraft?
How long until D&D references start popping up here?
The class of the women has an effect as well. There was this time I was driving through the hardcore DC ghetto (nothing like an adventure), and a large public housing apartment complex had caught fire. The traffic had stopped, so I was idling by the smoking building while hundreds of residents who had been evacuated were milling about the sidewalk, waiting for the firemen to finish their job. My most vivid memory from that incident, and one that sticks with me to this day, was just how brutally ugly those women were. I mean, “make a documentary of it” ugly.
Class surely is more important than race. If you had driven past a trailer camp in rural Kentucky after a tornado* had displaced its occupants, you almost certainly would have seen any number of brutally ugly white women. Heck, most any Wal-Mart will yield plenty of them.
Of course, given that blacks tend to be poorer than whites, the percentage of black women who are ugly is probably higher than the percentage among white women. Note also that “ugliness” in the poor-people context often means “fat.”
* = what is it with tornados and trailer camps?
Peter
I agree 100% with this post.
roissy ftw big time
This post guarantees hundreds of clueless and stupid back and forth comments between the usual suspects.
Women :
Black women tend to have rough palms.
East Asian woman have flat asses.
Indian women have the best skin, but their asses are soft, rather than firm. They also lag all other women in knowledge of hairstyle/dress fashion (they will catch up in a decade or so).
White women have firm asses, but their skin wrinkles more than a decade sooner than the skin of any Black, Indian, or Chinese woman. The blonder the woman, the sooner she wrinkles.
White women have to most facial and body hair, Asian and Black women have the least.
East Asians and Indians have the best head hair.
Many East Asian women have bad teeth, unless they grew up in the US.
A hot black woman’s ass is beyond description. However, in real life, I have hardly ever seen a black woman as hot as Halle Berry or Beyonce outside of a strip club. I have made out with white 10s more than I have even SEEN black 10s, in by life. About 80% of black women are overweight.
VERY underrated are Iranian women, who seem to combine almost all of the best feminine features. IF you can find one who is not already married by age 24.
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Men :
Due to cultural conditioning, natural Game traits are most common in Black or Latino men.
Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession. This myth continues, because for their fathers, this WAS true. Their fathers had arranged marriages, where a girl’s parents are a primary decision force, nd thus evaluate a groom based on career potential, rather than ability to pass shit tests, etc. Thus, you see MANY nerdy Chinese and Indian guys with hot wives, which they could never have gotten within an American Urban dating structure.
The natural game advantages of Black and Latino men over Asian men will not change any time soon, due to the lack of mentors for young Asian boys, vs. the abundance of mentors for young Black/Latino boys.
White men with poor game still score with Asian girls easily, due to “GI syndrome’ and an Asian cultural conditioning that white features are better, whether it be eye shape (for Chinese/Korean/Japanese people) or skin color (for Indian people) or both (for Filipinos). This will drop over the next decade as more Asian men catch up in Game, and in media prestige/wealth, which in turn enables them to Game white women who until now were mostly out of reach.
I see far more Asian Men with White Women than I saw even 5 years ago.
> Women are more racist than men in the realm of dating. They are less open to having relationships with men of different races, while men are bigger whores who will happily fuck a cute chick from any race. (Commitment is another matter.)
Completely agree. I have two Indian friends who are essentially identical in every way. Both are doctors, they are the same age, earn the same money (a lot of it, in both cases), have similar personalities. But the one who is more European-looking (he passes for Italian) had to bring a quarter of the game to the table that the other did when they were experimenting outside the race (mostly White and East Asian).
Most starkly, the differing results that they got with online dating services was almost an order of magnitude in scale in terms of response rate.
Roissy, you need to get out more.
Experiment: go to Crystal City mall on a Saturday, or lunch hour, during the work day. Walk around.
You will see BM/WF and WM/BF couples, of average attractiveness for both partners. They will be a significant number of the couples you see. The Pentagon is one stop in the Metro over, so that’s where they are coming form. Many are in uniform.
What will be part of the function, is that mating opportunities for the military are limited — civilians don’t know or understand and don’t put up with the frustrations of military life — lots of moving around, low pay, mixed with excitement and adventure and working with really cool stuff. So they look within the military itself, to the increasing numbers of women in support functions (and women of course tend to join the military that offer the excitement/adventure they crave).
It’s a way for working-class Sarah Palins and Todd Palins to earn money, do exciting things (Aircraft Carriers, tanks, artillery, hovercraft etc) that have many downsides but only a few people can ever do. Along the way most NCOs earn college degrees (the military will pay for it) and can earn status/power, i.e. a Sergeant can often exercise and display more authority over greater numbers of people than a middle manager in a cube farm.
For some, it can beat “Office Space.” And those attracted to that life find civilian color lines irrelevant.
It’s worth noting that Black MEN find Black women dating outside the race a very bad thing, and some have resorted to extreme lynching type violence. The case of the Camp Pendleton Marines (all Black) who tortured and did other terrible things the their Sergeant (a White, Polish emigre) and his Black Wife (studying to be a Doctor) out of racial animosity is a case in point. It’s a reverse Emmet Till.
Even if Black Women wanted to, they could not as a practical matter date outside the race because Black men will exercise the violence veto.
It is worth noting that no such violence veto exists among White men (unlike say 50 years ago) … but most White men will not marry or commit to a White woman who has had relationships/sex with Black men.
There are a variety of reasons for this I think: partly an STD risk assessment (Black men have much higher rates), view that the woman is seeking high testosterone over other things and unlikely to be faithful, and of course racial jealousy/animosity.
ha yeah roissy are you a LARP?
but anyway, i enjoyed this, but just thought you were exaggerating — then i watched the video of the author and i am fucking appalled that she has the audacity to write something that long and in depth on a subject like that, acting like shes some sought-after carrie bradshaw type.
from what ive seen, black men, to generalize, are way more into banging a white chick who is gross. they say they are into the big asses, but white women dont get big asses in that same, good way – when their asses are big they are usually just gross. i think theres probably an element of thrill/amusement to banging the white broads that might otherwise turn their nose up at them in day to day life. and theres no way this woman has “lovers” — they are definitely thrill/joke fucks, or dudes who are too pathetic to get ANYthing else. which, particularly as guys get older and havent been successful with women, i think is more common that it would seem.
I would not be surprised to learn that Asian men like flatter asses.
While Agnostic, befitting his Scots-Irish side, has a taste for booty, being part Japanese might not his taste for teenagers be somewhat genetic in origin. IIRC, the Japanese have a fetish for schoolgirl/teen porn and a liking for small, cute things in general.
As for poor, white me, I find it bizarre why anyone wouldn’t overwhelmingly prefer women in their early to mid twenties.
White women have the most facial and body hair
Yum.
Peter
Women of relatively unmixed West African descent do seem to me noticably less attractive on average compared to white or Asian women. However, children of mixed marriages or black women with a significant amount of white blood are quite frequently _very_ attractive. Examples include:
Pam Grier
Jennifer Beals
Beyonce Knowles
Halle Berry
Tyra Banks
Selita Ebanks
Emanuela De Paula
Alicia Keys
Sade
Thandie Newton
Since black men are renowned for their attractiveness, I don’t think the major problem is African features per se. Rather, African women seem a bit too masculine, for my taste anyway. Further to boost my theory, white women will often describe black women as “striking,” “handsome” or “magnificent, ” which basically means that if many black women were men they would be very handsome men. From my own experience, there are indeed a lot of black women who have regular, handsome features, yet still often lack any visceral sex appeal. On the other hand, with a bit more femininity than their blacker sisters, the very Africanness of mixed women’s features seems to come across as pleasingly exotic rather than offputting.
There is a good list with some lesser, but still quite attractive mixed black/white women here:
http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html
The only relatively unmixed West African black woman of great attractiveness I can think of is Naomi Campbell, though she has a bit of Chinese blood.
Things are somewhat different for East African women, who are also frequently quite attractive, though still not quite as attractive on average as white or Asian women.
> The natural game advantages of Black and Latino men over Asian men will not change any time soon, due to the lack of mentors for young Asian boys, vs. the abundance of mentors for young Black/Latino boys.
I disagree. When I used to go to Pickup conferences, something like 20%+ of the dudes there were East or South Asian. This may be skewed because these things aren’t cheap, and software programmers/doctors/etc tend to have a fair bit of extra cash… but with the rise of the internet, bit torrent, etc, the lag time is going to be much less than you might expect. Contrariwise, you’d be lucky if 1 in 200 guys there were black.
One of the Indian dudes at one of the conferences joked with me that Indian culture values learning… so he’s just taking a lesson, the same he might if he were learning violin. I can imagine the exact same mindset being replicated by Indian (and Chinese) dudes in mid- to upper-tier colleges across the Anglosphere.
Obsidian — for an East Asian dude who’s made the beta to alpha transition, Papa isn’t the best example. Google “Hoobie” from Real Social Dynamics. The guy is maybe 5′4″ but has pulled model-level hotties on a consistent basis.
Yes, Class does matter, but Game matters more.
White women totally ignored Chinese and Indian men until recently, due to a total lack of Game on the men’s part. This is changing now that it is becoming known to the mainstream that these men are successful. It will change even more once Chinese/Indian men discover the importance of Game.
Chris Rock’s latest special “Kill the Messenger” on HBO has a routine on black women being frustrated because they have standards while black men will bang any girl.
Tood: Great observations. My additions:
Every race/ethnic group has their peculiar physiological differences.
Blacks tend to have fuller buttocks, short torsos combined with longer legs. Asians tend to have longer torsos with shorter legs and flat asses, both men and women. Stand a black person and an Asian person of the same height next to each other and the black person’s waist line will be higher.
White folks have some of the worst natural body odor known to mankind.
Is it really great game when tall, blond guys get girls? Game is supposed to be independent of looks/culture but if a short Asian guy and a tall white guy apply the same game, the latter gets more girls. If they’re pulling the same number of girls, then it’s the Asian guy who has the better innate game given the “handicap”.
JAM:
Mr. M from Lovesystems is another short Asian PUA.
Lots of Asian guys are into this stuff, while very few blacks.
“When I used to go to Pickup conferences, something like 20%+ of the dudes there were East or South Asian. ”
This is because
Their analytical/entrepreneurial mind has identified what is wrong with them, and has caused them to seek improvement, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME :
They are SO far behind in natural game (on par with the nerdiest white World of Warcraft player), that they have a Herculean task ahead of them. Remember that their parents got arranged marriages, so their father got an attractive wife only on the strength of his degrees and job, and thus thinks the same still applied today.
I agree that Papa isn’t a bonafide PUA. I know him well, and have never actually seen him with a woman. He travels the world on his father’s credit card, nothing more.
Always learn from someone who started from the bottom AND is actually seen with women. Mystery, Ross Jeffries, JDog, Matador, and Lance Mason meet these qualifications. Papa does not.
I read that article the other day and also thought, “Men buying her drinks? A dude kissed her knees? Motherfucking BETAS! Weak ass game!” It was clear that the author’s perspective was skewed because she could not attract the full spectrum of male attention.
“Game is supposed to be independent of looks/culture but if a short Asian guy and a tall white guy apply the same game, the latter gets more girls. ”
Yes, but the world changes quickly.
As recently as 2005, Indian men would have been at the very bottom of the hierarchy of ’stereotype desirability’.
But due to a combination of cultural, political, and economic megatrends, you will, in a decade, see many of the younger ones at the very top, scoring the best chicks from all races. The reasons behind that are too lengthy to elaborate here, but remember this and observe…….
“Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession. This myth continues, because for their fathers, this WAS true. Their fathers had arranged marriages, where a girl’s parents are a primary decision force, nd thus evaluate a groom based on career potential, rather than ability to pass shit tests, etc. Thus, you see MANY nerdy Chinese and Indian guys with hot wives, which they could never have gotten within an American Urban dating structure.”
Thank God for this. First of all, I do not want my Indian brothers and asian cousins to end up demonic like Roissy et al. Second, because of their lack of game and parental strictness, the social order is maintained, very well in the native lands, not as well but still better than other communities in the West, because the women are not as slutty thanks to a combination of lack of “game” by a lot of the men, and fairly strict parental control over – actually – both of the sexes. Its a gift from the Gods that the Indians and East Asians have able to maintain their self-control while around them many other groups have descended into the hedonism that Roissy is an extreme example of (He is an interesting character though, I must admit)
The Economist did a study showing India and China respondents reporting on average 2 sexual partners in a lifetime, compared to the West with 10-15 sexual partners. There are major ramifications from this lack of discipline that the latter is a ***symptom*** of, which we will see THIS YEAR. Europe is going down the drain for sure, we will see how America does.
“White women totally ignored Chinese and Indian men until recently, due to a total lack of Game on the men’s part. This is changing now that it is becoming known to the mainstream that these men are successful. It will change even more once Chinese/Indian men discover the importance of Game.”
I PRAY that they don’t – the social order must be maintained. At the very least, I pray to God this shit never gets anywhere close to popular in the old countries. The good thing right now, is that in these countries you can still get killed for having sex – even consensual – with the wrong woman. That by itself will control male impulses – at least control them enough.
Black women are hotter than hell.Check out these women of color: http://www.nychocolatemodels.com
“White folks have some of the worst natural body odor known to mankind.”
I gotta call this one out — it might just because they hate deodorant or something, but black dudes are the worst. Anyone who has grown up in sports or regularly goes to an average gym knows that – they just love stinking like shit. Im sure the race doesnt even matter, but I think black dudes are just way less likely to use deodorant.
Everytime I go to China for work during the summer I get a case of yellow fever. When there you see clearly how westernization makes chicks ugly. In the westernized areas like the Pudong part of Shanghai, the chicks are picky, spoiled, and dress stylish but in a way that is not man pleasing. If you get out to the outskirts and away from the tourist areas, like where there’s phone #’s graffittied over all the walls and people sleep in the open in ditches, the chicks are fucking hot, dress hot, and aggressively pursue you. I’m not talking about whores either. Doctors, beancounters, nurses, etc…
Tood:
> They are SO far behind in natural game (on par with the nerdiest white World of Warcraft player), that they have a Herculean task ahead of them. Remember that their parents got arranged marriages, so their father got an attractive wife only on the strength of his degrees and job, and thus thinks the same still applied today.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree, then. I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.
Also, arranged marriages amongst first-generation immigrants from India are not *that* common compared to their similarly aged cohorts in India. And in fact, it’s changing rapidly in India. Indeed, from what I gather from my Indian friends, it’s only about 50/50 now amongst the urban educated set in major cities in India. “Cross-cultural”marriages, where say a Tamil marries a Gujarati, are no longer anything to write home about.
> Always learn from someone who started from the bottom AND is actually seen with women. Mystery, Ross Jeffries, JDog, Matador, and Lance Mason meet these qualifications.
Agreed. One of the lesser known PUA’s once told me: “if you’re going to learn something, learn it from a stupid kid who had to learn it the hard way.” It’s the same reason why you learn about earning wealth from someone who started out middle-class, rather than one who was born on third base.
Due to cultural conditioning, natural Game traits are most common in Black or Latino men.
Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession.
Or these could be to average genetic differences among races. As Roissy notes, black men on average have more testosterone and testosterone receptors. I really doubt that “culture” magically gives you more T receptors.
On average, I would say that a lot more black men are “naturals” than white men. On the other hand, when black men have bad game they tend to have _very_ bad game. Also, having on average lower analytical ability, I have seen many more black men end up being the natural who “loses it,” and can’t get it back. And there is really nothing more pathetic than that, not even being a natural born beta.
On an aside, anyone else looking forward to Cochran and Harpending’s book out on Monday?
Roissy’s comment filter won’t let me repost a comment I made on another thread about black women and looks, but here is the link:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/my-inaugural-balls/#comment-47428
@Indian
I’m not sure about the trajectory of Game, per se, in India. But the same social forces that happened in the West (urbanization, vast amounts of wealth being created, etc, etc) are now taking hold in India. Hell, one Indian state recently allowed common-law marriages. It was (Googles) Maharashtra, the state with Mumbai.
From a social order perspective, this could be terrible. But with a place as diverse as India that comes from a very different philosophical lineage as the West, it’s hard to predict what could happen.
One of the lesser known PUA’s once told me: “if you’re going to learn something, learn it from a stupid kid who had to learn it the hard way.” It’s the same reason why you learn about earning wealth from someone who started out middle-class, rather than one who was born on third base.
Which is why it is so often almost totally useless to try and learn anything from naturals. _Watching_ naturals in action can sometimes be of use, but only once you already know some PUA theory.
RE: body hair
Couldn’t disagree more that “white” girls have the most body hair.
The more a girl (and her fore bearers) were in the sun the more/darker body hair she will have. Therefore Mediterranean, Caribbean and East Indians have much more hair on average, and this has of course has nothing to do with how hot they are.
From my extensive experience, many girls from Spain, Italy, Brazil etc will not shave (only wax) because their thick, dark hair grows back in such obvious stubble. And these examples were gloriously hot girls…
“Watching_ naturals in action can sometimes be of use, but only once you already know some PUA theory.”
Indeed. You need someone who can explain what is happening and why. An engineering backgroud helps, which is why JDog, Lance Mason, and Matador are good teachers.
“But the one who is more European-looking (he passes for Italian) had to bring a quarter of the game to the table that the other did when they were experimenting outside the race (mostly White and East Asian).”
True, at this moment. But shrinking rapidly. A few Indians in positions of high visibility (Bobby Jindal, Sanjay Gupta, Naveen Andrews, Neel Kashkari, etc.) chips away at this with rapidity. A few examples of success elevates the perception of the whole group. Learning Game is still essential, though.
Just give it a decade. You’ll see.
Did anyone watch the video and see this woman?
I strongly recommend you guys check out that video before commenting.
Anybody familiar with hunter-farmer theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_theory
The best guy with women I ever met grew up as a natural, lost his virginity really early, and in his early twenties has already slept with over 100 women. He also has ADHD.
ADHD people tend to be very good in the moment and it is amazing to see this guy make up conversation out of nothing. On the other hand, he lives hand to mouth and his life is a complete mess. He started learning game after depression messed with his confidence and he seems to be quite emotionally fragile still.
On the other hand, people on the farmer end of things, i.e. nerds, tend to have autism spectrum disorders. These people are far less adept at reading others’ minds, tend not to do well in the moment and therefore often do much less well with women.
This sad, pathetic article has been on the web for several years. I laughed at it or perhaps the writer when I regrettably first stumbled upon it, but paid it no mind beyond wishing that there was some other retort out there which would point out how incredibly sad and pathetic she was (I say “other” because someone else has written a middle finger retort to it.. http://www.ebogjonson.com/archives/2005/12/susan_crain_bak.php).
Anyhow, Roissy, you gave her the skewering no black man could.. thankyou.
“Things are somewhat different for East African women, who are also frequently quite attractive, though still not quite as attractive on average as white or Asian women.”
I disagree. East African women have narrower noses and lips, and are a lot less prone to obesity than West African women.
Iman is one example. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is good too, even though she is a politician, not an entertainer.
I think Roissy is coming off a little more bitter and angry in this post that circumstance warrants. So the woman is adapting her game as she grows older, so what?
I would also suggest people check out T.’s old post here:
http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/
I’m convinved the the 2-3 generations of men who have been circumcised against their will in America (from the 1950s-present) has contributed mightily to the slow decline of the masculinity of White men.
Circumcision does something to a man, something very negative – it seems to decrease their masculinity to an extent, and likely leaves some psychological scars due to the sheer brutality of slicing up the genitals of a newborn babe who has no clue what is going on.
Why were tens of millions of White males circumcised against their will when they were newborns? Most Blacks and the vast majority of Hispanics NEVER allowed their baby boys to be brutally sliced…so why have White people allowed this epidemic of child abuse to take root in America?
Even though these tens of millions of White men are not Jewish or Muslim, still the doctors ‘recommended’ (more like strongly pressured) the parents to have their little White baby boys circumcised – gullible young parents were basically forced in to having a doctor slice up their baby boy’s penis – WHY? It is worth stating that many of these doctors who did the recommending also happened to be Jewish who are disproportionately doctors in America.
So American men and women – if you allow your baby boy’s penis to be sliced and mutilated against their will YOU ARE COMMITTING CHILD ABUSE. Why would you get a baby circumcised if you are not Jewish or Muslim family? Luckily the tide is turning against this barbaric practice in some European countries where routine infant circumcision is being outlawed…but in America far too many millions of White baby boys are still being sliced up against their will with very adverse effects on their masculinity.
The reason this woman can fuck black men is not simply “lower black standards” in finding the easy lay.
I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. Especially at the bottom of the social status hierarchy, where a lot of black men dwell.
Black men may boast a higher self-image, but I think it’s clear that many of them have internalized an inferior social worth vis a vis whites. Bedding a white woman, any white woman, but especially an educated, higher class white woman like this, is an act of self-validation. It reveals an implicit belief that this woman is “better” than them in some broader and important sense, even though she looks worse than the average tranny.
And that’s sad, but, hey, it’s pretty sad this woman has to look like this too. So everybody wins. The black guy gets to fuck a “superior” white woman, and the white she-cow gets a tight-bodied, hard-dicked fuck, that she wouldn’t be able to get if blacks didn’t form a depressing ethnic under-class.
“I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. ”
Yes. This is indeed why a lot of South and East Asian men will rocket from the bottom of the market value hierarchy to the top, in a relatively short time. These same traits induce them to put effort into learning Game.
Back on my transient yellow fever:
I just don’t understand why women rarely dress well (as defined by men) in westernized countries. In the light-industry areas of China (i.e. Schenzen where your electronics are made by 20 year old farm girls) most of the factory women during the summer wear simple short skirts with nylons. The white collar and professional women that support the factories, wear the short skirts with nylons, but often have slightly nicer fabrics like silk. Some look so beautiful that when they walk by you there’s an such an uplifting aura that sweeps through the room that it’s like some sort of air-freshener commercial. It doesn’t hurt the eyes that you can see ample leg above the knee to check out bedroom potential. But it is hard to imagine actually laying honest pipe when you don’t understand their culture. I especially wouldn’t fraternize with the 20 year old factory girls although I think I’m starting to get a fetish for the little anti-static caps that they have to wear. When the white-collar chicks want to go out to lunch with you, you have to drag one of the other engineer guys with you so they don’t the wrong idea in a 1 on 1 outing, but I honestly have no idea what’s going through their minds. I think running “game” would be hugely disrespectful to their culture in that kind of climate, though it would be very productive. Mind-fucking over our future overlords is probably inviting bad kharma.
It takes me a long time after I return to get attracted to bitchy, ugly American chicks again.
Are black men less picky than white men? If so, that would explain the author’s sudden conversion. My view: Black guys are indeed less picky when considering short term flings and one night stands.
I am sad to say, I have seen some very attractive, successful black men in long term relationships with some quite mediocre looking white women. I have also seen a lot of really good looking, but low class black men in long term relationships with some seriously nasty white chicks. I don’t think it is a short term thing. My general impression is that black men are just less picky on average when it comes to looks. On the other hand, black women seem to be _more_ picky when it comes to both looks and game.
Not surprisingly, black men are generally considered the best looking on the planet, while black women are generally considered below average. I would suspect that the genetic make up of the black population is skewed towards favouring masculine attractiveness.
“Circumcision does something to a man, something very negative – it seems to decrease their masculinity to an extent, and likely leaves some psychological scars due to the sheer brutality of slicing up the genitals of a newborn babe who has no clue what is going on.”
BWAHAHA!
You will never be able to appreciate how truly stupid your pet activism is.
jurassic droned:
I think Roissy is coming off a little more bitter and angry
you misspelled gleefully sadistic.
So the woman is adapting her game as she grows older, so what?
and couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies.
which i happily eviscerated.
“and couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies.”
I don’t begrudge her sleeping with black Beta men for happiness. But I do disapprove of her rationalizing it by saying that white men are bad at seduction.
So this article is a bad one to write, even if her private actions are fair transactions between consenting adults.
“The same intra-race mechanism apples to white, Hispanic (who?), and Asian men.”
hispanic who?…why did you say that? I didn’t get it.
The average american female is 5′4 160 lbs, you think that Greek woman is any worse than that?
You will never be able to appreciate how truly stupid your pet activism is.
Agreed.
The only people who seem to really care about male circumcision are women and gay men, who project their own bodily narcissism onto heterosexual men. From the feminine point of view, one’s body is a precious, precious thing that must never, ever be violated. Heterosexual men, on the other hand, view their bodies as instruments to act in the world. The vast, vast majority of circumcised heterosexual men out there, and there are a lot of them, have never given their circumcision even the slightest thought. And, guess what, if you know all the facts and you don’t feel violated, then, you know what, you weren’t actually violated. Heterosexual men really do not much give a fuck about concepts like bodily integrity.
BTW since most of the pleasure, by far, a man gets out of sex with a woman is from her physical attractiveness, so if these activists really cared about about increasing mens’ sexual pleasure they would be putting all their energy into getting fatties into the gym. Girls phys ed and nutrition, now that’s a cause to believe in.
Circumcision :
Honestly, I didn’t know until age 19 or so that my familiar penis was NOT how I was born, and that a thing such as ‘foreskin’ once existed on me…
Much like people who never interacted with a newborn infant don’t know that there are blue spots on the infant’s back, or that the dried green umbilical cord stub protrudes from the bellybutton for several days before falling off.
In this day and age, being short is a bigger handicap for men than race. i.e. a tall Asian man has it better than a short white man.
@ jesus lizard
thanks. this post is tits:
http://www.ebogjonson.com/archives/2005/12/susan_crain_bak.php
the really interesting thing is that this guy is a self-described liberal who admits to having changed some of his original post because he didn’t want to be seen as making ‘attacks on her gender’. despite that he’s still managed to come up with some real gems:
Bakos pats herself on the back for being a sex journalist who not only talks the talk but takes takes it up the “A” pipe, but she’s really just the rankest sort of payola eater…
We’re expected to believe that Bakos doesn’t the things that system denies her? The wealthy, Viagra-enabled white, well, dicks in Manhattan who ritually leave wives of Bakos’ age, intelligence, accomplishment for much younger women? The adoration of legions of men invisibly masturbating to electronically mediated images of women just out of girlhood?
and my favorite:
Black women don’t dislike her kind because she’s “taking their men.” They dislike her because she’s an insufferable asshole who exudes a blithe, rather uniquely white female sense of entitlement. Bakos believes that her whiteness has such intrinsic value that it trumps the downward pressure exerted on her sexual stock by her age…
this sort of honesty gives me hope after all in the age of obama. it’s like the television show ‘the wire’. it’s creators are avowed leftist, but they know the subject matter and were honest about it; and, therefore, created something that honestly showed what has gone wrong in our inner cities.
Now this was a fisking. Damn.
Tood,
An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks) and acne prone (like ginger white girls). Also, south indian chicks have extremely frizzy hair that seems to get all over the place when you fuck them.
Great features and good hygiene tho.
“In this day and age, being short is a bigger handicap for men than race. i.e. a tall Asian man has it better than a short white man.”
This is very true. Ive grown more and more aware of how self conscious and pissed off short guys are — for pretty good reason as height will make up for a lot of other deficiencies.
Lance, does Obama strike you as dishonest? I’m sure you could come up with some things, but while its early, he has so far to be more honest than any other president I can remember.
My general impression is that black men are just less picky on average when it comes to looks.
Given the ugly girls that I’ve seen older brother associate himself with, I’d be tempted to say that’s true, but I’ll refrain from making any wider assumptions based on that given his previous and current state.
Of course, if one believes that black women are mostly unattractive, then the theory plays out in a situation where black men have become accustomed to ugly women, and thus, are more likely to find ugly women attractive.
Interestingly, as I’ve stated, I’ve met plenty of black women with great bodies, but the women have a ugly face, which in some cases, one could describe as very masculine…
Tood
> Just give it a decade. You’ll see.
Then you agree with my statement? :
> I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.
LOL. The internet can be a bitch, even when we agree.
1. What about the thrill of the other? If someone has a fantasy about dating outside their race, but are restricted in that—i.e. because black men are generally poorer and less educated and violent, fewer middle/upper class non-black girls see them as dating partners—then they lower their standards.
So this older white slut becomes good enough for them, at least for one night.
2. As another idea: as anyone who’s been with a cougar knows, they are incredibly insecure and easy to manipulate.
Black men also know that nonblack women will put up with more shit from them than a black woman will simply out of culturally-inspired fear and some whacked out pc-liberal SWPL notion that “black guys are allowed to act like that, even though other guys I would shut down.”
So combine the two and you have this woman, who probably sleeps with guys who steal from her and tell her to shut up , aand stays with them out of fear and desperation. For a black guy, she’s very easy pickings.
And let’s not forget black guy’s well worn love of “the booty.” White women develop “black booty” in middle age.
3. Since we’re on the race thing, I wonder how it got to this point. Certainly blacks couldn’t have always had more testosterone than other races, simply because someone had to have the heavy hand in the slavery eras; otherwise, blacks would have simply overpowered slave owners.
Me thinks that the removal of white lower classes combined with the emphasis on violent behavior in black movements (think the Panthers) has led to a point where self-selection in mating has produced an imbalance that wasn’t there in, say, 1900 or 1800.
