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How To Prey On Women’s Insecurities

Women are not special little snowflakes in either the vaginas they possess or the insecurities which burden them. Women mostly share the same self-doubts: “I’m fat”, “I’m past my prime”, “He doesn’t appreciate me for my mind”, “He’s going to use me”, “OMG cankles!”, “My boobs are small/saggy/veiny/covered by an acre of areola”, “I hope guys can see how smart — SMRT smart! — I am”, “I hope he doesn’t think I’m a slut”, “She’s wearing the same shirt as me! Panic at the disco!”, etc etc.

You mission, should you refuse to be weighed down by useless pangs of guilt, is to make a woman’s insecurities your ally in the pursuit of closing the deal. You want to drive a wedge between her and her self-confidence. The reason is elementary: Women wish to date up. So a man can either raise his own status to appeal to the girl he is trying to pick up (see: Game, medical school), or he can lower the girl’s status so his status seems higher in comparison (see: Game, Roissy, Skittles Man). He can also do both, but this might be overkill on women who are less than an 8. The last time I exercised both options on the same woman, it was with regular reader and bean diddler Sara, and you all can see the results of that in the comments.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex, but what exactly is the gate? It’s her self-perceived status relative to yours. Or, her beauty. Quite simply, if a woman perceives she is more beautiful than the kind of woman you can be expected to snag, she will give you a harder time than she would to a higher value man who looked and acted like the sort of man used to dating women of her beauty caliber. This dynamic also works with status metrics like educational attainment, because women project their desires onto men and assume men will up- or downgrade them on things that are important to women. We know better, of course.

Men have two intrinsic playing field advantages in the sexual marketplace. One, men have a longer window of sexual desirability. A typical 35 year old man has better prospects than a typical 35 year old woman. He won’t need to settle as far down the mate ladder as she will. Two, men can better withstand blows to the ego. We are designed to take a licking and keep on ticking, as we are, barring rare exceptions, the initiators of courtship. If you want to bang hotter women than you are accustomed to, you must leverage both of these advantages to the maximum.

Knowing this, you can easily improve your odds with any woman by subtly exposing her insecurities using the implements of psychological mindfucking. The trick is to avoid direct assault on her soft underbelly. You don’t tell a girl “I like your low rider jeans, but aren’t you worried that it accentuates your muffin top?” No, you need to breach her defense perimeter indirectly, like a Trojan horse:

“I’m sort of an exercise buff, so I appreciate a woman who feels the same way about keeping fit.”

Any woman with fat issues will hear this: “Does he think I’m not into keeping fit? Are my belly rolls undulating??”

More examples of the art of exposing female insecurities:

Use on a girl who looks like she might be self-conscious about her boobs: “Yeah, fake boobs are weird. If only women knew that most men prefer real, firm, round boobs.”

Use on girls pushing up against 30: “I think younger women are overrated. Sure, they have great figures and are spontaneous and always up for fun, but their lack of… maturity… can get tiresome after a while.”

Use on girls who have a slutty past (thanks to me, you’ll be able to tell) and are worried about being pigeonholed as a one night… hole: “Most guys are too judgmental about a woman’s life choices. I don’t believe in that. Only weak people feel a need to live according to other people’s expectations.” (Irony intended.)

Use on girls who are insecure about their smarts: “I just finished reading Joyce, but I’m not going to bother you with that. It’s a little high brow.”

Use on girls who are insecure about being perceived as high maintenance: “You like playing frisbee? Funny, I never would have taken you for the down to earth type.”

Use on girls who have bad fashion sense and worry about it (*every* girl worries about how she dresses): “I think it’s refreshing that you’re secure enough to wear flip-flops without irony. Not every girl cares about keeping up with the latest trends.”

Note for the haters: If my experience is any guide, women of high self esteem will fold like cheap lawn chairs to ego-evisceration game even quicker than putatively low self esteem women. Especially the grad school and lawyer chicks.

1,375 Responses

  1. Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?” The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems? If your method was so amazing and awesome you’d be able to land women WITHOUT mental problems without needing a “game”.

    Once again, Roissy I congratulate you on your ability to draw followers who don’t think about what your “experiences” actually entail because you wrap it up in with some good writing skills.

    Why are you telling men they’ll feel “raw power” over a woman when you are teaching these men to essentially be the “whore”? You are teaching them to accept being a “pity fuck” or a woman’s “drunken mistake” based on a belief that as long as you’re getting pussy, who cares?

    Well anyone can get pussy and do it without turning themselves into the “guy that I dated for two weeks before I realized he was an asshole/loser/liar.”

    You are essentially turning these men into the male version of “whores” who lie to themselves and think “well I got some pussy” while the woman is saying “well I’ll never make THAT mistake again”. Way to shoot for the stars, Roissy.


  2. Leykis 101. Back handed compliments to keep their ego in check.

    FYI I think the meat market is the counter balance to the tactic here- the large amounts of male sexual attention re inflates their egos and makes them think that they’re hotter then they really are (if they’re in the 6-8 range) making your job of keeping a higher level of status that much more difficult.


  3. lady pain in the ass:
    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    got one right here:

    “the way you leave your tongue hanging out of your mouth is so… interesting.”

    The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know.

    you sound like you need a good rogering.


  4. on May 22, 2009 at 2:50 pm Seeking Alpha

    “guy that I dated for two weeks before I realized he was an asshole/loser/liar.”

    More like guy that I dated for two weeks because he was an asshole/loser/liar.” (and stopped calling)


  5. FYI I think the meat market is the counter balance to the tactic here- the large amounts of male sexual attention re inflates their egos

    perhaps, but a counter-counterbalance is that a meat market will amplify the effectiveness of solid ego-evisceration game because it sets you apart from all the meatheads lavishing her with primitive bone-headed attention.


  6. Also, your examples provided so far are not ones that would “upset” me. I’d just laugh at the guy and tell him that the dick is a dime a dozen. Which is the same type comment I’d expect if a woman behaves in this way by saying “No I don’t care about penis-size….it’s dumb”. translation= “Your penis is small.” Women play these same games and sadly they also end up with the guys with “issues” by doing this.

    Not all women think they’re fat, dumb, and old. At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago. I personally hold a high (but not delusional) opinion of myself and expect to be treated exactly that way. In the same way I’d expect a man I date to also have respect for HIMSELF and not be so mentally/emotionally weak to fall for “backhanded compliments” intended to beat the other person down mentally. What would I want with a man like this?? And what self-respecting man would want a woman who is so easily broken??


  7. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?

    I’d shoot for a woman without mental problems, but they don’t exist……. Need an example? Read comment #1.


  8. and comment #6….


  9. At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Don’t want children? then you have no reason for you to “settle down.” Want to have children? IVFs are expensive.


  10. Roissy,

    No thank you, I don’t go slumming. “You don’t laid” type insults only work on men. Women don’t have that problem no matter what and I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know that as every man knows this practically upon birth.


  11. PA,

    What does settling down have to do with having children? I already have a son and am not interested in having more children. I already have a child, so what would I need to settle down with someone for now?


  12. At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Translation: she got dumped recently by some guy she dated for 5 years, and now realizes the search for a mate is back to square one while the biological clock is still tick tick ticking.


  13. Two, men can better withstand blows to the ego. We are designed to take a licking and keep on ticking, as we are, barring rare exceptions, the initiators of courtship.

    Which is why running up a ton of rejections at the beginning is so important. For a guy, learning how little rejection matters is a major step up towards alphahood.


  14. Mr. M–

    Yes clearly the woman who thinks both men and women should have respect for themselves and not intentionally manipulate shows a real MENTAL PROBLEM. A bit out of touch? No, you just don’t have an actual answer to that other than “umm uhhh…. you’re crazy! you’re stupid!”.

    Mr. M… I have to assume you’re probably under 18 for making not one but two comments that are that stupid.


  15. I already have a son and am not interested in having more children.

    Well, then never mind. Clearly I misread you — you don’t need to settle down because you already have a husband to raise your son with.


  16. Thursday,

    I think that’s the single largest obstacle that a guy faces in the dating scene. Once thats over, unless he’s socially inept (pretty big if it seems, nowadays), success will come naturally.


  17. Rogering? No time for Houllebecq because you’re reading Stephenson?


  18. Tarl,

    Sorry, but I have never been dumped and my last serious relationship ended about a year ago and that was MY choice because he wanted to get married and I didn’t. One year later he is still trying to be with me and does so much for me by choice even though I told him I don’t want to be/never will be with him. He’s a wonderful guy, but I’m not “settling” just because he loves ME…. I just don’t love him in a deeply romantic way, so I don’t want to waste his time.


  19. Never been dumped? Uh huh.


  20. Lady in pain -

    weren’t you in an abusive relationship or something? single mother? trolling dating-based comment boards? shouldn’t you invest more of your time in your son?

    clearly your opinion matters.


  21. on May 22, 2009 at 3:06 pm advice for the ladies

    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”


  22. >Men have two intrinsic playing field advantages in the sexual marketplace.

    Just two?

    Another characteristic of men that this topic brings out is that most men don’t share the same ability to read subtext as do women. Hardly any of Roissy’s particular neg examples would work on men–partly because we’ve got (slightly) more solid egos, yes–but more so because we’re clueless. Comments like these go over our heads! For better or worse, most men just don’t pick-up on the subcommunication involved. Men take comments like these at face value:

    Her: “I’m sort of an exercise buff, so I appreciate a man who feels the same way about keeping fit.”

    Him: “Great! Me too!”

    It’s an eye-opener (and a struggle!) when you begin attempting to listen the intention behind a woman’s comments. Ask yourself–if you can sustain the caloric effort–what values is she communicating by saying that? What emotion is she feeling? Personally, I can only muster such energy in brief spurts.


  23. PA,

    OOOOh so tricky!!! Okay I’ll play along. Yes I have a son, but NO I was never married and don’t have an ex husband. I do not collect child support, am not on any welfare, and live by myself with my son in a place that I pay for, not any ex or husband. I have full legal and physical custody with no exceptions. I left his father a few weeks after my son was born and that was last I bothered to know anything about him. I don’t know whether he’s alive or dead, and it doesn’t matter either way. That was nearly 6 years ago and I barely remember what he looks like. Hopefully I can keep it that way!


  24. on May 22, 2009 at 3:07 pm Seeking Alpha

    trolling dating-based comment boards? shouldn’t you invest more of your time in your son?

    What better place for her to learn how to raise a man?


  25. Who is gonna need to teach your boy to be a man?


  26. From advice for the ladies
    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    Advice for the men:
    Shit tests. Both.


  27. Mr. M–

    Trolling dating boards?? I’m sorry is this E harmony and I missed it?! As for something that is none of your business, my son is here with me, thanks for asking.

    Actually I came across this blog because there is a comedy forum with a thread linking to this blog as “one of the funniest and worst things I’ve ever read”. Sure if you consider a comedy site “dating” I suppose that would apply. Nice attempt at a “dig” though.


  28. Who is gonna teach your boy to be a man?


  29. this is basically surgical-strike negging, as far as i can tell. but what’s the difference between this and regular negging as described in “The Game” etc.? aren’t they always supposed to be calibrated to the person? maybe in this case they cut a little deeper psychologically, which may increase the social distance per roissy’s analysis but runs the risk of taking the experience that much further away from playful flirting. but that’s what we would expect from a leading proponent of asshole game. dominance apparently taking precedence over comfort in the initial stages, in that view. i guess every man has to pick an approach that is ultimately congruent with his own personality.

    @LadyRain – you are missing a great deal of the point of this blog and the posts. courtship is a game, often a cruel one, and just because both sexes use all the resources available to them doesn’t mean they don’t want happy endings for each other. it’s a lot more complicated than that psychologically.


  30. clearly, her son will either be a true player or a true omega.

    it just depends if he realizes what a headcase his mom is or not (and how early he does realize).


  31. Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    Looking for a date this weekend?

    as long as you’re getting pussy, who cares?

    Your post would have been great if you had limited it to this one line. Try harder to edit yourself next time.

    At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick…

    I personally hold a high (but not delusional) opinion of myself and expect to be treated exactly that way.

    A girl claiming she’s not a delusional, high maintenance whore when she most certainly is…now THERE’S something you don’t see every day :-/

    What would I want with a man like this??

    A cum shot?

    And what self-respecting man would want a woman who is so easily broken??

    See: as long as you’re getting pussy


  32. Who would accept becoming the stepfather of a thug’s son?

    ………………. a beta!!!

    Lady, face reality, every men who has a little bit more dignity than David Alexander, once hearing that you have a son, and there is no story you could tell to make i sound better, will dump you. Only the desperate or the losers will accept you. As you age, you will see that even among losers there is an hierarchy, since the losers trying LTR with you will get creepier and creepier


  33. man-hating butch lesbian posing as a straight woman:
    Roissy,

    that’s Mr. Roissy to you.

    No thank you, I don’t go slumming.

    your overused dildo says otherwise.

    “You don’t laid” type insults only work on men.

    they also work on dull, bitchy women who write like they haven’t had a solid penetration since the reagan administration.

    Women don’t have that problem no matter what and I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know that as every man knows this practically upon birth.

    some women are so ugly, fat, and/or old that they can’t get laid by any man. not even the bottom of the barrel piss-stained homeless bums, quasimodos and hermaphrodites will have them.
    and you should be careful to avoid confusing ease of lay with ease of commitment. you might manage to get a halfway decent man to dump a hate fuck in your bitter, charmless, caustically unfeminine pussy, but you’ll have a harder time getting him to stick around for a sequel.


  34. PA,

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him! Fortunately I have a lot of family close that I see frequently. My sister has 4 children so he sees his cousins and Uncle frequently. He also see my parents pretty frequently as they live close-by too. There is no man I’d consider a better role model for my son than his grandfather is.

    I only allow men around my son who he knows well and don’t “bring men around him” even for casual dating unless I plan to be in a LTR with them. There is no excuse for single parent of either gender putting their sexual/romantic needs first.


  35. andrea dworkin:
    I already have a child, so what would I need to settle down with someone for now?

    single mom? explains a lot.


  36. Lady in pain -

    its truly sad how you think that is actually a substitute, of sorts, of a real father.

    on a serious note, what will you tell your son when he asks about his father?


  37. There is no man I’d consider a better role model for my son than his grandfather is.

    Yet apparently this paragon didn’t teach you how to pick a good man to be the father of your son.


  38. i’m inserting my witty aside, or bon mot, here, purely for easy retrieval, prior to it’s premature burial under the ubiquitous shite mountain of race discussion, roissy-hate and/or pertinent discussion of gnp and/or gross national product.

    happy holiday


  39. what will you tell your son when he asks about his father?

    “Shut up and put on the pretty frock!”


  40. The women who comment here come in three kinds:

    1) The Cute Friendlies: regulars who have been here for a while and accept the premises of gender-copmplementarity and Game; they are for the most part worthwhile as commenters; their level of reasoning skill, flirtation and sexiness of demeanor varies, but for the most part, they make this blog even more fun, since sausage blogs suck. Some in fact have very sophisticated, adult minds. Examples: Chic, OMW, Clio, Bhetti

    2) The Stylish Haters: they always have somethign to say, never anythign actually worth reading and pondering, but they say it with feminine charm; I’m cool with them. A little spice goes a long way. Example: Sara

    3) The Ugly Harridians: they write five-paragraph, shaming-language, arms-akimbo, snooty-toned comments that can be boiled down to one word: “waaaaah!” They are for the most part charmless feminists; I call them ugly because even though I don’t know what they look like, I sense a repellent unfeminine vibe in their writing. Examples: well, you fill it in.


  41. some memorial day weekend humor for you all:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910202

    enjoy!


  42. anony tarts herself up:
    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”

    “have you read ‘everyone poops’? it’s a classic.”

    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    “i bet you say that to all the guys.”


  43. Roissy,

    I really expected something more intelligent than THAT. You don’t strike me as stupid and yet if I have ovaries I MUST be a “man-hating lesbian” If there were actually as many “butchy dykes” as you claim there are, reproduction would have halted already.

    It’s strange you call me “bitter” for advocating that both men and women need to learn that playing games isn’t going to get you anywhere in life in adult interactions.

    I realize you WANT me to be as bitter and hateful toward an entire gender as you are, but I have the intellect to know that asshole men like you are a dime a dozen and most men are either amused or embarrassed by what you represent.

    Once again, darling…. I get laid whenever I like. I’m a woman and that’s life. I wasn’t referring to “getting laid” and having a LTR going hand in hand. Yes, I do expect to be treated like a princess and I openly tell this to men I might be interested in dating. I am never manipulative about it and am up front and honest so that they can ditch out if they choose or don’t like it. Amazingly, in the way this works with women (for you) the more of a cunt I am about my demands, the more attractive/quality men I attract.

    Women have always known this and it works for both sexes. Everyone is “on their best behavior” and not quite themselves when they date someone new…. that’s human nature. However you take it to a dark and ridiculous place where everything about who you are is about your penis. This just gives REAL man-haters something to validate their point when they say “men are drooling, barbaric, penis-on-wheels” and nothing more.

    Maybe this is true for you, but not for everyone. Also, I have seen your picture and you look like every other pasty-white guy that is still trying to look like a “college pretty boy” all the while having a mid-life crisis. If you were incredibly gorgeous and rich you’d have more room to insult others.


  44. anedocte

    My aunt’s friend (and also work mate) is a strong, independent woman, who fell to a jerk a quarter of a century ago. He made two sons on her. He didn’t work, she has a very nice job in the government. She sent him packing when the kids were very little. As a strong, independent woman, she decided to raise them alone.

    One got very close to her, the other more distant. The first was really bad with women, but extremely inteligent. The other didn’t like the mother very much, was kind of lazy, but banged chicks like hell

    The loving son had a heart problem, a problem that was common in his father’s family. The mother didn’t know, since she sent daddy packing very early. The guy had two mini heart attacks, which he hid from mommy. Until the third killed him. 23 years old.

    his brother, who currently keeps two girlfriends, visits his mother only to leave dirty clothes, and to have lunch with his harem on weekends.

    Mommy cries alone in the night. This is not a metaphor. My aunt told me.


  45. PA

    The women who comment here come in three kinds:

    don’t forget the 4th kind: precocious ingenues like lilgirl, kassy, lovelysexy and fine who want to roll around in the testosterone to discover that missing thrill


  46. Precocious Ingenues: yes, definitely a fourth category.


  47. another anedocte, I only started doing fine with girls after I left home. Momma’s boys tend to do poorly with women. And the opposite seems to be true. Trouble with mommy in childhood means lots of pussy later on.


  48. andrew dworkin:
    As for something that is none of your business, my son is here with me, thanks for asking.

    your son is either going to grow up to be a Beta of the Month candidate, or a criminal.

    for his sake, you should pray it’s the latter.


  49. “He can also do both, but this might be overkill on women who are less than an 8.”

    Why would it be overkill?


  50. gig,

    sounds right on point with the whole madonna/whore complex theory. seems like #1 son loved his mother and couldn’t game women as a result. #2 was the opposite.


  51. Single motherhood:

    When the boy is 0-12 years old, she controls him by yelling at him. And yelling, And more “geeeeeet over here dammit, turn off that damn TV, why haven’t you doooone your homework yeeeet, look at those mudtracks on the carpet, I just don’t know what to do with you anymore (sob!)”

    From 13-on, he is no longer afraid of her, and from this point on, he’s uncontrollable.


  52. gig maxim #15: children inherit 50% of the father’s DNA.


  53. As Martin Luther King said, and this is something I feel echoes my personal credo:

    “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate, myself, and every time I see it, I say to myself, hate is too great a burden to bear. Somehow we must be able to stand up against our most bitter opponents and say:”We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you…. But be assured that we’ll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory. ”

    Most important of all though, take that comma out of the first phrase and you get to the real crux of the matter: “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate myself.”
    Then fuck the rest. Just a thought.


  54. on May 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"‘on May 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm roissy
    lady pain in the ass:
    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    got one right here:

    “the way you leave your tongue hanging out of your mouth is so… interesting.””"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

    Hopefully I can die laughing on this blog when I am 90


  55. Lady who has no reading comprehension -

    since when did i say this was a dating board?


  56. corollary: daddy can go away. DNA stays. And daddy can be re-born in his sons through DNA.


  57. on May 22, 2009 at 3:37 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Lady Rain said:

    “PA,

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!”

    She admits that asshole game worked on her and the lack of child support is evidence that he was a real thug.

    Last boyfriend is a chump that she “doesn’t feel that way toward” and is still pedestaling her. She still longs for the thugs.


  58. When I was younger, I was casually seeing a not particularly attractive guy. Looks wise, I was pretty above him, but he was older and funny and charming. At one point, his friend told me not to get offended or get my hopes up, but this guy only dated REALLY attractive women. It’s embarrassing, but I totally fell for it. I became so careful about my appearance and so defensive about my own looks, that I forgot that it was really his shortcoming, not mine.


  59. Lisa

    As Martin Luther King said…

    good quote – MLK also said “sugar, now this is between us – don’t let the parishoners find out. Ok, on your knees, baby – um, that’s it.”


  60. I have an anecdote- I once read the blog of some retard who thinks he’s a psychologist but isn’t clever enough to actually learn anything about the field except the pop-psychology you get in teen magazines. And then I invented a lot of “pussy” to flesh the story out, y’know- like a fourteen year old does.


  61. It’s not “substitute” if I wanted that I’d just marry some guy with a good reputation or something. I chose a bad mate once…. okay. I wanted a child… so did he… we had one… he started drinking like crazy… and the moment he laid a hand on me once, I left and never spoke to him again. End of story.

    PA–You describing me as an unsexy feminist is soooo funny for so many reasons you could never possibly begin to understand. Actually I believe and voice to people I know that I think there is NO excuse for a woman burping/farting/and NOT being embarrassed by it. Women are meant to smell sweet, be soft and silky, and look presentable whenever possible. Looking like a man and acting like a man is unacceptable to me (when it’s a woman obviously).

    In turn I expect men to open doors, carry the groceries, and do gross things like the trash. I do believe men and women are equal but they are very very different and calling them the “same” is one big lie I don’t agree with at all.

    I mean, if you want to think I’m an angry feminist feel-free but just calling me a cunt would be much more accurate because I hate men that look like/dress like men and call it “feminism”. That’s just plain retarded to me. A real “feminist” is comfortable with being a women, likes looking like a girl, and likes being able to be both intelligent and attractive at the same time.


  62. Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    Wasn’t she just saying in another thread that the Skittles Man is a loser?

    Well, maybe so, but it looks like Skittles Man got her egg, her womb, and her 18 years of childraising.


  63. Alright, just finished reading the whole post. You stupid boy xD.


  64. hey, let’s not be unfair and ALL pile on Lady Rain. she’s a championship gladiatorette from another realm.

    i wanna watch our munificent host spar with her. he hardly needs any help.

    it’s like Thracian v Murmilo


  65. Lady Rain

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    Great choice in men slut. Slut who was too stupid and clueless to make effective use of any of the umpteen kinds of birth control available, when it mattered.

    Genes matter. Your bastard son has his. Those of the man you felt the need to flee immediately. Those of the man who’s too shiftless to seek child support from, since it would be fruitless. Because without a shadow of a doubt, a misandrous harridan such as yourself would go after him for all the feminist law now outrageously allows (percentage of his income wise) if it was worth your while.

    Fatherhood matters. Your unfortunate bastard will never know one, thanks to what you did then, and are doing now.

    The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?

    You think women such as yourself should not be preyed upon by men? I think you’ve let yourself be right cheap and easy target practice, and done forever. And have a bastard son to prove it. Slut.

    You are essentially turning these men into the male version of “whores” who lie to themselves and think “well I got some pussy” while the woman is saying “well I’ll never make THAT mistake again”. Way to shoot for the stars, Roissy.

    Men you want to call whores (and get much of anyone getting laid to agree with you) are thought studs, especially by other women. Embrace the fundamental and eternal double standard, slut, we all have. Those of us that have laid a lot of hotties, anyway.


  66. The reason you come off as an “unsexy feminist” is because your comments are hostile in style. The reason you come off as someone to not pay much attentlin to is because your confessed life-choices are in contradiction to what you argue.


  67. Just reread Roissy’s Compassion Creates More Cads post and something really hit home:

    The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    The incentives for men to be those hard working little working bees that built this edifice of civilization are just disappearing.

    P.S. The two best guys I know with women both have almost no money whatsoever. Except for their ability to get women, their lives are complete basket cases. One doesn’t work and just barely survives by occasionally teaching pickup. (He may be getting an internship with RSD.) The other is a part time bouncer at a grungy pub.


  68. on May 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"”Lady Rain
    PA,

    OOOOh so tricky!!! Okay I’ll play along. Yes I have a son, but NO I was never married and don’t have an ex husband. I do not collect child support, am not on any welfare, and live by myself with my son in a place that I pay for, not any ex or husband. I have full legal and physical custody with no exceptions. I left his father a few weeks after my son was born and that was last I bothered to know anything about him. I don’t know whether he’s alive or dead, and it doesn’t matter either way. That was nearly 6 years ago and I barely remember what he looks like. Hopefully I can keep it that way!”"”"”"”"”"”"”‘

    WOW be carefull out there guys. This woman obviously planned on getting reggers with first dude that comes along. Uses man during pregnancy then gets rid of him but has no problem cashing his checks and not letting him see his kid. Holy fucking shit.


  69. You want to drive a wedge between her and her self-confidence.

    Yeah sure, roissy. Sometimes I think you must fake being one of the top assholes in the world because you crave the attention it gets you. It works, huh?

    Use on a girl who looks like she might be self-conscious about her boobs: “Yeah, fake boobs are weird. If only women knew that most men prefer real, firm, round boobs.”

    Passive-agressive, i.e. veiled insult.

    “I think younger women are overrated. Sure, they have great figures and are spontaneous and always up for fun, but their lack of… maturity… can get tiresome after a while.”

    REALLY passive aggressive. This one screams ASS HOLE. :D Whoops I’m wetting my pants again.

    “Most guys are too judgmental about a woman’s life choices. I don’t believe in that.

    Oh please. Let’s be politically socially correct, shall we? {Insert pole.}

    “I just finished reading Joyce, but I’m not going to bother you with that. It’s a little high brow.”

    A good comeback for this would be, “What a relief!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMKnW3GYG0

    If my experience is any guide, women of high self esteem will fold like cheap lawn chairs to ego-evisceration game

    Don’t flatter yourself, hun. High self esteem women don’t date passive aggressive assholes. Passive aggressive does not equal alpha for God’s sake. I think you forgot to set your alarm again.


  70. It’s not “substitute” if I wanted that I’d just marry some guy with a good reputation or something.

    having an uncle and/or grandfather as his only male role models will not be a good thing


  71. on May 22, 2009 at 3:47 pm Steve Johnson

    Lady Rain-

    “It’s strange you call me “bitter” for advocating that both men and women need to learn that playing games isn’t going to get you anywhere in life in adult interactions.”

    Doesn’t get you anything but pussy.

    Got a problem with that? Take it up with women.

    “I realize you WANT me to be as bitter and hateful toward an entire gender as you are”

    You claim that the man who’s the father of your son is an abuser that you never see. You don’t sound bitter or hateful at all.

    “…but I have the intellect to know that asshole men like you are a dime a dozen and most men are either amused or embarrassed by what you represent.”

    Feel the shame of all these other people whom I speak for! Feel it!

    “Yes, I do expect to be treated like a princess and I openly tell this to men I might be interested in dating. I am never manipulative about it and am up front and honest so that they can ditch out if they choose or don’t like it. Amazingly, in the way this works with women (for you) the more of a cunt I am about my demands, the more attractive/quality men I attract.”

    Yep, you attract tons of quality men none of whom has committed to you and one of whom is an “abuser” who knocked you up. How well did he meet your princess demands?

    Hmm, listen to what you say you want or observe what worked to get sperm swimming up your uterus? Tough choice.


  72. The Cute Friendlies

    There are actually two groups here.

    The first group (Hope, Clio, omw) have a lot of smarts and can be pretty sharp observers too. They almost always contribute something substantial to the discussion, and I always take a look at what they have to say.

    The second group (Chic, Nicole, Bhetti) just spout a bunch of incoherent shit of varying quality. These ladies seem like OK enough people, but they don’t really contribute much. I pretty much ignore them.


  73. Lady Rain – abusers aren’t toggled switched. It goes to the core. You fell for it, without seeing it ahead of time.

    The sort of amusing thing is that your deadly combination of cluelessness and arogance leaves you open for a guy with game to exploit – and you won’t even see it coming.


  74. Mr. M– please read up to your own comment on “trolling”

    Lawyer–

    I never said I didn’t make a bad choice in choosing him, however he didn’t become abusive until nearly 2 years together. The moment he did, I left so if HE’S the big winner here by not seeing his son, living as a deadbeat, and dying an old alcoholic alone is hardly “sure showing me”!!!

    No, I chose not to seek child support because I knew that it would give him SOME leverage if he ever wanted to suddenly be involved with my son someday. Therefore to play it safe, I don’t take money from him, have no contact with him, and don’t even know where he is…. hopefully I can keep it that way. I had his birth certificate printed without his father’s name even though his father DID sign the paternity papers at the hospital. Again… my son’s safety comes first and if any of you are implying that STAYING with the abusive man would have been BETTER for my son, you are just flat out lying.

    Roissy if you honestly think that criminals all come from single mothers, you are sadly out of touch yet again.

    I don’t deny that having a “perfect marriage” with a “perfect father” is BETTER than single parenting (for the child) however this is not a perfect world and if you think that single dads don’t “struggle” and raise kids with issues you’re retarded. More importantly if you think that classic mom/dad families all have the answers to parenting and don’t produce criminals you are even MORE deluded.

    I hardly think my ex gamed me since he begged for me to come back and even kept the house “just in case” I decided to return (for awhile until he realized I would never go back to him). I’m assuming he gave up and moved somewhere after that.

    I look at the situation as a really positive one because I got a really wonderful son out the situation and I don’t have to “share” him with some court looking over my shoulder. I’m sorry if you find it offensive that I like to live in my OWN home bought with my own money with my own son, but I’m just not interested in the marital aspect, I never was.

    It’s not 1960 anymore. Little girls don’t dream of weddings and babies….. at least I didn’t. I looked at it as a silly contract of slavery for both people. Mostly it’s just unnecessary unless you’re doing it because you REALLY want to, but most do it because then they won’t be called a “slut” or a “womanizer”. Sorry, but I don’t have those society-based fears that I have to play by the rules of others or be branded a “feminist” or a “slut”. I’m neither of those things. I just prefer a relationship to be more companionship than any sort of dependency or “live-in” situation.


  75. on May 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm Pope Goaz D'Weezil

    Can we get some coverage of this feature:

    http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/legal_eagle_wedding_watch_517.php

    Seems to be everything Roissy would hate about female lawyers.


  76. REALLY passive aggressive. This one screams ASS HOLE. :D Whoops I’m wetting my pants again.

    Sara is finally being honest…


  77. I looked at it as a silly contract of slavery for both people.

    David Alexander? Is that you in drag?


  78. on May 22, 2009 at 4:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    no child support the guy can make more kids fuck it


  79. @Lady Rain – some advice: lighten up. we are paying attention to your posts and life story, and are offering our views on them, of varying degrees of helpfulness/sarcasm/hostility. you wouldn’t have posted them if you weren’t interested in the views of the regulars – you’ve been around for a few days now so you know what this board is like.

    but your writing style is ghastly – like fingernails on a chalkboard. the random capitalizations recall a 14-year-old. your substance is a lot less like the typical feminazi than it seems because the style is such a perfect parody of that.

    i can’t say i blame you for having left an apparent abusive deadbeat, but there usually are two sides to every story. what do you suppose his would be? also, you are wrong, as roissy has pointed out, about every woman being able to get laid at any time, and viewing men *only* as “dick”. that’s just clueless. stick around here, scream at the locals less and read more attentively, and you will learn a lot.


  80. on May 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm Steve Johnson

    “The moment he did, I left so if HE’S the big winner here by not seeing his son, living as a deadbeat, and dying an old alcoholic alone is hardly “sure showing me”!!!”

    Biologically:

    Him – 1 child and no loss of resources / child support. Those same badboy genes that attracted you to him are still there and visible for women to see.

    You – 1 child; huge handicap on the mating market and likely that your son will end up fucked in the head by being raised by you alone.

    Winners – him
    Losers – you, your son

    “No, I chose not to seek child support because I knew that it would give him SOME leverage if he ever wanted to suddenly be involved with my son someday.”

    In the one way that counts, the genes, it’s “our” son.

    You’ll remember what your ex looks like some day when your son looks, acts and sounds more and more like him every day.

    Let’s see how emotionally balanced you are then with a small version of your “abuser” who’s under your power.


  81. Gunslinger–

    Before comment please read up. I don’t collect any child support and never have. I also don’t “deny” him rights. After I left him I offered him the option to still “be a dad” as it was his right and be involved if he wanted to be. He knew where to find me, he knew my phone number. He CHOSE to not be a dad. I gave him a choice…. and he chose nothing. That was fine with me.

    Furthermore for the people saying he “gamed” like skittles guy. Again. Wrong. He was a very hard-working guy who made a decent living. Not rich by any means but we never “struggled” and had a house large enough for several children. I didn’t have a problem with his work-ethic, I had a problem with his drinking.

    Therefore YES I could have gotten a decent amount of child-support based on his payrate and chose not to. Why would I go through so much trouble for an extra few hundred a month? I have been working and held a job since the age of 14 and certainly don’t expect (or want to) deal with the boredom of just not working (even if it’s because I was wealthy).

    Calling me “bitter” for saying my ex was an asshole and an abuser doesn’t make sense. That’s what he was and maybe still is. However that is ONE man out of the many “good guys” I have dated and know now. One bad seed wouldn’t make me think all guys were like him. Second, I don’t “hate him” because it’s been long enough that I feel nothing for him at all.

    Also for the people who are too lazy to read up yet AGAIN, I had my son on purpose. I wanted a son, so I had one. If I didn’t “understand” birth control at the age of 28 I’d probably have more than one kid by now.

    Saying the word “slut” over and over means nothing. Being “promiscuous” in most cases of opinion mean “heyyyy they’re getting more sex than me!!!!”


  82. Lady Rain – not all criminals come from single mothers – but it is twice as likely.

    You state that he didn’t become abusive until 2 years in. He may not have become overtly so until then, but he was an abuser all along – and you missed it entirely (I am granting you the credit of not thinking you turned a normal man into an abuser).


  83. Entertaining at least!

    Marriage a slave contract for both people? More of one for men than for women.

    But anyway, I don’t see how society works long term without men having a reason to invest in it, and if more women make the choices LR did here, the decline will faster rather than slower. But perhaps that’s inevitable anyway, and, if so, then the faster the better.


  84. Lady Rain

    I look at the situation as a really positive one because I got a really wonderful son out the situation and I don’t have to “share” him with some court looking over my shoulder. I’m sorry if you find it offensive that I like to live in my OWN home bought with my own money with my own son, but I’m just not interested in the marital aspect, I never was.

    What’s deeply offensive and deserving of shame is that you intentionally or carelessly reproduced with a man that you call and perhaps was an abuser, and is so worthless as a person over all, but apparently not as cock for a while, that you consider the idea of him being any part of your son’s life abhorant. Oh and he’s obviously shiftless.

    To repeat, genes matter. You make a shit choice cheap worthless slut.

    To repeat, fathers matter to children, and your unfortunate bastard son will never know one, man hating bitter harridan. You have no remotely made things as positive for him as you can, you worthless bitch.

    Hell yes you should be shamed.


  85. Roissy if you honestly think that criminals all come from single mothers, you are sadly out of touch yet again.

    They do not all come from single mothers, but the odds against a child skyrocket in a single mother household. Sorry to break it to you, especially if you’re being honest about his dad being truly abusive (one of the few valid reasons for leaving a kid without both parents), but that’s reality. You have your work cut out for you to make sure your kid grows up to be a normal, functional adult. Broken families are one of the great problems which plague the U.S. and threaten our future.

    It’s not 1960 anymore. Little girls don’t dream of weddings and babies

    Before game I dated a raging feminist bitch (I know, I know…she didn’t seem that way at the party). It didn’t take long to discover that beneath the fake exterior was a little girl desperate to be married with kids. Most women do dream of this. And the older they get, the more desperate they become.

    Back then I didn’t realize what I now realize about marriage and family court. Had she taken some lessons from her grandmother’s generation on how to behave around a man, and dropped the feminist bitch act, she might have actually gotten me. Lucky me that feminism ruined her.

    Or maybe not? I grew up wanting to eventually get married and be a good father. Trouble is I don’t seem to meet any women worth marrying. And the more I learn about marriage the more I think I wouldn’t want to try it even if I did seemingly meet “the right girl.” But what if feminism had never happened, she had known how to behave like a lady, and family laws had been pro-family rather than anti? Maybe we would both be together and happier today.

    Oh well…women are getting what they wished for.


  86. on May 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"Lady Rain
    Gunslinger–

    Before comment please read up. I don’t collect any child support and never have. I also don’t “deny” him rights. After I left him I offered him the option to still “be a dad” as it was his right and be involved if he wanted to be. He knew where to find me, he knew my phone number. He CHOSE to not be a dad. I gave him a choice…. and he chose nothing. That was fine with me.”"”"”"

    I give you credit you are a female hero of mine now. Good Job!


  87. lady rain:

    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?” The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems? If your method was so amazing and awesome you’d be able to land women WITHOUT mental problems without needing a “game”.

    problem with your premise: if one aimed for women without mental problems, that would eliminate 95% of women , including you. men would never mate.


  88. on May 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm Tupac Chopra

    Thursday:

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    Well, if what FeministX says about women is true, e.g. — women have only used betas for their resources until the women acquired their own pile of cash through Big Daddy Government, and that women only truly feel sexual desire towards sadistic alphas and badboys, then I’d have to say “yes.”

    FeministX, if you’re reading, I see you still have yet to respond to the questions I put to you some days ago:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/keys-to-a-healthy-relationship/#comment-82318

    *tapping foot*


  89. Steve

    If you genuinely think he “wins” by losing out by choice on helping to raise his only son, that kind of sums up what kind of person you are.

    I don’t consider having my son as “losing”!! Also I don’t think of parenting as “controlling him”. I raise him to the best of my ability just like every parent does and hope he has a happy life.

    What I don’t understand about the general attitude here is that if you are a woman who is “comfortable” being by herself (meaning no dependency on man for money/emotional happiness) you guys see that as being a negative or hostile toward men.

    I like a healthy dating life and some nice companionship, but I don’t want someone who is “involved” in any other part of my life. It’s just not something I’m interested in for the long term.

    Also I know I have healthy relationship in general because other than the crazy ex, I am still friends with and talk to ALL my other exes since breaking up…. even one who I was “with” when I was 14 years old just called me recently to see how I was. You can speculate however you’d like on me as a person, but it’s still just opinion either way and I don’t care what class you fit me into because if you had ever actually MET any women you’d know all women are different just like all men.


  90. Lady -

    you re-read my comment, thanks.

    why are you here? i don’t get it. you spill out your life’s story and how tragically pathetic it is. you argue this, naysay that.

    are you hoping roissy will fly down to bumblefuck, idaho (your residence, of course), and light up your otherwise shotty life?

    seriously though. what benefit do you gain in your time investment?


  91. on May 22, 2009 at 4:22 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig made the following interesting comment:


    One got very close to her, the other more distant. The first was really bad with women, but extremely intelligent. The other didn’t like the mother very much, was kind of lazy, but banged chicks like hell

    The loving son had a heart problem

    I think people from whole families fail to understand the degree to which many mothers will play favorites. At a minimum, it is unlikely that a both parents will favor the same child in a whole family, minimizing the trouble.

    It’s not funny when you realize you are number 2, period.

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7321&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1

    Story from Zinks Boys, about Russia’s war in Afghanistan:

    Yura’s mother’s story is one of the grimmest in the book, because she blames herself — with some justice — for his death. Theirs was a “good family” in Soviet terms. And like a good Soviet son, Yura enters officers’school, then tells his mother, “All those high ideals you taught me, they don’t exist. Where did you get them all from?” His mother keeps up the lie: “I told him yet again that our Soviet life was wonderful and our people were good.”

    Inevitably, Yura ends up dead. And his mother, a born storyteller, tells how she prayed that it was her other son, Gena, who was dead: “I asked them, ‘Is it Gena?”No, it’s Yura,’ one of them said, very quietly.” She tells this story against herself. Now that’s horror.

    The mother’s suffering is very real, and she feels sorry for what she did, and also feels sorry for what she imagines she did.

    But being Gena is less fun than you would think.

    You don’t think it would be fun? Yes, exactly.

    I know the feeling quite well.

    gig observed:

    another anedocte, I only started doing fine with girls after I left home. Momma’s boys tend to do poorly with women. And the opposite seems to be true. Trouble with mommy in childhood means lots of pussy later on.

    I can see that. Once you realize your aren’t going to get female approval no matter what you do, you learn to live without female approval. Obviously, lack of need for female approval will amp any Game higher a nice amount.

    Lessen your need for female validation, and your Game will go higher. You may think it’s okay to need female validation. Yes it is. If you are an American, then it is almost certain your need for female validation is to high. WAY to high. Lower it.

    Really. That’s the door that Mystery and other super-Game guys have trouble going through. Once they go ‘one-itis’ they no longer get validation from continual conquest, so they need their larger-than-normal validation fix entirely from one woman. This causes problems.

    Though a wildly successful blog or other mission can fix that.

    My point may not rise to the technical glory of the last few Game posts, but it is still something to remember in LTR’s.


  92. @Mr. M — She just dislikes Roissy, I think. So she comes in here and tries to stir the pot for fun.


  93. Where’s Whiskey when you need him? I need to argue.

    I’ve been reading Ross Douthat’s thoughts on the hippy dippy libertarian utopianism of Will Wilkinson.

    Of course, there’s a lot of ruin in a nation, but still I can imagine telling my son, don’t work hard, don’t get a job, it doesn’t matter, here is copy of Magic Bullets (hey, I still prefer it to the original Mystery Method). If this shit gets out there, and any number of men start taking.

    Remember the feminist paradise that is sub-Saharan Africa. Men do jack shit. They drink, fight and try to get laid. Women do 80% of the work. And we’re rewarding this kind of behaviour. Caddish genes are being selected for as we speak. We live on borrowed genetic capital. Darwin always wins.


  94. In other news :

    Women are unhappier than ever.

    The natural conclusion.


  95. “….I get laid whenever I like. I’m a woman and that’s life….”

    cougars get laid too (along with all the other types of “practice girls”)


  96. nova- granted. but, i mean…single mother taking hours out of her day to just try to rail people on comment boards?

    who needs male role models? kid’s got all he needs right at home!!


  97. Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    you remind me of another commenter here sara I. always talking about how she is immune to game and has best loser-radar on earth. yet her past is full of screwed up abusive partners and losers.


  98. Doug,

    I think it’s obvious now you are basing your opinion of me on nothing at all.

    For the 300th time I can accept having made a bad choice in men and don’t “blame” anyone for my choice. I am responsible for the choice I made. Who is arguing that point? Yes I chose an abuser by missing the “signs” that he might be one. I have no problem admitting that. Most people have been “dicked over” at some point in their life.

    99% of the men here wouldn’t be seeking this brand of advice if they themselves hadn’t “made a bad choice” in a woman they dated or a situation they got “dicked on” so please don’t be so openly hypocritical.

    If having chosen a bad partner and then doing what I can to be responsible for my choice is “slutty” then I have been using the word in the wrong context for years.

    Also you telling me what kind of parent I am is ridiculous considering you know only one small story about one event in my life and know nothing about me otherwise.

    Joe: yes ONLY women have mental probs….not men. I really hope your comment was made in jest.


  99. on May 22, 2009 at 4:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”Remember the feminist paradise that is sub-Saharan Africa. Men do jack shit. They drink, fight and try to get laid. Women do 80% of the work. And we’re rewarding this kind of behaviour. Caddish genes are being selected for as we speak. We live on borrowed genetic capital. Darwin always wins.”"”"”"”

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.


  100. on May 22, 2009 at 4:30 pm Default Abuser

    advice for the ladies

    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    ”…I read Cosmo.”
    Looks like you been drinking them too.

    “…I had prophylactic masectomies.”
    So what went wrong?


  101. Joe: yes ONLY women have mental probs….not men. I really hope your comment was made in jest.

    i never said only women have mental problems. i said 95% of women have them. men have them too but a much much lower percentage.


  102. the eXile! That takes me back. it was my bible in Moscow. I think they got kicked out, finally, about a year ago. but it was very good – smart and smart-ass-y – while it lasted. a friend of mine was an investor in them for a while.

    the stuff about female approval and momma’s boys not doing well with women – very interesting, hadn’t thought about it that way before. how about the other childhood possibilities: a boy being dad’s favorite/least favorite, a girl being same (we all know about those, though) and a girl being mom’s least or most favorite…?


  103. Tood:

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them. That’s why they love being swept off their feet. That’s why they like it when they feel that the man is the chooser.

    This is also what makes it hard to get even conservative girls to stop dithering, stop waiting for Cary Grant and make a decision to settle down with someone. It’s not just partying and sleeping with Alphas that result in 35 year old cat ladies. Economic necessity and the grandmother effect used to put a stop to this. No longer.


  104. on May 22, 2009 at 4:40 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.

    Fine, you can go on living a subhuman existence in some godforsaken Nowherestan, while the rest of have figured out fusion and space migration.

    So long and thanks for all the fish!


  105. Joe–

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort. I wouldn’t go to bars and clubs where these gamers tend to hang so I have no idea if this would work out on me or not. However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares? Don’t mistakenly think that women are “sad” if they get some booty without strings. Often the game is played on both sides.

    Also I was lucky to only ever have ONE really bad relationship and that’s lucky these days. Someone also mentioned that having son makes dating harder. I have yet to run into a guy who looks “terrified” or anything like that when they find out I have a son. It hasn’t crippled my dating life in the slightest and it also weeds out men who aren’t understanding about things like me not staying out late/not having a sitter/etc. Guys who expect to be placed BEFORE my child don’t get a second date. You must be in the very small class of men who think a woman who takes responsibility for her child and her own finances is a “negative” to a man looking to date. A man who thinks like that is one I wouldn’t date to start with, so it’s kind of like a weeding out process that I don’t have to actually work at because they weed themselves out.