Remember: the Roman elites were once famous for leading charges into battle and being bloodthirsty alpha tyrants–willing to literally bite an opponents nose off in battle, or rip their neck with their teeth. That was during the height or growth periods of the empire. During the crumble, no elites took to the battle lines, and engorged themselves in food/sex orgies and were renown for their effiminate nature. Atilla the Hun would have been resoundly whipped had he faced Scipio Africanus in his prime.
This pattern tends to repeat itself in empire-building nations. Viscious, manly alphas at first, then becoming weak and womanish as time goes on. The whole “Oriental despot” image, for example, of being fat, surrounded by silks and pillows and high on opium came centuries after their Mongol and Arab and Persian ancestors were piling skulls outside of city walls and throwing children to tigers.
Racial groups, it seems, tend to be victims of their own success.
@ roissy
“couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies…
which i happily eviscerated.”
yeah, but why? Is she your mother? Why are you emotionally invested in the rapid manufacture of proper cat ladies?
i would be an outlier. i’ve dated nearly as many non white girls as white girls.
as for this slag, she’s doing what those same white trash chicks do, taking the rod where she can find it, while doing what women have mastered, which is rationalizing her way to enjoying it and justifying it for all (herself) to see.
and yeah, it sucks for black women. so few white guys date them, and black men will typically jump ship for even the most busted of white broads given the opportunity. as i prefer indian and brazilian women……they can have all the white and/or black women they like.
“Then you agree with my statement? :
> I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.”
Sort of agree. But it will take a full 10 years. Not less. The generational strata has to adjust. The innate Indian xenophobia has to fade. Grooming/fashion habits have to sink in for Indian men AND women.
As the fashion sense/fitness habits of Indian women rise, the ability of Indian men to game White/Chinese chicks also rises (Newton’s third law of motion).
Circumcision: being that I was born in Europe and not Jewish, well, no knife has ever been anywhere near my johnson.
Since about 2/3 of the girls I’ve slept with were American, I’ve noticed that a few were surprised to see a natual man, since they were used to circumcised ones. However, in every single case they said that it feels better going in.
That of course can be chalked up to the fact that the girls were being nice. Except that one, they all sounded like they meant it. And two, why else would all of them say the same thing, if they were just being nice?
If your religious tradition doesn’t compell you to snip your boy, don’t do it. I’m not.
Again, I think Black Woman have it bad due to the high prevalence of obesity in them. That is the main reason, nothing more.
A moderately hot black woman would be the right basis to compare racial advantage/disadvantage from.
lullzzz – roissy ftw big time
No kidding. But when your opponent is Susan Crain Bakos it’s easy to get a vicious first round knockout.
whiskey – It’s worth noting that Black MEN find Black women dating outside the race a very bad thing, and some have resorted to extreme lynching type violence. The case of the Camp Pendleton Marines (all Black) who tortured and did other terrible things the their Sergeant (a White, Polish emigre) and his Black Wife (studying to be a Doctor) out of racial animosity is a case in point.
“Other terrible things” would be gang rape and double murder. Another example of a crime which would have receive intense coverage and moral outrage if the people involved were racially switched.
Thursday – The only relatively unmixed West African black woman of great attractiveness I can think of is Naomi Campbell, though she has a bit of Chinese blood.
Garcelle Beauvais is unmixed West African descended Haitian American.
For an older woman she still is above average looking for a woman of any race.
Her White husband looks blah.
> “I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. ”
I agree.
I’ve seen Indian and Chinese doctors do incredibly well with White girls in their extended social circle, even when they’ve had minimal game. Much better than, say, software engineers.
Game still counts, though. Drop the average one of these MDs in a club and it’s epic fail. Drop (the rare but increasingly common) one of these guys with game in a club… and it’s alpha time.
Nice Roissy – I am a white male 27 y/o and want nothing to do with black women…I chalked it up to thinking that a black women could not produce offspring that I would be even remotely proud of, do you really want a black whale raising your extensions?
F* this “sex columnist” – she is in her own little world – but if it wasnt for her, I would have no motivation tonight…
happy hunting…
“they are definitely thrill/joke fucks,”
LOL, I love the phrase “joke fuck”. I’m going to have to find a way to use that phrase in polite company seeing the reaction I get. Perhaps during the superbowl (I have to go to a superbowl party with a bunch of stuffy up-tight eurotrash people) when all the viagra ads are on, I’ll have to say something about needing Viagra so I can “joke fuck” horse-faced women for kicks. I can’t wait. I’m sure calling a woman a “joke fuck” is far worse than calling her a “slut”.
again with the amatuer social science on these comments.
from levi:
An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks)
black people do not have oily skin. black skin is quite dry, which is why black people use a lot of lotion and vaseline. this is why black people get ashy skin in the winter. look it up on urban dictionary or something.
While Agnostic, befitting his Scots-Irish side, has a taste for booty, being part Japanese might not his taste for teenagers be somewhat genetic in origin. IIRC, the Japanese have a fetish for schoolgirl/teen porn and a liking for small, cute things in general.
My mom’s side is Scots-Irish, and dad’s is French and Japanese. So yes, I was predestined to be a pugnacious pervert.
The young girl thing is heritable — my father and one of my two brothers have always dug the PYTs. When my dad remarried, she was a blonde 10 to 15 years younger and 3 inches taller than him who had a very girly demeanor.
This could well have come from the French side, though — my father’s father. It was he who chose the bashful young Japanese chick while stationed over there. And the French certainly are obsessed with adolescent girls — you’re a lit and film buff, so I don’t need to go on there.
Basically, it’s only the most civilized places, like the Germanic and perhaps northern Slavic groups, who don’t dig teenagers.
It’s not just a “cute little thing” thing, either. It’s a paradox thing too, like how they can be so cute and sweet yet so savagely lustful.
Here’s an interesting article on a theory of long term evolutionary reasons for differing rates of “Game” among racial groups.
Paternal Provisioning versus Mate Seeking in Human Populations
Paternal investment theory suggests that in cold climates males were selected for provisioning, rather than for mating success.
In warm climates, where female gathering made male provisioning unessential, selection was for mating success. Male hunted meat was essential for female winter survival.
Genes that encouraged mating success were selected for in warm (was cold) climates. Negroids (blacks) evolved in warm cold climates, while Caucasians (whites) and Mongoloids (Asians) evolved in colder climates.
Mating is assisted by a strong sex drive, aggression, dominance, sociability, extraversion, impulsiveness, sensation seeking, and high testosterone.
Provisioning is assisted by anxiety, altruism, empathy, behavioral restraint, gratification delay, and a long life span.
Explanations are offered for racial differences in many personality characteristics, hormone levels, monamine oxidase levels, testosterone levels, lactase dehydrogenase metabolic paths, life spans, prostate cancer rates, hypertension, genital (penis and testes) size, vocal frequencies, liver size, muscle structure, mesomorphy, bone density, sports performance, crime rates, rape, child abuse, earnings, age at first sexual activity, AIDs, illegitimacy, divorce, marriage, and polygyny rates.
Eye color correlations are discussed. Negro family structure in the Caribbean and the U.S. may reflect selection in Africa during hunter-gather times. Comparison is made with differential K theory and father absence theories.
Indians do NOT have oily or acne-laden skin. Your sample size is too small if you think that.
They have far fewer blemishes than white women. Fewer freckles, less acne, fewer moles.
About 60% of white women have freckles around/above their cleavage. This is a big turnoff for me.
Now, this is an interesting post. Surprised it hasn’t generated more discussion. Here’s my take. Darwinism.
American blacks are amongst the most athletic and physically fit in the world. This has a lot to do with slavery. Only the most physically fit were brought to the Americas from Africa. They had to survive a six month transatlantic voyage where only the strongest survived and once in the Americas, they were forced to do back breaking manual labor. This went on for 200 years. As a result, they are physically fit. Are we really surprised that they dominate in athletic pursuits? Muscle is more a masculine feature and hence black women are perceived more masculine.
To a somewhat lesser degree, Hispanics (in America) are also subject to these forces as well since they are now the ones doing the physically demanding manual labor. There are many well built hispanic men out there.
Indians and Asians (here in America) tend to be very well educated and as a result have well paying occupations. This is not because all Indians and Asians are brilliant. If that were the case, their respective countries would be doing much better than they are. Their brilliance is a reflection of a filtered immigration policy, namely the H1B visa program. This has a huge impact on the Indian population here in the US. While other Asians have been emigrating to the US for many years (many Chinese were brought to build railroads), Indians are relative newcomers and have largely emigrated through the H1B visa program or through entry at some post graduate program. Indian Americans are very well educated and have well paying jobs but there are plenty of stupid Indians in India.
The American caste system. Of course, white people are stratified across the board. Smart ones, dumb ones, athletic and non-athletic. Can’t really generalize white people.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UFTnPG6tXZs
Actually, this is a great line for game :
“Who is more racist, women or men?”
I think that is a great component to use during Game, particularly in the Age of Obama.
Fun topic; combines this crowd’s interest in sex differences with gnxp/Steve Sailer racialism.
I agree with Roissy that there is probably a preference to mate within the race. As an Asian, for example, I place less emphasis on the T&A, which seems to be the obsession of white and (especially) black men, and in which Asian girls are notably deficient.
That said, there is also on top of that a racial hierarchy; black men are most desirable and Asian men the least, while Asian women are most desirable and black men the least. In both cases Whitey is in between, in the classic order. Fundamentally it probably has to do with testosterone; definitely some biological effect, though I think there’s still insufficient data to be as certain about the exact cause as some of the commentators are.
But even as an Asian male I don’t feel terribly victimized by nature. Because of racial preferences, the effect size is small; of about 300 acquaintances, I know of 6 AF/WM couples, and 3 WF/AMs. And this is at a fancy liberal-arts university. White competition for Asian females is far down the list of things I’m worried about, and people of both sexes and all races whining about other races “stealing” their women/men are probably just frustrated with their own failure and seeking out a convenient target.
Roissy touches upon another point though, which is culture. And this really is what accounts for much of the variation in racial preferences. Black men, as Roissy pointed out, probably have the top natural game of the major races, given that their culture tends to be more aggressive and tolerant of masculinity than mainstream America.
Asian culture, by contrast, is more restrained and sedate. Our parent’s generation, born out of the country, largely met through friends or at low-energy scenes; the fast-paced nightclub and urban anonymity were unknown to them. This didn’t mean that they had no game; humans are humans all ’round, and women still respond to the same behaviors, but it does mean that their methods were less aggressive, and restrained by societal ideals of politeness and respect.
Now of course this is changing throughout Asia, and it makes interesting study for sociologists. What it means for us, the second generation, though, is that we were brought up with an idea of sex relationships ill-adjusted to aggressive Western game. When people see Asian men as wimpy, that’s less a judgment on their testosterone as a difference in the culture they were raised in. But people aren’t stupid, and the majority of my friends have levels of game comparable to or (for science majors) greater than their peers.
So race does play a role in the sexual market, but both because the effect size is small, and because people prefer to date in-race, it’s not likely to have any macro-level effects. Those who say otherwise likely have a personal agenda, whether to bemoan their own position or to lionize the sexual superiority of their own race.
Correction: The majority of my Asian friends have good game, etc. IE people learn what’s needed to succeed socially in the culture they live in, so this effect cannot last long.
I see hot Asian and black chicks, but it’s clear to me where my strongest preferences lie.
This is part of growing up. When you’re young, you aren’t planning on marrying or raising kids — just fucking whoever you can and letting someone else deal with the problem (her, a cuckolded dude, etc.).
That’s probably why guys are much more into the exotic girls when they’re about 15 to 25 or 30, but then focus more on same-race women afterward. I’ve noticed this change just within the past year (from 27 to 28), and not just because there aren’t a lot of honey-skinned Persian chicks out here in the Mountain Time Zone for me to chat up.
Michael Blowhard says the same thing: chased Italian and Jewish girls while young, then married a blonde.
As much as the over-25 guys may want to pretend, the urge to commit long-term is a lot stronger than before — hence all the preoccupation about identifying non-sluts, women with integrity, and so on.
Anyway, here’s a way to test what causes white guys’ increasing focus on white women — is it the same for black men? If the cause has something to do with being with someone of the same race, then black guys should chase white girls when young but then want more and more to settle down with a black woman.
If the cause has something to do with wanting a woman who’s stable, chaste, etc., when you get around to marriage, then black guys should do the opposite — chase around black girls when young and then want to marry a white woman.
American blacks are amongst the most athletic and physically fit in the world. This has a lot to do with slavery. Only the most physically fit were brought to the Americas from Africa. They had to survive a six month transatlantic voyage where only the strongest survived and once in the Americas, they were forced to do back breaking manual labor. This went on for 200 years. As a result, they are physically fit. Are we really surprised that they dominate in athletic pursuits? Muscle is more a masculine feature and hence black women are perceived more masculine.
The real reason American Blacks are more athletic than African blacks is more likely that they have better nutrition. They also happen do live in a country with an Anglo-Saxon sports tradition, that invented or codified almost every sport played world wide.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/11/black-athletes-and-testosterone.html
BTW Agnostic, have you watched Pauline at the Beach yet.
Also, I know I shouldn’t be encouraging you, but you might want to check out some of Colette’s novels about young girls, such as Gigi and the Claudine novels.
I simply do not get the rise in ass-obsessed men in the last 10-15 years. I can only attribute this to the influence of black pop music (i.e. rap), which constantly emphasizes booty. I think the preference shook down to listeners.
The bigger the ass, the worse the girl. Nothing like a good tight ass you can spank hard (because they feel it more). They’re connected to shapely thin legs, usually long too.
Big ass women are useless and ugly. Maybe its the rise in anal sex, brought on by gay men’s influence, that makes it so appealing, too. But a woman with a fat ass is just a fat chick. Maybe her top can help balance her out, but she’s already behind the eight ball.
I’m a leg man myself. At a strip club once, a stripper leaned over during a dance and asked me, “So, are you a tit man or an ass man?”
I said, “Neither, I’m a leg man.”
She said, “You’re a dying breed.”
I can remember as a little kid, when Sesame Street had the Rockettes on, with their bare legs high stepping, getting all excited. So much hotter than some overweight little hoochie mama just turning around and shaking her fat-filled crap hole at me.
Not hot. Not hot at all.
Brilliant!
There is no way this gross disgusting old hag who hit the wall so hard she is on the other side of it is attracting any sort of white man except the bottom of the barrel dregs who will dump a fuck in her distended flabby hole because they can’t afford an internet connection to whack off to porn outside of the public library.
Is the key phrase, destroying her argument.
Of the BM-WF couples I do see, I notice two different types: The Maury Povich who’s-the-daddy fat white trash girl with the thug, and the hot blonde, usually European girl with the handsome, well-dressed, and educated-looking yuppie black man. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground between those two types.
I HOPE you are right, and that an Obama presidency isn’t going to push a bunch of SWPL women into the arms of black men looking for “change”.
Either way, testosterone is key. Steve Sailer blogged it, Half Sigma, Maloy, and now the famous Roissy.
JP Rushton comes full circle!
Blacks only dominate the low-budget athletic pursuits (i.e. those than can be practiced on the cheap) : Boxing, Running, basketball, football.
They are quite absent from high-budget sports : Rowing, Fencing, Golf, Swimming, Diving, Cycling, Ice Hockey. Anecdotes like Tiger Woods are a rare exception, and is only 50% black.
As much as the over-25 guys may want to pretend, the urge to commit long-term is a lot stronger than before — hence all the preoccupation about identifying non-sluts, women with integrity, and so on.
I dunno. I used to care more about how many men a girl had been with when I was young than now. Perhaps the passing of youthful idealism. And it is amazing how many young people, both male and female, idealize getting married while you are both virgins.
Of course, except in a few subcultures, it doesn’t much happen anymore.
“Thank Heaven for Little Girls” — lol.
No, I canceled Netflix awhile ago, but I still remember the Rohmer recommendation.
Novels… hmmm, I wish I had more time for fiction reading. For now, I’m content with movies and painting.
I canceled Netflix awhile ago
Try here or here.
This could well have come from the French side, though — my father’s father. It was he who chose the bashful young Japanese chick while stationed over there. And the French certainly are obsessed with adolescent girls — you’re a lit and film buff, so I don’t need to go on there.
Now that you think about it the French (Rohmer, Colette, Duras) do has some of that. Besides the Japanese though, it’s Latin America where that is really a part of the culture. For example, Gabriel Garcia Marquez tends to write a fair bit about sex with 14 year olds.
Ironrailsweights- lookup ‘city air effect’. City air is unstable and hotter- hot air rises- lots of random updrafts, but unstable, varying with individual buildings.
A tornado is the tip of a big updraft- generally from a sudden push of cold air over a previous, stable parcel of hot air. That can cause hot air to rise so fast there’s a vortex at the bottom.
Land is still cheap enough to build a trailer park on the outskirts of a city- far enough out so the city air effect hasn’t kicked in yet. Tornadoes hit farms too, but one farmhouse at a time doesn’t hit the news.
Back to GNP!
So I have read this web site with a mixture of amusement, concern and some pity.
Sometimes Roissy makes good points but other times this blog/comments section is full of pseudo-intellectual, racist crap.
This is one of those times.
I am a black man. Gainfully employed and have lived and played in NYC for the past 6 years.
This is some racist shit, but hey whatever keeps you happy.
I do understand that a lot of people who read the original article feel threatened… and so you attack black men and of course, white women who date and fuck them.
I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.
Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list. Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers. Other times, pussy is just pussy.
However speaking for myself and other professional brothers – when it comes to choosing a girlfriend or a wife, those of us who prefer the Caucasian persuasion will go out and get the hottest one we can. I’d show pictures but that would annoy some of my friends.
So Gentlemen, say whatever you need to say to keep yourselves happy. If you were true players, there would be no need to bash this lady. All you’d need to do would be to point out the flaws in her argument and move on.
Lest I forget, you guys(Old white america) invented the myth of the super hung, animalistic black man not because it was true but because there was a concern that black men would do what white men had done for centuries – sleep with their women – and lord knows the USA couldn’t have that.
You don’t like black women (and I myself am not attracted to most) – FINE.
But this discourse could be on a higher level, without all this unacceptable and laughable race talk….
I am sure if that if this was an article by some some teeny asian woman expounding on the pleasures of caucasian men, most of you keyboard jockeys panties would not be in a twist, nor would you be as offensive.
the hottie standing on the right.
Wow you have really low standards for “hottie”.
Well according to Cochran and Harpending we Euros have some Neanderthal genes. Africans don’t. So our mating styles are slightly different.
646Hedgie,
But your grammar is good, so you are not really black (this is what white liberals have told be to believe).
Wow you have really low standards for “hottie”.
my hottie target acquisition system was temporarily miscalibrated by the glaring contrast with the seacow standing next to her.
Roissy: i love the post, you have a interesting dichotomy between intellectual thought and extreme bitterness and anger towards people. not sure why that is but it is very interesting.
“Yes. This is indeed why a lot of South and East Asian men will rocket from the bottom of the market value hierarchy to the top, in a relatively short time. These same traits induce them to put effort into learning Game.”
I’ve noticed more Asian guys and Indian guys with white girls lately in NYC. The guys really aren’t much to write home about and are generally average or shorter. I don’t really understand it, because I always just assumed average Asian guys were shut out of white girls.
Tood, do you think more higher-class white women will start going for higher-class Asian guys? If so, what will higher-class white guys do in return?
Whether the circumcision activist is right or not is beside the point.
The point is: why do American met allow their bodies to be modified without their consent, when the AMA has proven their is no medical reason for it?
Oh wait — I know! Because DA WIMMIN like it! If the genders were reversed would this even be allowed?
For this reason alone, anyone who supports circumcision is a Beta and an idiot (or a religious moron).
” I always just assumed average Asian guys were shut out of white girls.”
Until recently, they were.
Again, major economic and cultural forces of globalization change things. In the 80s, India’s image was poverty, due to Mother Teresa advertising the worst Indian poverty to the Western media. This harmed the prospects of Indian men for decades. Now, India’s ‘brand’ has more social value. China’s too.
“Tood, do you think more higher-class white women will start going for higher-class Asian guys?”
When both parties are very-high-class (millionaires), race has always mattered the least.
But to answer your question, yes. White women are figuring out that these guys are smart. Plus, being ‘globally aware’ is a fashionable thing now. The craze in Yoga, tea drinking, accupuncture, massage, etc. are all part of this.
BUT you STILL must achieve moderate mastery of Game. This always trumps everything else.
The good news is that this will force Chinese and especially Indian women to do more to compete too, which they have so far been very derelict on (teeth for Chinese women, fashion sense, hairstyle, and body shape for Indian women).
I meant “higher-class” as educated professional, not super-rich.
If more white women go for Asian guys, white men are disadvantaged. how should white men prevent this occurrence?
As for who is “smart”, Asians are only 4 IQ points smarter than white gentiles on average, and maybe 5 IQ points dumber than Jews on average. Plus, some white women fuck blacks, and “smarts” are certainly not the attraction there.
How is the best way to crash course in “Game”?
Dear God…………..I watched a bit of that video.
That woman is elderly and should be a grandmother or possibly even a great grandmother by now. To think that she is **into** her sex-life at that age and openly thinking about it all the time gives me the Dr. Ruth Westheimer-sized creeps.
Remember a few years backs folks when one of those old ugly feminist had some hardcore lesbian S&M porn fall out of her purse at an airport? It wasn’t Gloria Steinem, it was one of the really ugly ones, not Dworkin, not MacKinnon, ….aha! It was Betty Friedan.
Betty Friedan, who is almost as ugly as Helen Thomas (who should have been cast in the role of “the Penguin” in the Batman series), uses vibrators and gets off on lesbo S&M porn. Limbaugh, who isn’t nearly as funny as he once was, had quite a few laughs over that one. The mere mental thought of that old crone “being sexual” was pitiful to me.
There is a time to hang it up methinks. This old broad must have a vivid imaginination if she can picture (project) herself as young and attractive. Im sorry, flame me all you want, but if I was butt ugly, OLD, and single, I think I’d develop other interests and vocations to have a positive effect on the world around me other than attempting to excercise my libido.
My guess is that the black men who are willing to hump her have better imaginitive powers than other men and are thinking about younger hotter women while humping her aged rolls of flesh. At least she cant get pregnant at her age. She should be concerned with the loving and caring of her grandchildren…………………………..oops I forgot, she probably doesn’t have any and hence her concentration on a meaningless sex life in geritol-land.
This is sad.
Liberal – 646Hedgie, But your grammar is good, so you are not really black (this is what white liberals have told be to believe).
Never, ever underestimate the number of White liberal dorks – and Asians – who pretend to be black on the internet.
Too interesting… the guy who hoped that India and Asia are saved from this weird Game sh*t int he West, Im with you brotha. Give me a hardworking, honest, simple yet super successful Indian man any day over some wannabe alpha.
Indian and Asian women are smarter than average, no? That’s why they figure out faster than other chicks to go for the RICH beta – white, of their own race, etc.
The Asian women going for whites… I definitely think its a Western obsession. Or that particular Asian woman isnt pretty enough to get the top 10% of Asian guys.
As an Indian woman I can tell ya… most of the Indian girls who date out are either: a) decent to pretty status climbers marrying a future rich/old money white guy (e.g. Hill staffers, some Medical Doctors/Lawyers) b) too ugly to get an Indian man because for Indian people looks are usually 99% of a woman’s value (not including good old fashioned making of family alliances where looks matter a little less but rich families tend to have prettier daughters either by birth of by the surgeon!)
Here’s another picture of her which is more flattering.
http://www.gandalf.com.pl/authors/m/6807.jpg
Tiger Woods is less than 50% black (there’s some Cherokee on his Dad’s side) and actually 50% Asian so if anything, Tiger Woods should more appropriately be called an Asian American golfer.
This makes more sense given the huge numbers of Asians in golf (South Korean women dominate the LPGA) and the dearth of blacks in golf.
OK my comment was a bit unreadable… basically just trying to say in many traditional Asian cultures, the top 10% (just picking an arbitrary value here) of guys in terms of power and money tend to marry the top 10% of girls in terms of looks/feminity/etc. There are plenty of exceptions with the arranged marriage universe in terms of family alliances. I know of one very rich Indian doctor [making 500K+] who wanted someone very pretty and a doctor like him more for furthering his career – so he said no to the gorgeous ex-model and yes to the sweet looking but just pretty MD.
Im guessing the guys here in the US who are going to Game workshops are probably not as well connected to the Indian community to pull the top 10% of girls either by family connections, social circles, etc. Although Indian Doctor boys are well known for having groupies… STRANGE that they feel they need game. (Many Indian girls got smart though and focused on ibanker/privat equ/etc. recently – the recent crises notwithstanding.)
Women can have as much Game as men… Indian and Asian women are catching up. The ones I know who married the richest of the rich are not so stupid to risk them with affairs with alphas… and marrying a boring guy tends to lower the drive too so they wouldnt even be that motivated by the alpha.
Roissy — I am glad that you are exploring the racial element of game and relationships. You have great insights into unmasking the lies that permeate society and interracial relationships is one arena that could use more analysis.
Hehe, I remember discussing potential races of men with my rather unique mother the other day:
Asian men were weak/short/of small “inches”,
black men were ??? (I think there was simply a look of disbelief or a sound of disgust,I don’t know how to interpret that there may’ve been something about not knowing how to treat a woman),
middle eastern men were impotent,
indian subcontinent men were neurotic
and white men were betas (She expressed this — not knowing the ‘beta’ classification — by imitating an acquaintance saying ‘darling, shall I cook dinner tonight?’ with dripping contempt and saying how white women had their guys whipped).
That leaves precisely no race in general, that is attractive. If we really do have to go there, and be incredibly racist.
I sometimes read this blog to remind myself to avoid men, for each shall have flaws that I cannot force my frozen heart to overlook. While it’s interesting to look at racial trends, every person deserves their own individual assessment due to all sorts of outside factors. Regardless of that, there are certain commonalities within all males that make me freeze with fear at letting them have any control over me or my life. I tried that, it failed miserably, one cannot just recover. I think women were built for more monogamous states than you’d think, and that falling apart just messes up their psychology.
Black skin and big lips on a guy creep me out since my ex… which makes me think there must be some sort of latent racism swimming around in me, or else why would I associate all black skin with one guy? I used to wonder before then about it, a little, like I wondered about lots of things.
Anyway, if any woman of any race wants a guy like if any person of any demographic wants a job, they’ve just got to do fantastic and beat all the ‘healthy’ competition.
The rest of us can just all be happy with our cats, without having to be stuck with the 90% of the time soul-sucking ordeal a relationship between an unattractive female with a tenth-best-maybe man. From observation of couples from various groups and ages, I can happily declare that loneliness is much more preferable, despite common propaganda that being romantically alone is the worst fate on Earth.
Hey look folks…Bhetti B is the female version of David Alexander…
LOL! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Part II
Looks, in general, are a reflection of good health. Good health, in general, is a reflection of wealth. Most western countries are wealthy and their citizen enjoy good health and in turn are generally good looking. Most western nations are predominantly white. Thus there are more good looking white people than there are good looking people of other races.
There are other factors that come into play. Certain peoples are better looking than other peoples. I’ve found that I consider East African blacks are more attractive than West African blacks. Of course that may be due to the fact that they’ve mixed with the Arabs/Middle Easterners. I find the Spanish to be the best looking of the Europeans. Of course, they also mixed with Middle Easterners having been ruled by the Moors for over 200 years. I think the English are some of the ugliest white people around.
I think most of the blacks in America are of West African descent. I don’t find them particularly attractive. As with everything, though, there are exceptions.
Getting back to the actual post. Yes, she’s ugly as fuck. She is taking advantage of the fact that many black men like to bang white women with little regard for the fact that the white women in question may be uglier than a fact cow with leprosy.
There are many factors in the game of courtship/mating/love/sex.
“Tiger Woods is less than 50% black (there’s some Cherokee on his Dad’s side) and actually 50% Asian so if anything, Tiger Woods should more appropriately be called an Asian American golfer.
This makes more sense given the huge numbers of Asians in golf (South Korean women dominate the LPGA) and the dearth of blacks in golf.”
Yeah, but black culture “owns” him. I think asians getting Wu-Tang Clan in Dave Chappelle’s Racial Draft was a much better tradeoff though.
Lurker — Ghenghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the Arab cavalry, would have made mincemeat of the Romans in their prime: Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and so on. Only Alexander would have given them fits. Because only Alexander used cavalry in large amounts. The Romans disdained cavalry and did not fare well against those who used cavalry.
Otherwise, I agree. But the Romans also lacked lots of … well Romans. Particularly middling Romans who had the most to lose and fought ferociously.
Willard — I figured wordpress’s filter would not let those through. That’s what I meant.
A_C — Asians are small demographic slice. MOST Asian men are pretty frustrated, wrt dating, but it does not matter because there are relatively few Asians. Take the White majority and if most White men or even a lot of them are priced out of the dating market by preferences for men of other races, that’s a problem.
Culture and restraints can change rapidly. Thirty years ago guys like Nick Hogan and Federline would have been laughed at beaten up by acquaintences. Now? These guys are heros, and women drape themsevles all over them.
Regarding the races of women:
8’s, 9’s, and 10’s are 8’s 9’s and 10’s.
So while lots of asian chicks have flat butts, not all do. Within the groups Japanese and Chines, finding a girl with a nice apple butt is like …. oh man it’s like nothing else. They have all that lovely shiny black hair, hardly need to shave their legs, big-almond eye loveliness, plus a great ass.
That’s what makes filipino-american girls the bomb. Straight-outta-Luzon girls can be a little underfed or have fucked-up teeth or something, but take those genes and raise them in a healthy, middle-class American environment and it’s like God’s own private sex-harem. Perfect skin, cute little faces, and fanTASTic asses. A lot of them are crazy too, but I like crazy girls. They’re adorable.
Sigh. Makes me miss the West Coast.
I want to thank Roissy for introducing a most interesting topic within the context of Game, Social Dynamics, Race Realism, Evolutionary Psychology and the almighty Sexual Marketplace. Since I see the discussion humming right along, I’ll just add a few comments right now, and jump back in later on this evening.
Roissy hits on some really good points in his argument in response to Bakos’ essay, however, he doesn’t quite answer full on some of her points and positions. For example, she clearly states that a huge part of the attraction for her and other White Women IS THE SEX. Simply put, Black Men can fuck better than can White, Asian or Hispanic Men, on average, all things being equal.
Instead of dealing with whether this is true or not, however, Roissy takes shots at Bakos. True, I don’t find her attractive at all, and have always prided myself on being very selective as to the type and kind of Woman I’d get involved with; but no matter what the case, Bakos’ appearance is to me irrelevant. The question is, does her claims have merit?
When it comes to laying the pipe, the answer is quite clear. And in an age where Women really don’t *need* guys for much else, little things like that matter.
Still, Roissy notes some things that do beg addressing. Let’s quickly examine a few.
W/o question, as he rightly notes, Brothas got Natural Born Game on lock. In fact, no dis to the R, but he can’t hold a candle to three Naturals I’ve mentioned here several times: Zam, Dave P the Haitian Superman, or Ricky The Cancer.
Let me count the ways.
Last Summer while attending a Hawaiian-theme Luau party at his invitation, I got the chance to see a vicious threeway catfight between two Sistas w/serious Rumpshakers, and a Latina whose long black hair touched her own prodigious booty cheeks, which peeked out from under the minidress she was wearing that night. Problem was that, and I didn’t find this out till after the fact the next day, ALL THREE WOMEN WERE BANGIN’ RICKY, and ALL THREE KNEW EACH OTHER. It was just they couldn’t decide who’d get him that night, and a fight broke out. Never, ever, saw anything like that before or since. And I’ve seen a lot.
Zam doesn’t use a cellie to hold his props numbers in, or for that matter a little black book-he uses Excel spreadsheets. By his own count he lost count of the gals he’s banged around 500 over the past decade. That’s more than the whole of this forum’s members combined. Moreover, he has a hot to death bi-sexual gal who drives him to work and picks him up in the evening, AND, he’s also got this cute JAP outta state, chasing him around, beggin him to hit it. Unfortunately, being the Brotha Zam is, she was a bit too Booty Deficient for him to do the deed.
And I don’t call Dave P the Haitian Superman for nothing. This guy can pull honest to goodness Dimes while waiting in the checkout aisle at Pathmark, in Dickies and in serious need of a cut. I’ve seen him do it. Numerous times. He’s also from Florida, St. Pete’s actually, and has been repeatedly hit on by Daytona Beach looking White chicks. He just ain’t into em like dat.
My point in all this being, that, on balance, yea, the average Brotha is gonna have more Game than the average White guy, and id even go so as to say a White guy who’s got pretty good “Jedi assisted” Game skills.
Yup, no doubt testosterone is behind it, which Roisssy expertly explains, and which explains the whole thing about Sistas. Note that they, like any other Woman *still get to choose* at the end of the day, and the deal is that for them, for the most part, no one matches Brothas for them. As Roissy notes, that’s both good, and bad.
Are Black Men less discriminating than are other Men? I suppose so, taken as a group, and this would make sense, since, if getting laid a lot is your goal, you’re much more likely to meet your goal if you’re a bit lax on standards. But somehow im not too comfortable in giving Black Men the corner on bangin’ otherwise unattractive chicks. From where I sit I see plenty of White, Jewish, Asian and Hispanic guys happily bangin’ away at their Homely Sisters in DNA. So there.
BUT, having said that, I have to agree, when Roissy notes that there are Brothas who will hump anything that moves who’s White. Tru dat. Having said that though, and again Roissy’s noted this, it ain’t *that* unsual to see a Brotha w/a White Hottie, or at least one that White guys consider as much. Y’all know me, most White chicks simply ain’t got no Back. Im just sayin’.
So, why ARE there so few Brothas in attendance at liars, seminars etc, for Game? Well, the quick and easy answer is, duh, they don’t need it.
That’s where I would disagree.
One of the major reasons for the dearth of Brothas at these kinds of functions is due to a very real sense of anti-intellectualism on the part of many Brothas. And it is not w/o merit. Lots of Black Men have had very negative experiences with the learning experience and as a result get very turned off by such things. Moreover, the excessive Pride which many Black Men have will prevent themselves from learning from Game’s insights, relying instead on instinct. There they fail, badly.
Another major stumbling block that Brothas have, is the tendency to rely on natural talents. It promotes laziness, and that’s something I’ve always worked extra hard to root outta me. So when I heard about the chance to literally “up” my Game, it was an offer I couldn’t refuse. Simply put, my goal is to wed my God given talent w/state of the art techology, giving me the kind of Rock Solid Game a target of mine can’t help but give up the panties. And when Brothas see one of their own doing something like that, believe me, it makes one heck of a statement. Did I mention that just about all the fellas on the job and my barber want me to order them The Game?
Good stuff y’all. Let’s keep talking.
The Obsidian
Blacks only dominate the low-budget athletic pursuits (i.e. those than can be practiced on the cheap) : Boxing, Running, basketball, football.
They are quite absent from high-budget sports : Rowing, Fencing, Golf, Swimming, Diving, Cycling, Ice Hockey.
IIRC, the lack of black people in swimming is supposedly due to the quirk that blacks on average have more muscle mass than whites, which means blacks are more likely to drown in water since muscle is denser than fat and doesn’t float. I guess nature is racist…
As for the other sports, they suffer from the fact that they’re expensive programmes to operate and maintain, and your average cash-strapped school district isn’t willing to pay for these programs. Basketball is not only cheap, but it’s highly popular which guarantees some ticket sales, and the athletes are interested in it because it’s a ticket to college and eventually for a lucky few, the NBA. Football is a bit more expensive, but can be played in city-owned fields in parks or on schools lucky enough to fit a field.
Plus, one must note that with the exception of ice hockey, most of the sports in the high-budget category don’t lead to professional careers that are highly televised with big salaries and endorsements. Why would any athletic male teenager waste his productive years on a sport with no recognition and no money when there’s basketball and football for the big money.
Interestingly, I suspect baseball has lost some of its luster because it’s no longer fun to waste away on a minor league baseball for little or no pay hoping for a major league team to find you. At least with college basketball and football, you get some TV time, and women chase you around on campus, and if your IQ is high enough, you may walk away with a degree in something. As for hockey, it suffers from it’s reputation as a “white” sport for Canadians, and most schools don’t have (and can’t afford) their own hockey rinks, it’s a moderately popular sport.
I forgot, she probably doesn’t have any and hence her concentration on a meaningless sex life in geritol-land
Yeah, she’s ugly, but if she’s having sex and enjoying herself, why does she need a bunch of grandchildren to keep her busy?
I don’t have anything substantive to add but I must say that roissy’s race talk – literally one day after I was being called out for saying that PUA was philosophically entangled with race realism – makes me feel like a fucking intellectual PIMP.
ai yai knows nothing of what she speaks. She is the typical woman who thinks a woman’s career is what makes her attractive to men, and that a woman learning ‘Game’ somehow gives her an advantage. A woman in Private Equity is somehow of higher value than a woman who is merely in Consulting. LOL.
Classic gender confusion from an ABCD.
95% of a woman’s appeal is her looks. It is true that an Indian man will choose an 8 that is a Doctor over a 10 who is a housewife, but the Doctor can be no lower than an 8. A Doctor who is a 5 or 6 does not get very far.
An Asian or Indian man who studies Game is only because he does not have connections? LOL.
Read the last part of the 7:26 PM comment. You will learn a lot.
Check out this article in today’s NY Times — it’s actually pretty long, jargon-y, and hard to read but one of the basic premises is that women’s perception of what arouses them does not match what actually physically arouses them.
In other words, women don’t know what they want.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
About the decline of civilizations, an early Roman general said the following:
We must study War, so that our sons may study engineering, so that our grandsons may study poetry.
No word on what he thought the great grandsons would study. But, I think we can guess what usually happens. Barbarian invasions or revolt of the slaves.
My take on Asian men is simple. For centuries they didn’t need to be big and masculine to get wives. They needed family money, brains, and industry. And, the girls needed to be pretty. Darwin’s principles apply.
I’ve read somewhere that we have an innate attraction to those with very different histocompatibility complexes as it gives rise to more robust immune systems in potential offspring. These differ by variation in genome and are more likely to be different in different races I understand.
Apparently I am not in the majority but I far prefer ethnic women of all flavors to Caucasian women, with the caveat that they have to be hot, aka neotenic and feminine. As far as black/mixed women go Beyonce and Tyra are phenomenal. Generally though beauty trumps race all else equal.
Personally I think Roissy doesn’t give Asian gals a fair shake in the ass department. Yes, many are flat, but so are many Caucasian women. I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. Less so in the Northern Asian cultures but exceptions exist throughout.
Histocompatibility complexes and human attraction:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro06/web1/dmarck.html
Formal hockey is expensive, making it out of the reach of a large portion of the black population in the US. Hockey skills require a lot of practice to develop and so not having a lot of ice time and time on task due to money constraints means that a very small portion of black americans ever have the chance to get to a proficient level.
Also, unlike many of the other sports like basketball, football, etc…being successful in hockey is less dependent on fast twitch muscle fibers. Also there is a greater benefit to endurance in hockey than there is in football or basketball. West-africans (i.e. most US black people) tend to have a larger portion of fast twitch muscle fibers and smaller lung capacity than Caucasians. So some of the genetic advantages that blacks have in other sports aren’t as advantageous in hockey. So I think it is unlikely that blacks will become significantly over-represented in the NHL like they are in other sports.
Every race/ethnic group has their peculiar physiological differences.
Blacks tend to have fuller buttocks, short torsos combined with longer legs. Asians tend to have longer torsos with shorter legs and flat asses, both men and women. Stand a black person and an Asian person of the same height next to each other and the black person’s waist line will be higher.
As a big fan of mixed martial arts and boxing I’ve noticed a major difference between blacks and other races. You can see it in fights held at weights other than heavyweight. The fighters will be the same weight (they have to be, to meet weight limits), usually about the same height, and at equal, very high levels of fitness. Nonetheless, black fighter almost always have better muscle definition and an overall fit look than white, Hispanic or Asian fighters. It is for the most part not due to the fact that darker skin makes muscles stand out better. There definitely is a difference.
Peter
“In other words, women don’t know what they want.”
Of course. That is the very mission statement of Game. Beta AFCs listen to what women say they want, do exactly that, and get nowhere.
“I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. ”
YES. Vietnamese women do have quite a surprisingly round ass. Their booty gene is dramatically better than Chinese women.
Taiwanese women also have a better ass than mainland Chinese women. More Western nutrition, I guess.
Indian woman don’t have a good ass. It has mass, but lacks firmness. This is because Indian women don’t do aerobic exercise, and for centuries got away with wearing Sarees, which conceal the entire lower body.
Even Bollywood actresses are rarely seen in pants, prefering Sarees. It is not easy to find a picture Aishwarya Rai with her ass clearly visible in pants (not saree), because her ass actually isn’t that good.
Bullshit.
Aetius destroyed the Huns. Aetius was a Roman (Italian mother, Germanic father) general who rallied Europe to destroy the barbarian hordes of Asia, who were characterized by nomadism and mounted warfare. And at this time, Rome was not in its prime. Care for a retraction?
Charles Martel faced the cream of the crop of Arab cavalry and wiped the floor with them. He didn’t have Roman numbers, either.
Men, not horses, prevailed in the West. And it is Men who will prevail again.
Obsidian – Simply put, Black Men can fuck better than can White, Asian or Hispanic Men, on average, all things being equal.
Based on YOUR experience being fucked by black guys, Asian guys, Latino guys or White guys that is true for you and your White Momma Susan Crain Bakos.
But this idea that any typical black male hood rat or fat ass bloated brotha in a suit with a real job automatically has all this “game” or lovemaking ability is nothing by an attempt by racially insecure black males to build up their threatened egos.
Having game and being a good lover are two completely different things. And thinking you have one or both don’t make it true. I’m seriously thinking a whole hellava lot of people on this site are not only lying about their sexual experiences, I think some of them are virgins or have only had sex with prostitutes or drunks.
Wellmer – Men, not horses, prevailed in the West. And it is Men who will prevail again.
But those men made little men through sexual reproduction. The demographic shifts are undeniable.
Low or no births among indigenous Europeans plus large third world immigration plus high non White births and miscegenation will change European demographics enormously.
I see no plausible arguments to the contrary.
As for warfare remember terrain matters. The M1 A1 tanks works great at 60 miles mph blowing away the enemy miles away. Put it at a checkpoint in an urban area and it loses to a dirtbag with an rpg.
Put Gengis Khans boys in a thick European forest in 1300 and they would be in serious trouble.
Normally this sort of shit from Roissy isn’t called for, but in this lady’s case…yeah, she asked for it.
Tood – “I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. ”
YES. Vietnamese women do have quite a surprisingly round ass. Their booty gene is dramatically better than Chinese women.
This “all Asian women have flat asses” is comparable to the submissive Asian woman stereotype. I think a lot of it is based on Japanese women who were raised on a low fat, low protein diet.
I know some Asian ladies who are from SE Asia or of SE Asian ancestry and they are smallish but can be pretty thick in the booty or at least not skinny or flat. Nobody would confuse them with Serena Williams but still not flat by any means.
The bigger thing with the Asian ladies is the short legs. That’s why so many wear heals even when out shopping at Costco.
“Men all over the world love 0.7 waist-to-hip ratios.”
Wrong.
Absolutely wrong.
You are lying.
http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/figur/figur.htm
That is from beautycheck.com, which I believe, is where you got your source for the beautiful face ideal, way to keep up with your sources.
Only during the Renaissance has the 0.7 hips ratio come into style.
Also it has always been different in other cultures.
For example, why are beauty marks considered beautiful…Moles are tumors, cancer, the opposite of health.
You are disappointing.
Like most people who want to guide others you post things that are true and then slowly slide your own agenda in…that is what I call sleazy.
Good for a laugh though.
David Alexander –
Agree with your take on athletics. Black men can do NPV calculations on how quickly and soon Strahan got paid vs. Michael Phelps, the money comes sooner, and bigger, for football vs. swimming. That’s why Blacks find swimming uninteresting. Not bone/mass density, but rather cost vs. payoff. Simple as that.
Welmer — Crassus or Pompey, I forgot which, was anihillated by the Parthians. Cavalry. Martel fought a last-stand, with himself having all the advantages and the Arab cavalry none. It’s telling that the Arabs ran all over the Spanish Visigoth kingdoms, and for the next 100 years raided at will Southern France. Attila was stopped, not in the East but in the heart of France.
When exposed, no favorable terrain to protect the flanks, cavalry forms the decisive edge to protect the flanks. Martel had ground that could not be flanked.
Willard — the Mongols indeed found that their tremendous compound bows fell apart in Europe’s rainy climate, and their ponies got bogged down in the mud. Which is why Europe was not conquered when so many others were.
Be more pithy.
Thursday: ADHD people tend to be very good in the moment and it is amazing to see this guy make up conversation out of nothing. On the other hand, he lives hand to mouth and his life is a complete mess.
Yup. I’m ADHD and the two parts of game I had to teach myself were how to start conversations and how to end conversations (much harder). I can’t imagine how anyone who isn’t a cyborg can keep track of everything in Mystery method and that stuff.
And even I don’t know how I manage to subsist and everything in my life is a complete mess.
On the other hand, people on the farmer end of things, i.e. nerds, tend to have autism spectrum disorders. These people are far less adept at reading others’ minds, tend not to do well in the moment and therefore often do much less well with women.
If it’s the other end of things then why are autism spectrum disorders and ADHD so commonly comorbid?
646HJH:
I love when the brothas try to lie:
1. “I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.”
—Translation: I’ve slept with less than 25 women, 7 or 8 have been white.
“Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list.”
—Yes, you are the only ones who feel this. Ever.
“Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers.”
—It’s ok for me to say this, because black people are oppressed.
“However speaking for myself and other professional brothers -”
—My job in the mailroom is awesome
” If you were true players, there would be no need to bash this lady.”
—I’m keeping this quote if for when there’s an article about how bad black guys are in bed and how the racial stereotypes aren’t true. Then this sad little brother will hit the roof.
“All you’d need to do would be to point out the flaws in her argument and move on.”
–Major flaw: she can still pull down white men as easily as black. Flaw pointed out: she is a war pig. QED.
“Lest I forget, you guys(Old white america) invented the myth of the super hung, animalistic black man”
—I love black guys who never read Arabian Nights or the myths of Ancient Egypt and India.
“not because it was true but because there was a concern that black men would do what white men had done for centuries – sleep with their women – and lord knows the USA couldn’t have that.”
—Right. Because it goes on so much today as well, can’t you see that?
“You don’t like black women (and I myself am not attracted to most) – FINE.”
—Here’s my direct contradiction of my last statement. Thank you America, good night!
“But this discourse could be on a higher level, without all this unacceptable and laughable race talk….”
—Said the man engaging in race talk. Obama’s preacher, anyone?
“I am sure if that if this was an article by some some teeny asian woman expounding on the pleasures of caucasian men, most of you keyboard jockeys panties would not be in a twist, nor would you be as offensive.”
—Wrong. Sluts who degrade their own race and date another based on stereotypes are headcases to be avoided. They’re ugly, fat, addicted to some kind of substance, and most of all, self-loathing. I no more want to screw some Jew-hating jew or asian-hating asian, because they’re only allowing me to screw them because of some kind of mental disease, not desire.
It’s an added bonus with you black guys, because you are so low-acting on average that if a girl wants you she is clearly a piece of trash.
I do thank brothas like you for one thing: bringing the secret white whores out. Once upon a time, black guy loving girl would have kept it under wraps and married some unsuspecting white guy, all the while ghetto-chasing when he was out of town.
Now, thanks to Hollywood and SWPL mindset of black superior/white inferior, a girl feels liberated and modern when she admits her self-loathing. Then she comes out and is railed on by every desperate brotha (like yourself).
When she finally realizes that, since she’s only dating men based on race, she’s getting the bottom of the barrel, it’s too late: she’s lost her looks, and there’s already far too much proof of her ghetto-loving. Her only hope is to get some really unpicky black guy to have her. So I’m sure you’ll be getting the call from over-35 white girls looking for marriage soon enough. In a sense, you’re doing the whites (and asians and Indians, etc.) a favor by showing us the women far too trashy who had appeared classy.
Whiskey–”Ghenghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the Arab cavalry, would have made mincemeat of the Romans in their prime: Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and so on. Only Alexander would have given them fits. Because only Alexander used cavalry in large amounts. The Romans disdained cavalry and did not fare well against those who used cavalry.”
I really don’t know where you’re getting that idea from, but I think the topography of the situations plays a part. the Romans relied on infantry because they emerged and fought, initially, people like the Sabines and others in rocky areas, infantry was important. Ghengis Khan in Italy, with all technology being the same, would have met his match If Scipio were around; his armies were unprepared for such a war.
Ghengis , of course, would have killed them on the plains and steppes, but that is where cavalry is useful. The Mongols lived on sweeping horse raids; disciplined infantry attack in close quarters don’t work so well on 1000 mile raids.
Hi Willard,
Mustve really struck a raw nerve to get a rise outta you like that, eh? Oh, btw-I just got finished reading the NYT article that was linked in this thread earlier-What Do Women Want? You might be interested to know, that the one Male who embodied all the things MOST desired by Women?
Denzel Washington.
Hmm.
Still waiting for your Field Reports, sir.
Holla back
The Obsidian
Hmm. I see there’s quite a bit of hatin’ and handwringin’ goin’ on here. Seems no one wants to actually argue the positions and points Bakos makes, rather is much more interested in personally attacking her. Ad Hom 101, anyone?
There’s a number of Ladies present in the Forum. Shall we ask them what they think?
Ladies:
On average, who is sexier: Dieon Sanders, or Peyton Manning? Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis? Arsenio Hall, or Jimmy Kimmel? Steve Harvey, or Bobcat Goldthwait? Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman? Matt Damon, or Will Smith? Bruce Jenner, or Ussain Bolt? Michael Jordan, or Larry Bird?
Tiger Woods, or Arnie Palmer? Denzel Washington, or Russell Crowe (keep in mind, that Denzel beat Crowe for the Oscar in 2000 for his excellent perfomance in Training Day-a true feat since Crowe was da bomb in Gladiator)? Wesley Snipes, or Colin Farrell? Forrest Whittaker, or Jack Black? Cuba Gooding Jr, or Tom Cruise? Lenny Bruce, or Richard Pryor? Jerry Seinfeld, or Eddie Murphy? Richard Jenni, or Jamie Foxx?
Also, Ladies-and you can be anonynmous here-who is better in the sack, all things being equal, White or Black guys? Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil.
I also want to deal with a few other points, since there’s this idea that the *only* White Women Brothas can pull are the ones White guys wouldn’t want anyway. Oooookaaaay….
Heidi Klum, anyone? Taye Diggs’ squeeze-cant recall her name-anyone? Quincy Jones has been known to have some hotties in his day, same deal w/Belafonte and Poitier. And Snipes. And that’s just for starters.
I’ve talked about my homie Zam. Well, he has an older brother who graduated near the top of his class at Brown. WHITE AND ASIAN WOMEN LOVE HIM, and no, they ain’t lookin’ nothing like Bakos, they all young and thin, just the way you White boys like em. In fact, he probably done banged more Asian hotties on two continents, since he’s been living in the UK for the past few years, than the vast majority of you dudes will ever see in your lifetime. Zam and his brother were born with the Booty Magnet Gene-and it works on way more than just Sistas.
I have another close friend, who recently got engaged to a statuesque Sista. Before that, as a PhD candidate at Temple U and being Summa Cum Laude at Syracuse, he could pretty much write his own ticket among the Pixie Chicks you White boys love so much. And he did. Quite a bit.
One of my mentors, a musician who’s toured w/some of the biggest names in the business, was having a ball in Europe and Japan. Need a layout why?
Another of my mentors, a strikingly tall and thin Black Man-much like Obama but as dark as Miles Davis-would regularly have White Women Headshrinks throw themselves at him-married and single alike, across all age ranges. He’s a Social Worker w/his own programs running.
And I want to address something else. We all agree that, a Woman’s choices drastically change once social consequences are removed or at least greatly reduced. This notion that White Women don’t go in for “Thug Niggas”? Bury it. I know for a fact they can, and DO. They just don’t want y’all to know about it. Best believe gals from the Hamptons and Martha’s Vineyard wanted some DMX and Tupac and Nelly type action, too. I wonder why…
There’s a very interesting dynamic occuring here. Th very same people who talk a seriously mean game about the free market and competition and conservatism and personal responsibility, and all that are the first ones who want to restrict a Woman’s right to choose who she wants to fuck. I find that interesting.
I’m a Free Marketeer. Let the Ladies choose.
Let’s see what they say, hmm Gentlemen?
The Obsidian
I was going to watch the video, but it said it was for mature audiences only.
Oh, and one last thing.
Someone-presumably a Brotha-posted a link to NYC Chocolate Models, a site that feautres the kinds of Women we Brothas love. I defy any one of you to actually go there and tell me those are some “fat chicks”. There’s another model, actually two, who are Hispanic, Puerto Rican to be exact: Latin Spice, and Scarlett. Look em both up, again, I defy any one of you here to tell me or anyone else that they’re fat. They’re not. They just got the kind of booties most White guys simply cannot handle. Period.
Same deal w/Serena Williams. Anna K., couldn’t hold a candle to dat azz. Literally.
OK, holla back-if you can
The Obsidian
White people do not have bad skin, Northern Europeans have bad skin, especially those who trace their origins to the British Isles. Mediterraneans have much better skin and age more gracefully than their cousins in the north. My mother doesn’t work out or eat well but her skin is tighter and more youthful than the vast majority of Northern European women her age.
euphemism much?
why is friendly fire so friendly? it … it … kills people!
::raises glass::
amen.
in my somewhat limited experience of them, they also smell really good.
smell is sadly neglected on this forum, but in my experience it’s key, especially in long-term relationships. (un)fortunately, the internet doesn’t yet come equipped with olfactory stimulators, so i can’t troll on the daily like peter.
problem is that i don’t usually like asian facial features.
this is why god invented doggy style, grabbing her hair, shoving her face into a pillow, and forcing her to bite it.
my id agrees with you completely, although, as has been established beyond any reasonable doubt, “ladies’ choice” will take us back to the stone age.
say it ain’t so, o!
first of all, i don’t think anyone here is trying to restrict these broads’ choice of one-night stands. rather, they’re trying to call them on their duplicitous bullshit, and, in the case of cheaters and other miscreants, revive the naming and shaming that kept victorian-era women from slutting it up excessively.
ok, i see the point you’re trying to make, but why’d you include “conservatism” in there? the traditional patriarchal family, with all its strictures and reining in of women’s (and men’s) sex drives, is among the most important principles of anything that can reasonably be called “conservatism”.
also, libertarian though you may be (and i as well), i sincerely doubt that either of us is a free-market absolutist.
would you want to see a free market in military service? would you want interstate highways built (or, more likely, not built, because of massive outlays and free-rider problems) in a free market? would you want a truly free labor market, with no labor laws?
i didn’t think so.
i’m largely a libertarian, too, but let’s be real here: at least some minimal degree of regulation is necessary to prevent socially unacceptable externalities.
the sexual market is no different. moreover, the stakes are higher than those of any other market.
thought experiment: let’s say you’ve been married for seven years, with two or three children, and your wife got that infamous seven-year itch.
now wouldn’t you sure as hell want to, in your words, “restrict [your] Woman’s right to choose who she wants to fuck”?
i thought so.
A little ON topic perhaps but I had sex with exactly one black young man and his dick was so small as to be embarrassing. True story.
Me wonders why roissy is so fascinated with older women these days. Tryin’ to tell us something roissy?
Low or no births among indigenous Europeans .
And by the way, let’s do away with the Mark Steynian despair mongering – white birth rates are not zero. There are legions of white children born every day. The birth rates are lower than their peak two generations ago, and presently below replacement, that’s all. But this can change on a dime.
Pat Buchanan, God bless him, is guilty of this too — groaning about how the West is “ageing” and “shriveling.” The man has said and written some great things, but he is addicted to dourness.
plus large third world immigration plus high non White births and miscegenation will change European demographics enormously
Low birth rates alone wouldn’t be a problem. Yes, immigration is the real problem. Birth rates have their normal ebbs and lows, and in a closed system, things would go on just fine.
But when you start importing unassimilable immigrants during a low birth period, you are depriving a nation of regenerating on the upswing. I believe that evil entities like the EU and others are doing this purposely, and that is why they need to be put on trial and hanged for ethnocide.
Miscegenation would be a social problem if it were practiced on a large scale. I’m with those who see it as a very limited phenomenon.
On average, who is sexier: Dieon Sanders, or Peyton Manning?
Why did you say Payton Manning and not Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, Tom Brady, Howie Long, or Brett Favre?
Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis?
Why Bruce Willis and not Robert Downey Jr., George Clooney, or Billy Zane?
Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman?
Why Hoffman and not Cary Grant?
Matt Damon, or Will Smith?
Matt Damon
I think we need to remember that the psychic wound on the black boy in America from being the White man’s pocket bitch for 400 years is pretty deep. I don’t think you can deny that this has a lot to do with the black male’s desperate need for the White woman’s attention and acceptance.
Add to that two other factors. One evolutionary and the other social. As I’ve stated before I think the black male obsession with the White woman is his “ticket out of Africa”. I think that the black male is obsessing on those women – White and Asian – who have evolved outside of Africa and are in a sense farther removed from our Ape-like african ancestors. These women offer the black male a genetic resource the black female cannot.
The other factor is what I call “mama shame”. I think some black males are ashamed of some of the physical traits they see in their black mothers. They may also be disappointed in her as a mother and in her inability to keep the black father around which can been seen by the black male as contributing to his life struggle. This can lead to a strong aversion to women who are in anyway like his mother, i.e. black.