  106. on May 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm Steve Johnson

    If you genuinely think he “wins” by losing out by choice on helping to raise his only son, that kind of sums up what kind of person you are.

    I don’t consider having my son as “losing”!! x

    He wins because he reproduced and can do so again just as easily as before.

    You lose because you have one child and are at a severe handicap in getting enough resources to support more (not to mention the lower quality of genes that your future children will have because your lower value means you don’t get high quality men). You know what happens to genes of people who only have one child?

    Also I don’t think of parenting as “controlling him”. I raise him to the best of my ability just like every parent does and hope he has a happy life. x

    You feed him. You provide him shelter. You control his life in every important way. Good luck to him that you don’t even want to think about this.

    Every day he looks more and more like your abuser, doesn’t he? Hard to keep yourself from letting some of that anger at his father out on this small version of him, isn’t it?

    Also you telling me what kind of parent I am is ridiculous considering you know only one small story about one event in my life and know nothing about me otherwise.x

    One small story? That’s the biggest thing you’ve ever done in the raising of your son. You picked half his genes from a man who’s so unworthy that you think he’s a dying alcoholic! Way to go mom!

    Don’t worry, it’s just one small story…


  107. “Women hate making decisions.”

    @Thursday –

    I would agree, but phrase it such that women prefer to optimize, generally, much more than men do — so they hate making decisions because decisions feel like a lot of opportunity cost to them. My guess is that this is due to the price of eggs, as roissy would say.


  108. Joe–

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort.

    reread your comments in this very thread. you did.


  109. another anedocte, straight from the lower classes

    mommy went to the marriage of an ex-maiden’s (the woman who cleaned our house) son. The maiden had two sons. The father of those boys have 5 children, all boys, by 4 different women.

    What about the maiden’s sons? One is gay. The other one, who was marrying, already had 5 daughters, from 5 different women, including his current wife.

    Which one is momma’s boy? I leave it to the audience.


  110. I would agree, but phrase it such that women prefer to optimize, generally, much more than men do — so they hate making decisions because decisions feel like a lot of opportunity cost to them. My guess is that this is due to the price of eggs, as roissy would say.

    Which is why women are so absolutely loathe to settle, even if they would end up happier by doing so.


  111. Really Joe? Let me guess…. the reason the men make up almost ALL the percentage of violent crimes is because a woman PUSHED them to do it, right?

    Please. Just for fun I’ll say “Please show me your medical statistics that say women are more prone to mental problems than men”. That is an outright lie and you know it.

    In order to be a serial killer, a rapist, or a man given to assault you HAVE to have mental problems, so I guess the Criminal Justice system is just making up lies to use for statistics of men who are “mentally unstable” and committing violent crimes? Are they secretly controlled by women and the feminist overlords?

    Again MOST of the population of both men and women have mental probs/emotional disorders of SOME sort and if they didn’t feminist groups wouldn’t exist and neither would “pro-male” ones like this.


  112. Steve Johnson

    Biologically:

    Him – 1 child and no loss of resources / child support. Those same badboy genes that attracted you to him are still there and visible for women to see.

    You – 1 child; huge handicap on the mating market and likely that your son will end up fucked in the head by being raised by you alone.

    Winners – him
    Losers – you, your son and Western Civilization, when when this is allowed, yes I said allowed, to balloon, such that as many as 40% of American children are now born to single mothers.

    Pretty accurate, with the addition of my language in bold.


  113. my mom met the bad boy father of the groom. when she came home, she called me and told the story.

    “You know gig, the guy is a jerk, he isn’t worth the ground he steps in, but he is so nice, so funny, I simply don’t understand how he could do that [have 5 boys from 4 different women]“


  114. Really Joe? Let me guess…. the reason the men make up almost ALL the percentage of violent crimes is because a woman PUSHED them to do it, right?

    just because one isn’t committing violent crime doesn’t mean one lacks mental problems. mental problems combined with lots of testosterone aggression can lead to violent crimes, sure. that doesn’t prove most men have mental problems unless you can prove most men in existence commit violent crimes. meanwhile mental problems plus estrogen equals…95% of womankind.


  115. on May 22, 2009 at 4:51 pm Steve Johnson

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort. I wouldn’t go to bars and clubs where these gamers tend to hang so I have no idea if this would work out on me or not. x

    We’re everywhere. Look out for coffee shops, bookstores, subways, and streets.

    However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares?

    Or two years.

    Also I was lucky to only ever have ONE really bad relationship and that’s lucky these days.x

    TWO actually. You spend every day with a person who is 1/2 your ex genetically.

    You must be in the very small class of men who think a woman who takes responsibility for her child and her own finances is a “negative” to a man looking to date.x

    Yeah, that very small class of guys who wants to have nothing to do with some other guy’s bastard.

    Nice try at spinning not having your son starve to death into a mark of sterling character. Really? A woman who thinks taking “responsibility for her child and her own finances” is impressive? What’s the alternative? Stuffing him in a dumpster outside a prom? Going to debtor’s prison?


  116. on May 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm Default User

    sara I

    I think you were wrong about my angiogram number thing that you mentioned on the Hero thread.


  117. probably Yura banged more chicks than gena while both were alive


  118. Doug, Steve:

    Charles Murray has some scary stats on illegitimacy here:

    I’m not done, and want to save that discussion for a formal presentation in any case, but here are some tentative estimates: The illegitimacy ratio for the white underclass is probably now in the region of 70 percent. I think that the proportion for the white working class may be above 40 percent. The white middle class is approaching 20 percent—a scarily high figure when you think about all the ways that the middle class has been the spine of the nation.

    The white overclass? They’re still living in the 1950s—their ratio is probably about 4 or 5 percent tops.

    Murray is a reminder of what libertarians used to be. Now they’re all moonbats like Will Wilkinson, however interesting he can sometimes be.


  119. seems like one could avoid karmic back-payments and still go the route Roissy advocates by being less calculating and just more honest

    “yes those jeans kind of do make your ass look fat”


  120. Steve–

    You are clearly a very sick man to think that even if my son DID look like his father, this would enrage me and make me want to hurt him? Now that is just plain something you made up in a dark, sick part of your mind.

    You miss again that it wouldn’t make me angry if my son looked like him…. what difference would it make? As for me saying “a small part of who I am” meaning ONE relationship with ONE bad guy does not make up who I am.

    The problem here is you seem to think that if someone “gets dicked over” so to speak that they are forever dwelling on/thinking about/plotting revenge on the person who did it. I don’t hate him for being an abuser, he clearly has mental problems that can only be changed by him. Why should I be angry? He was raised by a dad who smacked his mom around early in their marriage and clearly he believed this was appropriate behavior. That makes more sad for him than anything else. It doesn’t make me “fearful” of men or of dating. People who allow one isolated event dictate they way they feel about ALL people of that gender/race are only making themselves miserable.

    Sure I’m pissed I made a bad choice at 23 in being with him…. but at 28 I hardly care anymore about my poor taste in being with him.

    Also I am not at a handicap at all because I have the resources to raise the son I have (obviously since I’ve been doing it since he was born) and I don’t plan to have anymore children so I have no reason to be concerned about supporting “more kids someday”.


  121. However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares?

    Or two years.

    Or never. look at dave from hawaii. guy works game and flips his wife around and now has a seemingly good LTR. game isn’t just about fucking stupid bitches on a first-night basis.


  122. and lady,

    why are you here?


  123. on May 22, 2009 at 4:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ok this is one of funniest threads ever.

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"Tupac Chopra
    Gunny:

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.

    Fine, you can go on living a subhuman existence in some godforsaken Nowherestan, while the rest of have figured out fusion and space migration.

    So long and thanks for all the fish!”"”"”"”"

    Tupoc don’t hate man. If i figured out end game for the world someone else did to. We are on a timer. Don’t worry be happy.


  124. *snooooorrrres*

    Jesus, Lady Rain. Get a job or something…. have much time did you spend composing all those responses?


  125. Steve–

    Don’t act mentally challenged, here. My ex wasn’t “gaming” me unless his game was to get me a house, work super-long hours, and beg to have a baby together. He wanted to stay together and wanted marriage but sadly he thought being a man meant drinking heavily and abusing your family too.

    Furthermore you know I didn’t mention keeping him alive to “impress”. My point was that you guys cry about women who play “victim” and rely on someone else to clean up their “mess” in making a bad decision.

    My only point in referring to that was I happily own up to my responsiblity and don’t feel anyone else is to “blame” for my choices and/or situation.

    I certainly was not raised by lazy people and would never allow myself to be so lazy as to blame one man/person for the decisions I make in my life. I am a grown woman and don’t have any desire to play “victim”.


  126. The white British underclass seems to be pretty scary. Undoubtedly the genes for caddishness are spreading as widely there as they are here in N. America. The problem, as Steve Sailer, has put it is that this isn’t the case for all European countries. Sweden’s slide into thuggishness has been glacially slow. I was talking to an RSD instructor who was in town and he told me that it’s harder to pull Swedish girls than girls anywhere in North America. The Swedes are even more whipped and feminized that we North Americans, yet their society holds together. A Dutch girl I was dating once told me that, despite it’s extreme social liberalism, the Netherlands was the most middle class place on the planet.


  127. Mr M–

    Dammit you are officially guilty of not reading up again. I found this blog by way of a Comedy forum I visit. Roissy’s blog is posted in one of the humor threads which is the only reason I know it exists.

    Also, some guy came to that comedy forum and started ranting about how awesome the “game” was and all this weird stuff and then never came back to the comedy forum again. Needless to say, it was entertaining to say the least.


  128. Master Dogen–

    I type fast.


  129. on May 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm Default User

    Lady Rain

    …Don’t act mentally challenged, here

    Was that a neg?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    See you are learning game.


  130. Lady –

    I did not ask “how,” i asked “why.”

    let me ask again –

    Why are you spending your time posting on this blog?


  131. Lady, a few facts for you

    Roissy is not the jerk who fathered your son. Stop being so negative.

    Your son will inherit, on average, 50% of his father looks, character, diseases and even political ideology. The fact that daddy is away do not stop this from happening.

    There is a strong link between fatherlessness and criminality. And for every fatherless boy who becomes a criminal, there 10 “sub-criminals”, or simple thugs who won’t do anything serious enough to go to jail, but will be recognyzed as thugs by everyone around nonetheless.

    There is a strong link between the mother-and-son relationship and the boy’s future sucess or failure with women.

    Calling Roissy and his readers virgins won’t change any of that.


  132. on May 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    i am on my one day off and cannot finish scarface because this thread owns good one default


  133. Lady, one more to you. It is to much coincidence that in the same month when the heart attack stuff and the jerk’s marriage were told me, you appeared in this forum

    You made a bad choice about your son’s father. it says more ABOUT YOU than about him. Roissy and his vestal readers are not responsible for it.


  134. Lady Rain – Perhaps greater introspection, more study of human nature and deeper analysis would serve you better than rapid typing speed.


  135. on May 22, 2009 at 5:19 pm Default User

    Lady Rain
    Copied from a reply I posted on the now dead Skittles thread.

    An important point to note is that what Roissy tends to focus on is attraction. There can be no relationship without attraction. And what creates attraction are not those things that women say work. Our “real personality’ has little to do with attraction, which is governed by more instinctual drives. A man that shares his “real personality” before gaining attraction is likely to end up in the (sexless) friend zone. A man that gains attraction and then shares his “real personality” has a chance of building a romantic relationship.

    I use quotes around “real personality” because most of what game is about is about preventing the desexualizing aspects of “nice guy” dating. It is about giving quality guy that edge that is so attractive to women.

    You could say that is about tricking you (the woman) into choosing the quality/good guys and not falling for the losers who have that edge but lack the quality.


  136. Joyce? Considering most people who went to a decent high school probably read A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, it’d probably work better to use a different author.


  137. the jezebeller/feministing invasion was nice.

    the old haters, like nicole and the divorce-thieve, sara I, are to boring

    FeministX and Lady Rain are much funnier. FemX, a feminazi men-hater southern-indian-brahmin, is even more diverse than obsidian.


  138. a feminazi men-hater southern-indian-brahmin and HBD-believer


  139. Lady Rain,

    I think you need to join one of my therapy classes. What does a Racer X therapy session for the whiny little bitch like yourself consist of? First, I will spank you quite thoroughly. Not light spanking either, but hard, firm, vigorous slaps with the full palm of my strong hand across each one your lovely buttocks. They will be red afterward. Then, and only after I have made sure you are nicely lubricated (preferably by eating your pussy for a good long while) I will fuck you. And I will fuck you hard and through, fast and furious, for hours on end. You will be sore after. Finally, to finish things off I will then fuck you in the ass, with a bit more light or heavy slapping of your ass cheeks thrown in just to remind you not be such a whiny little bitch. Your ass will long for my cock afterward, especially when you are taking a really big shit.

    After a few sessions like that you will be a changed woman. Perhaps the sweet elixir will last only a little while, but during that time you will feel things you have never felt before.


  140. on May 22, 2009 at 5:29 pm too late for romance

    Jesus I can’t believe you retards are feeding that lady rain cunt’s ego by sparring with her. She’s irrelevant. Why waste the time?

    She’s been trolling and protesting way too much for over two hours so far on a beautiful Friday late afternoon, which should tell you all you need to know about her life.

    Not to mention her bastard son.


  141. on May 22, 2009 at 5:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    be glad you guys aren’t here i just had to mercy kill a mosquito with a baseball bat after wounding it.


  142. on May 22, 2009 at 5:31 pm too late for romance

    Sorry, but I was too harsh.

    At least the the cunt’s bastard will be there to mow my lawn in twenty years or ask if I want fries with that. That’s something.


  143. Thursday–

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    The incentives for men to be those hard working little working bees that built this edifice of civilization are just disappearing.

    P.S. The two best guys I know with women both have almost no money whatsoever. Except for their ability to get women, their lives are complete basket cases. One doesn’t work and just barely survives by occasionally teaching pickup. (He may be getting an internship with RSD.) The other is a part time bouncer at a grungy pub.

    I’ve been thinking about the impact of these kinds of effects for months, from reading here at Roissy’s.

    As well, what women excel at in the workplace primarily is being dutiful diligent followers — including at very high levels of expertise. How much important stuff is really invented by women? I’m not just talking engineering and science here. In all fields, outside literature and a few arts.

    If there isn’t a big field of men ambitiously working away in the trenches from which some really inventive and creative ones emerge, will we have the same level of invention?

    Yes you and I are both talking about things that are so far only happening on the margins (aside from things like illegitimacy *shudder*), but what if this as you say snowballs? Men dropping out from being career ambitious that is, except in obvious chic magnet stuff like acting and being rock stars.


  144. on May 22, 2009 at 5:33 pm Steve Johnson

    I don’t hate him for being an abuser, he clearly has mental problems that can only be changed by him. Why should I be angry?

    You’re assuming that anyone here believes you that he was an abuser. Hint: women aren’t always on speaking terms with truth.

    A woman who has a bastard child with a man whom she calls an abuser is either:

    (a) lying about the guy in a (conscious or not) attempt to find a stupid beta to play Captain Save A Ho.
    (b) telling the truth and chose to have a child with a violent man

    Either way, what people here are guessing about you isn’t what you think they are.

    Sure I’m pissed I made a bad choice at 23 in being with him…. but at 28 I hardly care anymore about my poor taste in being with him.x

    You hardly care about your poor taste. Your genes disagree. The only chance they have is on a team with genes from an alcoholic loser.

    Since our genes are pretty good at making us miserable if we’re doing something against their best interests (unless that “something” is something “new” to humans, like fucking with condoms), it’s a pretty good guess that you’re none too happy about your life and your life choices.

    Also I am not at a handicap at all because I have the resources to raise the son I have (obviously since I’ve been doing it since he was born) and I don’t plan to have anymore children so I have no reason to be concerned about supporting “more kids someday”.

    You don’t know what words mean do you? Handicap = you’re at a disadvantage if you wanted to have more kids. There are two reasons for this (1) you can attract only lower quality mates than you could without a child and (2) you get no support for your child from the father or his family, if you have the bad luck to lose your job or something, your son suffers; his suffering makes him a less valuable mate later in life. Him being a loser with women means your genes die.

    If you’ve already chosen to have no more kids, then you’re as out of the game of survival almost as much as someone who jerks off to 5 tb of long nail porn.


  145. doug -

    then the women do all the work while the men fuck around. ala that africa scenario that was thrown out earlier.


  146. too late for romance

    she’s got a time bomb in her hands. we are trying to minimize the damage.


  147. on May 22, 2009 at 5:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Jesus look at all these guys for child support no wonder guys getting reamed the edumucateds want it that way and think it is great and necesary.


  148. on May 22, 2009 at 5:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    rains not taking child support. She is a 100,000 times better than the bitch who leaves the man and goes on a crusade to destroy him.


  149. I want to say something for balance, getting back to Roissy’s post as opposed to dealing with Lady Rain as an example of what we need to return to shaming.

    Sometimes you need to build a woman up, and help her feel more confident, or calmer, or hopeful, or trusting.

    Sometimes that can make her oh so attracted to you, and wanting to be within your sun.

    What you really need is for her to feel you have:

    the power to giveth

    and the power to taketh away

    In the ebb and flow of her emotions.

    (The Bible. Someplace.)

    PS Roissy naturally focuses on what our media and educational culture DOESN’T tell men, not what it does. Most men know all about reassuring women and do it to excess. All I’m doing is adding some balance to some alpha theorists sometimes getting carried away. Or to women misreading the overall message.


  150. on May 22, 2009 at 5:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    if this is true story and she was not against the man seeing his kid and she doesn’t need child support or alimony. Then there is no drawback to marrying her and giving it a go to see if it would work. She would be a perfect woman for marriage in the states right now.


  151. Doug:

    Yes, there is that other side. A lot of men go too far with the emotionally distant asshole thing. They get more girls than all too emotionally available, reassuring betas, but acting that way can cause long term relationship problems.


  152. Gunslingergregi

    if this is true story and she was not against the man seeing his kid and she doesn’t need child support or alimony. Then there is no drawback to marrying her and giving it a go to see if it would work. She would be a perfect woman for marriage in the states right now.

    *sigh*


  153. @doug1

    “What you really need is for her to feel you have:

    the power to giveth

    and the power to taketh away”

    Very true. Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time. Yes, there are women who will inevitably stay with men like this, but there are plenty who won’t.


  154. on May 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    What redcal we have been talking about men who get fucked over after marriage and sold as slaves to child support and alimony and that is why people will be avoiding marriage. Also have heard many stories of woman who make it extremlely difficult for a man to see his kids. In rains case the man chooses his involvement. If he want to give money and time he can if he doesn’t knowone is placing a monkey on his back. Now all of the sudden the wish of the perfect divorce comes true and people are complaining. What the fuck is the problem?

    They where going to be seperated anyway. This could have just been a really ugly one.


  155. @doug, Thursday – agreed, and that is what I was getting at in a different way. the ego-evisceration neg can come across as cruel if it’s not lightened with wit and flirting context. my experience is that asshole game and asshole behavior attracts a certain kind of woman: more submissive, lower self-esteem, more keyed onto the seed-provider kind of masculinity than other aspects. but it’s roissy’s experience that asshole game works on most women because it calls out those traits in all of them. my head says he is right but my experience says otherwise.


  156. Ironweights, dude, did you got scooped!?! http://tinyurl.com/onfrhe


  157. on May 22, 2009 at 6:04 pm Default User

    kim

    Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time.

    As doug1 showed many men do understand that.

    A lot of game is about good guys getting back their masculine edge. It is deprogramming us of the wrong headed advice of society (and yes, you women).

    There is an element of posturing with Roissy and some of the posters here.

    I hope that is clear, you dumb broad. ……… :)


  158. I’ve been thinking about the impact of these kinds of effects for months, from reading here at Roissy’s.

    As well, what women excel at in the workplace primarily is being dutiful diligent followers — including at very high levels of expertise. How much important stuff is really invented by women? I’m not just talking engineering and science here. In all fields, outside literature and a few arts.

    If there isn’t a big field of men ambitiously working away in the trenches from which some really inventive and creative ones emerge, will we have the same level of invention?

    Yes you and I are both talking about things that are so far only happening on the margins (aside from things like illegitimacy *shudder*), but what if this as you say snowballs? Men dropping out from being career ambitious that is, except in obvious chic magnet stuff like acting and being rock stars.

    Doug1 —

    It’s happening already. It’s reflected in college grad rates. That is going to ripple through the society in the next 10-15 years as there are markedly fewer men in the upper part of the economy. It’s on the margins now, but it won’t be in 10-15 years. It’s expected that soon women will be ~65% of college grads, meaning almost twice as many as men. The result of that huge disparity — one which has been noted but which the feminist establishment seems determined to keep in place and in fact make worse in the years ahead — is that relatively few of these educated women will be able to find mates … as we know, women are hypergamous and most would prefer to be alone than with a man who is lower in status than they are. The result of that will be women deciding either to not have children, or to become single mothers by choice. In the first case, the birth rate plummets even more than it already has. In the second case, the birth rate will shrink, but less. But in either case, it means a lot of men, perhaps the majority, will not be fathers, or will be fathers who are not living with their kids.

    The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on. It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    There is no way out of that problem. Currently the white birth rate in the US is around 1.6. No civilization has ever survived when the rate drops below 1.8. I expect that due to the economic demographic described above, the rate will drop .. perhaps as low to 1.3. Of course the overall birth rate is higher, but all that means is that the culture of the US is heading towards a massive shift away from what it is today — much less educated, much more underclass … much more like Brazil.


  159. on May 22, 2009 at 6:08 pm Default User

    maurice

    To play asshole game well, it probably helps to be a bit of an asshole.

    However, most men can add some edge to their presentation because of their chivalrous/nice guy habits.


  160. Thursday — Mornings are crunch time. Stuff out to bid, rest of that garbage.

    I’m here off and on. Argue away.


  161. Lady Rain, hard ugly truth.

    Acting like Roissy suggests is EXACTLY how to succeed with women. It’s called A-hole game and it WORKS. Like gangbusters.

    Women love the A-holes, even though they don’t want to admit it. Just as guys don’t like to admit T/A is about 90% of their criteria.

    Yeah, it’s ugly. Get used to it. Men are not going to show you deference or CARE about you one way or another. Why should they? A-holes have sex (because women reward this) and those without are not going to care.

    You don’t like the fall of men being “nice” to women? Too bad. This was inevitable when women slept with the bad boys and had “nice” guys put in the “gay” box.

    Your son, btw, is statistically likely to have far more problems in life than a boy who grew up in a two parent family, with the biological father married to the mother. You know this, correct? Statistics are not destiny, and factors like upper class wealth and so on can help, but it’s definitely a factor. Don’t be shocked if your son turns into either Roissy or some guy who resents women immensely, ala Rorschach in Watchmen. [As a single mother you realize you better be UBER hot along the lines of say, Megan Fox, to have any value in the brutal long term relationship market. You can certainly find pump-and-dump guys, but all that will do is teach your son some fairly negative, though realistic, assessments of women.]

    You are delusional (and fairly selfish btw) if you think an occasional visit from Grandpa, who is not likely to be around for most of the kid’s life, will substitute for 24/7 Father in a home.