There is one difference that is overwhelming in how White men evaluate black women and how black males evaluate White women: black males have an obsessive need to be positively evaluated and accepted by WHITE women.
White men have close to NO need to be positively evaluated and accepted by black females. The vast majority of White men just don’t give a shit about black females or what black females think about them or their friends or which White male celebrities have been with black females. If anything White men probably have a lower opinion of other White men, friends or celebrities, who are with black females over White women.
On the other hand black males will brag about how many White women they think want them or want their friends or how many black male celebs they have cataloged as having been with White women. It’s a psychological obsession. It’s a deep lingering 400 year generated NEED. It’s comparable to addictive or OCD-like behavior.
A lot of White men don’t understand it and most black males wont even admit it to themselves let alone others.
White men not only don’t brag about being with black women they might actually want to hide the fact from friends and family. White men don’t have the psychic wound that needs to be healed. They don’t see black women as their salvation and ego comforter the way black men see White women.
So not only do White men find black women generally either merely unattractive or disgusting they simply don’t need to be accepted by them. They don’t feel like the black woman’s interest in them is of any emotional, social or psychological value.
For the black male the opposite is true. The black male will never shake off the fact that the northern races – White and Asian – have evolved a phenotype farther away from the prehistoric humans and ape-like humans. The black male’s genetic need for White and Asian women is evidence of that.
The black male will also probably never shake off the fact that he was the White man’s bitch for 400 years. And the psychic wounds of this will naturally lead those mentally crippled black boys into the arms of White females who will show the poor boy that he does have value and meaning and legitimacy. That he’s as good as or better than The White Man if only in the area of “game” and sex. There is some salvation, some redemption in that.
And as long as there are White women, whatever their degree of beauty is, who enjoy being “THE QUEEN OF THE BLACK MAN’S DREAMS” there will be these black male/White female combos.
It’s not surprising at all.
Now Asian males/black females, any time I see that it’s a surprise for a whole host of reasons.
Willard – yes, black guys’ obsession with bedding white women does fit your “ticket out of Africa” point. But why don’t you see black females want the same thing? Presumably this desire would not be gender-specific. Why don’t black women try to get pregnant with white guys, or at least artificially insemnate themselves with white sperm?
J5 said, “the internet doesn’t yet come equipped with olfactory stimulators, so i can’t troll on the daily like peter.”
Perhaps not, but the topic of scent is an interesting one…to me anyway.
I have a few scent recipes that work very well for various purposes. One that I mixed for a friend for his birthday, he says never fails him. Girls get near him and want to snort him like snow.
If you can manage to get ahold of some musk oil made from actual deer clumps, and real humanely harvested ambergris, it’s worth the investment.
Williard said, “These women offer the black male a genetic resource the black female cannot.”
More evidence of the failure of the American public school system.
Did it ever occur to some of you to look things up before you say them?
“Obsidian
Oh, and one last thing.
Someone-presumably a Brotha-posted a link to NYC Chocolate Models, a site that feautres the kinds of Women we Brothas love”
That would have been me Sir Ob.And no,I’m no Brotha’.I’m a bona fide whitey.I was trying to show a few dunderheads hereabouts that ladies of color are amazingly sexy and curvaceous.I defy anyone to tell me those ladies are “fat”and undesirable.Skinny+blonde does not (automatically)=beautiful,though at times it can.
I have a funny feeling that Wboys and Bgirls like each other a tad bit more than either like to let on.
I’m definitely more attracted to Asian women. To be more precise, I think really good looking Japanese girls are about as good as it gets. There’s just something about the eyes and the smile that gets me. As my former CO said, “You’ve been here too long.” Well maybe, but they had to make me leave.
Yellow fever? That would depend on your definition. I’m not one who thinks all Asian women are hot, nor do I think there are no good looking women of other races. There are more plain women than outstanding women in Japan, for sure. For me, it’s more like some guys preferring blondes, or East Europeans, just a preference, but a strong one. I married my wife because she is who she is, not because she’s some Asian woman.
I just can’t get worked up about the whole race thing. Roissy’s probably right, and this woman doesn’t have much choice, so she’s throwing her rationalizations out there as if they were some sort of Declaration of Independence, or some Epiphany. I’m not buying, but if that’s what she needs to validate here choice, or lack of choice, fine.
I wonder if she believes it, or is just lashing out?
J5,
LOL @ your remarks wrt Vietnamese gals. Youse a mess.
Btw, I spent considerable time among Southeast Asian people as I worked among them for some years. Attended many of their social functions, eat food in their homes, you name it. One of my best friends is a guy from Laos, who, incidentally, would challenge you on the 21 Gun Salute Issue, J5.
I can tell anyone that among the Thai, Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian Women I’ve personally seen, the ones w/the consistently better bods, at least on a Black Man’s scale, are the Laotian and Camdodian ones. I’d personally hurt the Vietnamese gals.
I know several Black Men who are married to Cambodian gals, w/kids. They look mighty fine in them blue jeans.
As to your response to my “free market” comments, true I concede you make some good points. Military life and infrstructure among them.
However, I have NEVER, since an incident I had many, many years ago, which burned this into my brain, tried to restrict a Woman’s choice with what she wants to do with her pussy in any way whatsoever. Dave Alex may get on my reserve nerve but even he’s right when it comes to this-I don’t want to try to coerce or cojole a Female who don’t wanna be with me. Period. And besides, as the Victorian era My Secret Life clearely shows, there ain’t a damn thing you can do about your Woman getting tailed by the Next Man if she want it bad enough.
Now, having said that, I do think that if she wants out of a marriage or whatever, she should get her share of stuff and get on-but do I want to force her to be with me? NO.
We can’t play both sides on the fence with this J, and you of all people know this, it’s part of the way we do business. Any true Player knows, that the hottie you was just sexing up today could be in the arms of the sexier, buffer, richer and overall hotter guy tomorrow.
That’s the Game. And it don’t bother me one bit.
Let the Ladies choose. Period.
The Obsidian
Random replies:
Sara-I’m truly sorry you ran accross a Black Dud. Rare, but it does happen. Look at Dave Alex. Your caustic ways are hereby justified. My Best Wishes to you, Madam.
PA- my reasoning for listing the comparisons in the way I did was to get Black and White Men who were contemporaries, with notable exceptions. The Peyton/Dieon question was in response to comments made by Whiskey who suggested that guys like Peyton needed to be looked out for in the Sexual Market. Also, since he’s won a Superbowl, and Dieon’s like the only Man ever to play in both a Superbowl and a World Series, I thought it would make an interesting choice for the Ladies-which, from what I can tell, haven’t responded yet-hmmm…
Willard-I see you’re not terribly up on your American history either. You’re really hittin’ outta ballpark. Four words, my man-Thomas Jefferson, Strom Thurmond. Holla back if you can. And don’t forget about those Field Reports.
Nicole-good points on the Smell Goods.
The Obsidian
This is some racist shit, but hey whatever keeps you happy.
I do understand that a lot of people who read the original article feel threatened… and so you attack black men and of course, white women who date and fuck them.
I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.
Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list. Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers. Other times, pussy is just pussy.
However speaking for myself and other professional brothers – when it comes to choosing a girlfriend or a wife, those of us who prefer the Caucasian persuasion will go out and get the hottest one we can. I’d show pictures but that would annoy some of my friends.
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So much for the whole “black women are attractive thing.”
Just like in some of the last comment threads, some “Brutha” gets up and complains about Raysism and that black wimmenz be as pretty as white wunz, sho’ enuf…” and then goes on and lets us all know how many white babes he nails(or asian ones, etc…).
bds is right, you’re full of shit.
AW,
My bad Man, and good lookin’ on posting up the link. Have you ever checked out Latin Spice and/or Scarlett? They used to be part of the NYCCM thing before it became that and went out and did their own things. MY GOD are they handlin’ or what? They are what I was talkin’ about at the Greek Picnic, Freaknik and Puerto Rican Day Parades here in Philly and up in NYC. Whew!
OK holla
O
Thursday, about the Black women/masculinity thing, as I mentioned before in a comment about female athletes, this perception has alot to do with equating femininity with weakness.
What is beautiful to nature isn’t always what’s considered beautiful in a culture. Culturally, what is perceived as beauty will be what is considered most feminine, even if it is a defect.
For example, absence of any body hair is a defect. This does not stop women however, from removing their body hair, because absence of hair is viewed as more feminine, even though *less* body hair than a male is already feminine enough for nature.
Fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes can be very problematic in a warmer climate, yet the classic 10 or “bombshell” has those traits. In fact, those traits became widespread, it’s believed, due to selection, not just environmental adaptations.
So someone like say, Grace Jones is incredibly beautiful, but she is perceived as too masculine for the average White guy’s tastes. Most men who worship her are either very submissive and prefer a more masculine woman *because* of the masculinity, or very extremely butch, and don’t view her as more than they could easily handle.
In my own experiences, this has also been the case. They guys who try to get with me for commitment, not just sex, are usually submissive or very butch. They’re seldom somewhere in between. Either way, physically, they are all stronger than the average guy.
So one reason for mutual non attraction between the majority if Black women and White males, aside of social programming and the like, could well be the strength differential being less between them. Black women generally have very strong backs, hips, and legs, and I’m sure guys notice that.
…but outside the U.S. there are groups of what Americans would call “White” who are generally very much stronger than the average American Anglo/French+ whatever. So when a Black woman goes abroad, aside of the curiosity factor, she finds herself often being hit on by guys from ethnic groups who could be the match or best any of her Black brothers back home.
I’ve noticed that guys from around Transylvania tend to be taller and very strong looking around the legs and hips. Polish guys often have a firm high ass you could set a beer can on. Some Russian/Uzbeki guys look a bit Asian, but run somewhat taller, and have a slim but shapely “wirey” strong appearance. Finnish guys have some variety, but a good portion of them are sturdy and especially well shaped about the ass and thighs.
So maybe it’s not really White guys we’re as a group not so attracted to. It’s just the average Anglo/Saxon and French types.
I’ve considered building a website featuring European and Asian men Black women would like.
Heheheh…which of you guys wants to be my first cracker of the month?
(joke)
my hottie target acquisition system was temporarily miscalibrated by the glaring contrast with the seacow standing next to her.
So that actually works? I need to befriend some seacows.
For example, absence of any body hair is a defect. This does not stop women however, from removing their body hair
Tragically
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Peter
this post is about tastes, both individual and across groups; as such it is highly unlikely that there can ever be a real ‘answer’. most of the things metioned probably play a role.
there is one aspect that no one has touched on. people’s first experience of the other sex usally comes from a parent. i think a significant part of what men are attracted to, can be summed up as an idealization of their mothers, both physically and personality-wise.
for instance, yellow fever seems to be much more a white guy thing than a black guy thing. and when white guys talk about why they have a particular regard for asian women, it’s usually summed up to some combination of them being petite and demure. these are two words that a black man would probably not use in describing his mother. i think that a lot of black men have somewhat contentious relationships with their mothers, and that dynamic plays itself out in their relationships. so, when a black man dates a white woman, you may hear him talk about how chill she is relative to the black women he’s dated. but perhaps an asian woman would be too chill for his taste, and he may find the stereotype of an asian woman to be boring. this is, of course, conjecture, so don’t think i’m trying to give real weight to any of this.
i do think that a lot of what puts off white guys when it comes to black women is certain perception, both real and imagined, that they are super-bitchy and incredibly aggressive. i imagine that even for those white men who do like black women, they’re approach anxiety is heightened in those situations.
that would be an interesting experiment, to measure levels of anxiety as men approached different ethnic groups of women. would black men have the least anxiety? would asian men approaching black women have the most?
If Asian and Indian men are the opposite of natural “gamers”, then where do Middle-Eastern (Arab, Persian, Turkish) fit in? How well are they suited for “game”? Someone on this site once wrote that Arab men supposedly do well w/ white women. Any other corroborations?
**I’ve considered building a website featuring European and Asian men Black women would like.**
The same as what White women like in men – $$$$$.
The arguments of Ms. Bakos are essentially identical to that of the Asian American Female. Self-serving lies served up on a heaping platter to disguise their disgusting natures. Forgoing continued emigration, the Asian American demographic will cease to exist within 2 generations. It’s a statistical fact. Female led exogenous marriages account for significant proportion of Asian American marriage in total. Over 60% of Korean American women choose to marry white as opposed to only 20% who choose other Korean American men. Two generations of this and they are left with only 4% of their original population (the eurasians are even less likely to marry asians) while the rest are socially and culturally white. Race-traitors, the lot of them.
Wow. that woman is truly hideously ugly. And thanks to the article, you can tell she’s ugly *inside* too.
She was later mugged in Harlem.
http://www.nypress.com/article-18593-harlem-its-a-hard-knock-life.html
Note the contrasting prose:
“Susan Crain Bakos is an older, white, female liberal. A few years ago, she wrote a column announcing that she’d given up on white men and now preferred the company of black men. She wrote that she deliberately chose black men because of the racial difference and because black men not only had “more energy, style and edge” but were also “gentlemen, something which white men no longer are”…
When I hit the concrete with the back of my head and the small of my back, I knew that I was forever changed. I was mugged once before, but it wasn’t personal. No one I actually knew by name had ever raised a hand to me. Born and raised in East St. Louis, Ill., I had nevertheless lived my life — until that night — in a world where men do not hit or shove women…”
Mjaybee, well, I’d like to wish her a warm welcome to my world.
Obsidian, you’re long on assertions and short on evidence and logic.
You’ve just seized on one hypothesis that is somewhat consistent with the evidence, without considering that there are a bunch of other hypothesis *also* consistent with the evidence.
For instance, the disparity in marriage rates might be explained by black men being more attractive than white men. It might also be explained by black women being less attractive than white women. There are a couple of other hypothesis that works there as well.
Most of your other evidence is purely anecdotal as well as biased by your personal environment.
The guys you know who get laid a lot are black. Which is unsurprising, since most of your friends are black guys. It really doesn’t tell us anything useful.
The numbers you quoted aren’t that special for guys their upper thirties or forties who are attractive who make it a point to get laid a lot. I know a couple of guys who are well into their 200:s in their twenties. So again, 500 separate lays doesn’t say that much. Especially not if a large proportion of them are ugly women.
If you wanted to produce some real evidence that black guys get laid more you should have taken up the studies that shows them having much higher STD rates than other groups.
The celebrity stuff is cherry picked, and further complicated that white men mostly aren’t allowed all that attractive roles any more. White guys don’t get to play edgy, strong, attractive men very much anymore, they get to play goofballs and eye candy. Neither of which are all that attractive to women.
Not to mention the whole media bias against strong white males.
For someone harping on about the unimportance of group issues and personal responsibilities it sure seems important to you that black men are more attractive than white men.
Whoa whoa whoa, settle down folks.
It seems we have quite a large number of black folks posting these days: Obsidian, Kthulah, DA, T, abe, chic noir, VK…
Roissy – in the interest of keeping things civil, could we have 2 seperate comment windows?
I suggest one for “white” and one for “colored.”
j/k
If Asian and Indian men are the opposite of natural “gamers”, then where do Middle-Eastern (Arab, Persian, Turkish) fit in? How well are they suited for “game”? Someone on this site once wrote that Arab men supposedly do well w/ white women. Any other corroborations?
We’ve been seeing the bars invaded by African and Middle Eastern Muslim refugees and they usually have worse than zero game. As in, they get rejected, they punch the woman in the face and declare everyone a racist for intervening.
If you believe that a woman out in the nightlife is a worthless whore simply for being out in the nightlife, you’re unlikely to turn into a cool player guy. Not everyone is like that, but the illiterate camel herders we’re importing are certainly like that.
She is unattractive, without question. There are few things more pathetic than women who try to act younger than they are. Getting fucked by different men and thinking that is somehow a mark of sexual desirability is a delusion. The fact is that most men will fuck just about anything. Some will even fuck animals, just to prove the point.
People should age gracefully. Trying to play the sexual game far past your prime is sad and pathetic.
I bet she is constantly drugged up by legal or not so legal substances, whether prescribed or not.
I think it’s more environment than selection. A fair white woman in tropical Africa without modern medicine and facilities would soon become a sunburned, diseased sweaty wretch. I don’t think she’d be attractive at all — more like a pathetic, strange creature. White men dreaded being sent to posts in colonial Africa (19th century) due to the very high rate of death from tropical fevers. They’d just sit around drinking gin and tonics all day to keep the malaria at bay.
On the other hand, before vitamin D was added to food, black children never fared well north of Virginia due to the diminishing sunlight. They’d get rickets and grow up stunted and bow-legged, and were very susceptible to pneumonia from the damp cold.
I’m a fair-skinned white guy with dark blond hair and a red beard, and although I definitely can appreciate the beauty of other races, it does feel a bit strange to be with women who are darker than I am, so I tend to gravitate toward the fair Celtic/Scandinavian types. Not a problem here in the Pacific Northwest — we get little sun and the climate is pretty much the same as where my ancestors came from, so in fact a lot of people like me settled here. Actually, there is so little sunlight here that local hospitals have started programs to ensure that black and African children get sufficient vitamin D. There have been quite a few cases of rickets, especially amongst African immigrants.
Hi JohnF,
It seems like its you who is a bit short on things…ahem.
First off, and Mystery says this in his book (same dale w/Style in his book) that logic means nothing in Game. It is all counterintuitive, because Women operate on a different wavelength than do Men, especially the kind who need-NEED-Game the most. If you want stats, you can start there first.
Second, I have been among the loudest voices in thi venue to discuss the high STD rates in the Black community. Been there, done that.
Third, I didn’t “cherry pick” any evidence. It is there for anyone with eyes to see. Nor is it anything new. Poitier, Belafonte and Obama Sr were having a great time with White Ladies perhaps since before you were even a twinkle in your daddy’ eye.
What *has* changed is the right of Women to actually choose, based on whatever criteria THEY determine, who they wish to associate with. It is truly a Free Sexual Market now, and as we can see, quite a few fellas ain’t too happy about that. None of them happen to look like me. Interesting.
Hollywood is replete with edgy White guys. Wrong there, too.
And yup, I do advocate personal responsibility. What a shame so many others here do not.
Holla back
The Obsidian
I remember somewhere coming across a study of angle of erection by race. The sample size was pathetic (60 or something like that in unequal proportions by group) but the results did seem interesting in light of various pornographic and real life observations echoed here. According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees (i.e., flat against the belly). Given what we know about the bottoms of the women of these racial groups, there is a certain striking symmetry.
Assume for a moment that, as in the film Quest for Fire, doggy style was the standard mating position of our ancestors. In that case, these different erectile orientations make a certain sense. Could a stoneage Asian man even access a typical black woman in this way? Rape, in any case, would certainly be a tricky business.
In this respect, at least, the male and female population of each race might really be made for each other.
I read the article. Just pathetic. Where has her head been all of her life. Up her ass?
Frankly, if this sort of thing had happened to me (And I have been “mugged” by women), I would be way too humilated to write about it. What stupidity on her part.
Well, at least it didn’t get her killed. Blacks kill their crime victims for no apparent rational reason. I recall the murder of a white women some years ago. She went to a black bar to harangue some black guy she knew, I think about money he owed her or something. She hung out with black guys in their part of town.
So, the black guy and his black girl took her and put her into the trunk of her car and drove off with her. The white women kept screaming inside the trunk and kicking the back seat. So, finally, patience at an end, the black guy said to his girl:
I am going to pop that bitch. You wanna watch?
And, pop her he did.
Obsidian,
I am pretty sure you simply don’t have the ability to discuss this issue in any meaningful way. Or anything else for that matter.
Everything about your posts show emotional thinking and no real ability to evaluate things rationally. If that’s the case I might as well be speaking to a small child for all the good it would do either of us.
For instance, you’ve shown no indication that you actually understand what a hypothesis is, or why it matters more to eliminate alternative explanations than to come up with ones that fit.
But just to be sure, have you scored above 110 on an IQ test?
I believe that evil entities like the EU and others are doing this purposely, and that is why they need to be put on trial and hanged for ethnocide.
It’s interesting to note that you’re paranoid about a massive government conspiracy trying to kill ethnic whites, while I’m paranoid about a conspiracy of race realists potentially taking control of the government and media.
Interestingly, had the Soviet Union and its satellite states allowed for emigration of its citizens, I suspect that much of labour woes of Western Europe that required a high immigration (so-called guest workers) in the 1950s and 1960s would have been solved. The downside is that remittances probably would have propped up Communist regimes far longer than what happened in our timeline, and in the case of some countries with overseas territories, some population transferance would have occurred.
importing unassimilable immigrants
Now what’s an unassimilable immigrant? Northeastern Asians, Filipinos, Indians, Arab Christians, “the Muslims”, African Christians, Latin Americans, or Caribbeans? Depending on who one talks to, one could argue that all those groups are assimilable while others would argue that’s impossible even with high IQ. I’m obviously biased, so I’ll refrain from giving an answer for now.
So funny.
Interestingly, had the Soviet Union and its satellite states allowed for emigration of its citizens, I suspect that much of labour woes of Western Europe that required a high immigration (so-called guest workers) in the 1950s and 1960s would have been solved.
Sweden did that with Finns, but they still managed to turn themselves multicultural, just a little later.
BTW the reason why Finland had absolutely no multiculturalism before the 1990s is that Finland was getting border jumpers from Russia. Of course we couldn’t have bad news from the socialist paradise, so the *left* was busy declaring that “political asylum” was just a scam cover for criminals. It’s all nakedly obvious here – the same people who are now busy advocating multiculturalism and destroying the nation-state were those who wanted to join the Soviet Union until the bitter end.
Hi JohnF,
I was wondering how long it would take for you to begin the Ad Hom Assault. Nice to see you didn’t disappoint.
Is my IQ over 110? I have no idea. Never been tested. What I can say though, is that there are some in this forum who have reason to believe that at the very least my potential IQ, based on the bulk of my posts here, suggest that it is higher than the national average, which is about 100 or so.
Additionally, most of the Women I’ve had in my life had documented IQs exceeding 120. Assuming what is said for Black average IQ rates is true-that its about 85 or so-that too would be significant. You are the company you keep, don’t you know.
Brown Sugah’s IQ is over 140. She thinks I’m noting short of a genius. Not bad booty if you can get it.
Now, let’s try this again, shall we? Game is not based on rules in the rational or logical world. Roissy himself has posted numerous times on various aspects of Game that give clear witness to this. Moreover, to the point being discussed in this post, you have not actually addressed my positions. Women now have the right to choose who they want to bed down. When it comes to a hot White guy, and a hot Brotha, take a wild guess who wins.
Does this mean we can have that linear, non-emotive and sans Ad Hom discussion now?
The Obsidian
“According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees.. Could a stoneage Asian man even access a typical black woman in this way? ”
This makes no sense. Of course he could. I can’t even imagine what crazy logistical barriers you are inventing in your head here. Men manually angle their dicks for penetration if they need to.
The study you cite is simply indicating that black dicks are larger, and are pulled down to a lower angle by their own weight. This is easily observable in porn, where circus dicks rarely angle toward the heavens like average-sized erections.
I love race biology discussions that follow after accusing a minister of being unfair to the white man.
““A thug named Mykul—all 6-foot-5-inches and 250 pounds of him—knocked me, a 5-foot-2, 120-pound “grammy” to three, down to the concrete. I was in front of St. Nick’s Pub, at 10:30 on a Monday night this past May, when he stole my handbag, a beautiful green snakeskin bag and all its contents, including more cash than I’d carried in Harlem—ever. People I knew from the pub stood and watched.
Mykul was so sure of his protected status as a thug in the ‘hood that he ambled away cradling my bag in his arm like a football. Amused that he didn’t even have to run, he grinned back at me lying on the pavement. My romance with the ghetto was over; and like every ill-conceived romance built at least partially on illusion, it was destined to end with a bang. I wasn’t expecting a head bang.””
http://www.nypress.com/article-18593-harlem-its-a-hard-knock-life.html
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA.
Thanks for that ESSENTIAL update, mjaybee. Fucking priceless. I’m sure she felt “respected and desired” by all the men who just sat around watching her get her old ass beat down and humiliated by a grinning young buck with that “zest for life”. No one knows how to treat you like a real lady like ghetto thugs.
@ willard
you do the worst roissy impression… ever.
the only thing African Americans hate more than crime is the police
Hahahahahaha! I’m looking for the hint of irony, but just not seeing it!
Obsidian,
I’ve really respected your opinions in the past, and I realize that is largely turning into a black guys versus non-black guys argument on each one trying to save face. Non-black guys don’t want to be told their inferior, less sexy, less masculine than black guys, and black guys don’t want to be degraded as being only able to pull ugly or messed up non-black chicks.
What I am talking about is 2 parted: non-black girls who have “jungle fever,” and girls who happen to date some black guys but really have no preference.
Hedi Klum does not fall into the category of “exclusive black guy dater”–she’s been married to white men before, and dated celebrities of all races. Of course, she is a model, which is nothing more than a high end stripper/prostitute, so her fucked up-ness (have you ever seen her act in public–she is truly an insane woman who is allowed to be insane because she is considered beautiful) is established.
It’s true, she seems to get off on showing off her black/white contrast with Seal—a truly ugly man, btw. But she’s a nutjob in general; I predict their marriage won’t last, merely because of her craziness, and since celebrity marriages fall apart very easily.
And she wouldn’t be dating Seal were he, say, an automechanic. Her litmus test is extreme fame/money, which makes sense as a model, since she’s considered way above a normal 10. (I don’t think she’s very attractive, because, as Roissy points out, models are chosen by gay men to look like teenage boys—whose thin frames show off clothes the best and gay men want to screw the most. But enough air brushing, camera tricks, and societal pressure have annointed her hot by the media.)
As for Idina Mezel (Taye Diggs’ squeeze), its hard to say whether she married him only because she’s got jungle fever or whether they liked each other truly. They acted together for so long before marriage, its likely they just fell in love; true jungle fever girls will cheat on a black guy with any black guy who acts more thuggish. Then again, she’s a jewish girl in showbiz, so there’s any number of ways she may be messed up; however, I would bet they just fell in love young.
Obsidian, if a girl I’m seeing has dated black guys, my only qualifier is: did you date them because they were black, or did you date them because you liked who they were/their game, and they only happened to be black?
If the former, you, as a black man, should get out as well. Jungle fever girls will sleep with any black man who acts “blacker” than you; she isn’t impressed with your game or sex skills, just impressed with how much either measure up to her stereotype of how a black guy should act towards her.
She wants as much black guy as she can handle, not as much as you as she can handle. She also loathes her own race completely: why? Why does she hate herself so much as to believe no man just like her is worthy of her body? That question should send alarm bells ringing off in your head.
I’ve been with asian and indian girls who won’t date their own race or exclusively date mine: I run. Why? Same reason. It wasn’t my game, it wasn’t my sex skills, it was just whatever fucked-up notion of racial stereotypes they had of me. She would be sleeping with any white guy my age who acted “white” enough when my back was turned. Plus, Asian and Indian guys run the gamut of behavior, so throwing a stereotype down doesn’t make any sense.
We non-blacks also get angry at jungle fever because it is much more socially acceptable to have jungle fever than other racial fevers. Look at a movie like “soul plane” where women getting jungle fever is considered humorous and wonderful. Imagine the reverse: a black woman getting white fever or asian fever. Suddenly this becomes a Frontline piece on self-loathing black people and how society has created it.
Obsidian, jungle fever girls are bad news for all men. If a girl is exclusive to her race, I understand that–it’s about gene propagation and keeping her culture going. But beyond that, if she chooses one race and excludes her own, its just messed up.
jaakeli: I don’t give a damn about poor asylum seekers in Finland. I’m talking about the U.S., and trying to see if there is some similarity between Middle-Easterners and Blacks/Latinos. Middle-Easterners, from what I’ve seen, act more macho than Asians or Indians (on top of that, they have a small but significant amount of black ancestry). That would give them somewhat of an advantage, no?
p.s. I love to say it, that Bakos lady got exactlty what she deserved for being so racist in her “black man for sex” article.
One thing I absolutely hate about the PUA community is this ‘number of lays’ competition.
One idiot will say “I got 20 in the last year”, while another will say “I got 25!!”.
Explain how sleeping with 20 different women one time each is better than sleeping 100 times with the same woman, if she is someone you really find attractive?
This ’scorecard’ of one-night stands is pathetic. An empty existence, likely to lead to disease.
Game is best used to find a small number of top-quality women (maybe even just 1), for a rich and happy life.
P.p.S. Also, black guys create problems in this discussion by talking about how much better they are that other races in terms of sexiness, bedroom talent, masculinity, and overall game.
When you start making racial arguments on this subject, you’re going to get smacked down. And incite the opposite racial arguments, which will piss you off more.
Plus, you’re creating your own problem: non-black men will now be pissed if they find out a girl their with dated a black guy, because they’ve heard black guys degrade them as inferior. As a consequence, girls will be much more reluctant to date/sleep with a black men, knowing that non-black men are now much less likely to date/have sex with them should they reveal the truth.
“Middle-Easterners, from what I’ve seen, act more macho than Asians or Indians ”
Some are naturals. They are not steeped in the study of math and science like Indians and Chinese, and the ‘harem’ culture is part of their upbringing, if they are from wealthy families.
But quite a few Middle Eastern men are also Omegas, since they never use deodorant. Their BO repels all people, and places them squarely in Omega status. No one tells them that they smell bad either.
They also have too much body hair, and go bald at a young age, which hurts their market value.
Open Questions-
Is there some element of revenge folded into the pop-consciousness of American white women?
Given that for the most part white men have been free to partake of black and Native women, by force and coercion if necessary, they are restricted to white men? For example, Strom Thurmond had a babymother which was shocking, to me at least. Despite high status and the accompanying desirability to young beautiful belles, he preferred to bang the maid, I wouldn’t. Such incidences might have left a scar on the female psyche and now demands revenge according to current doctrine.
For the Asian-American men, which strategy do you think would engender a higher rate of desirability with your women, continuing to complain, or becoming more aggressive about marrying out? Do you guys find women of other races top-notch marriage material? Despite all the talk on boards like these, most men from Asia I know, especially those from the Indian sub-continent and near east will not put up with what most American men accept in marriage. For sex the matter is completely different.
Also, do you guys agree your average women are less attractive than the average white woman in the mall in, say, Tulsa?
Black people are always their own worst enemies, whether in America, or in Africa.
It may be convenient to blame whites, Asians, etc. but the greatest injustices to Blacks in the modern era are done by other blacks.
What is the fascination black people? They only comprise 12% of the US population and are half the number pure Europeans(using the one drop rule) worldwide. Why all the attention
Now what’s an unassimilable immigrant?
You might recall my Korea illustration from earlier: if I moved to Korea, I would make no impact on that country whatsoever. If I learn Han Gul, adapt myself to the local customs, marry a girl whose father doesn’t mind the interracial thing, and generally act like a nice guy to people around me, I might even be a net asset to that land.
But if one million of my similarly-well behaved Slavic cousins move to Korea with me, we’ll have destroyed a magnificent four-thousand-year-old nation. The Korean elites who facilitated our arrival ought to then be tried and hanged for ethnocide.
A similar thing applies to European countries. They are currently being purposely flooded with people who don’t look European (such as Africans) or look slightly non-European but have an ideology that is hostile to the European civilization, and gets worse with each generation (Arab/Paki Muslims)
It’s a little different with the United States, since we’ve had a black population here since Jamestown. Like Pat Buchanan said, black folk are as American as apple pie.
However – for America to remain America, things need to be similar to what they were up to the 1950s: about 85% white Christians with a solid Anglo-Saxon core, and about 10% westernized black people. Here Westernized = acculturated to Western norms, such as monogamous marriage, respect for the law, good work ethic, etc. Also, a small number of other races, also Westernized, such as Indians / Mestizos, etc.
In such a setting, a steady trickle of immigrants that is carefully calibrated to not upset the country’s ethinc balance, and is not used as a hammer to smach the nation’s dominant culture, is ok.
Rain And:
“This makes no sense. Of course he could. I can’t even imagine what crazy logistical barriers you are inventing in your head here. Men manually angle their dicks for penetration if they need to.”
I was considering the evolutionary possibilities. Imagine that most cases of intercourse take the form of rape — the Quest for Fire scenario I mentioned above. If that were the case then it makes perfect sense that considerations of form, angle of penetration, buttock size and position of vagina would be important. Indeed, one can suppose that, over time, optimal traits would be selected for. Given early human geographic dispersal, it would then be hardly suprising that the relevant variables would become population specific in some measure.
Of course I don’t know whether any of this is true but I find there to be a certain Platonic charm about it.
p.s.: the gravity argument in no way detracts from this evolutionary account but would just be one of several necessary features of the selected trait.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with an asian friend after watching a stereotypical grotesque white male dork-unattractive asian female couple pass by.
Him: “Ever notice how white guys never get the really hot asian chicks?”
Me: “uh yeah, I bet the pretty ones don’t need validation from white dudes or something”
Of course, in reality, asian american hotties actively shut out asian guys, while regularly fucking black/white/hispanic guys. But my buddy didn’t wanna hear that. He wanted to believe that white guys were doing his race a service by purifying them of the uggos, leaving all the pretty ones to the azn guys. Yeah, if you want to believe it – sure.
In the same vein, Obsidian, you should at least to attempt to play nice when dealing with other people’s racial insecurities. Just smile and nod, and let the WP set believe their little lies. “Only the fatties fuck blacks, right?” Sure thing, heres a video of a respectable and good-looking white woman staying true to her race: http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=vowvsBRK57I
On average, who is sexier:
Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis?
Denzel is sexier than pretty much everybody. Although Bruce had a lot of sex appeal in his younger days.
Arsenio Hall, or Jimmy Kimmel?
Arsenio. Or *young* Arsenio, at least. Don’t know how he looks these days.
Steve Harvey, or Bobcat Goldthwait?
Isn’t pretty much every man on the planet sexier than Bobcat Goldthwait? (Not that he doesn’t have charm, but I assume we’re talking strictly sex appeal, here.)
Although to be fair, I don’t find Steve Harvey sexy, either.
Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman?
Mmm, kind of a push.
Matt Damon, or Will Smith?
Will Smith, by a long shot.
Denzel Washington, or Russell Crowe?
Again, Denzel trumps most everyone.
Wesley Snipes, or Colin Farrell?
Wesley, but that might also be because I’ve never seen the great appeal of Farrell.
Forrest Whittaker, or Jack Black?
Kind of a push. Both quirkily attractive, neither all that sexy.
Cuba Gooding Jr, or Tom Cruise?
Cuba, but mainly because I’ve never understood the appeal of Tom Cruise.
Jerry Seinfeld, or Eddie Murphy?
Eddie.
Richard Jenni, or Jamie Foxx?
A young Jeni.
And PA’s alternatives:
Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis? / Why Bruce Willis and not Robert Downey Jr., George Clooney, or Billy Zane?
Good point. Downey & Clooney definitely give Denzel a run for his money in a way that Willis does not.
Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman? / Why Hoffman and not Cary Grant?
Another good point. Cary Grant, without question.
Anonymous: I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.
Also, I’d argue that Denzel’s sex appeal is very white: he’s not the flamboyant, raw-sex appeal heat-seeking missle of Afro-charm the way guys like Deion Sanders or in an extreme case, Dennis Rodman are.
Denzels’ appeal is more about wholesomeness, a classically handsome face, and an earnest intelligence not unlike Kevin Costner or many 1950s white male actors.
Game in itself has no inherent “mandate” to bed lots of Women involved. It is completely up to the practitioner to determine in what way he will use Game to meet his goals. If he wants to use Game to find a wife, by all means he should do that. If he wants to use Game to find 100 one night stands, so long as the Women are willing who can knock it?
As for Women getting with Black Men, so what? Why are White guys so hung up about it? I personally couldn’t care less WHY a Sista chose a White fella. More power to em, is what I say. She has every right to determine who will make the best mate, or lay, for her possible and to act on that choice. Period.
If there is a such thing as a Sexual Marketplace, then it will become very clear that certain people will be, on average, more desirable than others. When it comes to Male Desirability in the USA, in a time where Women can choose w/o fear of reprisal, Black Men have an edge over White Men, all things being equal. If we’re talking about Roissy vs Dave Alex, all bets are off, Roissy wins. But if we do a more apples to apples comparison so to speak, the Brotha tends to win out.
Let me say while im on this point, that I think Roissy should take some of those Sistas who’ve been giving him the eye up on a date and lay as many as he can, so as to be a better informed voice on these matters. Getting it on w/only one Black Woman does not an expert on the matter make. Plus, he should take full advantage of his unique position as a White boy who Sistas actually like.
The Obsidian
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To be more precise, I think really good looking Japanese girls are about as good as it gets.
Oddly enough, I’ve thought that since I was a tiny bordering-on-albino girl-child. I would’ve traded my blonde hair, blue eyes & rosy cheeks in a heartbeat.
PA: Anonymous: I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.
Yeah, he doesn’t do it for me personally, but he’s definitely a major draw. (He relies too heavily on the boyish-charm thing for my tastes.)
Denzels’ appeal is more about wholesomeness, a classically handsome face, and an earnest intelligence not unlike Kevin Costner or many 1950s white male actors.
(Oh, yeah — I forgot to note above that I didn’t include the sports guys because I don’t know who they are. I mean, I know the names, but I couldn’t match faces to them without looking them up, and I don’t think photos alone make for a fair assessment.)
And I can’t agree entirely about Denzel. Yes, his primary stock-in-trade is the handsome, earnest intelligence thing, but what sets Denzel apart from the others you mentioned is a sense of there being something incredibly powerful underneath all that — something he’s holding in check & has completely in control, but an undercurrent of power nonetheless. He has a visceral appeal that Kevin Costner only *wishes* he ever had.
As for Women getting with Black Men, so what? Why are White guys so hung up about it?
That’s an interesting question. Why is that so? One likely answer, “because they’re stealing our women” doesn’t hold up because the numbers of middle class white women who sleep with black guys is tiny, and white guys make up for that loss with Asian women in any case.
Also – if it were about the “scarce resource being plundered,” you’d expect older married men with daughters to not care about interracial dating. Hey, more guys for Princess to choose from!
And yet, it’s with regards to one’s daughter that non-black men are most opposed to interracial dating. Important: notice I said “non-black,” not just “white” as in my observation Asian and Hispanics fathers have similar objections to their daughters dating blacks.
I’m not saying this to antagonize Obsidian. Hell, he’s among my top five favorite commenters here and a guy I feel I’d get along with real well. Instead, I’m saying this because since we’ve got this freewheeling conversation and questions are being asked, I want to offer my own answer to O’s question:
The reason that white (and Asian, and Latin) guys so hung up about it is because with the strong physical difference between black and non-black people, and the tendency of the African phenotype to dominate in a mixed offspring, people don’t want to see their line — their immediate family or their ethnic or racial group more broadly speaking — to cease looking like they and all of their ancestors up to now had looked.
In other words, they are objectng to their own oblivion.
“According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees (i.e., flat against the belly).”
Mine’s at 90 degrees. Perhaps that explains the yellow fever I sometimes get when I travel abroad for work – my dick thinks it’s Chinese!
Someone commented on the weight of it holding it down for blacks because they are supposedly bigger. I’ve never tried but I could probably hang a coat on my erect wiener and it’d still be at 90 degrees.
Someone else commented on whether 90 degrees could allow someone to bone a black woman or do doggy. I can tell you that you can!
“Also, do you guys agree your average women are less attractive than the average white woman in the mall in, say, Tulsa?”
No. Absolutely not. If this was true, you would not see so many white men with Asian women.
A sizable percentage of white women are overweight. Very few East Asian women are. In Taiwan, virtually all the young women are at least average looking. No Ugs.
Also, Indian and Chinese women don’t get wrinkles until a decade or more later than white women do.
The freckles that a white woman has on her upper chest are a turn-off as well.
White women (who are not fat) have a better ass than Indian and Chinese women. White women spend more money at the beauty salon too. But that is about it.
jaakeli: I don’t give a damn about poor asylum seekers in Finland. I’m talking about the U.S.,
You said that you’re interested in Middle Easterners, so fuck you if you don’t want to hear about Middle Easterners.
Middle Easterners of course come in extreme variety, from camel herders who beat or kill their daughters and sisters for talking to strange men to the decadent elites. The former, when transplanted to Western societies, do not develop game. ever. The paranoia about female sexuality and the ruthless treatment of women who fail the madonna image is the planet’s most extreme manifestation of the “nice” guy madonna/whore pedestalization complex that dooms aspiring manwhores.
That kind of thing may eventually transform into a thug minority culture, but thuggishness is not game any more than being a fireman or a rich dude is game even though some women chase that.
Picking up on Anon Lady’s point wrt Denzel (thanks for responding! Waiting for the rest of the Ladies of the Forum to jump in…), and this dovetails w/Roissy’s point above…
There is something to be said for coming on too strong as a Brotha, especially when it comes to White Women or a certain stripe or type. Subtlety is the key, and that has always been a challenge for me. That’s why I chose to study Aikido over something like, say, Tae Kwon Do. And here I can see how MM is helping me to temper that “Beastly” thing about a good bit, w/notable results.
Hate to say it like this, but simply put, Women in general, certain types of White Women especially, get scared off easily by too strong a show of Alphaness. Gotta rope em in slowly and in a subtle fashion, and hence again I can see why Denzel has such near-universal appeal, same deal w/a Will Smith and of course, a Barack Obama or a Sidney Poitier. Its kinda like having a V12 Astin Martin, its not necessary to go roaring down every street to show what you got. If that makes sense. It does to me now.
It even works on Sistas, who are indeed more in your face and aggressive/assertive on average than their White sisters. All Women respond to subtle cues, the inferred, rather than the blatant. Hmm.
Levi, I hear what you’re saying but this is a venue where we let it all hang out, and my White Brothers shouldn’t get mad if they hear something they don’t like. They should either come correct with a better/stronger argument, or, leave. That’s what I would do.
The Obsidian
Once again, for a man :
Height trumps Race
Wealth trumps Height
Game trumps all.
And Game is the one thing that a man can diligently work on. However, it is extremely hard to always have good game vs. just sporadic practice of game. I don’t think even Roissy is ‘alpha’ in all situations.
Tood,
Word to the Mutha.
The Obsidian
“with the strong physical difference between black and non-black people, and the tendency of the African phenotype to dominate in a mixed offspring, ”
Yes, this is an important point.
Barack Obama, Halle Berry, and Tiger Woods are all considered ‘black’, even though they are just 50% (or slightly less) black. Jeremiah Wright is probably just 30-40% black (despite his convenient adoption of the more profitable black identity).
It is not that the phenotype is stronger, it is just that black people’s skin and hair is so different from that of any other race, that even the half-way point is a substantial departure. Only if a person is down to 25% black is the black ancestry visibly diluted out, and even then, the hair will be curly. You have to get down to 1/8th black to make the hair straight.
All non-black people reside among a relatively narrow band of skin color and hair texture. Indians are still Caucasians, but just brown. Their nose, eyes, lips, and hair texture are the same as whites. East Asians differ from whites only in facial features and the relatively minor areas of height and female ass-shape. People who are half-white/half Asian (Dean Cain, Keanu Reeves) don’t really stand out.
This is because all non-Africans are descended from about 70 people who left Ethiopia 100,000 years ago. So all non-blacks are relatively similar, genetically.
Most blacks are not Ethiopian (who have narrow lips and noses). That is why they are different from ALL non-blacks.
tood, you’re probably right, but i think a better way of looking at it is:
height augments game
race augments game
wealth augments game
game is necessary for all three though
Sir Ob,my friend, I’m not familiar with Latin Spice but Scarlett is truly a wonder!I said it before and I’ll say it again, women of color are amazingly sexy.
May I politely disagree with you Sir on a contention that is perturbing this most worthy site/thread?It concerns the matter of whether Black men are inherently more desirable than White men.
Without going into too much detail,both you and your detractors are overlooking an important factor.That factor has to do with numbers.
In order to illustrate my point allow me to use some notional figures.
Suppose,for the sake of argument,White women outnumber Black men at a ratio of about 10 to 1.And lets say that approximately 1 female Whitey out of 10 has a “thing” for the Brothers.Never mind if that sounds too high or too low.Its not important;only keep in mind that some Whiteys have “the fever” and some dont.
Now if we plug those numbers in that yields 1 White ho’ for every single Brotha’.Not bad!
But wait.Not all the Brothers are equally sought after by these White ho’s.Sticking to our notional figures,lets assume that about half of the Brothers are objects of White ho’s lust.If we maintain the same ratios above, that gives us 2 White ho’s per Brother who’s “got it goin’ on.”Better still!
Let us visualize this for a moment.One Black dude with 2 White ho’s,one on each of his arms;lets say one blonde and one redhead.Make of that vision a symbol of Africa’s sexual potency.
From that symbol you might be led to conclude that Black dudes are twice as desirable than White dudes.But you would be mistaken,for,the APPARENT doubling of sexual value is a mere false impression which fails to take into consideration the even greater disparity in overall numbers between the races.
Understand that in virtually every context within which Black dudes are fucking White sluts is taking place in societies that are majority White.Black studs are pullin’ in a lot of White ass because there’s a lot of White ass to pull in.That is all.
So,if we were to double the number of Black men in White society,we would not double the number of White sluts bangin’ Bro’s.Quite the contrary,we would diminish the number of White sluts each Bro would get to bang.
Now let us briefly examine the matter from a different angle.Lets say your three buddies,Zam,Dave,and Rick,come to you with tales of White ho conquests.
Zam tells you about the White slut that gave him a blow job in the parking lot outside of a club.Dave relates of the White slut who sucked him off in her dorm room at college.And Rick relays his adventure in a motel room with a White slut he had only recently met at the check-out line at the local supermarket.
That totals three White sluts,yes?
No,not necessarily.Do you know why?It is elementary my dear Watson;you see the slut at the club ,and the slut in the dorm, and the slut at the motel are all three THE SAME LIL’ OL’ SLUT!Quite a gal this little slut,isnt she!
Instead of three White sluts giving one b.j. apiece,we have one White super-slut giving three b.j.’s-and goodness knows how many others.
The moral of the story?The same as above;impressions are misleading.If those three assignations somehow symbolized all the interracial sex happening in a given time-frame ,we might be led to overestimate,by a factor of 300%,the number of White sluts participating therein.
Or in other words;multiple blow jobs is not the same as multiple blow job-ers.
This is all wrong signing off.Until next time.PEACE……
roissy:
Your opinion isn’t fact.
Tood:
Dental care isn’t so good in Japan, I think it has something to do with cultural reasons. Celebrities, models etc. almost always have good teeth though. I don’t recall ever seeing South Korean women with bad teeth.
Despite watching all the porn on the Internet, I have never, ever seen a black woman who I would consider beautiful. There are some “hot” ones, but even they are exceedingly rare.
Days of Broken Arrows:
Oh look, yet another entirely new definition of “beta.”
Willard Libby:
People like to lump all of Asia together into one group. I’m not sure about other Asians, but Japanese women do indeed have consistently unimpressive asses. On the bright side, they have the best breasts in the world.
AAM:
I wasn’t aware that one has to be “loyal” to one’s race. Is this some kind of new UN resolution that I have not heard about?
I’m white and overwhelmingly attracted to Asians (mainly Japanese and Koreans). I don’t think I would even want to be in a relationship with a non-Asian.
The quality of an Asian woman’s ass improves as one goes down ’south’ on the Pacific ‘Rim’.
Japanese < Korean < Chinese < Taiwanese < Viet/Filipino
Of course, being raised in the West can improve a Chinese woman’s ass. Korean/Japanese – not so much.
Given all the hate to black women here, I have to announce that I’m usually more attracted to African women than South Asians ie. caucasoids of the same colour and DEFINITELY more attracted to the average black woman than the average East Asian.
Usually it’s all swamped by my overwhelming preference for pale skin and long hair, but I don’t see where the dislike on African facial features comes from.
And I’m usually more attracted to West Africans than East Africans which also seems to be unusual.
All else being equal, men prefer women who are paler than them and women prefer men who are darker than them.
Which doesn’t mean that midnight-black men and porcelain-pale princesses are at the summit of sexual appeal. Eva Mendes was at the top of the recent Askmen rankings of the Top 100 hottest women worldwide, and in terms of shading she probably represents the coloration attractive to the greatest number of American men.
Steve Harvey, being fairly light-skinned, would likely outpull a doppelganger who was colored like the late Bernie Mac. He’s closer to the skin-tone average.
I’m fairly impartial to skin color. Historically I’m more attracted to dark-skinned Bangladeshi women than flaxen Swedes. A lot of that has to do with culture and physical dimensions rather than coloring, though.
I submit Tongan men and women as residing at the summit of amortized “racial” attractiveness.
PA –
Let’s be honest. White birth rates are below replacement rates, in fact half. For example, Italy and Spain have TFRs of 1.1 or so. That means that every generation will be half the one before. Italy and Spain will get smaller in native populations every year. In about fifty years, there will be no more Italians. Or Russians. Or native Spaniards. Only Muslims will live in those places.
Even in a closed system, falling birthrates means collapse of wealth, since the greatest capital is human capital. Japan’s experience is pretty telling.
Willard — I don’t think Black males as a group behave much more different than White British underclass men. It’s the same phenomena, single motherhood. I would also object on historical grounds on “European Superiority” as innately racial — Europe during the Dark Ages or pre-Roman was not very different from it’s African (including sub-Saharan) counterparts. European prosperity based on male cooperation is a recent (post 900 AD) feature resulting from Judeo-Christian monogamy, Roman law legacy, and small holding suppression of “Big Men.”
Culture matters. A whole lot. People forget that non-Roman Europe was a nasty tribal mess, only with lots of snow, and the Vikings were not that different from say, the Bantu or Zulus, except for their marvelous, fantastic boats and seamanship. Guys like Eric Bloodaxe or Harald Bluetooth would be quite at home hanging out with Idi Amin. The idea of Europe we have is recent development, with the same genetic stock.
Grace Jones, the Williams Sisters, look like NFL linebackers. Meanwhile, Maria Sharapova has tons of commercials because she’s pretty. Black women certainly CAN be pretty, but the current crop of Athletes on display are not it. Even within “pretty” White female swimmers, say Amanda Beard is cuter and more feminine and attractive than say Dara Torres, the Roid Wonder.
Lance — “super bitchy and aggressive” describes female characters on TV guys lust after: Eliza Dushku, Andrea Parker (uber bitchy and aggressive), Yvonne Strahowski on “Chuck.” Pretty much most of the babes on Battlestar Galactica. The idea being that they get “tamed” in bed. The male response to that psychological construction means it’s not the attitude, rather the physique or physical.
Obsidian — Hollywood has no real strong White leading men, absent Russel Crowe. That’s it. Vs. Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Jaime Fox, etc. Hollywood does not like traditional strong White leading men, not surprising given it’s domination by gays and women in most of the creative process.
I don’t think Black or White guys are inferior or superior, just very culturally different. Mostly due to single motherhood. THAT is the big marker. There is also of course the cultural shift in Black women for thugs as denoted by T AKA Ricky Raw.
PA — agreed completely on immigration. Also on the oblivion. Obama is of course all “Black” and the line of his mother effectively dead. It’s the way it works excepting guys like Tiger Woods.
“I HOPE you are right, and that an Obama presidency isn’t going to push a bunch of SWPL women into the arms of black men looking for “change”.”
Why, for god’s sake? Who would want to stick their vein missile in a nasal, recycling, graceless, SWPL female anyhow? They’re a bunch of fussy crypto-lesbians; if black men fall into their clutches, I pity the brothers. Gimme a hot blooded Eritrean girl with a soul over some flaccid, sweatshirt wearing, marathon running white goblin with a masters degree. *barfs*
I’m surprised people didn’t make more noise about asian women with white men: as I pointed out when this originally came up, it’s pretty much the same dynamic. While I’d love to pull a Mu, and brag that them hot china dolls are after my cheese eating ass because all we hairy honkeys are hung like yaks and are better at X,Y and Z compared to Asian dudes, the fact of the matter is, most Asian women are porking me to get even with their daddies for not buying them a pony. In some cases, it’s literally true. I’ve also been involved with a couple of *married* Asian women who pretty much saw me as a sort of barnyard animal they could use as a scratching post for a while, and to get even with their husbands. They weren’t exactly cream of the crop psychologically, though most white men would have thought they won the lottery, physically. This effect is less true in America, but it’s *very* obvious as a round-eye visiting Asian countries. In Korea, for example, an unmarried woman of 23 who has slept with more than one man is considered as much an over the hill slut by Koreans as the creature Bakos is to Americans with functioning eyeballs. As such, they’re social outcasts. Of course they go for white dudes; compared to white women, they’re young, hot, charming, and relatively unsoiled, so the white guys are happy to get them. Plus, white guys are high status and rich compared to the kind of Korean dude these women could get, who are usually going to be drunk ne’er do wells.
Also, Roissy, you are a cruel man for making me watch that shambling orc touching dildoes. I mean, this woman should be knitting sweaters in a retirement home; the idea of anything peen-like entering her cavernous stink hole gives me castration anxiety.
Whiskey, Weimer: the Huns success was largely due to their mobility and skill with the bow from horseback (Arabs didn’t use bow from horseback). Westerners military success has generally been from the use of some variety of armored phalanx combat. There have been exceptions; Alexander did use cavalry (though in a much different way from the Mongols or Huns). Belisarius used cavalry much like the Huns did. Downside to Hun-like combat is you need a nomadic lifestyle to support and train the troops, otherwise the time it takes to develop “arrow from horseback” skills is measured in decades. That’s why Hunnic or Mongol empires never last. The logistics and training of phalanx warfare is much easier to manage. FWIIW, there is an amazing and mostly untold story of a Roman legion captured by the Parthians, then captured on the Parthian border with China. The Chinese used them and their descendants as armored shock troops for over 100 years. Supposedly, the graveyard, complete with Latin names can still be viewed in China.
Cleanliness is next to Godliness … especially when it comes to the GNP. Rub-a-dub-dub!
Peter
PA – Willard- yes, black guys’ obsession with bedding white women does fit your “ticket out of Africa” point. But why don’t you see black females want the same thing? Presumably this desire would not be gender-specific. Why don’t black women try to get pregnant with white guys, or at least artificially insemnate themselves with white sperm?
Some do. Such as these two here.
But as I’ve said REPEATEDLY it doesn’t matter what black women WANT, it’s what they’re gonna get. And the fact is most White men don’t want them AT ALL so black women aint gonna get them or their sperm.
Men have a choice in this matter and black women are on average at the bottom of the list of most male preferences, regardless of the race of the male.
White women are at THE TOP of almost all male preferences for women based on race.
Now when explaining the likes of Strom Thurmond and the stereotypical White plantation owners, my guess is back then the White women were more chaste and sexually restrained. Combine that with the fact that many black females wanted to be inseminated by White men, especially higher status males because they wanted lighter, less negroid babies and they also wanted the protection and benefits of having a child by a White man.
Remember in ALL of American history from slave times, Jim Crow up to today the main threat to rape and sexual abuse a black woman has been a black MALE.
The black females wanted White men to protect them from black boys who wouldn’t take no for an answer.
I don’t know that black male slaves needed a lot of “game” to have sex with a black female slave. Who was there to protect her other than the White owner?
No doubt many black females made every effort to get those White men. But today with all the loose White women and Asian women it takes a lot of female “game” to get a White man interested in a black female.
White men just don’t care. On the other hand the black males is endlessly obsessed with the White woman.
Obsidian – Willard-I see you’re not terribly up on your American history either. You’re really hittin’ outta ballpark.
I know a lot about American history and world history. And I think I hit it out of the ballpark. Grandslam.
“Women now have the right to choose who they want to bed down. When it comes to a hot White guy, and a hot Brotha, take a wild guess who wins.”
If she’s white, 75% of the time the white guy will win…now look, in NYC I see a decent amount of attractive white women with black guys. Lately, I even see some with Asian guys! But the vast, vast majority of black guys are with black women.
Women like to experiment with different races dating wise, when it comes time for long term they like to stay within their race. The vast majority of NBA and NFL stars marry black women. Now of course, a white women who regularly fucks black men is branded, rightfully, as loose and reckless, and not suitable for a long-term relationship. Now of course, you don’t always know what your girl’s done in the past, which makes it important nowadays to (1) date younger women who have had less chance to slut around and get STD’s and (2) be smart and vigorous in finding out, subtlely about your girl’s background and friendships.
I will say this – if a girl dated blacks but not in a whorish way and it wasn’t “because” they were black, but that she liked them as people, I’d have no problem with it.
Hate to say it like this, but simply put, Women in general, certain types of White Women especially, get scared off easily by too strong a show of Alphaness. Gotta rope em in slowly and in a subtle fashion…
I realize I don’t speak for the majority of women, not by a long shot, but I have another spin on this: some of us respect a man’s ability to maintain control over his Alphaness (or whatever you want to call it.) A man who possesses power that he’s unable to control doesn’t deserve my respect. And without respect, there’s not even a ghost of a chance that sex will ever enter the picture.
I can see why Denzel has such near-universal appeal, same deal w/a Will Smith and of course, a Barack Obama or a Sidney Poitier.
Totally agree re: Will Smith. Sidney Poitier…not so much, but that might be generational. Despite his relative youth, I don’t see Obama as having any sex appeal whatsoever, though. Which, frankly, is how I want my world leaders: focused on doing their jobs, not fucking around. I want a big ol’ disembodied brain in a glass dome working on things, a la Star Trek.
Its kinda like having a V12 Astin Martin, its not necessary to go roaring down every street to show what you got. If that makes sense.
YES. And possibly not all that coincidentally, it bears some resemblance to underlying principles of many martial arts.
tokyo, I’ll concede on the average Japanese girl. Maybe. Mrs D has better teeth than I do, probably a case of natural fluoride in the well water. She is by far the best I’ve ever seen, no cavities until adulthood. Averages bury specifics, but I never dated an average.
Mrs D doesn’t have your average Japanese hips, either. Before kids, she had the tiniest waist I had ever seen on a woman. She is still exceptional.