    In fact you are indeed Exhibit A in my thesis, that most women would prefer single motherhood, to maximize sexual variety and so on, rather than settle down with a boring old “nice” guy in a monogamous marriage. Various chaotic, short-lived, purely sexual relationships seem the norm and that’s certainly the case with your own life if it’s described accurately.

    Given what you (and many/most younger women offer): a series of short-term chaotic and purely sexual relationships, why would you expect men in general to invest in you (you are in economic terms a short-term car rental). This also applies to your son, HIS reproductive success will be based (along with his happiness) in banging as many women as possible in short-term pump and dump relationships. Or he can be an angry, loner, bitter beta like Rorschach. [Your son's DNA is half-thug, and half one who preferred a thug. It's highly unlikely you did not know well that your son's father was a thug, the tattoos, the violent behavior, etc. were certainly no secret and probably a turn on.]

    For the record, I don’t think you are a “whore” or a “slut” or anything but a woman who obviously put her short-term sexual desires over what was best for her child: a loving and monogamous marriage to a good man who would be a good husband and father.

    I am utterly unsurprised by the negative reaction to you by the men here. Again if you want men to invest in women generally, they need to have “skin in the game.” Stakeholders. And intermittent “nice guy” shoulders to cry on after the latest bad boy fling are not going to cut it. ONLY a realistic prospect of monogamous marriage and exclusive fatherhood of all your kids are (on a wider male-female model) are going to create wide/deep investment in women that produce male politeness, deference, and chivalry which you obviously expect and is dead as your kid’s prospect for his biological father to be his mother’s loving, good husband.

    Yes most criminals come from single mothers. That is indeed fact.


  162. If you meet this babe you will need your A game. However, I think she might be worth it.

    Her hair is Harlowe gold,
    Her lips sweet surprise
    Her hands are never cold,

    She’s pure as New York snow,
    She got Bette Davis eyes

    But how could you resist?


  163. @def – right, I’m not an asshole myself, and that type of game is not my style. but I see asshole game guys get blown out or even laughed at in certain bars in DC. it’s supposed to work regardless of education, etc. but it doesn’t always. (of course, an asshole alpha cares nothing for rejection..) that’s why i think a man has to adopt the principles of game to his personality. think of the msot famous PUAs who launched this movement: Ross Jefferies? Nerdy, insecure. Mystery? Attention-whore, flamboyant. Style? Cool, intellectual. Are all these traits related to asshole-dom? No. But they display *other* aspects of male alpha-dom (well, maybe not RJ – although he does have a strong, funny presence). Roissy’s asshole game works for him, and the strong frame of his posts on the subject tend to line up followers, comments, haters, etc. but it’s not the whole story, and it won’t necessarily work for every guy or every female.


  164. For all the men here. You know it is true that Every 1’s a Winner

    For the ladies this might be true.
    [Chic noir: Don't get a swelled head, it is just the name of the band :) ]

    Roissy asked me to pass on this message to the women older than 25 years. This is, I am afraid, true


  165. I too am scratching my head a bit after observing Lady Rain’s comments and overall vibe; she has not laidout a clear, cogent, detailed argument as to why she disagrees w/Roissy’s approach. Doing so would at the least, show her to be the sensible, reasoned person she herself has purported to be. Instead, she has basically personally attacked the “man”-in this case, Roissy-instead of his argument. Moreover, she has attacked others.

    Now, in fairness, it could be argued that she too has been attacked personally, ie, “slut” and so on. Duly noted.

    But here’s where I’m having difficulty-why is she here? To what end? For who? For what?
    A major component of Game is Evolutionary Pyschology & Biology, the study of human adaptations to the Earth’s varied environments, first physically, and then behaviorally, particularly as it relates to mating and reproduction. PUAs study these key insights in order to better exploit them for their benefit, namely, discovering and then playing to Women’s age-old “triggers” of attraction insofar as mating is concerned. And in case Lady Rain or anyone else takes exception to such a strategy, keep in mind please, that Women have long made use of similar “triggers” for Men-indeed, there is a worldwide business that makes revenues that dwarfs the US Pentagon’s defence spending budget per annum-which is larger than all the other developed nation’s defence budgets, *combined*. Think about that.
    What Roissy has spoken to in this post, is what are known in the community commonly as “Negs” carefully planted, back-handed compliments designed to both demonstrate higher value as a Male, while at the same time lowering the Female’s perceived (or indeed, real) value). Now, why does this even work (and trust me Lady Rain, it DOES work)?

    Well, that’s because Women want it to-they don’t get attracted to Men whom they see as needing them, or being needy in general, for that matter. Women prefer to partner, for a night or a lifetime, with a Man they see as “bigger”, “better” and more “powerful” than them.

    Now Lady Rain, you’ve registered your displeasure at Roissy’s comments and Roissy himself. But perhaps your arguments would have longer legs if you could explain explicitly why, Negging does not work? W/case examples, other than your own anecdotal example, please? Because I think it fair to say, that the majority of the Men in attendance, can tell you, w/o fear of reprisal or correction, that in the main, Negs DO work. Again, and again.

    If I may Lady Rain, by your own testimony, freely offered by you I might add, doesn’t acquit you well, w/all due respect, nor have your subsequent comments, including those about your father, give an impression of right teaching on his part, or of right thinking or action on yours, insofar as the focus of this forum is concerned. To wit:

    You are a single mother.

    You are such because of poor choices made on your behalf.

    Your son has, by all accounts, a much more difficult road to Manhood as a result, even assuming his grandfather is around long enough to see him grow to manhood.

    These few facts alone, call into serious question the veracity of *any* comments or statements you have made, or are likely to make in the future. Please, do not take this as a personal dig, it is not. Just tallying the facts as you have laid them out.

    You are not, and by all accounts, have no intention to marry

    Nor has your record as you’ve reported it shown an ability to keep a LTR going (personally I’ve averaged about 3 yrs, currently in 1 for 6 years, another soon 2 be a year, and have dated one Woman more than a decade)

    I trust you see my point.

    While it is largely true, Women do have an inherent edge in the mating game-tht of being able to get sex/dick pretty much anytime they ant it-that does come with a bit of fine print. One, is it assumes that said Woman is at least desirable enough to avoid the 20% of all Women who ever lived who failed to reproduce, for whatever reason. Sure, reproduction does not necessarily mean sex, although anyone who’s honest would have to admit that it is a decent proxy for it. Another is Age-in the main, once a Woman hits 35 or so, on average, her better reproductive days are behind her, and w/it, her ability to command attention from the choicest Males in the field. Now, that might not happen to you, and for what it’s worth I’m rootin’ for ya. But I wouldn’t be honest if I didn’t tell you the deal here, straight up. Which leads me to something Roissy alluded to but didn’t explicity speak to…

    And key strength Men have is, quite frankly, we have a wider margin of error, than do Women-and hence why some member’s remarks saying that your son’s father is the actual evolutionary winner between the two of you. This is because, not only has he successfully put his genes into the future w/minimal to no investment on his part, but at any time he can turn his life around and startup another family. Indeed, we see this all the time-please note how often divorced Men remarry, versus divorced Women. You’re not married, I know, but we can say the same of cohabiting couples. In fact, even moreso, since it is a known fact that they tend to be inherently more unstable than marriages, even in our time.

    So, when Roissy says that Men 35 and up have an easier go of mating w/choicer females than the other way around, he’s telling the truth in the broadest of terms, in the main, on average. Again, you may beat the odds-its happened before. My Dad once hit for more than 100K at Atlantic City. But that was a fluke. It would be foolish to bank on such a “strategem”.

    I am not certain what your ethnic/racial makeup is Lady Rain, but as an African American I can tell you where your path almost invariably leads, moe often than not, among Black folk. Trust me, it will get harder and harder to contend w/a Manchild as he enters the dog days of his teenage years. And w/no father figure around-apparently at your behest-it is a recipe for disaster. Now, if you’re White, and perhaps middle class, the latter of which you seem to be, perhaps you’ll be able to mitigate against what we know about this from Black America. But if trends measured in White America-White, suburban America-are any indication, Black America becomes the canary in the coalmine, rather than some social and demographic aberration.

    I trust you can see my point.

    And I wish you well.

    The Obsidian


  166. This is the most fucking disturbing thing I’ve ever seen. Holy shit, some of things posted are just so mindblowingly misogynist that it just makes my head spin.


  167. Default User,

    I used the word “some” so that it was clear I didn’t think everyone thought that. So I think I made it pretty clear that I understood it wasn’t all men, yea?

    Broad…I can commend you on stepping out of the usual “feminist” or “slut” or “whore,” so kudos for creativity :)


  168. With all this talk of game, remember to Put a Little Love in Your Heart


  169. on May 22, 2009 at 6:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    asshole game:

    you my woman get me off to nurse chick

    chick that is quite a statement! a bold one to, cuz I didn’t even know I had a man.

    me: you still talkin bout shit that ain’t sexy baby.

    Major time pause with me not making any response.

    chick So, you just want my lips around your dick.

    ironies of life.


  170. David Alexander

    I know you have no interest in game but you can always Drive all night

    or even Drive all night with Cyndi Lauper (Not sure if she has nails).


  171. on May 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm Default User

    Normal service resumes.

    Have a great weekend.


  172. on May 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm Default User

    maurice

    I agree, you need to adapt game principles to your own personality.


  173. on May 22, 2009 at 6:43 pm Default User

    kim

    I used the word “some” so that it was clear I didn’t think everyone thought that. So I think I made it pretty clear that I understood it wasn’t all men, yea?

    I got the “some” but wanted to reinforce the point for those that might not.

    And that is enough of your backchat. The last thing I need is some dame giving me a headache.
    [even if she recognizes my creativity]


  174. on May 22, 2009 at 6:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    even american bitches will feed me:

    chick if i could go breakfast lunch and dinner and snack time i’d be set

    me eat in bed but you got to feed me.

    chick that;s a good workout!!! ;o)
    I could do that

    “”"”"”After i explained how i like to fuck all fucking day and various positions.”"”"”"”"


  175. Gig– I admit I am extremely confused as to this quote of yours:

    “Lady, one more to you. It is to much coincidence that in the same month when the heart attack stuff and the jerk’s marriage were told me, you appeared in this forum”

    (I have no idea what this means or what you are referring to therefore I cannot answer it)

    Also gig I am not retarded and realize he has 50% his father’s genes and I keep a very close watch to see overly aggressive behavior as he is only 5 at this point. Other than being abusive, his father was not a “criminal” at any point in his life. Also as for looks/physical side of the gene pool, if he looks like that won’t bother me and physically his “father” was in very good shape, a handsome guy, and never EVER got sick so there were some bonuses there that I’m grateful for. Also a child doesnt’ become a criminal just because they’re from a single parent whether male or female. Let’s be honest here…. it’s because a single parent obviously has one less set of eyes on the child and they may get into more trouble (crime). I’m well aware these things are possible which is why I live in a very small suburb now and moved out of the city to avoid the crime and the bad schools there. We don’t even have to lock our doors here, so environmentally speaking there’s not much worry.

    Racer X– um thanks but no thanks.

    Too late for romance: well if you want my son to mow your lawn you’ll have to teach him because I have never mowed a lawn in my life and certainly wouldn’t be able to show my son how to, lol!

    On your second attempted insult, I suppose a single mother should be out getting drunk and partying on a Friday as opposed to being home spending time with my son? Way to contradict yourself.

    Steve: I am not going to talk to you anymore if you keep repeating things that I already stated above a milllion times. Please try to pay attention if you’re going to post such long messages.

    Your very first example is retarded because I already explained that my ex from a year ago is waiting with baited breath to get married and be a dad (don’t ask me why) and even without getting any sex from me, he still runs around and tries to do everything for me (which is annoying) and he is well aware that I will never be with him again (since I have told him a million times). If I was looking for a “beta” I believe this particular ex would fit your description and that means I already have that option and am choosing NOT to act on it.

    Second we already covered a million times that YES I made a bad choice in men and had a son with him by choice. I’m not arguing that and seriously we’ve gone over this a million times already. Every person posting here has made a “bad choice” in dating or else they wouldn’t be here. You are not “above me” for simply pointing out a mistake that I’ve already owned up to.

    Third, you say “if she’s telling the truth about being abused”. Well exactly HOW would someone prove something like that??? I can’t and you know it so either assume I’m telling the truth or ignore me altogether because no one can “prove” such a thing on the internet.

    Also just for the sake of fun I’ll tell you that I’m not the kind of woman who could “move a man to hit a woman” for the usual reasons a guy has. I am not violent, I don’t throw things at men and yell and scream and I’ve never hit a man because I feel that a woman abusing a man is just as bad as vice versa, so its’ not like his life was in danger or something like that. If I’m angry I’m the type to shut down and be silent and look through the person I’m angry at without seeing them at all.

    Gunslinger– I am clearly damned either way for some on here.


  176. Default User,

    You initiated the backchat, my friend. My original post was just supporting doug’s, not really arguing anything. You brought it upon yourself!


  177. on May 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    ok folks at this point this bitch will do just about any fucking thing i want her to and I havn’t even fucked her yet


  178. There Obsidian goes again… being all reasonable and such.

    Pet Peeve: the phrase “father figure”

    The phrase implies that any guy can serve as a father substitute. This just is not true. It is by daily observance that sons learn to be men from their fathers, who have authority over their children. The authority part is important; mom’s new boyfriend/husband/whatever does not have any sort of genuine authority over her kids, by and large, and the kids know it.


  179. on May 22, 2009 at 6:54 pm Default User

    kim

    Just to be clear. I was joking in my “backchat” responses.


  180. kim–

    Very true. Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time.

    Pretty awesome all around, aren’t I?

    You know you might have a window of opportunity here while someone is being all diligent about upcoming exams.

    But don’t tell Bhetti. Who never reads here these days.


  181. on May 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    After i fuck this bitch for 7 days straight i can tell her to jump she will ask how high. I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings


  182. Capt. Napalm,
    Yea, I admit it, I’m a glutton for punishment, lol. I keep wanting to believe in people’s ability to *reason*, just on a commonsense level. One need not have read Burke or Locke here. Just a reasonable, rational case to be made, is all I’m asking.

    Oh, well. We have to keep believing in the human capacity to reason. We have no choice. ;)

    O


  183. Obsidian,

    that’s your first mistake. thinking everyone can be rational. i once thought that, as well. get over it, you’ll be happier.


  184. Obsidian (in another thread) –
    I’m not a big fan of fake boobs.

    Officially now, Obsidian is cool in my book.


  185. Obsidian,

    I’m surprised you posted without reading some things here. I direct my comments at Roissy, not at all “men” and I have specifically stated several times that I don’t think women are better than men or vice versa so I don’t know why you would say that.

    More importantly I have never stated that the “game” doesn’t work! The game is based on what to many people is basic psychology for both men and women with slightly different approach. Even if you were to isolate just ONE thing in psychology and said “okay I’m going to try some behavioral conditioning on my dog” it would WORK, per say.

    Creating an allusion of “he must be acting like this because he has tons of other options” is not something new in the dating world.

    So my point on that is NOT that I think Roissy’s ideas don’t work. I’m sure they work and work often. What I have a problem with is people taking tips based on psychology to “help a not so charming dude get laid” and using it as the basis for how to form ALL relationships with women in their lives whether short term or otherwise. There are more than a few men here who clearly have taken dating tips to a chest-pounding, all-consuming, “live for my dick” attitude that just isn’t healthy in the long-run no matter WHAT gender you may be.

    There is nothing wrong with a person choosing to live their life with only casual sexual relationships and things of the sort. However, any person who functions MOSTLY on tiny white lies and misrepresenting themselves to “get by” IS creating problems for themselves and is also living at the expense of the feelings of others (even when it’s someone who never did anything to you). THAT is the part I have a problem with. The sweeping generalizations and men who have turned something like “the game” into a way to get revenge on all women everywhere. THAT is taking it much too far and there are clearly a few guys here who truly just want to HURT women just to HURT them. I have a problem with ANYONE who lives likes this. I hate women who are gold-diggers and live off the generosity of others in the same way.

    Also Obsidian I am not irrational enough to think that there are NO negatives to being a single mom, however so far I have done very well in giving him the same kind of life any other kid has (ie: as normal and comfortable as possible). I have already stated that I know being a single parent isn’t “ideal”, but I am a very motivated person and I can honestly say I have never failed at anything I actually put effort into (I sort of come from a family that demands no less than perfection) I was never abused as a child, got excellent grades right through college, and have held down jobs consistently since the age of 14. The chances of me allowing myself to “fail” as a mother are slim in the way of thinking if I just go with the flow, things will be fine. I expect no less from my son than I would from any other able-bodied, educated person. Also, since you asked I am a white woman and my son is white as well.


  186. Default,

    Does that mean you want more backchat then..?

    Doug,

    I had my exams last month, although the UK university that I’m at is kind of a joke compared to where I go in the US, which isn’t even a great school in the first place, so I didn’t really have to study much, which was nice.

    And yes, pretty awesome. What this blog really needs is more Bible-like quoting haha.


  187. on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Live game seminar ongoing.
    Now i just met this chick today:

    me I’d like to see you suck the cum out then spit it in your hand then lick it off slow

    chick I prefer 2 have u cum and lick it off ur dick or have u come in my mouth while I swallow

    me which makes you a good girl i want you to be the best me now do like i said

    chick Lmao

    chick Ok, so u cum in my mouth, I spit it into my hand, & slowly, slowly,slowly lick it all up

    me aww little cutie

    chick Mmmmmmmm

    While I am lickin u all up, u stick 2 fingers in my pussy. & start 2 finger fuck me


  188. novaseeker

    There is no way out of that problem.

    Sure there is.

    Overthrow the government and repeal by fiat the amendment giving women the right to vote. Then with the resulting electorate, ratify it.

    Neither idea had ever crossed my mind, which I mean literally, before coming here. And being here a lot.

    I’m not saying that’s where I am. I’m saying don’t tell me there’s no way out.

    I do creative and invention all the time.


  189. Lady –

    why are you spending time here, again? answer the question.

    i’m still at a loss what you seek to gain from reading and debating.


  190. on May 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny, time to keep the ADD on the DL


  191. Great post Roissy, great. I truly have to digest it, and I have so many questions that I don’t even know where to start.


  192. Mr. M,
    LOL, Brown Sugah was just saying the very same thing to me the other day-she says I’m way too logical for my own good, lol. But you know, as I get just a weebit older and wiser, so much pain in our lives could be avoided, or at least lessened, if we took a page outta Spock’s book so to speak. I’m not talking about bein an android here, just saying to use our heads for a little more than a hatrack, you get me?

    *sigh*

    O


  193. The chances of me allowing myself to “fail” as a mother are slim in the way of thinking if I just go with the flow, things will be fine. I expect no less from my son than I would from any other able-bodied, educated person.

    Word to the wise, you may be unaware that a boy growing up needs a male in the house. For all I know, maybe his development needs the testosterone in the air. I know my wife sometimes says that she suddenly feels calmer when I come back from work. “It must be the smell of man I finally feel in the room” she says.

    Also, he needs to have a male role model. Ideally, someone he can emulate. But evel less ideally, someone who he can use as a guide in how NOT to be. You don’t sound like a trashy woman and for that reason, I’d advise you, for the boy’s sake, to get yourself a husband. Doesn’t matter if he’s a beta.

    Or if understandably a beta is unacceptable, then some older divorced guy with alpha qualities, whom you can give a child too.

    Without a man in the house, your boy will either become a terror to you, or a momma’s boy pussy, once he’s a teenager.


  194. Overthrow the government and repeal by fiat the amendment giving women the right to vote. Then with the resulting electorate, ratify it.

    Neither idea had ever crossed my mind, which I mean literally, before coming here. And being here a lot.

    I’m not saying that’s where I am. I’m saying don’t tell me there’s no way out.

    @Doug1 –

    Okay, I meant “realistic” way out. :)


  195. O,

    I hear you man. Don’t get me wrong in that i think being emotional (irrational) is the way to go. Its not. Emotions have its purpose, but many people can’t turn them off (or, control them) when they need to.

    That’s what causes the problems.


  196. On a side note, emotional responses is pretty much what makes game so successful.


  197. dumb bitches.


  198. No wiser point has Obsidian made than African-Americans are the canary in the American coal mine.

    I find Lady Rain’s denials of any possibility of enhanced bad outcome from both genes and single motherhood fascinating. Women know, and know well, the enhanced outcomes for boys: lower grades, lower educational achievement, far more likely to be convicted of a crime, far more likely to become an abuser, far more likely to be a drug abuser.

    This holds true EVEN for people in the Middle Class. [Upper class people by and large are almost NEVER single parents, the few celebutards far outweighed by old money and the Bill Gates types. The risk of the next generation falling down is just too great.]

    What is it that women want? Lady Rain is a good example, after basic security needs are met by either grandparents/the State/etc., it’s as many exciting, dominant, Alpha men as possible, and kids on their own terms.

    In short, most women IMHO are like Lady Rain, and would willingly sacrifice their children’s long term outcomes for short term romantic/sexual pleasure. Duh! Women generally have a shorter future time orientation, whenever basic needs are met.

    Lady Rain is not a “slut” or a “whore.” She is the future of American womanhood. If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Because this is the female sexual utopia.


  199. If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Having a newborn boy, these thoughts are never far from my mind. I’m not one to give in to despair over which way society is going, but at the same time, I know which way the wind is blowing.


  200. PA,

    Ugh. Honestly, both of those options would be really rough for me for two reasons above all else:

    1. I HATE hearing about people’s feelings (no matter what gender) and am often accused of being “cold” because I’m not very emotional and tend to come off an uncaring when it’s more just that I was raised in a family who believes that showing emotion is showing weakness which also plays into my “discomfort” when someone wants to get real lovey and emotional– therefore the thought of a long term beta crying in my ears makes me want to poke my eardrums out in preparation.

    2. The option of a more Alpha-but older divorcee is equally horrifying because I am very very prone to dating guys who are either my age or at least 5 years younger. I have never dated a guy who was even slightly older than me because I can admit I’m shallow and an older man’s look just doesn’t do anything for me!

    If these are the choices I’ll take beer and video games instead please!


  201. Does anyone else think Lady is on this board because she knows that she has 0 dating value/capacity left? And is just commiserating about it online?


  202. on May 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm Default Untitled

    untitled kim

    Does that mean you want more backchat then..?

    Hey, have at it, if you want. Run your best bratty/bitchy (female cocky/funny) game on me.

    Out of curiosity I checked your blog. You should post that “stop taking my shit” note here:
    http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/


  203. Lady Rain, like I implied, you don’t sound stupid or trashy. So don’t act like you are. You have a son. It’s time to quit being a high school girl. The time for that was over when you got pregnant and chose to keep the child.

    For the boy’s sake, be a mother and do the right thing.


  204. on May 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol tupac from the field today little excercise for the young studs in the room about how to get what you want from a woman and this is pretty much any woman that goes home with you.


  205. Mr. M–

    Well I already answered as to HOW I ended up here and the reason for me being here is pretty much what you just said. I like to read, I like to debate, and I find human nature interesting. I wish there was a deep dark motive that sounds way more interesting, but I’m a single mom and I spend my weekends either at home or with a couple of friends as opposed to going out and getting shitfaced or something like that.


  206. @Whiskey –

    Another great post.