Specific examples don’t confirm or refute averages. I’ve always gone for individuals, or not as the case may have been, so the whole race thing falls apart. That’s why I don’t take offense at the comments. I’m me, not some average white guy. I guess I’d be a race traitor, but then the Irish half used to be considered not white not that many generations ago, so maybe my dad started it and I’m just carrying on with family tradition.
If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.
At the opposite end of the spectrum : John McCain. He got a woman 17 years younger, wealthy, and hot. He is the most Alpha man in this group.
GWB also married well : Laura Welch was a schoolteacher with a heart of gold. As first lady, she was dignified and loveable.
Bill Clinton married ‘well’ to the extent that his wife is really his roommate, and permits him to have affairs. She also made most of the family’s money before 1992.
John Kerry is a gigolo. He married a woman 5 years older than him who didn’t even take his last name.
The deepest love of all, however, was Nancy Reagan’s love for Ronald.
Uhhhhh…. to Willard….
Ever BEEN to the South???? Born and bred baby, and most black women weren’t willing participants. That’s commonly known amongst anyone with family there before the 60’s. And with segregation, intimidation, etc… most black women weren’t allowed to say “rape”. Mullattos/quadroons/creoles, etc… Will Smith ain’t that color for nothing, and his ancestors are from Africa. There’s even a theory of thought that along with social benefits to marrying/dating/sleeping with white women, part of the reason that black men are so eager to sleep with white women is due to the degredation of black women from slavery. Also, I heard about that story with the marine(?) officer being killed with his black wife. I’ve heard from several black (women) friends that the black male community is VERY harsh about black women dating white men.
– Original Grace.
In about fifty years, there will be no more Italians. Or Russians. Or native Spaniards.
Fallacy of uninterrupted trends. Despair serves no good purpose.
Only Muslims will live in those places.
If Muslims / non-Europeans are asked to leave, then they won’t inherit Spain or Italy. It’s not like it wasn’t done before.
Even in a closed system, falling birthrates means collapse of wealth, since the greatest capital is human capital.
Fuck wealth, if wealth means my death. I’d rather have my country collapse due to low birth rates and then the next generation can pick up and build it anew, than to be wiped out forever.
Steve Harvey, being fairly light-skinned
That’s funny. Where I’m from, Steve Harvey is “dark”.
But if one million of my similarly-well behaved Slavic cousins move to Korea with me, we’ll have destroyed a magnificent four-thousand-year-old nation. The Korean elites who facilitated our arrival ought to then be tried and hanged for ethnocide.
Somehow, I don’t see it that way. Haiti currently has a population of 8.5 Million people. If 2 million Poles were to move to Haiti over a twenty year period, I fail to see how that would destroy 200 years of Haitian culture. There would still be plenty of Haitians engaging in various Haitian cultural practices and speaking Creole. The only difference is that there’s another group in Haiti practicing their culture with no effect on how Haitians live. I fail to see how 2 million Poles or Koreans will destroy Haiti.
An interesting example could be used in the case of Israel. The return of the Jewish diaspora to Israel didn’t magically make the local area Arabs who stuck around after the 1948 War into Jews who spoke Hebrew. They continue to speak Arabic, practice Islam, and maintain their customs.
If Arab Muslims move into Poland, and Poles magically convert to Islam en masse and speak Arabic, the problem isn’t the presence of Muslims, but one should ask why Poles have given up their culture for that of another, and then one may find answer to the question that you’re looking for.
Fuck wealth, if wealth means my death.
Wealth is everything, PA. Even with small numbers, wealth can bring power and influence, hence the stereotypes about Jews having power. Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.
Also, a small number of other races, also Westernized, such as Indians / Mestizos, etc.
PA: Czy możemy uczynić je białe?
Well, what constitutes Westernized? Haiti’s a dirt poor nation by global standards, but its citizens speak an Indo-European based language, practice Catholicism, and wear Western clothes. Are we “Westerners”? And if we are “Westerners”, does this imply that we can make everybody Western?
Obama is of course all “Black” and the line of his mother effectively dead.
So in other words, if I have kids with a white woman, are my kids magically black with no white ancestors? Do I tell my kids that mommy and her family doesn’t count? As far as I’m concerned, my kids will be Haitian and French and whatever ancestry my wife has. So if my kids are half-Polish, we’re going to visit Poland AND Haiti, and they’ll learn about both cultures.
“The arguments of Ms. Bakos are essentially identical to that of the Asian American Female. Self-serving lies served up on a heaping platter to disguise their disgusting natures. Forgoing continued emigration, the Asian American demographic will cease to exist within 2 generations. It’s a statistical fact. Female led exogenous marriages account for significant proportion of Asian American marriage in total. Over 60% of Korean American women choose to marry white as opposed to only 20% who choose other Korean American men. Two generations of this and they are left with only 4% of their original population (the eurasians are even less likely to marry asians) while the rest are socially and culturally white. Race-traitors, the lot of them.
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While I agree entirely with your argument and have viewed the same data that you have, let me give you the flip side to this coin, if it makes you feel better. These women are indeed race-traitors, but in the end, from a global perspective, these traitors end up giving the asian an advantage, as they dilute the white population. Combine that with steady immigration, and I would ask you to maintain perspective over this situation. The Wasian female offsprings usually assimilate allright, but I honestly doubt that the families they come from are above TPR. And while they probably will also end up marrying whites, again I doubt that these are huge families. Also, the males tend to have more difficulty assimilating, which may lead them to asian women, perhaps thanks to their partially white features. Nevertheless, that means any child from the offspring is usually asian.
@Tood
Michelle Obama isn’t particularly attractive, but I don’t think Barack did too badly. She’s an intellectual equal, a mother to two cute kids, and was instrumental in advancing his political career. By all appearances they still have a romantic spark going.
Plus, men with daughters tend to have wives who are strongly attracted to them. Dunno why.
As far as McCain goes, at his advanced age he still has a certain amount of rakish charm (and did to greater extent before the disappointments of 2000). Kind of a Strom Thurmond type.
If 2 million Poles were to move to Haiti over a twenty year period, I fail to see how that would destroy 200 years of Haitian culture.
Four possible scenarios: 1) they would more or less ignore each other and do their own thing; 2) then would intermarry and a few generations later there would be more lighter-skinned black Haitians around but otherwise no trace of any Polish-looking people; 3) the Poles would try to dominate things politically and you’d have somethign similar to Apartheit; 4) the Haitians would try to dominate things politically and you’d have something similar to Zimbabwe. (Didn’t there used to be French people in Haiti?)
Hey, to give you credit, if anyone ever made me think of Haiti more than just some godforsaken half-island, it’s you, and that’s a cool thing. But I honestly don’t understand why you are such a fan of mixing people. Let Poles visit Haiti as tourists and then go home, and then Haitians can visit Poland as tourists and then also go home. This way, good feelings are fostered. Good fences make good neighbors.
On a related note, you might know this: Napoleon drafted a large contingent of Polish mercenaries to put down a slave rebellion in Haiti, from what I recall reading, most died of malaria pretty much just as they came ashore, and most of the others deserted/mutinied, and stayed in the country.
As I recall, many intermarried into the black Haitian population, and there are Haitians around today with Polish-sounding last names. Is this sometign you’ve come across there?
If Arab Muslims move into Poland, and Poles magically convert to Islam en masse and speak Arabic, the problem isn’t the presence of Muslims, but one should ask why Poles have given up their culture for that of another
That’s a strawman. Poland has been under 123 years of Prussian and Russian rule during the 19th century, and both empires tried really hard to germanize (Kulturkampf) and russify their respective Polish subjects. It didn’t work.
The problem that happens with today’s Arab/Somali/Paki settling of Europe is that western Europe’s native elites first of all aren’t giving their citizen a choice in the matter. Secondly, they criminalize any kind of depate, or resistance to this foreign cultural invasion. In other words, those elites have turned advanced, beautiful countries, into places of hatred and violence.
Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.
Honestly, I believe that’ sexactly what the Left is doing. As you may recall, American eugenics movement was very much a Progressive thing. Margaret Sanger et al. Why do you think SWPL are so obsessed with their own IQ while denying it exists inthe context of othr races?
In the purest sense of the term, today’s hard-left liberals are the real white supremacists.
But I say to hell with that! For one, even if I make the 125 cut, what kind of a life is it, being rootless, countryless, despised, and hating of every alien face you see that smiles as it serves you a sandwitch but dreams of slitting your throat?
Wealth is everything, PA. Even with small numbers, wealth can bring power and influence, hence the stereotypes about Jews having power. Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.
So, there would be a 125 IQ white minority identifiable from the 100ish IQ pardo majority by looks alone. Sort of super-Jews, except identifiable to anyone, anytime, anywhere.
What a brilliant deal.
Are we “Westerners”?
If we’re talking economics, no. If we’re talking culture, almost all Europeans would say yes, or at least mostly Westernized. Europeans, even the race realists, fuck, even the racists, include Westernized blacks in their idea of “the West”. Latin America, too. Huntington was laughed at and dismissed in Europe for drawing up a separate Latin civilization.
Funnily, Europeans, the materialists, tend to equate the West with Christendom or Western Christendom; Americans, the religious, tend to equate the West with race, GDP or democracy.
And if we are “Westerners”, does this imply that we can make everybody Western?
Sure. Let’s have another crusade, or maybe we could enslave them, too, so that they forget their religion, or…
Maybe not? Westernizing can be done if you’re ruthless enough. Mass Muslim immigration means either voting for the weak mainstream morons who think Arabs will turn into Poles if we if we just apologize, crawl, crawl, apologize and then crawl some more or voting for those who actually have the will and the strength to cut that bullshit and deal with the nasty stuff.
The problem with b-people is that the people who are prepared to tackle the nasty taboo stuff in immigration are strong enough to tackle all kinds of taboo stuff and they always have a long list of enemies. For libertines it’s much better to just oppose immigration.
“She’s an intellectual equal, a mother to two cute kids, and was instrumental in advancing his political career. ”
That is a pretty low bar. Which major Presidential candidate did not have an instrumental wife? Who had kids that were not cute in childhood?
She helped him build up his ‘Black’ cred, but so did Jeremiah Wright.
He cashed in too soon. She is bossy, radical, 6 feet tall and 180 lbs. Imagine doing doggy style with her…ick.
Michelle Obama is pretty in “that’s a pretty dominatrix” sort of way.
And I have no doubt that is how she is privately. Given her actions around him, in the bed room he’s the one cuffed to the bed with a carrot up his ass.
Michelle Obama isn’t hot but at least she’s not fat. One thing Obama could never do is marry a white woman; he’d have a much, much tougher time politically and he’d never become President.
“Michelle Obama is pretty in “that’s a pretty dominatrix” sort of way.”
You are too noble. I would have said that she is pretty in a “Zira’s head on Lursa/Bator’s body” sort of way.
She is LARGE. 6′ tall and 180 lbs at least.
Obama doesn’t see himself as having cashed in his marriage chips. He isn’t the kind who wants to bang chicks. Stability and normalcy are probably more important to him, and with Michelle he’s got that. These kinds of guys need to feel anchored to a woman with a strong personality. It’s not surprising, given Obama’s flakey mother.
It’s similar to John Lennon and Paul McCartney, who could have banged any girl they wanted to, but each fiund a woman he clicked with and both seemed happy with their wives. With McCartney, especially so. Even though Yoko was a homely wierdo and Linda was an ageing signle mom.
Four possible scenarios
The first option is ideal, and I would hope that if such a scenario developed, the first option is what occurs. As for the second option, if the Poles were to marry black people and the Polish population became “black”, if they still speak Polish and perform other Polish customs, does that make Poles less Polish? In other words, must ethnicity correspond to race?
In regards to Options 3 and 4, they would represent a nightmare scenario that I hope would be avoided, and I hope that common sense would prevail and prevent such an option from developing. OTOH, I’m here because of the aspirations of a US backed dictator who didn’t like the light-skinned folks…
(Didn’t there used to be French people in Haiti?)
Didn’t there used to be British Loyalists in America?
IIRC, from what I’ve understood, the planters weren’t particularly large in number, and most were simply there to oversee the sugar cane production. Otherwise, Haiti, like most of the Caribbean was essentially mostly black with a layer of mulattos in between the ultra-small planter class. Haiti was not a settler colony like the United States, Quebec, Anglo Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.
Plus, admittedly, I suspect there were feelings of deep hatred for the forming white slave & landowners, and the French probably had no interest in living under black rule.
But I honestly don’t understand why you are such a fan of mixing people.
Blame living in the United States, attending Catholic School, having friends outside of my race, being the child of immigrants, and that pesky optimism.
and there are Haitians around today with Polish-sounding last names. Is this sometign you’ve come across there?
I haven’t noticed any lingering traces of the Polish ancestry in my circle of the diaspora, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of traces in other areas of the country. I’ll see if my dad or if the older folks remember anything.
In the purest sense of the term, today’s hard-left liberals are the real white supremacists.
Yet somehow, I’d rather have the liberals over the race realists. Somehow, I have more faith in them treating me well, or one could argue their propaganda is more enticing to me.
what kind of a life is it, being rootless, countryless, despised, and hating of every alien face you see that smiles as it serves you a sandwitch but dreams of slitting your throat?
Because you’re a god on Earth who’s better than everybody else.
In other words, must ethnicity correspond to race?
Absolutely. We’re not disembodied spirits.
Yet somehow, I’d rather have the liberals over the race realists.
Is it because they’re tossing the sub-125 IQ white discarda at you as feed?
She [Michelle Obama] is bossy, radical, 6 feet tall and 180 lbs. Imagine doing doggy style with her…ick.
I’ll bet she’d be a terrific f***. Assuming she has a GNP, of course.
Peter
If she has a GNP and acrylic nails, would Peter and David fight over her?
Willard’s “understanding” of American History is laughable. Nuff said.
The reason why Poles coming to Haiti or vice versa over a period of time refusing NOT to crossbreed is simple, because Men of ALL Races like to fuck Strange Poon. We are evolutionarily hardwired to want to fuck as many, and DIFFERENT Women as possible. This is why, in a LTR, the Female should either be cool w/her Man having other Women on the side-OR-she should be cool w/adopting many different identities for him, ie lots of role playing etc. Otherwise, all else being equal you’re pretty much guaranteeing your Man going out to get something extra. Especially if they exhibit Alpha traits of any kind.
The Obsidian
PA, ethnicity has almost no relation to race in Europe. If, say, a black kid is adopted by a Finnish family in Finland, he’ll be considered Finnish by anyone. Not even the racists contest that. In fact, the only ones that might plausibly force a racial identity are multiculturalist liberals (see eg. Britain).
Lennon used to cheat on Yoko constantly and beat her. She even selected his concubines for him. there’s a book detailing some asian girl she chose for him. Yoko believed sex for men was a great cure for depression. For all her nuttiness, Yoko was a true loving wife.
McCartney fooled around a lot. Or do you think a man who jumps into marriage with a woman 1/2 his age less than 3 years after his longtime wife died didn’t fall out of love with her long before that?
I hate to say it, mostly because he won, but I think Obama is Michelle’s bitch and a beta.
And, I simply do not get all the hatin’ on Bakos here. Sure, we all pretty much agree she aint our cup o tea, so why is she being dogged out so much? I for one am happy for her in that she’s getting her sexual needs met. Seems to me that her looks have little to do w/the issue at hand, since it clearly just ain’t old/fat White Women doing Black guys, and Roissy himself has noted as much above. I think *some* of my White Brothers doth protest a bit too much.
Moreover, I don’t get *why* a White Woman must be penalized for having a Black lover or two. Sure, a Woman having 50 Men, regardless of color, running up in her wouldn’t make the top of my list for Wifey material. But simply because she had a Black Man or two, that automatically DQs her? I don’t get that at all.
Nor do I get the idea of *forcing* Women of ANY Color to make sexual choices they really don’t wanna make. Either Women are free and equal citizens, or they’re not, period end of story.
Anon, good points you make wrt Denzel, White Women etc. But its more than a “control” thing, because White folks in general tend to be a bit put off by the animation of Black folks. They have a more subdued way about them, and this is something Black folks know well. So its more of a general “toning down” of one’s inherent energy level. Then, when transferring it over to the sexual side, this becomes even more important, for the aforementioned reasons I’ve laidout. Hope that makes sense, even if you still disagree.
O
BDS,
When you say that Lennon “beat” Yoko, I need clarification. Do you mean he beat her up, ie punched her in the face beat her up? Or do you mean they had a kind of BDSM relationship? Or what?
As for her choosing Women for him, that’s a hallmark of good Harem management, both the Qur’an and the Kama Sutra talks about this. And as far as McCartney is concerned, any Woman ought to know that a Man w/immense ambition, drive, etc WILL have more than one Woman. Since this turns on most Women anyway, it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.
O
So, there would be a 125 IQ white minority identifiable from the 100ish IQ pardo majority by looks alone.
Yup, that’s the theory. Whites stay “pure” and smart. Non-whites get a boost upwards in their average IQ to the current white norms and increase their productivity while wiping away the bad traits of low IQ. Everybody benefits.
Westernizing can be done if you’re ruthless enough.
Given that Haiti is a country that has been free of white rule for nearly 200 years with a brief interlude in the 1920s, what happened in Haiti for the country to meet the minimum standard of Western while other nations are unable to achieve said status? In turn, if Haiti is “Western” what about other nations around the world scattered in other regions? The Philippines? South Korea? India? Turkey? Senegal?
Is it because they’re tossing the sub-125 IQ white discarda at you as feed?
A pretty 110-115 IQ white girl is a good catch for me. Chubby and average height or petite and thin.
I guess it’s the reason why I feel safe walking along Central Park West, and not driving in the rural countryside. There’s a presumption that they won’t do “bad things” to me, and that if anything goes wrong, they’ll defend me from the bad people. In contrast, there’s that lingering stereotype of rural residents as super racists who are all in the KKK, hate anything non-white, who’ll spit in my burger at a local restaurant or give me dirty looks, or pull me over and falsely accuse me of a crime.
Mind you, I’ve argued that for the SWPL elites, one could argue that the desire to pump NAMs into college is due to two factors. Firstly, the effects of schooling upon whites in the post-war era led some to believe that the same process for NAMs would magically turn them into simply dark-skinned clones of the white middle class as well. Secondly, for some, there is a feeling that since NAMs underperform, they should be held to lower standards. In contrast, the same mercy isn’t given to whites who should, in theory, know how to behave and become successful members of the middle class. Thus, you’ll end up with a situation where a black person is believed to be the victim of previous discrimination, and thus needs help, but a poor white person should know better because they’re white. In theory, one could extend this to why SWPL elites believe that Israel and other countries shouldn’t attack civilians and other related concepts. In effect, it essentially makes whites into deities who are held to a higher standard than mere mortals.
If she has a GNP and acrylic nails, would Peter and David fight over her?
Acrylic nails don’t cover up for a flaw as great as an unshaved pussy.
I think people who lust after GNPs have latent bestial proclivities. They probably even want hair on the womans buttocks, but won’t admit it.
Dave Alex,
Question: how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.
Comments?
O
how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.
The Game.
I’ll refrain from saying that you’re lying about the IQ of said women since I have no evidence to prove otherwise, but either your game is solid, or said females have some type of flaw that hinders their ability to date other men or feel that they deserve equivalent high-IQ males.
This is why Scandinavians are such helpless tools.
I go to Ireland, and despite my American nationality I am accepted as Irish (and I’m only part Irish — I’m Welsh, Scottish and Norwegian too). If I brought a Chinaman with me, even if he had Irish citizenship, he’d get blank looks if he called himself Irish. In the back of their minds, the Irish would all be imagining him frying up a dog in a wok. Not that they’d necessarily be wrong, but they might linger a bit on the image after having seen a Kerry dog show. To be honest, I actually like the Chinese, but they are totally mystified by the distinctions between various British nationalities. I simply tell them that they should be polite and pretend to understand the locals, then hit the golf courses.
If the Finns really accept Somalis as Finnish, they are doomed. Too bad; I rather like the Finns and hope they can survive their naïveté. But Finns are really civilized Lapps. They absorbed too much of the Swede, perhaps, and the Swedes are the most insufferable of all white people. There is no group of white people in the world so convinced of their own righteousness as the Swedes. Just makes me want to give them a drubbing, to be honest, however, that might be in poor taste considering how effeminate their men are in general. But it would be so satisfying to give them a firm smack.
Also:
Why is this woman so villified? As I read the article, she seemed to be a woman past-prime, getting her kicks while she still can. She obviously still can’t pull what she used to, but she is getting something out of these sexual encounters. Her partners are also getting a benefit. If they’re all adults, is that such a bad thing? At the very least, she’s not hitting on most of the men in this forum.
– Original Grace.
Question: how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.
Because liberals have ensured that black IQ tests have affirmative action applied to them. If a Black scores 120, it is like a white scoring 100.
And do you make all your women take IQ tests? How do you know their IQ?
Lupo — quite right. Victor Davis Hanson makes the same point re: Cavalry.
PA — I’m not arguing for immigration to replace low native birthrates, rather that low native birthrates are themselves a disaster. Largely, women don’t want kids if they can live the life of Sex and the City.
Though that may come to an end, rather quickly. It’s going to get ugly for women, to realize that a provider is important and now having a resume that can range from 30 to 50 guys, the provider they can get is not going to be that great.
So much for Kay Hymnowitz’s “New Girl Order.”
DA — it’s a cultural thing. Obama is genetically half White, but he chooses as nearly all guys in his genetic situation to identify as all-Black. There are solid reasons to do so (Affirmative Action, the desire of SWPL to assign magical redemptive powers to Blacks, etc.). But there it is.
You might admit you are a rather … unique individual. Not exactly a good sample size of one. Obama is far more representative, in that he like Alicia Keyes, or the Lumet Sisters, or Beyonce, or Mariah Carey, Halley Berry etc, all self-identify as Black and culturally the line of the White parent is lost.
Which matters, a whole lot. People don’t want to see family, traditions, culture lost. Which is nearly ALWAYS the case in Black-Non-Black marriages/families. For reasons above.
PA — the KulturKampf was Bismarck’s attempt to de-Catholicize (and de-Austrian-ize) the German Empire, in the German speaking lands.
DA Again — Haiti could certainly Westernize. The Japanese did so, and they came from a violent, feudal, Samurai culture at least as dysfunctional as Haiti. But that would be a matter for Haitians alone. No one else can do it for them. They’d have to want it, like the shock of the Japanese realizing that Perry’s Black Fleet in Tokyo Bay was undefeatable, and they were pawns to do as he pleased, lacking Westernization.
It would take something like that — a major shock to major power players in Haiti creating long-term determined Westernization, and struggles putting down resistance violently (like the Satsuma Rebellion).
Grace, the problem is that her reasoning is exploitive, and even in that, it is flawed. If she said she was just getting her kicks while and where she could, and preferred them esthetically, but understood that there are the good and the bad, then she’d be okay. No, she projects all these weird fantasies onto people who each have their own actual personality, preferences, and tendencies.
Her motivations are creepy, to say the least. Men may not want to say that an old lady projecting her fantasies creeps them out because they’re not as physically vulnerable as women, and don’t speak from that frame, but this is what it is: creepy.
Power is power is power, whether it’s physical strength or psychological advantage. She’s a White woman living in a nation where most people have been programmed to believe that “White makes right”. She takes advantage of her greater default social status and economic freedom to exploit men who are apparently not very free minded. That’s as creepy as a guy who hangs around NAAFA conventions to find someone he thinks is underconfident enough to mistreat and get away with it.
This by the way, is why I nearly cried from joy when my TSH and T4 came up fairly well within normal range. Y’all don’t want to know how much of that kind of creepy attention I was getting. I’m still older, but that isn’t a visible mating call for guys with control issues. Being called a fatass by some weight bigot doesn’t inspire near the revulsion in me as “positive” attention from the dark side fatty fucker.
Take a photo because I’m probably the only fat chick or former fatty who will admit to that in public.
As an “older woman” myself, I’ve seen many of my single peers go down the same road as the creepy dudes, and not just in intercultural dating situations. They go after younger men of the same ethnicity, and do the same thing: projecting their fantasies rather than dealing with reality and finding a guy who actually fits their plausible fantasies.
In another thread, someone mentioned, albeit with much more paranoia than I feel is warranted, basically that when people *don’t* select on at least somewhat of a logical/function oriented basis, this is a rare thing. It probably should be because though “pure” love may be relatively unconditional, there are practical issues in a romantic relationship that are not going away due to wishful thinking. People who can actually handle these things well are special cases, and should be viewed as such.
In a way, she reduces her relationships with Black men to a kind of play in which she is the femme fatale, and he is the “noble n***er” with little if any regard for how he perceives the situation. The men are interchangeable like fetish objects.
It’s bad when men do this to women, and it’s bad when women do this to men.
GNP For Apes, Dave Alex,
I ask because I’ve never been as obsessed about the IQ thing as most of the White folks I’ve encountered in more recent years…lemme take that back, WHITE MALES I’ve encountered in recent years. All I’ve known is that I’ve always dated “above my station” in one way or another; I’ve just didn’t bother w/Women in my caste, so to speak. No guts, no glory.
No, I’ve never tested them myself, but I do know that they had occupations demanding at the very least, triple digit IQs to attend the schools they did and do the jobs they do and did. As I’ve said before, most of the Women I’ve dealt with held Master’s degrees, several were bona fide PhDs (a few were candidates) and at least a few were BAs. I can count on three fingers Women who were merely high school grads like myself.
And if Grace is reading along, Right On Sister. Don’t know if you’ve seen my earlier comments, but I don’t get the constant bashing of Bakos either. She ain’t hurting anyone and its really bad form to Ad Hom 101 her instead of actually dealing with her argument.
Dave: “Solid Game”? Maybe…
The Obsidian
Roissy, what did you think of the NYTimes Magazine article* on female sexual desire? I thought some of the claims were in tension with your general philosophy – but I’m not sure, it’s complicated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?ref=magazine
Nicole,
Pardon me if im wrong, but from what Bakos describes in her essay, the Black Men she dealt with seemed to be well adjusted and gainfully employed; there was no “power imbalance” to use the terminology of the Jezebel Crowd. Those guys seemed to know what was going on from the giddyup and proceeded and seemed to have a good time. I so nothing in the least wrong with it.
I know its near blasphemous to say in this venue, but Women over 40 do fuck, you know, and many actually enjoy it-and-horrors-there aint no shortage of Men willing to step up and do the deed. And enjoy it. Immensely.
So, I can dig it if that aint Roissy or whoever else’s thing, no problem at all w/that. Fine. But to constantly put the lady down, I mean I just don’t get it. She’s having a good time, why not actually deal with her argument?
The most prevelant IR couple in this country is White Male/Asian Female, and as have already been noted, many Asian Females have, to say the least, mercenary interests in pursuing those White Guys. I don’t recall anyone bemoaning the “power imbalance” there. And for my part, I couldn’t care less *why* they got together, *as long as they’re together*. God bless em, more power to em. Period.
Look, people are drawn to other people for all kinds of reasons. And when it comes to the Black/White thing, the sharp contrasts of skin colors plays a role, and I see nothing wrong with that at all. All this blather about “seeing the person underneath” and so on, well duh, of course that’s true when it comes to something more longterm. Granted. But to deny or otherwise pretend, or try to shootdown, those physical things that drive attraction-and let’s be clear here-few things drive attraction as much as Taboos do-I just don’t get it.
Im happy for the lady. She’s able to get laid in a high quality way. Good on her.
The Obsidian
Welmer: “There is no group of white people in the world so convinced of their own righteousness as the Swedes.”
Not so fast. I think the Norwegians should be at least runners-up for this distinction. Or have you forgotten the anti-landmine campaign?
PA:
It’s just realism.
Who is going to ask them to leave? Geert Wilders is currently facing trial for quoting the Quran in a disapproving manner and openly criticizing Islam and immigration. And he isn’t the only one who has gotten into legal trouble for things like that. If the Jihadists won’t get you, their dhimmi co-conspirators will. I can see Muslims getting evicted or killed when the natives are completely at the end of their rope, but before that I doubt anything will happen.
David Alexander:
Muslims, when they move to an infidel nation, try to force their cultural and religious norms on the natives using any means necessary, including violence. Not all cultures act the same way.
Welmer:
We are helpless tools, but for other reasons. There’s nothing wrong with accepting Mr. Africa as Finnish if he is culturally Finnish.
Obsidian,
“…merely high school grads like myself. ”
I suspect if you were white or grew up in the white world I did you probably would’ve done the college thing since judging from your posts you seem more than smart enough to go to college. This is probably at least part of the reason why you are scoring with smart chicks. Despite “game” and “looks” it’s hard to score many smart chicks without being smart. In fact, it’s hard to be attracted to them otherwise. I’m not saying you should have went to college – even for most smart people it’s a waste of time.
You may have been a late bloomer; most men do not intellectually mature (and there is solid brain research behind this) until they are in their 20s but because society age-groups in schools sometimes men get labeled as unintelligent when they really were just slower to mature than the average when they were teenagers. A lot of men fall in this category and don’t go to college because they thought they incapable of intellectual work because they did crappy in high-school as a teenager. I usually astonish my elitist foreign-born colleagues when I cherry pick late-bloomers out of the enlisted armed services for complicated jobs; even though it almost always works out well they still don’t believe that capable people wouldn’t have gone to college.
In the white world, if you’re minimally capable, you’re expected to go to college. As a result, far too many white people go to college – it’s more like they go because they need someone to tell them they’re smart that to learn anything specific. Few of them actually use what they learn in college; rather it is like a “certification” for their worth.
Geert Wilders is politically persecuted by an evil and illegitimate regime. And sometimes such regimes overreach and provoke a massive reaction.
In any case, don’t assume that today’s Population Replecemant fascists will either stay in power forever, or won’t change their strategy to “managing” society if they remain in power.
John Derbyshire once made a compelling argument that today’s “new class” leftist elite is essentially amoral. They are unmoored from Christan ethics and just because today they are lathered up in hate toward their own countrymen and lathered up in love for third worlders who are brought in to replace them, don’t assume they won’t reverse this on a dime whenit suits them.
I figure you are joking around a little here, but are you serious that nobody loses? What about the 85% of white families who are thrown under the bus?
In a similar vein, there used to be a meme, sometimes even perpetuated by Jews, that the Holocaust was a good thing for them because it allowed the brilliant or rich Jew to emigrate from Europe and “culled” their lesser coethnics from the ghettoes and shtetls.
That’s somethign you come across on blogs where the nerdier types of guys post. Alternately, when you can run into the IQ obsession among elite liberal whites, but they only recognize IQ as a way of looking down on other whites, never on people of other races.
I don’t thnik that I’ve ever in my daily life heard anyone say anythign about IQ, but that’s maybe because the white folks in my family and who I hang out with are just normal whites, neither nerds nor elites.
JerrDogg,
Thanks for the excellent observations, and you’ve touched on a very important point. Not only is it true that girls mature faster than boys, but in the Black community, differing styles of learning and culture have made it so that many Black boys are utterly uninterested in learning by the time they reach highschool. I know this as true for me.
If boys in general are more active, it is doubly so for Black boys due to testosterone levels being higher on average. I was bored to death in school, and on top of that, since most teachers are White and almost always Female, there was real cultural gaps happening too. Merely sitting in one position for hours on end wasn’t gonna get it for me.
There have been books and studies done on this, one of note by Jawanzaa Kunjufu for starters. Its always been my view that boys should attend all Male schools earlier on in life, and as they reach the upper grades they can be phased in slowly w/Females. The teachers should be all Males earlier on. Boys need more focus and discipline than do girls, but they also should be taught in the manner and idiom that’s appropriate for boys, meaning:
Fact based, hands-on practical learning and knowledge, that shows clear and present realworld results
Competitive endeavors and team building efforts both inside and outside the classroom
Channeling of inherent Male aggressive instincts into productive outlets and cultivating values that lookout for the weaker of groups
And so on.
What turned things around for me, a product of Philly public schools in the late 80s, was my coming into contact w/a Moorehouse Blackman teacher in my final year of highschool. He taught Psychology and I ended up there by accident as I had to take one more class to round out my roster and chose it on a whim.
This teacher taught us the importance of Psychology from a Black perspective, and it was like a new world opening for me. Though I wouldn’t go on to study it in a formal sense, I made sure to do the next best thing-hang out with lots of headshrinks. Also read whenever I could, etc.
As for why I never went on to college, coming from a Working Class Black family who didn’t know how to navigate the system to make it happen, lack of money and the tendency to “track” Black boys automatically into the Trades, all conspired against me. But that wouldn’t mean that I would stop learning.
Picking up a cue from one of my heroes, Malcolm X, I set out to teach myself. I would read books for free at places like Borders, an when I could earn enough, buy stacks of books at a time. I read newspapers, magazines, journals, anything and everything I could get my hands on. At one point in my life I was knocking off no less than 5 nonfiction books a month, and that was after working 60 hours plus on my feet.
I would attend lectures or bookreadings/signings or panel discussions whenever I could; became part of an all Black Male Debating Society, and surrounded myself w/as many different people as I could so as to “soak” up what they knew about various things.
I taught myself how to use a computer and to type, and w/the aid of mentors in an informal way, taught myself much about the Metaphysical Arts as well.
So yea, I guess what you say about my turning on the Smart Chicks by actually being smart makes a lot of sense, and to be honest, none of them have given me a workout for not being a professional or whatever. This is what I keep trying to tell Dave Alex, but as we all know we gotta give him time to come around. And slowly but surely, he is.
OK holla back
O
Obsidian, it’s my opinion that the woman is creepy. Maybe the guys she was with didn’t know why she was with them, and didn’t view her as such. Many legitimately-sloppy-fat or otherwise unattractive women may not know they were selected specifically because the man perceived them as a potential emotional or sometimes physical punching bag either.
This still doesn’t make for a healthy relationship. Sure, both people might be having fun, but one person’s motivation is as a consumer, not a partner. Granted, some men may enjoy the idea of being exploited, but I don’t think most do…especially when they’re on the relationship track, and find out their “partner” was just in it for the novelty.
I’ve actually lived that nightmare a couple of times. Now, if a non Black guy tells me he prefers Black women for any reason other than aesthetic or his having been raised around or by Black people and feeling more comfortable with us, or something else that has to do with real cultural similarity or something, I tell him I don’t think it’s going to work.
People like that will turn on you as soon as you don’t behave as their fantasy dictates, and will screw you over as soon as being with you becomes a little socially inconvenient.
If you or anyone else wants to trust people like that, well, it’s your funeral. I, personally, wouldn’t go near them.
Obsidian,
I apologize for my last couple of comments without reservation.
Nicole,
I hear what you’re saying, and perhaps its a Female thing which I don’t have a problem with. Women have legit security and trust concerns that are really vivid for me now that I’ve been formally studying Game. In fact, that’s one thing I’ve been working a lot, getting the Comfort deal down pat. Very, very important.
Oh, btw, did you see my mea culpa wrt locs? And I didn’t say this before, but I think you’re doin a great job in slimming down. Keep up the good work.
O
JohnF,
No problem man. Its cool. Let’s talk about how to be better PUAs & Lovers of Women. That’s what Life is all about!
O
Anon, good points you make wrt Denzel, White Women etc. But its more than a “control” thing, because White folks in general tend to be a bit put off by the animation of Black folks. They have a more subdued way about them, and this is something Black folks know well. So its more of a general “toning down” of one’s inherent energy level. Then, when transferring it over to the sexual side, this becomes even more important, for the aforementioned reasons I’ve laidout. Hope that makes sense, even if you still disagree.
I don’t necessarily disagree so much as I’ve clearly not thought about this as deeply as you have, at least on a racial level. I was just trying to articulate what I find appealing about Denzel specifically, but I do think the quality I’m attempting to pin down transcends race and applies to all men.
To quote from a turn-of-the-century Canadian children’s book, “Anne of the Island” (a guaranteed first on this board:)
“I wouldn’t want to marry anybody who was wicked, but I think I’d like it if he could be wicked and wouldn’t.”
It’s not animalistic power that’s hot in men: it’s having command of that power, not letting it run rampant or being subject to its whims. Because frankly, a man who doesn’t have control is just as whimsical and impulse-driven as the women men complain about here.
But you can’t go by me: I dig Stoicism.
As for why I never went on to college, coming from a Working Class Black family who didn’t know how to navigate the system to make it happen, lack of money and the tendency to “track” Black boys automatically into the Trades, all conspired against me. But that wouldn’t mean that I would stop learning.
obsidian, be very glad that you didn’t go to college. there’s a good chance it would have been a mistake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V122ICNS8_0
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-01-24-financial-
aid_N.htm
Couple of points.
* I co-sign PA’s views re birth rates and immigration, which are very well put. The main problem isn’t declining birth rates, which can easily be turned around and which in any case represent free choice in action. It’s massive and stupid immigration. And guess who we owe that problem to? Ted Kennedy, the 1960s, and the PC people who do their best to make it impossible to discuss the topic as the overwhemingly important topic that it is.
* Age and sex. It may turn the stomach of a few of this site’s younger visitors, but people don’t stop having sex at 40. 1) Deal with it. Seriously, stop being such a bunch of 12 year olds. 2) The sexual lives of older people deserve open acknowledgment and discussion. 3) Yeah, I do agree that aging people generally ought to make some effort to act in becoming ways. Old gals of 90 probably shouldn’t be whooping it up about hunky young dudes, and old guys of 90 probably should make some effort not to carry on too enthusiastically about the sexier nursing-home aides. But what if the older people do sometimes crack a joke or make an appreciative remark or (heaven forbid) actually summon up a little sexual energy and boff each other. So what? It’s even nice — they’ve got a little life in them yet.
* Black guyz and game. What’s with the whiteguyz (and Asian guyz?) protesting about this? What Obsidian describes seems plain as day to me. Where white and Asian guys in this country are often apologetic or shamefaced (or too forced) about turning on the sexual heat, black guys often start out sexing the ladies up. Black culture is a culture that values style, flirtation, warmth, fleshly contact, being in the moment. Black guys pride themselves on knowing how to dress, having finesse in chatting up the ladies, and carrying themselves with cockiness and pride. If you can’t see this, then you really ought to clean off your eyeglasses.
* Congrats to Nicole for taking off a few pounds. It ain’t easy, and it feels good. Have you checked out the low-carb and Paleo eating books and blogs? A very fun way to eat, and a very easy way to take the pounds off. One of my co-bloggers has taken off 100 pounds in the last year eating low-carb (and doing regular exercise) … He’s feeling great about it, as he should
Obsidian, maybe it is a female thing. I just thought maybe guys would be worried about it too, but then again, maybe a woman with that kind of personality is easier to suss out or at least filter out. I could see how an exploitive woman would at least come out as overly promiscuous before one even got to the issue of her motivations for preferences.
Yes, I saw that you said that you saw someone with dreadlocks who looked appealing. I didn’t want to gloat too much about that. It really does matter how someone takes care of their locs and themselves overall.
For some, it’s just a hairstyle, but for others it’s a sign they’re at least on their way to a healthier lifestyle in general. For me, some well tended locs are the equivalent of seeing an Asian woman with really shiny long hair. People taking good care of their natural selves makes them more beautiful to me than painting over a flaw that’s not a flaw.
Thank you for the words of encouragement in the “enforcer quest”.
Friday night, I got a little reminder of why I’m doing this. A nice hood means one has to use their fangs less often.
@Tood
“If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.”
:LOL:, you’re hitting the one liners out of the park. Love the humor, but I have to disagree. Having it all; 10 looks, intelligence, manners and all that good stuff is possible only in societies where women are trained to sublimate their needs to that of family building. Barrack needed a family base and community in which to practice his craft. Sorry, great speeches, intellect, blah, blah; as a single young man without roots in the community he would have been chewed up in places such as New York, or even Detroit. He married as a rational choice and it has paid off big time for him, a guy on the make needs support and understanding, not some hardhead who will not accommodate his ambition. Realistically to find all this in an Ivy Law-grad, with a stable family template, who is fitness minded(no post-baby blow up), I think he did all right.
Though this thread is specifically about black men, the whole issue is overdone. If you want nordic or homemaker types who are still chaste, move to rural Minnesota, North Dakota or Utah. Demure young ladies seeking to build lives as housewives generally do not move to NYC, DC, or Miami. Even if they start out in big cities educationally or career-wise, these are normally the females who ask “where do you want to live”, “have you always lived in goldiggity city?” and other leading questions. Gals with rural values are not overly fond of the pin cushion urban social scene.
Anon,
Yes, I see what you’re saying; Self-control is an immense turn on for Women, no doubt about it. And, I do think a great deal of what being a Man is all about has something to do w/being Stoic at least to some extent.
O
New investigations of female sexual desire.
Peter
Pete,
If you’re referring to the NYT piece, yea, I read it the other night and mentioned it I think in this thread. VERY insightful and only confirms the insights of Game. Powerful stuff.
The Obsidian
A man’s gotta have The Power AND The Control, no? One without the other is a drag.
If I brought a Chinaman with me, even if he had Irish citizenship, he’d get blank looks if he called himself Irish.
I remember from doing some reading that there are three models of dealing with immigrants culturally in Europe. There’s the French method in which the children of the immigrants are deemed to be French, but on hyper-active version of the American method, the French expect the immigrant children to magically be fully 100% French. The second method is the British method where the foreigners aren’t English, but “British” which implies that they’ll never be fully integrated into the country, but they have a place. The other method is the German model where the foreigners will never be German, but perpetual foreigners even after a few generations.
It’s going to get ugly for women, to realize that a provider is important
Yes, as we all know, during a recession, men should use their earnings to be a provider to women who will never truly love them and find them attractive. God forbid men stay single, save their money, and live a healthy lifestyle with reduced stress.
Oh wait, you’re stupid enough to believe that women have the capacity to love beta males.
Obama is genetically half White, but he chooses as nearly all guys in his genetic situation to identify as all-Black.
Admittedly, that’s a quirk about him that I’ve never been able to understand, but I suspect that it stems from the fact that despite growing up with a white family, he looks “black” with very little white racial features.* If you didn’t know who he was, you’d presume he was some black guy on the street. So if society keeps treating you like a black person, you tend to adopt that position. One could argue that the same thing is true for Haley Berry and Beyoncé. OTOH, Alicia Keys is obviously mixed race while Mariah Carey could have pass a white person, and in previous generations, probably would have denied any black ancestry.
Just for comparison purposes, I’d like to see if there’s a similar as you describe in mixed race marriages in other parts of the world.
*In Haiti, he’d classify as “red”. Somebody with somewhat lighter skin, but not a mulatto. Alicia Keys is probably the only person who’d qualify as a mullatto…
People don’t want to see family, traditions, culture lost.
Mind you, if I were to bring my mixed race kids to the rural countryside of some European country, I suspect that we’d get weird looks, dirty stares, and that feeling that we didn’t belong. In other words, “why are these black people here”. Of course, that doesn’t magically mean that black people will accept my children either. As an example, I remember a few kids calling a mullatto kid at school “Puerto Rican boy”…
Haiti could certainly Westernize.
In theory, given that the rest of the Anglo-Caribbean has higher GDPs without massive state support from white country, it’s possible for Haiti’s economic situation to improve. The problem is that the country lacks the mineral resources of Jamaica and Trinidad, the slick marketing of tourism like the Bahamas or Barbados, or the training wheels for government that the other islands had under British rule. Plus, for a generation of young Haitians, the solution has generally been to receive remittances from home to survive, or wait their turn to move to a white country and work there. Oddly, there are times where I wonder if the only thing that could save the country is a autocratic rule with a desire to modernize the country. Democracy has only created weak and ineffectual governments that just don’t seem either willing or capable of improving the economic state.
Fun Quote from an interview with Alicia Keys in the Guardian in 2001…
More from Halle Berry…
BTW, Mademoiselle Berry is currently in a relation with Gabriel Aubry, a white French Canadian model, and they have a child together.
“LOL:, you’re hitting the one liners out of the park. Love the humor, but I have to disagree. ”
Perhaps. It is true that until 2004, he wasn’t really any more successful than her, and her income was probably critical in affording him the luxury to stay in the public sector.
I guess I am comparing him to John McCain, who married a woman who was 17 years younger, very wealthy, and beautiful, and THEN launched his political career big time.
For me, I don’t care it all if a girl dated a couple black dudes, IF they were of a similar class type (not ghetto thugs). Now if a girl dates MOSTLY black guys, that’s different, because I’m not black and I’d wonder how that got to be her preference.
Good points, Dave.
Its just a fact of life that a bi-racial person, part Black, part White, will in most cases, either self identify as Black or have that marker put on him or her. Call if what you like, that’s the reality.
For some Whites, this kind of situation is at turns, fascinating and infuriating. Just imagine what that is for the people themselves who labor under such a situation.
Dave, its been said that Haiti’s been “punished” for daring to throw off the yoke of Colonialism several centuris back. I try to steer clear of conspiratorial stuff, but I don’t know, maybe there’s something there. Comments?
O
Stereotypes almost always have a grain of truth.
It is a fact that different races have different average penis sizes. In correlation with testosterone levels, Blacks are the biggest, while Asians and Indians are the smallest.
Look at this incredible article from the BBC in 2006 entitled “Condoms ‘too big’ for Indian men” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm
The first two lines of the article are: “A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.”
I’m a little confused. Beyonce is from Houston. But she’s not bi-racial. Her mother and father have been photographed, and they are both black. And yay to Michael Blowhard. My grandfather never re-married after my grandmother passed away, but he had a girlfriend years later (well, he always called her “friend”). She was a great woman who had also lost her husband. I always thought that my parents/aunts/uncles were glad that he was still “getting out there”, and had a companion even in his old age. I certainly wouldn’t want the party to stop, or all options to freeze up just because I’m 45.
-Original Grace.
jaakkeli:
My understanding is that ADHD is generally overdiagnosed in the US of A as any kid with a behavioural problem, so the ASD vs ADHD comparison may not be as untrue as you think.
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If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.
At the opposite end of the spectrum : John McCain. He got a woman 17 years younger, wealthy, and hot. He is the most Alpha man in this group.
GWB also married well : Laura Welch was a schoolteacher with a heart of gold. As first lady, she was dignified and loveable.
Bill Clinton married ‘well’ to the extent that his wife is really his roommate, and permits him to have affairs. She also made most of the family’s money before 1992.
John Kerry is a gigolo. He married a woman 5 years older than him who didn’t even take his last name.
The deepest love of all, however, was Nancy Reagan’s love for Ronald.
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Barack Obama’s wife Dad was big in the Chicago Machine. Her dad was a friend of Jesse Jackson. Baracks whole career consists of convincing Big Men/Big Women to let him be their little puppet. Michelle was one of those Big Women.
John McCain’s wife picked him…. and got him to leave his existing wife besides. His crippled existing wife.
GWB:Laura Welch….. ah yes. The murdering harridan. That wacky lunatic killed Michael Douglas when she was only 17. Those who are troubled by this can read the “snopes” account of it. Suprisingly, Snopes has the most happy, nothing-to-see-here interpretation of the events. This is surprising because that is the interpretation Snopes ALWAYS HAS.
Bill Clinton is deeply unhappy with his wife. His wife married trailer trash… even though she was from Family. Why? Maybe because she was a lunatic no upper-crust man with better options would want. Abraham Lincoln did the same thing. Wrote a poem about suicide afterwards.
I have nothing on the last two wives. However, Ronald Regan was no conservative.
@Tood
If the then Senator Obama dumped his bedridden wife and married a heiress 17 years his junior, there is no way he could have built a campaign from the American heartland.
“GWB:Laura Welch….. ah yes. The murdering harridan. That wacky lunatic killed Michael Douglas when she was only 17. ”
Are you insane? That was a normal car accident, and the other kid who died what in another car.
It was not a deliberate murder like Ted Kennedy committed.
Dave, its been said that Haiti’s been “punished” for daring to throw off the yoke of Colonialism several centuris back. I try to steer clear of conspiratorial stuff, but I don’t know, maybe there’s something there. Comments?
I’ve met some Haitians who contend that Haiti’s unique position as the poorest Caribbean nation is due to retribution by the United States and other Western powers for rebellion, but I’ve felt really hasn’t been the real source of trouble in Haiti. For all intents and purposes, it’s the lack of minerals, poor governance over the past sixty years, periodic hurricanes, and emigration of the smartest Haitians that has caused the problems.
I think Marsha Thomason is very attractive, I’m whiter than white (though not SWPL), and from what I could google both her parents were Jamaican.
I learned something else while trying to google her parents. Is the fact that I’d give her bonus points for being from Manchester and supporting City (and not United) alpha, or beta? On one hand, I’m considering things other than physical attractiveness in a woman. On the other I’m qualifying her. I think supporting one of the big four reflects poorly on one’s character. I don’t like bandwagon jumpers of any gender.
Shit, should have checked Wikipedia first, add Thomason to Thursday’s list:
“Thomason was born to an English father Peter Thomason (aka Thomo) and a Jamaican mother.“
Two bits of annectdotal evidence – I was getting take out pizza yesterday afternoon and saw a working class black guy my age come to visit the 3-4 (out of 10) white gal working behind the counter. This guy was better looking than I am, and I wouldn’t drunk dial a gal who looked like that under even the most desperate of circumstances.
Also, I’ve got a half-Korean, half-Iranian buddy who is 6′2″ and is one of the best naturals I’ve ever seen. If a guy can combine height with exotic ethnicity (relative to the States), they can clean up. Gals don’t see it coming, as how often can they encounter tall Koranians?
“Formal hockey is expensive, making it out of the reach of a large portion of the black population in the US. Hockey skills require a lot of practice to develop and so not having a lot of ice time and time on task due to money constraints means that a very small portion of black americans ever have the chance to get to a proficient level.”
This is kind of true, but inaccurate. It’s true closer to the edges of the geographic reach of hockey, but kids growing up in the Upper Midwest and Canada don’t get good via organized play, just like any other sport. It’s public and backyard rinks, and pond hockey (i.e. outdoor ice).
There aren’t a lot of black people in the Upper Midwest and Canada where playing hockey is affordable (let alone the scandinavian countries and Russia where you find the game in Europe).
testing 123
Anti-Circumcision Activist – Your an idiot.
I am a Turk. We do circumcision around 10 years old. This is how it happened with me, no anesthesia, no pain numbing bullshit you western men seem to inhale by the dozen. My father and my uncle grabbed my arms and wham, the knife went down and I was circumcised.
Anyone who knows Turks, knows how hyper masculine we are. Circumcision has nothing to do with it.
Western men have allowed themselves to be emasculated. Most of my co-workers and staff that work for me (Fortune 50 company) are weak, politically correct sloths not worthy to be called men.
If western men are going to let women call the shots, than you deserve the cultural, economic, and political decline. Have you noticed that the true patricachal societies are kicking western Asses?
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I leave for a good weekend and I come back and all you keyboard jockeys are in force.
Look, I get it. This is where you insecure boys come to play. This is your treehouse.
I will never feel a need to lie about pussy/my income or my education, and there is nothing I can say that will please people like bds and willard.
I can attest, as I look at my bloomberg and see the dow up 98 pts that I am not same asian hiding behind a keyboard.
So I will say it again; believe what you want fellas.
If it makes you feel better to think that only fat white women date black men – by all means, think that. I know your kind, the ones too chicken to say anything when I show up to dinner or at a party with my date, yet you act like women, your faces clouded over like little bitches on the rag. You’re the same guys asking all the insidious questions about where we met and where I went to school, what I do… etc.
There’s no need for the hate. Go out there and be the best you can be. Oh wait, that would entail you getting out there and doing something.
If any of you racist underachievers ever make it to NYC and want to see how I and other young black professionals live, give me a buzz, we’ll make it a learning experience.
Till then, enjoy your sewer.
646Hedgie.
Admittedly, that’s a quirk about him [Obama] that I’ve never been able to understand, but I suspect that it stems from the fact that despite growing up with a white family, he looks “black” with very little white racial features.* If you didn’t know who he was, you’d presume he was some black guy on the street. So if society keeps treating you like a black person, you tend to adopt that position. One could argue that the same thing is true for Haley Berry and Beyoncé. OTOH, Alicia Keys is obviously mixed race while Mariah Carey could have pass a white person, and in previous generations, probably would have denied any black ancestry.
Obama’s father was from the Luo tribe, a group that even other Kenyans consider very dark-skinned. It’s not surprising that Obama is as dark as he is.
I don’t quite understand why Mariah Carey even deals with the black-or-white issue. Her dark-skinned father was Venezuelan, so she could avoid the entire racial issue and simply say that she’s part Hispanic.
Peter
“Look, I get it. This is where you insecure boys come to play. This is your treehouse. “–What exactly are YOU doing here then,genius?
“I know your kind, the ones too chicken to say anything…You’re the same guys asking all the insidious questions “– anybody else catch that one?
“If any of you racist underachievers ever make it to NYC and want to see how I and other young black professionals live, give me a buzz, we’ll make it a learning experience”–You’re no professional,you’re a clown.A parasitical dead-weight on society.An Affirmative Action “achiever.”
Your success with White women derives from a very politically incorrect fact;White sluts see Blacks as an easy lay,that is all.Thats why Bakos is pulling in Black men in their prime.Dont flatter yourself.
“This is kind of true, but inaccurate. It’s true closer to the edges of the geographic reach of hockey, but kids growing up in the Upper Midwest and Canada don’t get good via organized play, just like any other sport. It’s public and backyard rinks, and pond hockey (i.e. outdoor ice).”
There’s blacks in significant numbers in the twin cites, Milwaukee, Detroit, etc… Although there’s not a whole lot of free ice there anymore. outdoor ice is kind of mixed. You get a lot of time on task because it is free but it’s really hard to have good ice quality consistently because there’s often snow or the ice gets too cold to skate well.
A big problem is the quality of instruction as well. This is probably why the upper midwest is disappointing in developing NHL players relative to Canada or New England. We just winged it as kids on the ponds without focused drills coordinated by adults. As teenagers we were thrust into games after poorly guided scrimmages. Hockey was more of a social sport than one where you developed your skills. And that’s no way to get to a pro level in a sport that is probably more dependent on developed coordination than any other.
I guess one thing’s true about pond hockey – it makes you a tougher player because only wussies play with pads. I needed 6 hours of nose surgery(still have small dents), punctured my left lung twice, have some facial scars, and I still to this day have some dental work that should be done. It makes you a much more aggressive player. Oddly chicks don’t seem to dig hockey players much there either. So I busted my face up for nothing.
You have to be in denial, or incredibly dense. if you can’t admit that Caucasian men are, and will continue to be, that alphas for the foreseeable future. The fucking ability* is comparable, the intelligence is not.
*Please back-up this claim. BTW, you can’t, it’s completely subjective.
A: How do you define “fucking ability”?
B: Some type of research findings usually go here.
C: I fucked VK and he has a micropenis.
When I was at UVA, there were a string of armed rapes and murders against white female students by black males from the surrounding shitty areas. Race was deliberately omitted from all local and student papers, so as not to needlessly inflame racial hatred. Draw your own comparisons to Duke Lacrosse.
You know what did make the local and student headlines?
“Unidentified white males hurl racial epithets at black students.”
Thousands gathered at, and decorated the “Diversity Wall”, to show solidarity for the black students who were apparently scarred for life by the drunken insults of some random idiot.
Obsidian, you are only here because you’ve been granted a massive handicap by the same people you’re trying to antagonize. And you are far better off than you would’ve been had your ancestors not been enslaved here.
Being from NYC, it’s not unusual to see black men with white women. But to be fair, I have to say the black men are getting the short end because a lot of those women were very unattractive. Hate to say it but I think there may be some anger issues being played out there.
As for this beast, and really I don’t mean to sully any animal, Roissy just blew her crap back to kingdom come.
There’s some brothers who will hit anything on two legs and that’s the best you can say about this hideous beast.
If you are foolish enough to let others see your demented thought process with pictures confirming it, one can’t complain when the obvious is pointed out.
Coach C,
First off, let’s not get ish twisted, I was among *thee* loudest voices in condemnation of CGM and her supporters, much of whom were Duke faculty, who tried and convicted those three White guys in the court of public opinion. I was utterly disgusted by the actions of Mike Nifong, and the usual race hustlers who crawl outta the woodwork when stuff like this goes down.
Second, let’s get clear on something else: I do not in any way justify Rape of ANY WOMAN. Period. Unlike my interlocutors in this thread, who do all kinds of rhetorical contortions to get around the clear and obvious fact that White Men, slavers and non, did indeed have their way with hundreds, if not thousands or possibly millions, of Black Women between 1619 and 1965 or so, when Jim Crow finally came to an end. The Black Men who are caught and convicted of Rape should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, fullstop. The poroblem, of course, is that we cannot say the same thing in reverse, the White Men who sexually assaulted Black Women at will and with impunity for centuries.
Third, I am eternally grateful for Lincoln, the Quakers, John Browne, and all the Union soldiers who died so my People could be free-but while I say that, I don’t want anyone to think that somehow we Darkies were sitting on the sidelines. We have fought just as hard, bled just as much for this country, often when this country ain’t have a great deal of love for us. In my own family I can point to real instances of this at work and I’ve spoken about it at length in this forum. So we’ve contributed to this society just as much, and quite frankly in many ways, a lot moreso, than most others and we intend to get the full measure of benefit and recompense for it.
To suggest that Slavery and all that it took to bring it about and maintain it, somehow justifies my existence is a rationale that I utterly reject. It was wrong, it is wrong, and we shouldn’t try to find rationales to paper it over.
The Obsidian
Don’t worry bout the race thing folks the way war will be in the future the first race to perfect war will be the first race to be the only one on the planet. The next hitler type will have the power to exterminate everyone else that doesn’t fit his image of a perfect being. So yea that might be where the iq thing comes into play. When slaves are not needed what do you do with them? When you can exterminate people without getting your hands dirty how easy would it be for a person to do so? All it would take is the right media push to make it politically correct to do so.