    What is it that women want? Lady Rain is a good example, after basic security needs are met by either grandparents/the State/etc., it’s as many exciting, dominant, Alpha men as possible, and kids on their own terms.

    In short, most women IMHO are like Lady Rain, and would willingly sacrifice their children’s long term outcomes for short term romantic/sexual pleasure. Duh! Women generally have a shorter future time orientation, whenever basic needs are met.

    She’s kind of a poster child for your theory of women, I’d agree, W. Almost to a tee, really. And in the age range where I think your theory applies best, too.

    If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Or … avoid. I mean genetic destiny isn’t everything. You can have a nice life and not pass on your genes.


  207. I think she’s fascinated by the site. Came here from a comedy site thinking it was a joke, and got pulled in to the truth and power of our arguments. even the hostile ones contained valid points relevant to her life. stick around sweetie! and you are already starting to write better — another positive influence after only a few days.


  208. on May 22, 2009 at 7:29 pm Tupac Chopra

    Nova:

    The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on. It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    I’ve given a lot of thought to the dilemma facing us all in the Westernized nations.

    After much painful deliberation in my mind, I have come to what may be called Tupac’s Final Solution.

    We must — simply must — marshall all of our available resources and technology. We need to gather the strength of will to do things that in earlier times might have been considered unthinkable.

    With this steely resolve and renewed vigor, we will — by government fiat, if need be — acquire the services of one Alias Clio. We will throw all available fertility technology at the problem. With such a *prime* specimen of caucasianosity, intelligence and beauty in our hands, the program to repopulate the world with right thinking children will begin forthwith.

    IVF will allow us to salvage her spectacular, one-of-a-kind eggs, and with the assistance of certain right-thinking alphas on this blog, we could concievably fertilize enough eggs in enough time to possibly create a Brave New World, with Alias Clio serving as the new Eve, representing a singularity in the evolution of humanity to a new level of organization.

    While the incubation of the eggs would necessarily be done via the latest technology to maximize numerical potential, I feel that — as a sort of hat-tip to the old world order — the fertilization should be done in the traditional manner.

    I call dibs.


  209. I am very very prone to dating guys who are either my age or at least 5 years younger. I have never dated a guy who was even slightly older than me

    @LR —

    So babydaddy was 18-23? Wow. That was a really bad decision, then, indeed.


  210. http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/47614/roissy-in-dc/0

    here is the link to the thread lady rain came from . i think she is wendy leigh. check a pic of her out. u guys should read it. i wonder who the guy is in that thread defending roissy. yabe he posts here


  211. sorry. misspelling. i meant i bet he posts here. damn there are some serious roissy haters in that thread. good for laughs.


  212. Lady –

    I take it you missed my earlier comment, which i already differentiated between why and how.

    dumb bitch

    i’m curious then, if you’re here in some sort of academic measure (to learn about human nature), then why are you so up in arms about people learning as well?


  213. Lady Rain,
    Listening to one of my faves, Lisa Stansfield, while reading your comments. Pardon the delay in my own reply to you.

    Ok, it appears that you take issue w/two aspects of Game, for lack of a better word: one, its seeming focus on “living for one’s dick”; and two, its apparent misogyny.

    Let’s examine these points in turn.

    Like you, there are those who wrongly assume that Game is geared for primarily multiple, short term sexual relationships. This is a grave misunderstanding of what Game is, and indeed, in the archives of this very venue, Roissy himself makes it very clear that it is quite possible to employ the tenets of Game within the confines of a longterm, monogamous relationship or even marriage. Indeed, members of the forum, such as Dave From Hawaii, PA, Doug and others, have written about just this at considerable length.

    As for the Game=Misogyny “equation”, I beg to differ w/those who make such a connection; insofar as I am concerned, it is inaccurate. Game is not value laden, it is *amoral*-it is what the practitioner wants it to be, good or bad. W/o question, great evil can be done in the name of Game, and the reverse is also true, tremendous good can come from Game, which, personally, is why Players, from the in it for the longhaul types like Dave From Hawaii to Men like Roissy, have a duty to make the distinction and to do what they/we can to nudge younger Men on the “white side of the Force” if you will.

    I do not cotton to the idea that Game is inherently misogynist, or that Game invariably makes one a misogynist; as noted above, Game in itself, is devoid of such aims. What I think is, that if a Man already sees Women in a certain dehumanizing light, his learning and subsequent application of Game will be such that it will be consistent w/his misogynistic views and beliefs. But the two are not intrinsically linked.

    I have gone on record, in this forum, publicly, that learning has given me a much deeper appreciation for Women since learning Game, not less. They cannot help being attracted to a dominant Male anymore than Men cannot help being attracted by a Woman w/a hourglass figure. In other words, Game posits that these “triggers’ of attracted are in-born in us – what Game does, insofar as Women are concerned, is teach Men how to push those attraction buttons in a Woman. Whether the button pusher respects or even likes Women, is a matter completely seperate from Game itself.

    Any questions?

    O


  214. While the incubation of the eggs would necessarily be done via the latest technology to maximize numerical potential, I feel that — as a sort of hat-tip to the old world order — the fertilization should be done in the traditional manner.

    I call dibs.

    Hehe, I like that one. :)


  215. Alias Clio serving as the new Eve

    With her Polish and French ancestry? What a glorious new beginning that would be.

    And what are you Tupac? Anglo/Spaniard in parentage, as you once implied? That would be a good rounding out of Clio’s Romantic heritage with your empire-building one.


  216. O,

    just don’t. don’t. no.


  217. You men are so happy with even a sniff of pussy on this blog you will waste your intelligence responding to L.R’s diatribe. Beta behaviour? Just askin…
    (Aoefe = EeeFah and I’m a chick masquerading as a chick)


  218. Default,

    Thanks for the suggestion, I sent it in! I had never seen that website before so I’ll have to go back later and skim through it a bit.

    We’ll engage in some more backchat later…right now I need to go to bed and try to catch up on sleep!


  219. Gunslinger:

    “I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings”

    your command would be more impressive if she dove off w/o the wings.


  220. on May 22, 2009 at 7:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    when i am finished i treat em nice

    never use your only use you

    you such a cutie


  221. @obs – good stuff.

    @lady rain – if you are wendy leigh (writing style a strong clue), and that is your pic, you are attractive enough to explain your view that any woman can get laid at any time. not true for fat/old/ugly, though. most women in their prime years can get laid any time they want – that window is shorter than you think, though. See roissy’s point about men having better mating options at much older ages.

    kudos to you for coming here and checking out the site for yourself, notwithstanding the grouphate on the Cracked site. Seriously, “Cracked” ?!?!? It’s for pre-teens – I didn’t even think it existed any more. congratulations on your move to a more adult environment.


  222. on May 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    chick Thanks

    Thanks again. My duty 4 my country has been met. Lol

    I give her props she was a nice american chick there may be hope.


  223. on May 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Please everybody.

    You’re proving yourself Beta by letting a single mother hijack a thread. We all know the issues involved in that and we also should know single mothers are physically incapable of understanding said issues.

    Instead, can we build on what Roissy originally wrote??? Here is my contribution. I’d like to see more HELPFUL NEG IDEAS, not single mom bullshit.

    Her: What are you listening to.

    Me: Bon Iver.

    Her: I’ve never heard of them?!

    Me: Oh well, it’s some new indie stuff — you’re probably too mature for that scene.

    Her: Hey, I’m not that old!

    Me: I didn’t say you were, but then it was you who didn’t know Bon Iver. Do you know Bon Jovi?

    Her: That I know.

    Me: Well, that’s a start…

    That’s how it’s done. Let’s see more of this.


  224. Nova–

    ummm since I was 23 when I was pregnant then yes it makes sense that my ex was 23 also. I don’t think most found that to be as confusing as you seemed to.

    Whiskey–

    If you had read before insulting you’d see that no one financially or physically raises my son including the State or his grandparents. He lives with me in my own place. I do not have any State benefits or welfare and my own parents are very much against “giving money” to children (ie: the reason we were made to get jobs at age 14 growing up)

    Please at least check your facts before trying to insult.

    Mr. M–

    Of COURSE it’s interesting! There’s also a crazily feminist blogger that I read and hold a similar interest in because the post are SO ridiculous. (she doesn’t allow comments on hers, though evidently)


  225. http://www.cracked.com/phpimages/members/avatars/2/8/80862_100.jpg?v=7

    thats def HER , if u know what i mean ;) . she capitalizes random words, same tone, everything. interesting. that dude headmaster held his own in that forum defending roissy, he actually comes across, gasp, sophisticated and reasonable !


  226. kim–

    And yes, pretty awesome. What this blog really needs is more Bible-like quoting haha.

    Actually, that response was pretty creative and awesome. You know what I mean. Giving, and covering.


  227. ummm since I was 23 when I was pregnant then yes it makes sense that my ex was 23 also. I don’t think most found that to be as confusing as you seemed to.

    Okay I missed the part where you said he was the same age as you, and cued off of where you said mostly you dated younger men.


  228. on May 22, 2009 at 7:51 pm Default User

    kim the playette

    We’ll engage in some more backchat later…right now I need to go to bed and try to catch up on sleep!

    A takeaway. Very good.

    Girl’s got game.


  229. Days of Broken Arrows,

    agree with the thread hi-jacking.

    but, i disagree that it is somehow beta to speak about, well, whatever you want to speak about, especially in a forum of sorts. it’s kind of silly to generalize every single “interaction” as either alpha or beta, don’t you think?

    granted, if you went to a bar, and just listened to a girl talk and talk and talk while surrounded by 20 guys. okay. THAT’s beta.


  230. Maurice–

    Guilty as charged. Yes I’m Wendy Leigh on there and yes I did discover this blog through there. I assure you that I’m not exactly well liked on there either! A good debate is a good debate, none the less.

    What makes me laugh so much when someone calls me a “feminist” is that I’m by trade a CNC Programmer/Machinist and for anyone who has EVER worked in a “shop” type atmosphere, “betas” are pretty much non-existent and I assure you that a young woman who doesn’t “look the part” of a Machinist such as myself would NEVER be able to keep/hold a job in that industry if I were sensitive to dirty talk, guy stuff, or even mild sexual harassment. It’s not easy to get along with gruff old guys who grew up in an era where even SEEING a woman in a shop was crazy, let alone one who is a trained Machinist. I am around men a very large percent of the time and barely even associate with women (because my job sort of makes that nearly impossible) and the vision of myself at work acting like this “hardcore feminist” I’ve been accused of being is hysterical for that very reason.


  231. on May 22, 2009 at 7:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"There is nothing wrong with a person choosing to live their life with only casual sexual relationships and things of the sort. However, any person who functions MOSTLY on tiny white lies and misrepresenting themselves to “get by” IS creating problems for themselves and is also living at the expense of the feelings of others (even when it’s someone who never did anything to you). “”"”"”

    If you read my dialougue with some chick you will note no lies. I could go to her house and fuck her.


  232. Default

    Thumbs up.


  233. Oscar–

    He was actually fun to debate with (headmaster that is) right up until he posted (allegedly drunk) and started it with this:

    “My life rulz! I made out with this Swedish Bikini Model….”

    I think that comment itself is obvious for the reasons he then got made fun of.

    Also, yes Oscar there is no mistaking my odd style of writing and I often have to switch to the “proper” typing because people find my endless sentences confusing.

    I type the way I think…. one thought on top of the next.


  234. Lady –

    You really do not understand game, and its purpose (its okay, a lot of people dont). Try to read a bit (go through some archives, and other blogs), and try not to type so much.

    Your outrage at what is already in motion does nothing for any party involved.


  235. on May 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Mr.M,

    What you and others have done is played in to Lady Rain’s hand and fed the attention whore in her. And, again, she is not the type of woman any of us should be dating, so yeah that’s Beta.

    Anyway, here’s another example of what Roissy was talking about. The scene is the local mall.

    Her: Hey! How are you.

    Me: Wow, good to see you. I never expected to see you here.

    Her: Um, why? What do you mean?

    Me: Nothing. Just didn’t expect to see you. Anyway, how have you been?

    The subtext: She wasn’t the most stylish dressed and the Mall was the place to go for clothes. She picked this up right away, because her body language got self-conscious (she started unconsciously smoothing out her clothes).

    The funny thing is I did this accidentally in my younger years. I felt bad, but funny enough it worked.

    It would be great if all y’all would get with this instead of arguing sociology like Rush Limbaugh on a bad bad.


  236. If you guys do want to debate ladyrain and what not, it would be much more entertaining and on topic over at the cracked forum. Who’s game?


  237. The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on.

    This has, in fact, been the subject of many a news story in Finland lately.

    It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    But not this.


  238. Obsidian,

    yes and that is why my “hate” is typically directed at Roissy himself and not everyone on here. I remember the tv show and it didn’t “bother me” in the slightest. However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Again, the concept itself isn’t upsetting because we are all guilty of some sort of “psychological game” in almost everything we as humans do! However, using this to make things a little easier is a lot different than using this to wage an imaginary war on one sex is both immature and creepy.

    Do not mistakenly think I’m claiming to be an innocent woman who has never played “mind games” but I also know in the end using this as a lifestyle instead of an occasional buffer is destructive for the people they are manipulating and also for themselves. Let’s face it, truly hating one gender/race/culture as a whole breeds nothing but more hate.


  239. Days,

    It’s beta only if someone wanted to date her, and pine for her affection and attention. See, I don’t get how people can be critical of an internet-based interaction; who gives a shit?

    I read some of the comments on those cracked.com forums – I also find it funny how apparently 99% of the posters their take Roissy’s word literally. how if roissy takes to insulting a commenter, he’s apparently a “shrieking prepubescent.” so what? its funny.

    also, i get your request for situational negs, but this is stuff that is just done on the fly. i don’t like reading these blogs for “routines” or “one-liners”, but more about mind-set and behavioral theory/observations.


  240. Oh, also sorry if I “hijacked” I certainly didn’t intend to, but it takes a lot of typing to answer the 5 or 6 people who ask me a question.


  241. on May 22, 2009 at 8:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”Chuck
    Gunslinger:

    “I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings”

    your command would be more impressive if she dove off w/o the wings.”"”"”"”"”"”"

    Well yea chuck she would think she was flying till she hit the ground. Why I havn’t actually tried it yet. I may do it one day out a window having previously set up a movie stunt type balloon down below.


  242. However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Welmer is? Hmph. Not my impression of him.

    As for the rest of what you say, what you see here is a rear guard action against the sexual marketplace wrought by feminism and the feminist sexual revolution … and, yes, the women who support feminism, which is almost all women, including women who do not openly label as “feminist”. War has been waged on men for decades. These men have a right to fight back as they wish.


  243. Lady -

    1) your griping will not change roissy or his fans.

    2) did it ever occur that possibly roissy writes a little over the top? with some satire? sarcasm? you know what’s funny about your problem with it? women still decide who they want (to fuck) or not. if you really have a problem, go teach women how to not want an alpha (perceived or genuine).


  244. on May 22, 2009 at 8:18 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “also, i get your request for situational negs, but this is stuff that is just done on the fly. i don’t like reading these blogs for “routines” or “one-liners”, but more about mind-set and behavioral theory/observations.”

    Mindset comes from examples because by seeing them, you know how to spot an opening when the real thing rolls around.

    Most people watch a baseball game or two before picking up a bat. Observing helps. Since I’m not about the follow Roissy and Obsidian around for a day, I like to know what they do.


  245. whiskey

    No wiser point has Obsidian made than African-Americans are the canary in the American coal mine.

    I have come around to this school of thought as well.


  246. Mr. M–

    Also something I stated earlier is that obviously Roissy has to write with a bit more “exaggeration” to keep it an interesting read. I’m very much aware that he says certain things to gain interest and also to sometimes just spark a debate.

    You’re right women do decide who they do/don’t fuck. Again, you missed my statement that I think it’s wrong for EITHER sex to live as a “soul-sucker” as call them (gold-diggers, man-whores, welfare riders, etc.)

    To be perfectly honest, I don’t think I could ever teach women anything at all because A. Most women hate me B. I hate most women C. I don’t identify well with most women I have met

    If you noticed earlier I mentioned I also follow a feminist blog simply because it’s intriguing to see the OTHER dramatic end. I consider that particular blogger to be just as ridiculous as Roissy is. I have actually met women who i’ve said “I could understand if her husband hit her once or twice”. I am not without a sense of humor and am not totally irrational, but a debate isn’t much fun if everyone agrees.


  247. days,

    i agree. so go outside and sit in a bar and watch interactions for an hour or 10. or think about your own past observations (everyone has them).

    to some degree, everyone should know what worked, and what didn’t. also, a big part of gaming is knowing what is your own style, what types of comments work with your given attitude/beliefs…so as to be congruent with …yourself.

    personally, i probably won’t be using 100% asshole comments, since I already drop sarcastic comments at people most of the time; it would just be over the top. maybe i could try it, but it probably won’t come off as theoretically intended.


  248. wow, roissy. Finnegans Wake is harrrd.


  249. the most effective speech has two elements furthering its’ manipulative role…

    a) implies

    b) accounts for uncertainty

    …saying something while saying nothing at all.


  250. M’Lady Rain,

    Roissy’s blog wouldn’t be popular if the readers of it did not recognize the truth of it from their own experience.

    You, M’Lady, are a perfect example of what Roissy writes about. I suspect some beta male is supporting you and the son of your alpha lover, either indirectly or directly.

    Try raising a son as a single mother in a neighborhood where all the mothers are single and raising sons. Think crime, gangs, violence, as routine. I suspect you “parasitize” others, that is, traditional families, for the necessary social supports to raise your son. That is just another form of cuckcolding.

    You find offense that men like Roissy study women like you and seek to have sex with them. I suspect you have sex anytime you feel like it. Men have to work at it. That’s life. Men accept it. Why don’t you?

    That fact you you refuse to recognize the serious psychological damage to your son by cutting him off from all contact with his father for the simple act of roughing you up emphasizes your lack of understanding of the male psyche. Most women don’t have a clue to what makes a man happy or what makes boys grow into good men.


  251. Lady –

    if you stated it in another thread, then yes i missed it. if you stated it in this thread, either you wrote a 5 paragraph essay (learn to write better) or you misinterpreted what i said. you’ve done the latter 2 or 3 times thus far.

    honestly though – its not your/mine/anyones moral dilemma if people want to live as “soul suckers.” nothing you say or do will stop this from occurring.

    if you’re bored and just want a rise, that’s fine. i just am curious about why people (fem-x as an example) come to this blog and spew all this nonsense in the most self-righteous tone a person can muster.


  252. on May 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"PA
    If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Having a newborn boy, these thoughts are never far from my mind. I’m not one to give in to despair over which way society is going, but at the same time, I know which way the wind is blowing.”"”"”"”"”"”"”

    Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PA

    Its a boy!!!!

    What a great day off. Thanks american registered nurse chick. Thanks folks he he he


  253. Default

    You see the diff?

    I’m not sayin perfect, I’m sayin huge diff.

    Not gonna try to block. Just been workin on a little green.


  254. Joel–

    I’d be happy to answer you except that you just accused me of a bunch of things that I have covered on here probably 10 times already. I live off myself and no one else. Seriously, no sarcasm intended just read up a bit and see I’ve already answered those very questions/accusations.


  255. Lady Rain

    Obsidian,

    yes and that is why my “hate” is typically directed at Roissy himself and not everyone on here. I remember the tv show and it didn’t “bother me” in the slightest. However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Dark reasons? Please enlighten us.

    I asked you to state why you would be worth providing for, and you declined, saying I wanted “proof” of who you were.

    Are you so scatterbrained that you simply can’t remember what you’ve read, or are you deliberately misleading people?

    I have the feeling that you are on a jihad to discredit Roissy et al because any enlightenment amongst men in general would detract from your already shrinking value, and you really have no desire to change your behavior in the least.

    In fact, here’s your claim in this thread about the father of your child:

    Lady Rain

    Sorry, but I have never been dumped and my last serious relationship ended about a year ago and that was MY choice because he wanted to get married and I didn’t. One year later he is still trying to be with me and does so much for me by choice even though I told him I don’t want to be/never will be with him. He’s a wonderful guy, but I’m not “settling” just because he loves ME…. I just don’t love him in a deeply romantic way, so I don’t want to waste his time.

    In another thread, here’s your other excuse:

    I made a personal choice to leave his father for being abusive and somehow the image of him at 15 under MY care as opposed to both of our care (ie: watching his mom get abused and becoming one himself) is FAR less scary than the other option.

    So which of the two is it, “Lady?” Or is your lover not the father of your child? Or is the putative father not the father, as I suggested on the other thread?

    You are totally shameless. Come up with one single reason a man should provide for you, you parasite.

    And to think that judges still buy this crap… Justice is an elusive concept in family law.


  256. In good faith since everyone is complaining that my answers are long-winded (and they are because I cannot answer the same question over and over without doing so) I’ll give you the link to my myspace page so that you can have all the ammunition you’d like (if I’m going to be insulted I’d like them to be accurate insults at least) and also because I have nothing to hide.

    http://www.myspace.com/elemental_goddess


  257. Lady Rain, your choices are your choices. You’re not getting any younger, you have another guy’s kid in tow, you either settle for a much lesser guy or you remain alone for the rest of your life. Your choice. Neither one is likely to make you happy, best bet is to minimize unhappiness. [Any step-dad is far more likely to abuse your son. For obvious biological/Darwinistic reasons.]

    It’s not an insult. If you had to DEPEND on the income of a “beta provider” guy you would have NOT had a kid with Bad Boy at 23. It does not matter WHERE the income comes from, so long as it is stable and allows you to pursue bad boys. You make my case that improved female income = women having sex/kids with multiple bad boys. [Though clearly, you expect your parents to help with child care etc. That's the typical pattern for single mothers and often falls apart in the next generation.]

    I mean come on. You have a kid with a bad boy and knock guys who want to learn how to act like a bad boy? Puh-lease.

    Thanks for posting here. You really make my usual points better than I could!

    Novaseeker — Lady Rain is by no means unusual. If you hang around places like Television Without Pity, Dlisted, and TMZ, you’ll find many, many female posters who describe marriage as a prison and outdated, single motherhood preferred, and so on.

    Sadly, the choice is pass on your genes, have a lot of sex, or live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men. Those are simply the cards dealt. Most young women I know of, directly, have more or less of Lady Rain’s attitudes. It’s particularly strong among women under 30. Meaning that’s the way the arrows of female choice are moving.

    I mean, look at her. With enough income, she’s chasing bad boy after bad boy. Female income is not coming down, ever, so the fundamental aspect of mating is changed to favor bad boys spreading their seed.
    —————————-
    Re manipulating women’s insecurities, it’s said that the wisest course is to flatter a beautiful woman on her intelligence (while suggesting to her that you are indeed smarter) and a smart woman on her beauty (while suggesting to her that you are indeed better looking).


  258. I checked out the “Cracked” site from which Ms. Leigh came. The notable most thing was that every comment about the Roissy-Blog was 100% ad-hominem. Just crude, idea free taunting.
    Reading the Rain Lady does not make me think she is a shank or an evil person. However, she made choices and has gotten herself into a position that earlier generations would have seen as completely crazy. Admit it Lady Rain, your mom (and her fore-mothers) would have been slapped silly by their own moms if they announced that they intended to hook up with a violent-tending guy and then raise his spawn as a single mom.
    Women today are not enough afraid of ending up where Lady Rain is.
    I am glad for her that she does not seem to demand another permanent relationship or more kids. Because the odds are that is what she will get.