I can’t stop laughing my ass off…..
yeah, i’m marrying an a——- hole, black male, he used to be sweet, but now he’s controlling! oh, well so is my stupid mom, and lousey sister.
but i love the stoooopid a—– hole, what can i do if he does not love me?
Obsidian – As for sexual supremacy, one doesn’t need me to make such a claim; the sexual history of this country, where Black Men were lynched on the mere suspicion of looking at a White Woman, says much more about such fears and concerns on the part of White Males than anything I could.
Yes, that racial mythology says a lot about the black male’s irrational fears of White men’s racial revenge.
Fact is there are few if any cases of black males being “lynched for looking at a White women.”
This is one of the many self serving racial myths blacks have fabricated for their own emotional needs.
Not unlike the various black inventor myths – black man invented the traffic light myth, black men injected with syphilis myth, etc.
Black men were rarely lynched for actually raping White women let alone merely looking at them.
And considering the epidemic of black on White rape in America it’s obvious that blacks these days really don’t view White men’s racial retaliation as very likely.
Meanwhile far more black males have been “lynched” with guns and knives BY OTHER BLACK MALES for looking at, talking to or getting to close to their women.
Interesting that black males like Obsidian pretend not to know that and instead focus their racial fears and anxieties on White men as a threat going back to slave times.
Black males get murdered by black males, black women get raped by black males. That is almost exclusively true now and it was overwelmingly true through out American history including during slavery regardless of the black racist fear fantasies of White slave masters raping black women or black males being lynched for looking at White women.
Black men will ALWAYS be obsessed with White women. The White woman is the Queen of the black boys dreams.
White women are a genetic, social, emotional status prize for black males.
Black women are barely a mere semen receptacle to most White men.
That’s a key difference in race in America.
The black boy’s unresolved Oedipal issues have resulted in the projection of the father/mother complex onto White people.
The White man is the Daddy the black boy wants to out compete and the White woman is the Mommy he wants to sexually possess.
Obsidian is a case study in this black boy psychological dynamic. Read his comments from this perspective for understanding.
So much anger. So little time. The author is enraged that women over 40 have sex….with anyone. Unable to digest the fact that human sexuality in its more complex form enables men and women to bond sexually regardless of another person’s view that ‘ugly should mean no sex, ever, not even discussing it,’ the writer claims to know that no men want this “hag.” Yet the hag chirps cheerfully about sex toys on a web video, and apparently gets published. Most men I know who can’t stand the idea of having sex with anyone other than a porn actress who is still teething simply do not understand a very obvious rule about people — sex is none of your business except when you are having it. Why the rage toward this woman? Anger because she fucks? How dare she fuck! She’s ugly! I’ve lived long enough to know that women who are not Cindy Crawfords at age 50 fuck. And they love it, and so do the men who fuck them. I think that horrifies the author so much that this rant of rage against ugly old women is more a testimony to the author’s fury over non-attractive people fucking than any specific complaint about this specific old hag. The author wants a world of beautiful young people fucking. That world does not exist. Real life is a lot of people, including beautiful ones, fucking. Ugly people hook up, stay hooked up, shack up, go out, hang out, and like each other. Why the author finds this anything to worry about it a mystery, and I doubt that anyone who’s ugly and having great sex tonight is too concerned to worry about this writer’s obsession with not allowing ugly old hag women to fuck. The author does not have to have sex with ugly people. No harm done there. And that should hardly fluff the feathers of ugly women everywhere who are happily getting laid with men who like being with them…men who have depth and men who have good lives and men who hook up with ugly old hags are not too worried either. Hats off to people everywhere getting some tonight as I write this. They’re not upset that the author hates their ugly guts.
o holy carny christ – imagining this used-up, wrinkled douchebag prancing around like some cutting-room floor reject, stripmall Glamour Shot grannie makes my cock puke.
and not in the good way.
Lady Raine 2019
MEET YOUR FUTURE lol
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So stop judging people and look in at your self. Man is a creature that is mad in the image of Jesus.
So walk with him,
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I´d rather say that alcohol is in the liver (and brain) of the beholder. Beauty is consensual
I disagree with the numerous posters who assert East Asian society is strict with women, they’re not, but the women are far less slutty(probably HBD related).
Non-European Caucasoids are fairly strict with women-India, Iran, other Arab/Mediterranean areas. This however does not mean superior sexual behavior.
Anecdote- a white American female colleague goes to India on a business trip(Mumbai) for a week. Wherever she goes outside she gets obscene gestures from Indians, waiting in a lobby men approach her, going to a local “restaurant” customers feel it is okay to caress her body. Everyone expects this in India, in fact her company before traveling warned her about “cultural differences” in India concerning gender.
Orientals may have good middle class values but the rest is noble savage bs.
In almost every culture it is preferred in an attractive couple that man is readily capable of dominating (leading, defending) the woman. So that is why might see a bunch of white man + asian woman couples, but I have pretty much never seen, say, asian man + black woman couples. Also this seems to be in line with how certain races are in large part more verbally and emotionally dominant than others. The dynamics of asian man + black woman just won’t work out in an attractive way for most partners. I’m sure there are a few scant exceptions, though.
Also remember that the context matters a lot for a man’s attractiveness. I’ve definitely seen a lot of black men do very well in the club scene. White chicks go for them for a dozen social and emotional reasons that works in their favor.
t I remember the skin of the last black woman I slept with — it was wrinkle-free and taut but also somewhat rough in spots, like sandpaper.
Just because you banged a black chick with rough skin, it doesn’t mean that all of us have rough skin, maybe she didn’t understand the concept of moisture. I am a black woman, and have been told countless times by men of all races and various masseuses at spas, I have very soft skin. I must be some freak of nature anomaly.
Why don’t black chicks dig white guys and vice versa? In a word: testosterone. Blacks have more of it, and more androgen receptors, than other races. The same testosterone that imbues black men with attractive masculine features and musculature makes black women look less feminine
Are you out of your damn racist mind? Seriously I don’t have more testosterone than a white women, or even an asian woman. Not to mention, what you and many white folks in general fail to acknowledge, is many of us black people with slave ancestry are of mixed descent, which means we are not 100% African. Most of that mixing came from white men with black women, not black men with white women.
Please quit justifying your racism with pseudo science. It shows your lack of thought and any women of any race that would date you must either be desperate or lack any type of intelligence.
I wonder how all those white men I dated managed to date me being so masculine and all ::rolls eyes:: These same men didn’t even act like Eminem, they were college educated white men, and for some reason most of them were conservatives, or non-American. I guess again, I must be some freak of nature, or of course a white man dating my lowly black self must be less than an Alpha. After all interracially dating a black woman is a Beta thing right?
I agree that sedentary black men keep their dainty figures longer than sedentary white men. Black women, otoh…
Black women are on average bigger than white women, but most white women, like most other races of women in America are overweight.
You seem upset that this woman has written off white men, but yet in the same breath you write off black, asian, and other non white women as being for the most part ugly. Never once do you equate your preferences to your racism, mainstream media ideals of beauty, and the fact that you’re just an asshole.
From your website,
”””””””””’Siditty Angry & Black Since 1976””””””””””’
Now that is something I see in common on black peoples websites everything is about black, racist and such.
Then you come on here and spout the word racism.
Why do you think that is?
Women of relatively unmixed West African descent do seem to me noticably less attractive on average compared to white or Asian women. However, children of mixed marriages or black women with a significant amount of white blood are quite frequently _very_ attractive.
Yes Thursday, black women can only be attractive if they have been blessed with whiteness. Is that what they tell you at the Steve Sailer/David Duke conventions?
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The more a girl (and her fore bearers) were in the sun the more/darker body hair she will have. Therefore Mediterranean, Caribbean and East Indians have much more hair on average, and this has of course has nothing to do with how hot they are.
Bullshit. I am by no means hairy, and I am a “sun people” Native Americans were also a “sun people” and known for being relatively hairless.
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Not surprisingly, black men are generally considered the best looking on the planet, while black women are generally considered below average. I would suspect that the genetic make up of the black population is skewed towards favouring masculine attractiveness.
Yes, all of us black women are naturally nastier looking than white or asian women.
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An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks) and acne prone (like ginger white girls). Also, south indian chicks have extremely frizzy hair that seems to get all over the place when you fuck them.
Great features and good hygiene tho.
Black people do not have oily skin on average, black people are known for moisturizing their skin. White people on average are oiler than black people, which is why you have to wash your hair so much more often, and why many black people are under the impression white people smell like wet dog when wet.
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And let’s not forget black guy’s well worn love of “the booty.” White women develop “black booty” in middle age.
No white women develop sagging ass in later age. A sagging big ass versus an in shape more muscular ass is two different things.
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Nice Roissy – I am a white male 27 y/o and want nothing to do with black women…I chalked it up to thinking that a black women could not produce offspring that I would be even remotely proud of, do you really want a black whale raising your extensions?
Wow, I don’t know how I got an attractive, college educated, upper management in corporate america white man to like me, after all I am a “black whale” who would make ugly children he couldn’t be proud of.
Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?
””””””””’Siditty,
Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?”””””””””””
Wow this is de ja vu
Everyone who asks that is a troll
are you a troll?
Because I don’t go to stormfront do you?
How do you know about stormfront?
Big ass women are useless and ugly. Maybe its the rise in anal sex, brought on by gay men’s influence, that makes it so appealing, too. But a woman with a fat ass is just a fat chick.
As a 125 big ass black girl, we aren’t all just fat, some of us actually have big asses. I am the girl that has a very small waist, but in proportion to the rest of my body I have a big ass and big thighs, I also have big boobs. Black men don’t usually want 400 lb women, they want women with a large ass in proportion to her body. My white husband is an ass man, but he managed to get a woman who didn’t have to shop at Fat Asses R Us for all her clothing needs.
I also have a good set of legs, I know that is hard or you to imagine that a black woman could be attractive, but it’s true, some of us don’t look like men and weigh 900 lbs.
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I want to thank Roissy for introducing a most interesting topic within the context of Game, Social Dynamics, Race Realism, Evolutionary Psychology and the almighty Sexual Marketplace.
Race realism? I didn’t know that is what they are calling racism now. Good to know.
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IIRC, the lack of black people in swimming is supposedly due to the quirk that blacks on average have more muscle mass than whites, which means blacks are more likely to drown in water since muscle is denser than fat and doesn’t float. I guess nature is racist…
OMG, how did I ever learn how to swim? Much less my father, brother, mother? We should have sunk straight down once we touched the water. Damn really, is this dumb ass racist “theory” still floating around. A white woman once told me I must have white blood because I could swim well. I was 8, I just looked at her crazy.
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White men have close to NO need to be positively evaluated and accepted by black females. The vast majority of White men just don’t give a shit about black females or what black females think about them or their friends or which White male celebrities have been with black females. If anything White men probably have a lower opinion of other White men, friends or celebrities, who are with black females over White women.
I’ll be sure to tell my white husband that. I will also tell the white men in the past I have dated as well, that people looked down upon them for dating a negroid person. I swear this is a KKK rally.
So not only do White men find black women generally either merely unattractive or disgusting they simply don’t need to be accepted by them. They don’t feel like the black woman’s interest in them is of any emotional, social or psychological value.
Yes this is true. I look at the mirror everyday and wonder why God made me black and ugly. How did I ever manage to get marred to a man of any race, and not manage to shame his family with my ugly blackness.
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I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.
Don’t you find it strange that this white actor, even with all his appeal has dated almost exclusively non white women? Even black ones. I know this is shocking.
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Now when explaining the likes of Strom Thurmond and the stereotypical White plantation owners, my guess is back then the White women were more chaste and sexually restrained. Combine that with the fact that many black females wanted to be inseminated by White men, especially higher status males because they wanted lighter, less negroid babies and they also wanted the protection and benefits of having a child by a White man.
Those white men could have had many a white women, black women were not spread eagle waiting for “white seed”. Black women aren’t all that excited about white men on average. In most cases race mixing at that time was due to the racist power structure that existed. A maid needed her job and if she refused to fuck the white man she was working for she was out of a job. If she was a slave and refused she would be beaten or sold off from her family. Please how insulting to think that a black women would be so desperate for seed she would choose Strom Thurmond. He wanted black pussy, he got it, and as result ended up with a half black child.
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Because liberals have ensured that black IQ tests have affirmative action applied to them. If a Black scores 120, it is like a white scoring 100.
Proof please. You can’t, because it isn’t true, dumb ass. If you had a decent IQ you would know this is absurd.
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I’m a little confused. Beyonce is from Houston. But she’s not bi-racial. Her mother and father have been photographed, and they are both black.
Don’t you know she must be “mixed” because she is pretty. Black women can’t be pretty without aid of some other race to breed out the ugliness.
””””””””’Siditty, Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?”””””””””””
Wow this is de ja vu
Everyone who asks that is a troll
are you a troll?
Because I don’t go to stormfront do you?
How do you know about stormfront?
Sarcasm isn’t a concept you understand is it? The title of my blog is very sarcastic. No where on my site have I proclaimed all white men have small dicks, asians have bad teeth, or that indians smell like body funk and curry, but there have been “race realist” theory indicating that black folks can’t swim due to muscle mass, that we have more testosterone, and that we only score well on IQ tests due to Affirmative Action. I really can’t comment on how idiotic and uneducated you sound.
No I don’t go to Stormfront, but it is obvious many of you are great supporters of the “race realist” Steve Sailer.
Yea but a once over there where multiple black along with racist in the titles. Obviously an obsession for you. It will be ok ‘power to the people’ I work with all minorities every day. I know how you feel.
Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.
Yea but a once over there where multiple black along with racist in the titles. Obviously an obsession for you. It will be ok ‘power to the people’ I work with all minorities every day. I know how you feel.
Yes you understand the blog completely. Key word searches give you a real grasp ::rolls eyes::
Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.
What the hell does that mean?
I am thinking I could import an ethiopian woman that couldn’t be fired. Would help with my goals.
LOL You are insane. You are completely absolutely insane, ignorant, and obviously don’t live in reality
What then that ethiopian chick I know is a figmant of my imagination.
Sorry can’t continue I am being bombed the shit out of latas. crap.
Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.
Actually, him being a real man, unlike you, he actually makes the money in the family.
Siditty,
OK, good for him.
And, in return, do you keep a good home for him?
If he’s the only one working for money, do you, in return, make sure that he is fed good meals, he’s sexually satisfied, and that the household is taken care of?
To an extent such that he doesn’t have to do anything around the house, except for occasional tasks in traditionally male departments (major repairs, plumbing leaks and other “icky non girly” stuff, etc.)?
If yes, then, congratulations. You have the kind of marriage that more people should have.
If no, then you are being overcompensated. Count yourself lucky.
Yes, why wouldn’t I? Of course per your friends here, as a black woman I shouldn’t have a white man, I’m too manly for that. My blackness deems me unintelligent, unattractive, poor, low class, and an embarrassment to all things white.
I even change tires, and fix toilets, which to you means I would make a good negro maid.
Good for you.
As for “my friends here”, you probably don’t hang out here often enough to separate out signal from noise. Some posters (even posters who otherwise have meaningful things to say otherwise) just drop random insults and ad hominems.
That is of course the entire sum total of feminist “argument”, but you’ll occasionally find it here too.
There is a lot of valuable material about social dynamics, and the truth about male-female relations, to be found here. Don’t let purposely inflammatory comments from flame posters distort your image of the whole board.
“David Alexander”, by the way, is actually black, FYI.
As far as my girl is concerned, cars, toilets, and sundry other mechanical things just fix themselves.
And as far as I’m concerned, awesome food fixes itself, too. And our place mysteriously cleans itself while I’m working.
It’s a pretty awesome arrangement.
Hell yea Epoxytocin!
I am living in ultra reality life or death right now.
Yea I found out yet again not so easy to die as people think.
You have to pretty much win the lottery in this one.
He He He
Epoxy I like to work the inner racist out of people a little bit when they come on screaming racist. Then after the rage they can more see reason.
””””””””””on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 am Gunslingergregi
Sorry can’t continue I am being bombed the shit out of latas. crap.””””””””””””’
I am going to have to come up with better last words that would have sucked.
Epoxy I like to work the inner racist out of people a little bit when they come on screaming racist. Then after the rage they can more see reason.
Bring the inner racist out by being racist? I don’t buy it. I don’t see reason in your statements or many others here. I see stupidity and ignorance.
In terms of naming a black guy on the board to prove it isn’t racist, I don’t buy it either.
But you do see how you have calmed down right. It is called an emotional high followed by relaxation. The same thing can be done with sex.
Another forum spending a lot of time attacking black women.If you have some white woman talking about her love of black men what in the hell does that have to do with black women?If you nerds havent seen beautiful black women you arent in the right places or perhaps you are so prejudice and are only focusing on images which affirm what you already believe.Either way, who cares?Like it or not women choose men more than the other way around.We, as black women, have chosen not to date out.We dont go after white men in the same way white women go after black men.That’s the truth.White women being the most beautiful?Come to my office and see how much of a load of bull that is.But believe whatever lets you sleep at night.
This goes out to Tood (you’re Desi, right?) and Obsidian and all of y’all!
I’ve got a few points and a few questions to raise but my first is;
(well, my pre-first comment will be: …For all of y’all dissing on this unattractive older woman, she is still a lot younger and better looking than Hugh Hefner! He’s a cow that needs to be put to pasture if I ever saw one! Poor guy, content to be used for his money by young women who have young boyfriends they make fun of him to. Talk about insecurities over comparisons. He must have to take anxiety pills. Imagine if any of the bunnies had black boyfriends, old Heffie would have to commit suicide due to the shame of never being able to “measure up”. LOL!!!)
Now on to the real points….
1. What is this “game” all about? Is it about just picking up women for casual sex or is it about meeting, befriending, dating and eventually marry a woman? Would you use the same techniques on a casual fling as you would on a woman you are interested in long-term? Are your casual flings and your serious interests both held to the same standards or do you have separate standards for different categories of women?
2. For the Desi (I presume Indian) man who posted that he hopes this “game” never reaches South Asia… I agree with you! The beautiful thing about South Asian (Desi) culture is that men and women do not have to lower themselves and resort to silly games in order to get laid. They have a system in place by which almost everyone is guaranteed a spouse and their divorce rate is so low that compared to the US, it’s practically non-existent.
Keep up the good work and PLEASE start giving seminars to us! Instead of attending seminars to learn “game” our men and women need to learn some marriage skills. We have enough STDs and chronically depressed people on prozac in our culture. We need more love and stability. Our drugged up teens our crying out for it!
2. BLACK MEN!!!!!!!!!! ……..
Now this is gonna piss the sistas on here off (coz i’m white), but y’all already know what I’m gonna say. YES. Black men do have finer physiques and appear to be more masculine than any other race of man on this planet. When it comes down to the evolutionary basics of what attracts men to women and women to men, BLACK MEN GOT IT GOIN’ ON!!!
Back in the day the concern was for survival of the species and successful reproduction. Evolutionary-wise, primal-wise, that is what still speaks to us women, on a subtle, basic and instinctual level …. almost sub-conscious level, you could say.
However, since our species has survived pretty well, humans are no longer solely driven by such primal needs/desires, and that is what I try to tell my friends, who it seems, all have a penchant for choco-latte these days.
In short, they don’t know HOW TO PICK the right black man. They see a nicely toned brother (and that’s about all we got around here, is the nicely toned ones) and, being attracted to his looks and his “swagger” (that means his overall vibe/chemistry), they swoon. I am almost immediately able to tell if the brother is about something or not and I constantly have to guide them in this department.
They seem to assume that because they look fine, that means they ARE fine.
Also, a few of them have slept with just one brother and because the ones they slept with were well-endowed and skilled in bed, they assume ALL are like that, and sorry Obsidius, ALL OF YOU ARE NOT GODS GIFT TO WOMEN IN THE BEDROOM. (but a good number of you might be, I’ll grant you that).
Still, it kind of annoys me, this huge ego that black males have about their mandingo reputation. And another point on that NOT ALL WOMEN CAN TAKE BIG ONES!!! In fact, I know one brother who has a hard time finding ANY woman who can take him coz he’s so big. Poor guy is lonely, despite being handsome and of quality character.
Back to DESIs (Indian dudes). Same thing. Many of the white women you find with Desi dudes don’t know how to pick ‘em. They are picking the dudes that would never be able to woo a woman on their own back in India. (but of course, one of the good things about India is that men and women don’t have to woo or play games in order to get a life partner). But y’all know what I’m saying here. They don’t know who to pick a Desi man who is their equivalent.
I can say that one reason why white women are looking to men of other races is because, in the case of Indian men at least, they like the CULTURAL VALUES these men were raised with. I mean, in India there is no such thing as “baby mama” or “baby daddy”. You are either married or single and that is it. So I think a lot of white women want to get back to these good, stable, family values and Asian men like Desi dudes can provide that.
As far as white women with Black men, it has a little to do with the urban myth of their sexuality (and in many cases it is not a myth), as well as they way they ROMANCE a woman. A brother really knows how to be sensual without being corny. Smooth and sexy.
Whoever said black men are not in “game” seminars coz they don’t need it is RIGHT. In fact, I’ve been saying that for years! What is “game” other than “confidence”? And boy oh boy, brothers put the “c” in confidence! It don’t matter if they’re fat, ugly, poor, or homeless…. they got it!
But like I said, white women DON’T KNOW HOW TO PICK ‘EM RIGHT!
I often refer my white female friends to the blogs and websites of black women so that they can learn what black women think about their own black men, in order to educate them on some of their issues.
Now about Asian men with Black women, it’s on the rise. And white men with black women is happening almost everywhere I go, in small numbers, but I see it everywhere, even in small, southern towns.
For me the ideal would be;
A. the masculine physique and magnetism of the Black man combined with,
B. the refined spiritual culture and family values of the South Asian Indian man, combined with,
C. the facial features of the Middle-Eastern or Meditterenean man, combined with,
D. the good training that feminism has provided the White man!
LOL!
I’m totall serious!
That would be the “ideal man”.
However, the flip side to that is….
White girl you are retarded.You do piss me off but not JUST because you are white–it is because you come across as a proud WHORE. Giving a disortation on black men? Are you serious? Im a black woman who has always dated and eventually married a black man! see there, you and I have something in common-our love for black.Please quit acting like you are telling me, a black woman, something new in regards to black men.YOU are not black,so, therefore you dont know squat about black culture or black men (other than, what you claim to know–which boils down to NOTHING).White women like you do get on my nerves–everything you said in your post is absolutely racist and you are the stereotypical white woman who has nothing better to do than stalk black men and find out about the black man/black woman relationship so she can find out where she “fits” in–how pathetic.I bet half the black men you get with are married to a black woman or in a relationship with one.I bet you and your friends are like the stories I hear from black men and get used and abused on a regular by black men but yet you keep going back for more.You are ridiculous.Keep at it, I’m sure you will eventually find a sucka sellout who will take you.
But you do see how you have calmed down right. It is called an emotional high followed by relaxation. The same thing can be done with sex.
I didn’t calm down, you just added more racist nonsense to the mix.
646Hedgie-you are nothing more than a sad sellout little black boy whose looking for approval from anyone with white skin.you suck.you proudly admit that you arent attracted to black women and you are a black man? what does this say? you are a self hater and thank goodness you only make up a very small % of the black race.if you dont find black women attractive its cause you dont want to.black women are the most underrated group in this country in terms of beauty and you must know this.you are an embarrassment…your mama must be proud.
on July 6, 2009 at 10:09 am Siditty
See how calm you where when you just came back that is what I am talking about.
But yea if you know your pretty run with that shit. Just before there was a lot of white men love black woman but can’t get them stuff going on.
You Siditty disprove that they can get them. It is just not that common for white men to be going after black woman for long term or short term from what the majority of the men on the board where feeling about it. Then it was trying to be pushed down the throat like oh no you do like black woman. We are like no just not feeling it. Then it was you want them but can’t get them. So it was kind of a challenge thrown out in the past.
Hits ignore button on white girl.
See I didn’t ignore you black girl he he he
holy christfuck Batman
where’s
Obsidian
when you need him
Mahogany, you got me wrong, girlfriend. I am not the one with the chocolate fetish. A few of my very naive girlfriends are. If you go back and read properly, you will see that I am the one is telling them that “once you go black you never go back” is a big MYTH that many black men FEED OFF OF.
I simply appreciate that in general, black men have good physiques and muscle tone, but that does NOT MAKE THE MAN. I try to encourage my friends, if they must persist in this fetish, to at least find a black man who is ABOUT SOMETHING. But they get caught up in the externals and think just because a good-looking black man treats them “nicely” and romances them a bit, that he’s a “good man” and they want to have a relationship with. They get taken in by the game. Then later they find out he ain’t about nothin’! (and in my opinion they weren’t even all that good-looking to begin with, but I’m pickier than most women when it comes to looks it seems).
I personally prefer men that come from Eastern backgrounds for reasons of quality control. As far as I’m concerned – y’all ladies can have your black or white American men!!! They got nothin’ I want!
well, black men have all
your slang
Yea firepower what I was thinking this bitch is whacked and ovb looking for something don’t ya think.
wonder what it is lol
White Girl, (I’m not your “girlfriend” and I wish black women had a patent on this slang/context word&many others we’ve reinvented as we would be rich).I read your post quite well and I’m very good at comprehending both the obvious and not so obvious.I didn’t have to guess what you were trying to convey as you pretty much told us.However, you do speak out of both sides of your mouth in regards to black men—-YOU said that the entire black men white women “thing” has a little to do with the urban myth and in paranthesis you put “and in many cases it is not a myth” and then you have the nerve to say later that it annoys you the huge ego that some black men have in terms of their perceived sexuality.YOU then go on to say that white women are looking at other races of men, other than white, because she wants to basically get back to basics in terms of family?!? I can’t believe you are serious. That’s the sad part about all of this.I’m going give you some advice.
First off, instead of telling your friends to surf the web worrying about black women and using the internet as the “source” for research on how to get close to black men (which is about the most desperate act I’ve ever heard of in my life) YOU would serve your friends better by telling them to stop the desperate acts.Tell your friends to stop chasing black dick as this is not “classy” and certainly not “womanly”.Taking the race out of it I’m embarrassed as a woman you and your friends are even going that far in your quest to get a black man.(Hell, I’m black & even I wouldnt stoop so low)..Seriously, it would be comical if it wasn’t so racist to begin with.YOU and your friends need to find something better to do with your life and quit feeding the slutty white woman persona (ya know the same kinda thing you are annoyed about when it comes to black men).
One final thing, there is absolutely no reason at all for women to plot on how to get dick! and as long as you are giving your friends advice on how to “get a black man” they WILL ALWAYS GET PLAYED! Men are not stupid and if you think that any black man is going to turn down a request to reinact some sick slave black boy fantasy you and your white friends have, you are truly delusional.LMAO! Surfing the web? scheming to get with a black man but yet you have the nerve to be annoyed with the black mans’ ego? Oh, Common’ girlfriend! Men are not like women, girlfriend (which is quite funny), they generally tend to go for women that go for them and just pick the best outta the bunch.THEY GO FOR WHAT’S EASY when you are talking in terms of sex. Men, for the most part, don’t torture themselves by going after women they know they have no chance in hell of getting (only women do crazy stuff like this).So think about that the next time you and your friends meet and getting your next “plan of attack” ready for black men.
mahogany makes some damn good points.
a brother with no job, 4 baby – but a big dick – gets all arrogant bc he’s got 20 crazy white girls chasing his ‘gangsta’ ass around the club.
and hes so gangster he lives at home with his momma, 7 siblings, a granmamma and 4 aunties.
crazy white sluts get him arrogant – a black woman would never stoop to that level for a man
she’s got to deal with an overgrown baby when the white bitch leaves after he can’t afford to take her shopping
Again, reading comprehension skills, folks.
Nowhere did I say that I (white girl) am “chasing black d*ck).
I am NOT at all into black (or white) American men.
Nor are my friends “chasing” black men. They have a penchant for them right now because of the few black boyfriends they have had.
The only place where the internet plays here is that I advised these women to read the websites of black women so that they could get some insight into the issues of “black men in relationships”.
Regarding the comment about white women going for non-white men for family values, I specifically pointed out INDIAN men in that regard. Certainly not Black American men!
I’m sure there must be MANY black men out there with big private parts who are also good in bed. Many does not mean ALL.
And yes, I see it plain as day that these black men, whether big, small or medium, really play into the myth of the well-endowed, sensual black man. Why shouldn’t they? It works in their favor. They get what they want – which is a wide variety of pum pum.
And yes, I warned one of my friends from the beginning about their polyamorous ways, (as Mahogany brought up she thought these black men must have black wives at home), and guess what? — the dude she was seeing was indeed married (to a white woman) and on top of that, has multiple kids by multiple other women.
There’s nothing anyone here has to explain to me about Black American or Black Carribbean men. I know their games and I am NOT interested Mahogany so no need for you to get your thong in a twist and make a youtube video about it.
HOTEP
mahogany – you may have some good points , but based on your initial post addressing White Girl , you sound extremely bitter . it would serve you better to counter her claims without bashing the shit outta her
What exactly are these “good points” Mahogany is making?