  259. Welmer, ‘

    This is why I don’t bother answering you anymore. Those two posts you just quoted. Had you READ the context, the one about the abuser is my son’s father (and yes we broke up over 5 years ago)

    The beta type I referred to is my most RECENT serious relationship ex (we broke up about a year ago)

    So to answer your question, no they are NOT the same people and we are talking about two totally different time frames.

    Also I have already explained 1000 times that there never was a judge’s involvement because when I left my son’s father 5 years ago, I offered him the choice to still be a dad or not be. He chose not to be. I agreed his choice was fine. There was no judge/judgement, I don’t collect child support, and he doesn’t request any parental rights. That was his choice not mine.

    Once again, you asked me to explain what makes me quality? I declined because it’s obvious to anyone here or anyone on the internet that I could say I help the homeless every single day or whatever I wanted and it doesn’t make it true. Furthermore the “qualities” of a woman that make them “worthwhile” depend on each individual man’s taste which is why it is pointless.

    Also since I already stated that I’m not interested in marriage or codependency of any kind I don’t have to have a reason why a guy “should provide for me” because I don’t like to depend on a man for money and don’t intend on ever doing it.

    Seriously though please don’t make me re-explain over and over.


  260. whiskey -

    have to agree 100% with you. just checked out her myspace; oh what do you know, a picture of her ass in underwear. how completely a-typical of a mid 20-something female to do.

    the fuck? why are all women the same?


  261. Sadly, the choice is pass on your genes, have a lot of sex, or live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men. Those are simply the cards dealt. Most young women I know of, directly, have more or less of Lady Rain’s attitudes. It’s particularly strong among women under 30. Meaning that’s the way the arrows of female choice are moving.

    I mean, look at her. With enough income, she’s chasing bad boy after bad boy. Female income is not coming down, ever, so the fundamental aspect of mating is changed to favor bad boys spreading their seed.

    Whiskey –

    I don’t disagree with the premise, but I do think that men can be happy without chasing women incessantly for sex. That doesn’t mean being celibate.


  262. The beta type I referred to is my most RECENT serious relationship ex (we broke up about a year ago)

    LR –

    This is where you enforce Roissy. You see, we all know women do not find betas attractive, and neither do you. You had a son by a bad boy, and your subsequent betas fail to meet your romantic interest. This is why men follow Roissy. Do you understand now?


  263. very funny post……good comic stuff……………its funny to see some of these gals really get worked up over a few negs. They must be so used to weak men saddling up to them frothing insincere compliments just to have something to say, when a true observation can say so muc more and give you two something to actually talk about.


  264. Nova,

    The reason I don’t agree is because while my son’s father was bad in the way of alcohol and abuse, he was also extremely into working, being the provider, getting married, and having kids.

    So I’m not sure that makes him an “alpha” because he did not want me to leave him (because he didn’t see anything wrong with his behavior and threw around that “I’ll get therapy” crap and everything)

    However I never said women prefer Beta-types. I think most women would ideally like a fine blend of both! I do NOT like overly-sensitive men, but I also don’t like a man who is TOO opinionated and “alpha” because I also have a strong personality and it just leads to a bunch of fighting and drama and I don’t like that either.


  265. However I never said women prefer Beta-types. I think most women would ideally like a fine blend of both! I do NOT like overly-sensitive men, but I also don’t like a man who is TOO opinionated and “alpha” because I also have a strong personality and it just leads to a bunch of fighting and drama and I don’t like that either.

    LR –

    Then you’re looking for a beta with game — exactly what this whole thing is about. Don’t assume that most of this is about what Roissy writes, he is the blogger here, but the movement is much bigger than Roissy, and he overstates for effect I am certain (and for humor too).

    Most betas with game are exactly what you would want, I think. Which is why men learn game.


  266. on May 22, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"on May 22, 2009 at 8:47 pm Mr.M
    whiskey -

    have to agree 100% with you. just checked out her myspace; oh what do you know, a picture of her ass in underwear. how completely a-typical of a mid 20-something female to do.

    the fuck? why are all women the same?”"”"”"”"”"”

    yea every chick that comes on here except for marcus aurelios gives their email adress to the whole blog.


  267. greg –

    its not even just ppl on this blog. how many fukn girls have half naked pictures of themselves on their facebook/myspace? its just so standard. talk about being anything but original.

    as for this blog, same thing. even the most radical feminist/les has a naked pics of herself.


  268. on May 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Do you mind if i email you tomorrow lady rain i would like to discuss a few things with you


  269. BTW, average salary for CNC programmer/machinist is $45K. Middle class in some areas. Culturally that occupation is “working class.” Salaries and status don’t always correlate. A lower paid teacher would be Middle class, while a plumber making 100K would be “working class.”

    I’ll note that the “nice guy loser beta” who loves her does not excite her and she is unwilling to marry him. Presumably it’s only bad boys that excite her and generate love.

    Again, I cannot thank Lady Rain enough. Seriously. My usual points get made straight from her own words.


  270. Well actually I’m not looking for anything at all at the moment. For me personally though? I am a terrible example of being the voice of women because most guys that know me say I’m just like one of their guy friends. I realize this is a technique to get in women’s pants and that’s fine I expect no less from my male friends, lol and they expect me to shut them down in return.

    I can handle being with a guy with serious attitude because it matches my personality better than a sensitive beta would. My sense of humor can be really sarcastic and even mean-spirited and I need someone who KNOWS it’s JUST humor and JUST me. I would feel like I was kicking a puppy in engaging long term with a guy who’s really beta.

    I like having little debates with someone I’m dating and that requires some balls and a quick mind, but I’m not sure that would be described as a “beta-with-game” because wouldn’t a beta with game essentially be a dude that’s somewhere in the middle? There IS such a thing! I’m sure many of you have awesome game, but remember a lot of times women allow you to play YOUR game in order to play THEIR game. Like I already said, everyone is guilty of this regardless of gender.

    Please don’t record me as saying these “types” don’t exist and the “game” doesn’t work. I’m saying that much like anything that gets a “following” there are people who take it to a dramatic extreme and ruin it for everyone. (Like feminism for example). Or like the No-Carb diets even. You cannot get “swept away” by something in life that is essentially temporary physical pleasure. Sex can be a drug and so can mind control and I think Roissy is aware that the people who will follow him the closest are the people who are probably taking it a bit far. This is dangerous is ANY culture or gender.

    It’s sort of like a guy talking about Cocaine and describing it as elaborately and dramatically as possible to get people to try it. Now there will be people who “try it” in moderation and don’t abuse it, but then there are people who will latch onto anything they can to forget their lives. I think that Roissy intentionally trys to draw the more dangerous/mentally unstable types who will take it much further than “the dating game of life”…. essentially he’s playing on the weakness of not just women, but of men who will LITERALLY live by his every word. This means he’s not at all about helping other guys out at all. He’s making men into victims now too. Don’t we have enough of those people?


  271. Gunslinger– sure of course! anyone is welcome to message me whenever they’d like.

    Whiskey–
    You seem to think I’m out to prove you a “bad man” and I’m not. As for your salary generalization for CNC it’s about correct depending on what they specifically hire you for (ie: a Machinist hired to just program will make more than the Machinist hired to do set-up even though they are both equal positions that require about the same amount of knowledge) it’s a pretty competitive profession considering that machines aren’t going anywhere and certainly being able to program the computers that will eventually run almost all of them is a huge bonus to know. I genuinely love my job even though there is absolutely NOTHING fancy about it to say the least.


  272. I think roissy writes a blog that disposes of the programming/brainwashing that most men have grown up with…i wish there was a way to put it succinctly. oh wait:

    where pretty lies perish.


  273. Insecurity. How lightly to take it. What comes to mind when you see that word: a valleygirl accent ‘Well, I’m like so insecure, you know? And daddy keeps saying…’.

    What does it really encapsulate? The biggest and deepest fears of man and woman both: will the herd reject me? Will my genes survive? Am I weak? Am I not good enough to be selected?

    Am I not good enough?

    How much power do you have when you use observation to note exactly where it lies? How much power do you have when you hone your skills to sense where the deepest weaknesses of the human being in front of you are? You do this by practicing watching, observing, testing. It’s in their speech, their clothes, their job, their body language. Is she beautiful? Is she young? Is she emotional? Is she pragmatic? Is she clever? Is she spoiled?

    Then you drive it home, you sniff out the blood and head unerringly for the wound. The amoral among you will bring her to her knees, the subtle among you will do it without her once aware, the skillful among you will draw it out without having to ask because you’ve already demonstrated just how superior you are, just what you are used to. They won’t know how to counter the attack as you become more skilled and indirect, they won’t know what hit them. She will hate herself, she won’t know why, and you will have victory.

    I don’t deserve you.Just like when a beta is completely destroyed and thinks he is worth nothing.

    If you have mercy, if you want more than a bit of nothing, if you want a functioning, happy human being then perhaps you will be good enough to soothe the wounds. I still have feelings for you anyway, for now.You’re so special in other ways. You’ll need me to become more but don’t worry too much, I’m here for you as long as you please me.

    ‘OMG, cankles’ just doesn’t capture it.(I won’t talk about the male common insecure equivalents to roissy’s casual clinical dismissive dissection of the female mind, that’s too cruel. I’m reminded of nonchalantly throwing a human heart into the bin after noting its ins and outs. I think I’ve stopped doing that to the male of the species, thank God.)

    By God, it is heartless war. ‘Useless pangs of guilt’ indeed. Go on, rationalise how you proceed on destruction…

    Still: dish it out, she can take it. You’re the one who can’t afford to.

    Doug:
    You, sir, are addicted to drama.

    [Herein lies a deleted paragraph or perhaps a line or two of jealous drama over discovering him inviting the attentions of kim. Can't I hold his interest with my incoherence? Am I not good enough?]

    The Islamic/Arabic name for a man is God of the house. Any equivalents in Western culture?


  274. I’m not sure that would be described as a “beta-with-game” because wouldn’t a beta with game essentially be a dude that’s somewhere in the middle?

    LR –

    A good insight, but it’s more that the beta with game is a synthetic alpha –> that is some guys are alpha naturals and others learn how o project alpha despite the fact that they are not alpha naturals. The latter are users of game.

    Alpha in this context has nothing to do with hard work, professionalism, or even money. Alpha in this context has strictly to do with the ability to pull, or attract, women whom one wants to attract. So a “beta with game” is someone who is not necessarily an asshole, but who has perfected a technique to push women’s buttons to make them attracted to him .. just as a woman might cultivate her physique and clothing to attract. It’s the male version of self-improvement.

    Roissy takes it to an extreme, I agree .. but most of the denizens here realize that, too. I think he does more good than harm .. yet I have also seen the bad it can do. On balance, men need some way to adjust to the wide-open sexual marketplace there is now. “Being yourself” for men leaves most men without sex or mates, in reality. Many women do not like the “being yourself” that most men are without game. So at bottom it’s self-help for men .. even if, like all self-help, it can be taken to an extreme.


  275. Visit M’Lady’s web page.

    With that kind of atmosphere, I am sure her little boy will grow up to be a great guy.

    Good to know that anything on the internet is always available somewhere. For example, a jilted lover could just suck up her website onto his hard drive and show it to her son when he is 13 so he knows better why his mother deserted his father. Maybe, just maybe, he dumped her for being a slut. Roissy did say to gather blackmail material on your lovers.

    Roissy is just so right about women, it is scary. It may be that women with low sex drives are happy with beta men, but, the rest?

    Some “nice” guy thought he wanted to marry her? Geez. No wonder she dumped him. A true beta. She should tell him to read this blog. He will be so grateful she dumped him.

    Now, back to the thread.

    Beautiful, Roissy. Hitting on a girl’s insecurities is just so obvious, why didn’t I think of it? I usually tease girls, but, now I have a much better sense of what teasing can do. Have you a longer list of useful insecurities?


  276. I gave you a hard time before ladyrain, but compared to the rest of those yahoos at cracked you almost seem reasonable and sane.


  277. This just shows how powerful a few innocent negs can be.

    Don’t over-neg, though. Keep them subtle and infrequent.

    With Game, I find negs to be a relatively easy part, as is seduction.

    I find approaches to be the hard part, as well as keeping the motivation up after a flake.


  278. Lady Rain,

    women don’t want a mix of Lover and Provider, because they have mutually exclusive traits. You cannot have the cake and eat it all.

    Romance novels end where the alpha becomes a beta (marriage). Take away an independent man’s freedom and you end up with someone who is not “what he used to be”. Add the decreasing level of ocytocin after about 5-7 years of a relationship (plagues men adn women), and you have an explosive mix.

    Most women deal with that dilemma by marrying a beta and fucking alphas on the side.


  279. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLJtAEnkx58&feature=related

    Best Video I’ve ever seen on Alpha game vs beta game.

    Kramer as the dominant alpha male who takes down his hoe’s value while building up his own.

    Kramer being the supplicating beta male who begs for the woman’s attention who he think’s he is unworthy of.

    Keep this video in mind next time you think of acting beta. The exaggeration is for comedy, but the fact is that women see and know alpha vs beta when they see it.


  280. The ovarian hormonal cycle is God, in terms of game. At ovulation( AKA moneyshot sex) , she wants a thug/brute/domestic violenced-type man. Most of the rest of the cycle – ie dry, no sex – she wants a herbacious nest-building beta-drone. To help her build her nest and go then sleep on the coach. She will want him on the coach because he does not “respect her feelings”. Besides, her pussy is still sore from fucking Luigi in the mens room of a shanky bar while she was leaning over a sink grasping the handles & trying to remember Luigis name.


  281. She will want him on the coach because he does not “respect her feelings”. Besides, her pussy is still sore from fucking Luigi in the mens room of a shanky bar while she was leaning over a sink grasping the handles & trying to remember Luigis name.

    Rum –

    Actually more often they will come back from shagging Luigi, have a bath, and then fuck the husband as “cover sex”. Robin Baker goes into this. Women are programmed strongly to fuck their partners at the same time (same or next day) as they have cheated on them, to “cover” the cheating, in terms of timing a pregnancy. With DNA tests that is going to become less viable, but paternity tests are still pretty rare.


  282. how did you find Lady Rain´s page?


  283. It’s up there, she posted it.


  284. This is also to test who has the most competitive sperm Nova. She pus her two potential mates sperm in direct competition to see if one has a genetic advantage in sperm warfare over the other.


  285. Lady Rain is 28 my ass. She looks as old as 38. Lady is 33, my guess.

    ” look at that vertical smile”


  286. multicultura question

    for americans only. how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?


  287. Thanks Oscar for posting the cracked forum link. Roissy can definitely stir people up. The roissy haters are entertainingly hypocritical. I was particularly amused by the gay poster offering to beat up roissy because he found roissy’s lifestyle morally repugnant. A female poster wanted to glass roissy if he ever spoke to her at a bar. I wonder what their views on gay bashing and violence against women are.


  288. Lady Rain

    I call bullshit here. You expect anyone to believe your rant here?

    You’ve stated your ex was in good shape, a hard worker, healthy, wanted to get married, have children…blah blah.

    Upon the birth of your son, within a short period you dump him…he willingly leaves with nary a fight for custody of any kind…and wants NOTHING to do with his son? You’re out of your fucking mind….there is a lot you’ve left out here.

    You repeatedly called him abusive, which may be fact, maybe physically and/or emotionally…but for him to WALK at your request and be SO GONE that YOU don’t even know where he is (or care) is totally unbelievable.

    For a man, who wanted what you’ve written above, despite alcohol issues, to disappear and have nothing to do with his son leaves me to believe living and being with you was unbearable.

    He quit you, simple, but it killed him to lose his family (son). The man you describe would not simply give up on his son and be MIA unless his situation was absolutely toxic. What did you do? What would he say? Really!


  289. how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    Peter/Ironrails: “that depends. Does she have a GNP?”

    Tokyo: “She responds to Game therefore she is a low quality woman.”

    Agnostic: “not a teen, no bubble butt, she’s no Alizee.”

    Roissy: “I’d do her in the ass if she lets me videotape it.”

    Welmer: “Fucking whore.”

    Obsidian: “I’m not averse to the charms of my White Sisters. Holla back”

    Gunslinger: “not really my type but lol she can join my harem in indo my empire starts there”

    Tupac Chopra: “Clioooooooooooooooooo!!”

    The G Manifesto: “I’d swoop her. But first, my two Latinas. On the Embraer Lineage to Caracas.”

    Sara: “hmmmmm…”


  290. on May 23, 2009 at 12:09 am Days of Broken Arrows

    How did I not make it onto that list? Oh well, maybe that’s a good thing.

    Has anyone here read Donald Trump’s “The Art of the Deal?” It seems he applied some of the theories we talk about her to business instead of women. I remember a part where he neg hit a client, telling him he had bad breath, in order to make the guy insecure so he would be bargaining from a worse vantage point.


  291. Funniest/Saddest thing I learned from Lady Rain/Miss Wendy’s MySpace page:

    Someone actually named their son “Ransom” in the 21st Century.


  292. Wow, reading that thread from the forum where Rain came from.

    Those people are just complete fucktards.

    They call someone who wants to participate in an open and honest debate a “troll.”

    What the hell?


  293. I should add that this blog and most communities share similar tendencies (IE, SHUN THE UNBELIEVER!) but to see the same attitude coming out of moderators is laughable.

    One of their moderators openly insulted the guy attempting to defend game.

    I don’t know whether to be angry as a former moderator of a now-closed debate forum or amused.


  294. on May 23, 2009 at 1:01 am Babaero Serrada

    Lady rain,
    “I consider that particular blogger to be just as ridiculous as Roissy is”

    –> how is roissy “ridiculous”?


  295. on May 23, 2009 at 1:12 am Days of Broken Arrows

    The reason the guys in that forum are insulting Roissy and game is because they think trying to be “sensitive” and “englightened” will earn them the attention of the few women on those boards. Meanwhile, we all know who those women are f***king don’t we?


  296. I think it’s because many of the moderators are just juvenile and dogmatic:

    http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?topic=47618.msg1157968#msg1157968
    here is one that is completely missing the damn point an article and then mildly chastises a noted economist.

    Hell, an ADMIN then referred to it as “Flamebait”!

    It’s a collection of…very interesting characters

    You can see the nanny-government mindset:
    “Human history is that same story, told over and over… until a strong central authority comes along with the power to oversee the hunting, mining, harvesting, fishing etc and enforced regulation to make sure future generations would be able to do the same. ”

    Maybe they’re all secretly feminine men and thus react the same way as women? :P


  297. Lady Rain thanks again for posting here.

    I don’t think you are out to prove me a bad man, rather that your own expressed preferences and history make my points which are this:

    1. The nuclear family is dead.
    2. For a man, being “nice” is one-way ticket to loserdom with the ladies, being an A-hole is the way to go.
    3. Women are not interested in long-term relationships, so for men, the way to go is to not just be an A-hole, but spread your seed. That’s the only way a guy can have kids.
    4. Even a middle class salary if there is no future expectation of greater wealth will cause women to have kids with A-holes, so increased income for women regardless of source = women’s expressed and innate preference for bad boys.

    As for Roissy and his site, people post here for a variety of reasons. One, to learn how to be an A-hole successfully and get women. Since women by your own admission prefer A holes.

    Second, to discuss the larger social implications of the death of the nuclear family and women’s innate preference, now expressed for A-holes.

    Often the two over-lap or intersect.

    Again, I thank you for posting here and being honest. Your postings are the best support for the points 1-4 above I’ve made here frequently.
    ————
    OT, or maybe not,

    “For instance, Sara McLanahan at Princeton University and her colleagues have found that boys who are raised by single mothers are twice as likely to end up in prison by age 32, that girls who are born outside of marriage are three times as likely to have a teenage pregnancy, and that teens born outside of marriage are about twice as likely to drop out of high school, compared with their peers who are raised in intact, married families.

    One study by Pamela Smock at the University of Michigan and Wendy Manning at Bowling Green State University found that 50% of children born to cohabiting parents saw their parents part by age 5, compared with only 15% of children born to married parents.

    And as both parents and scholars know, such instability is hard on young children. Not surprisingly, a growing body of research on cohabitation and child well-being indicates that kids who spend time in cohabiting unions are significantly more likely to experience emotional problems, school failure and physical and sexual abuse than children in intact, married homes — in part because they are much more likely to be exposed to a revolving series of romantic partners, usually unrelated adult males, who do not have their best interests at heart.”
    ——
    Today’s Wall Street Journal article, “the Real Pregnancy Crisis” about the large increase in women in their twenties having kids by themselves. Somewhat disturbing, 7% of college educated women have illegitimate kids, an increase and ominous one from about 3% 15 years earlier.

    No group has ever recorded a decrease in illegitimacy outside White teens. None. And even that gain seems temporary.


  298. And don’t dare question Global Warming! We’ll have none of that on this forum!!!!!

    I can’t stop ROFLMAO


  299. David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    A bit “masculine” looking, but because she’s white, the effect isn’t as bad. So admittedly, she is barely doable, and with nails, somewhat doable if I’m willing to overlook the B cups. Of course, in real life sans make up can destroy an erection within fifteen nanoseconds.

    Most women deal with that dilemma by marrying a beta and fucking alphas on the side.

    Most men should deal with that by not marrying at all.

    I’ll note that the “nice guy loser beta” who loves her does not excite her and she is unwilling to marry him.

    The problem is that if she marries that nice guy/loser beta, she’s going to nag him to death, and instead of one miserable single person, we’ll have two miserable married people who drive each other crazy and who only stick around with the kids. I understand that single motherhood isn’t ideal, but why should she drag a man she doesn’t like in a relationship and ruin his life?

    At times, I almost wonder if Whiskey isn’t just a tool to suppress beta males and make them miserable.

    live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men

    Hmm, married giving 90% of net pay to wife and kids or single spending 75% of my net pay on me. Gee, I’d trade sex if it meant that I could live a comfortable lifestyle with little stress.

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them.

    That’s why women “suck”. That’s the one shitty feature about female friends. They expect me to make a decision even though they have more information about the choice.


  300. Whiskey,
    As per usual, good money. I’m wondering if you’re familiar w/Lionel Tiger’s work, and if so, your thoughts on it? I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but he debated Barbara Ehrenreich some years back, and wondered what you thought of said debate.

    O


  301. on May 23, 2009 at 2:15 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Whiskey quoted:

    “For instance, Sara McLanahan at Princeton University and her colleagues have found that boys who are raised by single mothers are twice as likely to end up in prison by age 32, that girls who are born outside of marriage are three times as likely to have a teenage pregnancy, and that teens born outside of marriage are about twice as likely to drop out of high school…”

    Yeah, but if you come from a lower class culture where women VALUE men who have been in prison and PREFRR men who have dropped out of high school, these stats don’t mean anything!! This is the problem.

    Out of wedlock births have created a huge underclass with people whose values couldn’t be more different than the traditional American model of success we grew up with. This is the real unspoken reason the Bad Boy has replaced the College Graduate as the ideal man, and this is what we’re struggling with in both the black and white communities.

    And although all women will SAY they prefer the college guys, remember Roosh’s edict not to listen to what women say, but watch what women do.

    A good view of the underclass’ values and ideals can be seen on MySpace, where upper class people tend to go for Facebook. MySpace is rife with people showing off tattoos, single moms pimping out their oddly named kids, and older women who just think bikers and thugs are da bomb!

    Europe is looking better and better every day.


  302. As far as ‘propagating one’s genes into the future’, how valuable is that, really? At least, relative to having kids that you have a relationship with.

    I have more biological kids than anyone here. Yet, I don’t know any of them, and may only meet some of them well after they turn 18.

    I have been procrastinating on going to the second sperm bank in Oakland, but if I do it, that will be another round of up to ten.

    But they aren’t really *mine*. Even if they have my genes. So that doesn’t really count.

    The exact reverse situation – adopting a child that is not of your genes – on the other hand, *does* count, as that is a child you have a relationship with. It is your child.

    If you can only have one of the two – genetic propagation or a parent-child relationship through adoption, clearly the latter is preferable if you have to choose. So why so much importance to gene propagation?


  303. DT wrote :

    Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick…

    To that, I’ll add that once the clock strikes 35, there will be a cacophonous :

    Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!


  304. on May 23, 2009 at 2:39 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them.

    That’s why women “suck”. That’s the one shitty feature about female friends.

    And that…is why you fail.

    Wanting to be led by someone else, prefering to have his decisions made for him = baby boy who never learned to be his own man, still looking for mommy’s apron strings

    Relishing the opportunity to mold someone else like putty in your hands = alpha

    I sincerely think that Game is the last thing DA needs. It would fail miserably at patching the holes in his failure to grow up. What he needs more than anything is a “life coach” to do the job his daddy never did.

    I nominate Obsidian to adopt DA and do the job right this time around.


  305. on May 23, 2009 at 2:40 am Babaero Serrada

    Tood, “If you can only have one of the two – genetic propagation or a parent-child relationship through adoption, clearly the latter is preferable if you have to choose.”

    –> “clearly”?

    really, tood? “clearly”?

    if there’s any issue that’s not “clear”, this is probably it.
    unless you think that the nature/nurture debate has been soundly resolved in favor of nurture.
    which it hasn’t.
    there are good arguments on both sides.

    look dude, i’m a family man, so in principal i would like to agree with you, but, tell it to genghis khan.

    but, lets not forget, you’re the guy who interpreted my comment of “people aren’t on the internets 24/7″ as a defense of your opponent’s position, so you probably aren’t the best guy to argue with.


  306. on May 23, 2009 at 2:44 am Tupac Chopra

    how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    A former 8 who rapidly declined to 7.9, 7.8, 7.7, 7.6, 7.5, 7.4, 7.3, 7.2…and falling…


  307. on May 23, 2009 at 2:47 am Babaero Serrada

    Tupac “What he needs more than anything is a “life coach” to do the job his daddy never did.”

    tupac, the problem is that men are too obstinate to enlist “life coaches” until they’ve been -on their own- and have -completely failed-, and even then, most won’t.

    for D.a. this will take much, much longer. He won’t even listen to reason here, for free, even though he’s -here every single day-. he can’t even talk to a real woman, what makes you think he’ll seek out and -pay for- a “life coach”.

    fact i’ve noticed:

    a lot of PUA-types have morfed into what are essentially “life coaches”. like some of the oldskool RSD-guys, who seem to be nowadays more into mountain climbs than mountin’ dimes.

    this probably isn’t a bad thing, because
    a, a lot of guys need to get their shit together, AND
    b, NO ONE would listen to these guys if they weren’t proven to get laid from their techniques.

    nothing focuses the attention of young guys, like getting laid.


  308. on May 23, 2009 at 2:48 am Babaero Serrada

    tupac, “A former 8 who rapidly declined to 7.9, 7.8, 7.7, 7.6, 7.5, 7.4, 7.3, 7.2…and falling…”

    –> that’s awesome. you’ve got me thinking of the ‘roll back’ signs in the old walmart adds, with all the numbers falling off one digit at a time.


  309. Barbara,

    Clearly, your reading comprehension is minimal.

    The distinction is between sperm donation (which is anonymous until the child is 18), vs. adoption. The two are exactly the opposite of each other.

    Clearly, adoption fulfills the human need to a greater degree than anonymous gene propagation.

    Sorry, Babs. Try again.

    I nominate Obsidian to adopt DA and do the job right this time around.

    Noooooooooo! That would be wasting Obsidian by removing him from those who actually want his advice/thoughts. DA is an unworthy recipient.


  310. on May 23, 2009 at 3:05 am Babaero Serrada

    Tood, “Clearly, adoption fulfills the human need to a greater degree than anonymous gene propagation.”

    –> you’re take this as “clear” cements your beta status. An alpha would not take this as established fact.
    for a true alpha, the only human need is to plant his seed in as many uteruses as possible. whoa! that’s the opposite of what you’re saying.
    tell me, what makes an alpha an alpha, in tood world?


  311. Barbara,

    Being a good father to an adopted child is Beta????

    Do you even know what alpha and Beta means? You are a Beta, much like Carl Sagan showed that 2-dimensional creatures could not comprehend the 3rd dimension.

    Plus, your reading comprehension is still illiterate. I have clearly stated that the comparison is between adoption and sperm donation. We are not talking about traditional, natural child rearing here.

    Now read this slowly, twice, and out loud if necessary, so that you grasp what is said.

    the only human need is to plant his seed in as many uteruses as possible.

    Wait, so sleeping with a 9 instead of a 1 is not a human need? Normal men would rather have one 9 than 20 1s. You do know what a 9 is, don’t you?

    You are a weird one, Babs.


  312. on May 23, 2009 at 4:03 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood:

    Being a good father to an adopted child is Beta????

    In cold, hard, evolutionary currency?
    Yes.
    From the standpoint of DNA, genes, and evolution, the difference between an adoptive dad and a cuckold is precisely 0.

    And, I say this as a staunch advocate of, and believer in, both adoption and fatherhood.

    The problem between you and Babaero, of course, is that you two don’t agree on your definitions of alpha and beta. Your definition is primarily sociocultural. His is primarily genetic/evolutionary. There’s no sense in your shouting at each other from different planes.

    Incidentally, the traditional origins of the terms “alpha” and “beta” are ENTIRELY genetic/evolutionary, based on the behavior of feral animals. Thus, if one of you two has the more difficult row to hoe, that would be you.

    Serrada’s question is a good one: WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF AN ALPHA?
    He’s given his; it appears that you don’t want to give yours, so that you can continue to modify it as necessary to “win” your “argument”.


  313. 87,

    Nonsense. By your genetic/evolutionary basis, a sperm donor who contributes to 10 conceptions is among the highest alphas, even if he doesn’t seduce any women.

    I don’t buy that. Being alpha has to do with seduction of a high quality + quantity of women. Seducing a 10 is far better than sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    Anyone who says voluntary adoption is as bad as cuckolding is insane. The emotional/voluntary aspect has to come into play, making the two totally different.

    Alpha men such as Ronald Reagan and John McCain have adopted children, in addition to their biological children. They did not become ‘cuckolds’ in the process.


  314. on May 23, 2009 at 4:51 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood

    Being alpha has to do with seduction of a high quality + quantity of women. Seducing a 10 is far better than sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    I smell ya here.

    Like Roissy, though, I think the ability and present potential for such seduction is what’s important.

    Whether those are actualized is another matter.

    I.E., if an alpha decides to commit himself to one woman, this does not make him less of an alpha.

    You still haven’t laid out your complete definition of an alpha.

    Based on your previous posts, you also think that active fatherhood is part of the canon of Alpha, as evidenced by your implication that a strong adoptive father (to whom seduction is irrelevant) possesses alpha traits.

    That’s actually my take. An active father passes on memes (“nurture” evolution), in a sense analogous to that in which a successful seducer/impregnator passes on genes (“nature” evolution). Both are alpha traits.

    What’s your complete definition?

    sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    Large swathes of the male population, mostly underclass, would disagree with this judgment.

    Someone is fucking most of those 1’s and 2’s. In many cases, lots of someones.

    Not my preference, either, but it’s pretty jejune of you to extrapolate your opinions to all men.

    Anyone who says voluntary adoption is as bad as cuckolding is insane.

    Nobody said that, Tood. In fact, nobody on this thread has said at all that adoption is “bad”.

    You’re arguing like a woman, having random tantrums while completely ignoring my words and my point. Did you not notice my description of myself as “a staunch advocate of, and believer in, adoption”?

    Get a grip. Stop arguing emotionally, and read the words that actually appear in my post.

    What I stated is that, in terms of genes, adoptive and cuckolded dads are equivalent. Both men are raising a kid with zero percent of their genetic material.
    The differences, while massive, are purely cultural.
    This is a FACT.


  315. on May 23, 2009 at 4:57 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Also, Tood, another thing in which I’m interested:

    You’ve stated multiple times that you donate to sperm banks.

    As you’re probably well aware, the vast majority of sperm banks’ clientele is composed of “single mothers by choice”, lesbians, etc.

    How do you, a man who ostensibly appreciates the importance of fathers, square that belief with your enabling the creation of fatherless families?

    I have the perfect profile for a sperm donor, too, but I simply don’t want to make babies that will be raised outside of nuclear-family homes with married parents.


  316. PA

    how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    Peter/Ironrails: “that depends. Does she have a GNP?”

    Tokyo: “She responds to Game therefore she is a low quality woman.”

    Agnostic: “not a teen, no bubble butt, she’s no Alizee.”

    Roissy: “I’d do her in the ass if she lets me videotape it.”

    Welmer: “Fucking whore.”

    Obsidian: “I’m not averse to the charms of my White Sisters. Holla back”

    Gunslinger: “not really my type but lol she can join my harem in indo my empire starts there”

    Tupac Chopra: “Clioooooooooooooooooo!!”

    The G Manifesto: “I’d swoop her. But first, my two Latinas. On the Embraer Lineage to Caracas.”

    Sara: “hmmmmm…”

    LOL

    Too true.

    However, I’d even go so far as to say she gives whores a bad name. I’ve known a few whores in my day. They were all over the place in China — some of the Russian ones were incredibly good looking and I almost regret not taking them up on their offers of freebies, but somehow I thought I was “above” prostitutes because I could get it for free from common tramps. I’d say the whores had more integrity than Lady Rain. Hell, at least they were honest about what they were doing.


  317. Epoxytocin No. 87

    I have the perfect profile for a sperm donor, too, but I simply don’t want to make babies that will be raised outside of nuclear-family homes with married parents.

    Evidently, I have the profile of sperm donor, too, but I didn’t know that’s all I signed up for when I put on a ring,
    and I get to pay for the privilege.


  318. on May 23, 2009 at 5:21 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    This is a response to Roissy’s original post, about a thousand comments later.

    Roissy

    A typical 35 year old man has better prospects than a typical 35 year old woman. He won’t need to settle as far down the mate ladder as she will.

    What is even worse about this situation, and is left unaddressed, is that both men AND women will have to “settle farther down the mate ladder”.

    Women will have to settle farther down, for the reasons that you have mentioned.

    Men too, though, will have to settle farther down. In the extreme scenario in which most or all women party away their twenties, men will be “settling” too
    I.E., when men decide to settle, they’ll have to do so with a woman whose youth has already passed its full blossom and started to wither, and who has fucked so many men that their bonding systems are about as functional as a bumper sticker that’s been on and off twenty different cars.

    Therefore, in terms of forming permanent relationships, men and women are equally fucked over by the Sex and the City mentality of women in their twenties.

    The difference is in the lifestyles of the men and women who will, inevitably, choose NOT to settle.
    On that one, we win, hands down.


  319. on May 23, 2009 at 6:31 am Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”87,
    The difference is in the lifestyles of the men and women who will, inevitably, choose NOT to settle.
    On that one, we win, hands down.”"”"”"”"”

    started to wonder where the crying rant was going and was thinking jesus pusboy man up. Then I read the last yea makes sence. Don’t be an idiot that only makes excuses come up with solutions for what the fuck you want out of life and grab that shit.


  320. on May 23, 2009 at 7:30 am Gunslingergregi

    Find yourself going beta just pull up the scene in menace

    Tell yourself “you actin jut lik a liddle beeeaatcch right now”

    game from hood

    Guy Come here

    Chick comes over

    Game over

    Guy come here

    Chick doesn’t come over

    Guy what you don’t date bruthas

    Chick well uh i uh uh

    Guy come here

    Chick comes over

    Game over


  321. on May 23, 2009 at 7:39 am Gunslingergregi

    Or you can roll with

    You my woman now.

    Chick huh I wasn’t looking for a man

    You yea you my woman come over my place you should be in my bed.

    Chick
    “follows you like puppy gets into your bed”

    This is for american chicks. They require some game lol


  322. that cracked blog proves two things:

    - game works, because for every G there 50 Tokyos and 50 DAs

    - the west is fucked. there are so many freaks out there, that they have musted the numbers to have foruns where they debate each other. it is not only low IQ people, but masses of medium to high IQ people who have plainly rejected reality.


  323. on May 23, 2009 at 8:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Best game is when you don’t even have to talk a chick into it. You got other chicks gaming for you.

    4 years ago when I went home. We had a cookout. Played some uno I turned that shit more exciting than playing the world championship of poker. After my dad was like dang I didn’t know you had it like that to be the life of the party. He didn’t realize to call it great game lol Anyway I go outside and chick is waiting on me to go home. But yea no game. Then I got neighbor calling in chicks from 3 hours away to get a chance at me. The girls wanted to take me away from my indo chick they just didn’t have what it took.


  324. on May 23, 2009 at 8:42 am Default User

    doug1

    Thumbs up.

    Yeah back at ya.
    [+ not perfect for sure]

    Have a great weekend.


  325. PA

    Having a newborn boy

    Congratulations bro.!!!!

    Just fabulous.


  326. on May 23, 2009 at 9:15 am Gunslingergregi

    Checked the cracked blog I think I will show up at the dudes house who said he was gonna beat up roissy just to say hello. Hate the way there comments are on different pages that blows.


  327. This sounds like the musical version of the G-Man

    I have a mansion, forget the price
    Ain’t never been there, they tell me it’s nice
    I live in hotels, tear out the walls
    I have accountants pay for it all

    My Maserati does one-eighty-five
    I lost my license, now I don’t drive

    I go to parties, sometimes until four
    It’s hard to leave when you can’t find the door
    [lyrics]


  328. Quoth Roissy:

    some women are so ugly, fat, and/or old that they can’t get laid by any man. not even the bottom of the barrel piss-stained homeless bums, quasimodos and hermaphrodites will have them.

    This does not fit my experience. I flatly don’t believe these women exist. I am certainly desperate enough now, and have been for most of my life, to sleep with any woman whatsoever. If there are even a small minority of men like me, any woman can get laid no matter how ugly.

    Lady Rain is right on this. If any woman wants sex she can simply have it if she lowers her standards and this admits of no exceptions. The only way for a woman to be so ugly that no man will fuck her is to look like a man, and even then fags would be a dime a dozen. The price of eggs is so extremely high relative to sperm that a woman is worth inestimably more than any man even after she runs out of eggs.

    But then Lady Rain goes on to basically say that men should ignore their best interests (or let her dictate what a man’s best interests are and what constitutes success with women); that it is not worth it to be an asshole to get pussy even if it works. That is what is so offensive about her. Makes me think how dare you tell me what is best for me!? She is a sex object and men are worthless and unlike feminists she understands this is human nature — in fact she understands the worthlessness of male sexuality better than a famed pickup artist — and yet in her opinion men should not use what little tactics known that may work.

    I also personally disagree with the person who said sleeping with 1s which is worse than celibacy. No woman is worse than long-term celibacy. The problem is that these supposedly unattractive and hence easy women don’t exist or aren’t easy. Sure there are plenty of old women who are barely desirable, but they don’t seem to have much of a sex drive anyway, so it doesn’t matter and that is one more reason “you can’t get laid” insults indeed only work on men and work well because they are so true.

    Reading some of the comments here, and especially on that Cracked forum she came from, one gets the impression that any man can walk into a bar and easily pick up a drunk woman with low self esteem. But the whole idea that women with low self esteem or other mental problems are easy falls apart when you consider the competition. There is simply no place to meet these mythical easy women without overwhelming competition that makes the whole endeavor as fruitless as trying to pick up a virgin. So I guess Lady Rain does not understand the worthlessness of male sexuality after all. Yes, it is THAT hard to get laid, and especially where I am from, that all this game is necessary and for some men like me it is not even enough.

    The RSD instructor cited by Thursday who said it’s harder to pull Swedish girls than girls anywhere in North America is probably correct. While my experience is Norway not Sweden, it is probably similar and in the last five years I have got laid twice here while the previous five as a student in the US I had sex with 20 women (not counting hookers) and that was without even knowing about game.

    Such is life for men in this sexual utopia for women and as Novaseeker and Whiskey point out those of us who are not getting any pussy are not going to invest in this society.


  329. Lady Rain,

    It’s really quite obvious that you’re being supported by some beta chump who you’re stringing along while you… just kidding.

    For a chick with shorter than shoulder length hair you actually look pretty good. Got a bit of fight in you, too, which isn’t exactly womanly but can be sexy.

    Guys, you have to admit this chick’s held up pretty well against your barrage of alpha-loaded abuse. Like most woman, the mirror’s the last place she’ll look when it comes to why her relationship failed (she was an angel, he was a complete asshole… right). But overall she hasn’t merited the abuse being dished out.

    Whiskey, I hope for your sake the statistical shotgun blasts you’ve pumped into Ms. Rain aren’t indicative of your general approach to women “in the field.” (So you see, babe, that’s why there’s x% of y and z occurring if you p and q and only r% if you a before you b.) Then again, for the sake of future society, I hope they are.


  330. Since PA’s funny as hell send up, I think I need a link to “Lady Rain’s” site. She’s delinked her name here. Anyone still have it?


  331. on May 23, 2009 at 9:47 am Gunslingergregi

    People on cracked where like how would you game lady rain

    After having a piece of a thread where I was cyberfucking some other chic and she obviously read. Here is how.

    “”"”"”"”"on May 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi
    Do you mind if i email you tomorrow lady rain i would like to discuss a few things with you”"”"”"”"”"

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”Lady Rain
    Gunslinger– sure of course! anyone is welcome to message me whenever they’d like.
    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

    Irony is a muddafucca


  332. Thanks Doug and Gunner on the congrats!

    BTW, I have a more true-to-character send up for two of the characters that what I originally wrote:

    Peter/Iron: “Sadly, she is sure the type to have the pedophilic bald eagle :( ((((( ”

    Agnostic: “Ha! a withering hag. She’s no Alizee.”


  333. on May 23, 2009 at 9:50 am Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"aspagus,
    Lady Rain is right on this. If any woman wants sex she can simply have it if she lowers her standards and this admits of no exceptions. The only way for a woman to be so ugly that no man will fuck her is to look like a man, and even then fags would be a dime a dozen. The price of eggs is so extremely high relative to sperm that a woman is worth inestimably more than any man even after she runs out of eggs.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

    Dick is pricless yo. Just like people think g man was bragging too much at 2 pickups a week. Shit 2 pickups a day ain’t no big fucking deal. Bitches a dime a dozen.


  334. Bhetti –

    Are you taking me up then, my green eyed little minx, in a contest of deletion? You’re so hot when you’re stomping your little feet in fury – and worry. (Or even when you’re pretending to, to feed me what I seek, my drama, my pleasing girl.)

    You have your weapons though, many of them. Your powers, tempress. You know I’m not so heartless when it comes to you. Destruction I may risk; but high functioning and happy, so long as addicted, is what I seek.


  335. on May 23, 2009 at 9:58 am Gunslingergregi

    Make an awesome movie that is your life. Woman will love being in that movie.


  336. on May 23, 2009 at 10:03 am Default User

    aoefe

    You men are so happy with even a sniff of pussy on this blog you will waste your intelligence responding to L.R’s diatribe. Beta behaviour? Just askin…

    I am responding to you so who knows.

    Anyway, Aoefe, are you an Irish lassie. Just askin…

    Remember When Irish Eyes are Smiling sure steals your heart (maybe your wallet too) away.

    (Aoefe = EeeFah and I’m a chick masquerading as a chick)

    Pretty good, you almost had me fooled.


  337. From Irish Eyes to Le Punk Rock.


  338. on May 23, 2009 at 10:13 am Default User

    Lady Rain

    I see that you describe your orientation as “Bi.” Maybe you and FeministX should get together.

    You and Femi seem to have similar posting styles and tastes. Indeed I have yet to see Femi and Rain on the same thread. Hmmmm.

    Anyway you can find feministxy at:
    http://feministx.blogspot.com/


  339. As I’ve alluded to here in the past, I am a big fan of Korea; both the beautiful country and the cool people. So it’s no surprise to find out that even their corrupt politicians have honor:

    From the AP news clip via Yahoo:
    Former South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun — whose hard-won reputation as a corruption fighter was tarnished by bribery allegations that drew in his family and closest associates — jumped to his death Saturday while hiking in the mountains behind his rural home. He was 62.

    If you ever saw Sout Korea’s jagged razor-sharp mountains and teh flowered valleys, you’d know that the man went out in style.

    Even his suicide note is manly:

    “I’m indebted to too many people. Too many people are suffering because of me,” Roh wrote in the note left on his computer. “Don’t be sorry; don’t blame anybody. It’s destiny.” He asked to be cremated and a small gravestone erected in his hometown.

    Pieces of shit traitors whom demons will torment for an eternity in hell American politicians like Ted Kennedy, George W Bush, and John McCain aren’t fit to lick a boot of Roh Moo-hyun’s chauffeur.


  340. on May 23, 2009 at 10:30 am Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"Arpagus
    http://www.myspace.com/elemental_goddess“”"”"”"”"”‘

    See what you did here arpagus was go straight up fag. This may be your problem. You should have used your knowledge of the situation to capitalize on the email capability.


  341. on May 23, 2009 at 10:32 am Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”Even his suicide note is manly:

    “I’m indebted to too many people. Too many people are suffering because of me,” Roh wrote in the note left on his computer. “Don’t be sorry; don’t blame anybody. It’s destiny.” He asked to be cremated and a small gravestone erected in his hometown. “”"”"”"”"”"

    Why I was supposed to be born asian.


  342. on May 23, 2009 at 10:41 am Gunslingergregi

    During wwii and die gloriously as a kamikazi bomber hitting the magazine of an aircraft carrier.

    Oh well shit happens sometimes god fucks up. got to deal with it.


  343. Roissy:manhood :: Washington Generals:basketball.


  344. on May 23, 2009 at 10:48 am Gunslingergregi

    There is no mission big enough for me right now on this planet. This blows. We have no great war we have no great crisis. Our greatest war is a spiritual war our greatest enemy is ourselves.

    The stock shit is basically make believe. The war too is disney g rated shit.


  345. Doug: You have brought me much happiness; I have a surprise for you.


  346. Bhetti

    Doug: You have brought me much happiness

    I can see that. Your generosity know no bounds.

    PA gets a bouncing baby boy from his woman and I get …

    This requires some rethinking …


  347. on May 23, 2009 at 11:31 am Default User

    Bhetti

    Regarding your “surprise”:
    1) Does that mean you read that Jilly Cooper book after all?
    2) Is that a blender? [strange but work safe]


  348. Bhetti–

    About that rethinking …

    If that’s how you think it would turn out …

    This requires some more rethinking …


  349. Doug: Reaction: Priceless!

    I will await your rethinking rethinking.

    He takes after his namesake; I was determined not to adore him until I was sure he would stay alive for at least two weeks but on the ride home, he kept on going straight for my fingers as I held him in my lap and stroking them. How could I resist that bonding time? Just like a baby kicking (fluid-filled bag and all). I knew what name he was destined for.

    I am not allowed any other pets and am transferring all my maternal instincts to my fish. Scary babytalk to my fish. Good times!

    Def:
    1)Lol, the answer is in the negative.
    2)Lol, the answer is in the negative.

    PA: You have seen my baby. What about yours?

    I kid, we don’t need to: Polish babies are invariably annoyingly cute.


  350. @PA – congrats to you & family…!

    @bhetti – are you a golden mermaid from the persian gulf…?

    @doug – it’s the thought that counts…

    @gunny – what are you smoking over there? sometimes your posts are on point but a lot lately they are just random and weird. think before you hit enter …

    @LR – so you are a female blue-collar factory worker from rural PA. and around old-school males all the time. well, your views will definitely be different from the typical female who shows up here, but probably closer to the typical male views here in the end than your initial screed would indicate.


  351. on May 23, 2009 at 12:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    What that shit was on point as it gets I picked up some nurse chick to easy.

    oh and maurice shut the fuck up.


  352. Default

    Aoefe is indeed an Irish name. I have blue eyes and I suppose they could steal wallets if inclined, but to this point not required. I find this blog tres interesant. I’ll try to be careful in comments, I’m realizing there’s a deeper subtext here.

    Anyone else reading

    If in fact anyone is interested I’m here to look a little deeper into what men think. I don’t think the group here is representative of the entire male gender but I do think there’s enough representation to make it insightful.

    I’ve only made a couple of comments even though I read daily plus I try to read as much as the thread as possible, (keeping in mind I have a real life). I commented earlier in the thread because it seems to me there are several men here who are intent on learning or practicing Game but when presented with the opportunity to show it here failed. L.R. needed to be ignored after a couple comments, simple as that. Roissy got it right.

    I don’t need or require comments back to this comment, I’m not here to feed, destroy or defend my ego. I’m simply appreciative of the ability to learn what goes on in the mind of men – fascinating. Thanks.


  353. Doug, according to Tood, this can be our adopted child (who cares about genes being propagated!), all it needs is your love.

    So it comes in fish form. They’re much less expensive and annoying that way. Low maintenance.

    Will you deny my poor, orphaned Doug jr. a daddy?


  354. on May 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    at aoefe,
    Yea but rain is literally begging for some dick. There is not much game needed to get her. How did people fail lol


  355. Persian?! Arabian! My heritage is super-secret and that includes the fin-containing elements.


  356. on May 23, 2009 at 12:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    And rain of course wanted Roissy but sometimes you got to take one for the team he he he


  357. Guns–

    What in the unholy hell are you talking about? Do you truly believe that I have problems getting dick? Even if you don’t base it on looks, my personality (meaning the one people in real life are accustomed to) isn’t one of a whiny, clingy woman and that’s pretty much one of the only things that makes a guy think twice about having sex with a girl (assuming she is attractive)

    Furthermore my saying yes to you emailing isn’t “game” on your part. I will happily talk to just about anyone generally speaking and regardless of what a lot of guys here think, I don’t hate men and I’m not “looking for” a Beta to care for me or my son. If I was, I doubt it would take 5 years to find one.

    WOW–

    I’d happily answer you as well, but again all these things are already stated and your story is wrong.

    I didn’t kick him out of our house. I left. I took my sons clothes/crib and my own. I let him keep the house and all the electronics and such we bought together. I didn’t care about any of that, it’s just “things”. I just wanted to get away from him.

    Second after leaving him I went to stay with my sister. He visited our son there maybe once or twice, but once he realized that I really had no intention of coming “home” he turned tail and disappeared. As previously stated. He knew where to find me. Knew the phone number. Knew the address. Did not want rights and didn’t want to pay either so he took the easy road and disappeared. That was fine with me. A few dollars isn’t worth 18+ years of fighting and legal battles.

    Get your story straight, my dear.

    Welmer and Joel

    Yes you can really judge a person by their fun social page
    like myspace. Grow up. The fact of the matter is that two men such as yourselves who clearly hate a woman no matter what could not look at my page and keep calling me a crazy feminist and things like that so you figured “eh… slut is the next best thing” and of course the old psychological stand-by “insult her mothering skills”. Sorry but I have enough confidence in both that your lower-level insults intended to hit on a weak point that is NOT directed toward my looks is just as ineffective. I think you too need a quick study in Carl Jung and some others.

    gig– a don’t know who Fem X or whoever is and please don’t accuse me of being two people because I had no problem telling people that “yes it’s me” on the Cracked forum and also no problem linking my web page.

    For everyone else: There is also a blog on the Cracked forum about the feminist blogger I was referring to if you’re interested it’s under “The Female Anti-Roissy”…. and definitely both sad and funny to read.


  358. Gunslinger–

    Also, Roissy is not at ALL my type physically speaking no matter WHAT his personality. I have no problem admitting that I’m shallow and if a guy isn’t really attractive then I don’t care how nice/smooth/charming he is.

    Roissy isn’t ugly, but I am a “more tattoos the better” type so you can see why Roissy wouldn’t fit my bill. Also I don’t like blondes typically.


  359. Lady Rain,

    Well after seeing your profile I definitely want to ravish/violate you in every way possible. You are quite hot.


  360. on May 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"”"Lady Rain
    Guns–

    What in the unholy hell are you talking about? Do you truly believe that I have problems getting dick? Even if you don’t base it on looks, my personality (meaning the one people in real life are accustomed to) isn’t one of a whiny, clingy woman and that’s pretty much one of the only things that makes a guy think twice about having sex with a girl (assuming she is attractive)”"”"”"”"”"”"

    I didn’t look at your blog haven’t seen your pic. Just going off your comments. I can pick a chick by her words don’t need to see a body.


  361. Bhetti–

    I am not allowed any other pets and am transferring all my maternal instincts to my fish. Scary babytalk to my fish. Good times!

    Could you be any more of a girl? Little heart quotes around Doug Jr. even.

    Somehow it’s charming that you feel so giggly happy / non fronting to share this with me. (Maybe you’ve had too much sun. Naaa.)

    all it needs is your love. ***

    Will you deny my poor, orphaned Doug jr. a daddy?

    I MAY be willing to not flush him down the toilet … if you’re extra coquettish.

    That may have to do.


  362. Well good people, its a pretty straightforward deal here-Women have the upperhand in some ways in the mating/dating dance. But as I said before, it comes with some fine print. Let’s count the ways.

    It has been said that some 80% of all Women who have ever existed have gone on to reproduce, whereas about *half* of all Men who have ever lived have done the same. This alone should tell us what we need to know, that Women, due to both their limited beauty window and as well, their limited amount of eggs, simply makes them more important in sexual-economic terms, if I can coin such a phrase.

    As we all know, Men have the capacity to generate large quantites of sperm; the average Male, if healthy, will create some 16 gallons of jizz in his lifetime. Therefore, jizz floods the market, depressing its inherent value. Supply and demand.

    Therefore, Women are in many ways, in the driver’s seat. They get to choose which Male will win the rights to mount and quite possibly, impregnate her. In Nature, the female almost always chooses.

    The only real exception here, is Rape, which is as much a reproductive strategy as Cuckolding is-and as volatile, risky and not as solid. Nevertheless, rape is an ever constant fear and concern of just about all Women, rightly so, for it often brings with it the threat of death, and until very recently in human history, very little was done about it on a mass or societal scale.

    So, barring out and out rape, which did happen quite a lot down through the ages, the female chooses; she is literally the gatekeeper of who gets his seed planted, and who does not.

    Despite great leaps in cosmetic and reproductive technology, what I have outlined above has largely remained constant-and in some cases, like the Pill and Abortion, to name but a few, only strengthened Woman’s inherent “edge” in the mating game, to such an extent that they now have a virtual monopoly on not only who has sex and who doesn’t, but who lives (will be born) and who dies (who will not be born-aborted). Such a gross imbalance in the sexual market would have to be “corrected” at some point, and hence Game, among other things.

    The fine print however, is as follows: Women have a limited amount of time to make good on the reproductice promise of their eggs. Because eggs begin to literally breakdown after a certain age, on average, a Woman has about the time of the onset of her first menses till about 35 or so to choose a suitable mate, get pregnant, and have at least one child successfully. Because of the way human beings are “engineered”, this too is a tricky affair; human females usually need assistance to give birth effectively, and human young require years of care and supervision before they are able to function on their own. Additionally, human miscarriages are quite common, and the older a Woman is, the more likely miscarriage is.

    Therefore, for Women, sex is an inherently more riskier an affair than it is for Men, on average. They not only have to contend with the prospect of rape (and by extension, death), they also have to deal w/an extended gestation period, nursing period and childrearing period, all of which could come to naught if she chooses badly and does considerable damage to her ability to attract choice mates in the future.

    Barring exceptional Women like say, Sarah Palin, for the most part, once a Woman enters her mid to latter 30s, her choice mate attraction power, and for that matter ability to successfully birth healthy babies, has greatly diminished. Keep in mind please, that even Palin herself, no doubt a very attractive Women at any age, gave birth to a Down’s Syndrome baby, a condition due to genetic failings of the Mother’s eggs. We know this.

    So Women tend to have a shorter time future orientation, and, because most of them can and do field, in some cases, *daily* offers for sex, it is difficult not only for the vast majority of them to consider things from the Male POV sexually, but perhaps worse, they have a hard time evisioning a time when they’re sexual power-and make no mistake, it IS a form of power-will no longer be a given. Indeed, it is often a difficult, if not painful, thing to witness, particularly those Women who were at one time highly prized for their beauty, to come to the realization that they are no longer viewed in that way.

    At any rate, a Woman will have, on average, 20, 25 years, max, to find the best mate possible and have babies, if that long. And trust me, that is NOT as long a time, as you think.

    For Men, the “mission” is much more difficult early on, but gets easier as he acquires experience, wisdom, status and age. Early on young Men have no or very little status, wealth or other signals of visible success with which to convince females, particularly the more choice ones, to grant him access to their wombs.

    For most guys, getting laid in their earlier years is difficult at best-entire genres of movies, for example, are made just about this important, and often painful, phase in their lives (Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Animal House, Porkies, etc). Only when they’ve gained some age and hopefully along w/it, some degree of status, do things change for the better.

    Because of the inherent biological/psychological “hardwiring” of Women who tend to seekout more socially dominant Males, guys who are older, on average tend to fare better on the mating/dating market than younger guys, again on average. As has been noted earlier, a 35 year old Man, is in a much better position to date and mate, than a 35 year old Woman, all things being equal. And as they both advance in age, it only gets better for the Male.

    These differing reproductive “missions”-which are often at odds with each other-form the basis of the dynamic interaction that defines our species. They will continue to, despite artifical inflation of market value on the female side, and until very, very recently historically, market “corrections” on the male side.

    Hope these ramblings clears the air a bit.

    The Obsidian


  363. Lady Rain bears no relation to Lord Rain.


  364. Lady Rain@
    “Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?”

    Ok – from the get go let’s make it clear that NO endorsement whatsoever is implied in my comment, on what Roissy’s just post. In fact, frankly I think that preying on people’s insecurities is one of those really, really, low and manipulative cruel power games..

    But as an academic point, Roissy is just being congruent in his character, or persona, which is the incorrigible rake. I have a sense he’s more or less laughing in a rather self satisfied way at the degree of angst he’s stirred up.

    Beyond the fact that he’s more or less indicated that he is not above power-plays and outright mental cruelty, I think that he enjoys and frankly relishes playing the role of public Bastard Generale. It is perhaps possible that he even hams it up to a degree. Or perhaps not. Either way I think that your reaction was the reaction he intended …

    Next, either way, as another pure academic point, almost everyone, every man, and every woman, has insecurities. So your characterizing this as a mental problem is almost like a bit of psycho-babble in which you in effect characterize the vast majority of men and women alike as having mental problems.

    Really.

    No one is so rock solid in their internal conception of themselves that they have no insecurities. Some of the greatest people in history have been plagued by incredible self doubt and insecurity, Doctor Phil pop psycho-babble aside. It shows up in their diaries and biographies.
    Part of growing into our own skins is the process of dealing with our insecurities. This is part of becoming an adult, but we always have something roosting deep within that the right bastard can pry open by observing us. We often give our insecurities away very easily with our behaviors and compensations.

    Dear god, I see this all the freaking time, one of my best friends was until recently married to a girl who was not only manipulative, sociopathic, cruel, and whorish, but who kept him on a leach by very intelligently playing off his insecurities, mixing flattery with subtle insults, fucking his “friends” and neighbors, then manipulating him into blaming himself. In fact most of the playette chicks I see running around are somewhat adept at wrapping boys around their fingers by playing on their insecurities, but this gal was a master.

    I sit around and observe pickups all the time at local bars. It’s a hobby, it amuses me. My clique of friends and I will sit around in coffeehouses or bars and observe people. It’s fun. Something I constantly notice is that some of the most intelligent women, of higher educational or social economic status, seem to be the easiest quarry for guys running around running Roissy style insecurity game.

    I have a large social circle, and many of my female friends have been seduced by the same 3 guys around town. 3 men in my town who collectively seem to hit so many girls doing the same sort of things Roissy talks about that it never fails to astonish me.

    In fact, I used to use it as a dating filtering out process. If I find out two of these guys consecquetively hit up a particular girl then I just confine my future interest in her to friendship alone, because two of these guys are known to be carrying unpleasant bugs indeed…

    Hundreds, upon hundreds of girls within a 3 mile radius of the café I’m sitting in, right now, KNOW these dudes, know their reputations as heart breakers, know that they have been through literally a few hundred girls from the age of 14 to 40, and yet they still fall for them, one guy in particular. Maybe it’s his clear blue eyes or something. Or maybe it’s his game. He isn’t a pretty boy by any stretch. He has rugged Anglo Saxon looks, but he’s short. Short and rugged. The other two guys I refer to are prettier.

    The guy has banged a couple of my male friend’s wives even. He even cuckolds lesbian couples. No girl I’m remotely interested in gets introduced to him, if we are in public and he walks in it’s like;

    “gee sweety, hey it’s getting late. Let’s go get… some ice cream.. oh that guy waving at me, yeah he’s a buddy, I’ll catch up with him later. Out, out the door with you (insert sound of me playfully slapping her ass)”

    I always sit close to exits anyway.
    He’s a good guy in many ways, intelligent, soulful, a great guy with guys, but just very manipulative and prone to playing on girl’s insecurities to get them in bed. Great guy, just don’t let your 14 year old sister near him.. or your mom.

    The most intelligent ones again fall the easiest. Or the demure ones from the good parts of town. They all seem to want to save him, find his good side, nurture it, bring it out – they all think they will be the one who saves him from the amoral empty vapid world of the serial man whore. The rougher girls from the trailer parks or the streets have their insecurities alright, but they seem so damn used to guys playing on them that this stuff doesn’t seem to work as well on them…. But even still, it can.

    If you met him in a Starbucks and knew nothing about his past I can promise you he’d have you bent over laughing in 5 minutes, and bent over a sink in the bathroom in 20 minutes. This is only a slight exaggeration. Most women are surprised at how quickly their resistance flees.

    Anyway you might want to assume that these women were all whores, but I would resent that because some of them are close friends of mine. While I know some of these girls are fast, very fast, and easy, others have a reputation of being notoriously not easy, even ice princesses. Solid practical girls with good common sense who seem to have great self esteem. Prying open their legs with an off handed insult would be an exercise in extreme futility. Except for him and his cocky little smirk and a backhanded insult that hit them somewhere tender….

    To some degree there is nothing wrong with this in principle, as kids we all tease each other a little bit on our weak points… Sometimes though a bit of harmless teasing strikes home someplace sensitive, and we learn to grow up and not rib on people too bad..

    NOW all of these 3 guys I know have insecurities themselves and a lot of self loathing.. perhaps their introspection on this makes it easier for them to leverage a girl’s insecurities to quickly get in her panties….. in spite of serious self loathing issues it doesn’t stand in their way of poon though.


  365. Doug:
    True: Sun? England?

    All your pet animosity is endearing yet I’m not fooled: I’m not the one who (unconsciously?) sweetly implied ‘I would rather have an actual child, presented to me by my woman‘:

    PA gets a bouncing baby boy from his woman and I get …

    This requires some rethinking …

    I was happy with you just wanting a fish with me, prince of mine. But apparently it’s affection diverted to a product of your genes or nothing, you jealous man ;)

    Ever your girly girl,
    Bhetti.


  366. on May 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm Default User

    Emerald aoefe

    Aoefe said: “Aoefe is indeed an Irish name.”
    But is she Irish, or just born to Hibernophile parents?

    Aoefe said: “I find this blog tres interesant.”
    Maybe French?

    Aoefe said: “I’ll try to be careful in comments, I’m realizing there’s a deeper subtext here.”

    I would be interested in your comments on the subtext that you detect. It is OK to be careful but don’t be too careful either. When the cigar smoke clears and you peer beneath our gruff exteriors, we are not too bad really.

    Aoefe said: “I don’t think the group here is representative of the entire male gender…”
    Correct: We are definitely the cream of the crop.

    I was going to comment on your comments regarding the gaming of Lady Rain, but this is getting too long.

    Slan for now.


  367. on May 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm Non-loyalist

    Obsidian,

    there’s a quote from Oscar Wilde along the following lines:

    “Men know life too early. Women know life too late. That is the difference between men and women.”

    I always read it in the way you described above.


  368. Kamal I agree that I’m sure these methods DO work and I also agree that Roissy just plays it up to get people fired up…. you know, the old “bad publicity is better than no publicity” type of thing.

    As I said, a large portion of men reading these see the humor, the exaggeration, and know that these are just basic psychological things you can tap into in any person. A lot of these guys would not go to the dramatic extremes that Roissy does.

    It doesn’t piss me off that men USE this method because women have their own brand of the same thing psychologically speaking. What pisses me off is that I think deep down Roissy knows that the guys who are REALLY desperate will take everything he says LITERALLY and wage war on women with it. I said before that for SOME men on here Roissy is misleading them to believe they have power in being a man-whore. This is like women who think there’s power in being slutty.

    It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit. He clearly WANTS to be the bad boy and notorious and he can’t do that without being a vampire of the men he’s supposedly trying to help. He’s not a champion for men, he’s a champion for himself and has no prob giving out vague advice and knowing that some types of guys will interpret this however they choose and go off the deep end.

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.


  369. on May 23, 2009 at 3:21 pm Tupac Chopra

    Rain And:

    Lady Rain bears no relation to Lord Rain.

    Glad to hear it.

    That reminds me, I forgot to tell you in that other thread that I found Ma Rain to be quite fetching.

    Your mom gives Tupac good chub.


  370. on May 23, 2009 at 3:22 pm Non-loyalist

    And while I’m at it, here are a few more OW quotes. Wit aside, I think many of them are surprisingly relevant, even on-topic.
    *
    Plain women are always jealous of their husbands, beautiful women never are. They are always so occupied in being jealous of other people’s husbands.
    *
    There is only one real tragedy in a woman’s life. The fact that the past is always her lover, and her future invariably her husband.
    *
    Twenty years of romance make a woman look like a ruin, but twenty years of marriage make her something like a public building.
    *
    Women have a wonderful instinct about things. They can discover everything except the obvious.
    *
    Women love us for our faults. If we have enough of them, they will forgive us anything, even our intellects.
    *
    Women are never disarmed by compliments. Men always are. That is the difference between the two sexes.


  371. on May 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lady Rain:

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    Did you squirm squishily in your seat when you wrote that?


  372. Numero Two – Second point….

    Echoing what Maurice herself and others pointed out, Lady Rain not only do I think you are missing some of the point of Roissy’s blog, but you also are assuming anyway that most of the male readers of this blog “follow” Roissy, which may be somewhat of an incorrect statement. Sort of, say, shooting from the hips without really getting familiar with the diversity of male, and female, opinions on this blog.

    Utterly missing the ladies (like Maurice, or Bhetti, or Sara, or chic noir, or Nicole) who either actually find one or two things of value in Roissy’s worldview, or despise it all the same but glean interesting take home lessons for their own dating lives… as well as utterly missing the guys who either do not find anything worthwhile in his views, or who may find only limited personal value in his views and observations, or who just find him to be utterly full of crap but still intelligently (or not) debate him.

    One thing that I am noticing and noticed from the other thread is how personally you take much of what he’s posting, even to the point of projecting onto other male posters what is really only fully appropriate for him. I can only assume that this degree of personal umbrage is partially due to encounters with roissy like individuals in the past..

    This is a very, very, sincere point; consider the distinct possibility that your reactions are expected on his part, and that a very real reason that he writes certain things in certain ways is to encourage certain reactions. The man’s a damn good writer, whatever one think of his worldview, and it is not inconceivable that for a man of his intelligence and worldview, certain reactions might simply be the point, and be a form of amusement a sort of; “he’s not laughing witcha, but atcha” dynamic.

    I like reading this blog, and its comments. Why? Because it is a veritable cross section of what is going on in our dating culture today, the bad, the good, the ugly, the beautiful. Feminists and anti-feminists, Dissolute Rakes and bastards pissing on other’s worldviews, and sad, but good, little boys trying to defend their worldview. Sweet girls drawn like moths to the flame, and embittered girls seeing red reading someone advocating the very things that broke their hearts. The war of the sexes and the war of the genders. A highly literate train wreck in the midst of the inevitable decline of the Occident. The ancien regime died, what occurred thereafter is no new order, only the final fading of the twilight’s red glow beneath the horizon.

    In an atmosphere like this the intelligent can find far greater freedom and personal autonomy than ever before through greater understanding, there is a creative space to carve out one’s own fiefdoms..

    I read misandrist and misogynist blogs alike, radical feminist and progressive, and radical anti-feminist and right wing. Reading the give and take in opinions back and forth is very interesting to me, as long as I am able to refrain from letting my personal pains, my personal sufferings, my personal relationship history distract me from what is happening before my eyes.

    I posit that a person can learn a lot not only about themselves but also others around them based on how they personally react to these sort of posts, and where inside of them comes the emotion with which they react, and also about our culture in general, and why it is so hard for men and women to connect with each other in a lasting and meaningful way today.

    The nuances are important, the intent in-between the words are important. Being goaded into revealing too much of our own inner pain, and the subsequent rationalizations following thereupon, is very interesting.

    Anyway that was my personal advice. If your reactions are coming from a place of “wanting to help confused guys” realize that men who have literally fucked a couple hundred women may tend to be somewhat set in their ways and incorrigible and perhaps acting from a script based on their own early experiences of female sexuality, experiences that may have left them very wounded. Consider the possibility that just as you don’t need men in your life, as you somewhat sarcastically put it, for anything else other than cock, based perhaps on your own experiences with your baby daddy, that there are some men who literally want nothing else from women – based on THEIR own dating history and heartbreaks – than easy pussy.

    The pity of a priest talking to a rake is easily forgotten when that same rake is rummaging through a nun later that night. The road to hell, for some, is paved with indifference and even gleeful abandon and laughter.

    Anyway while you stick around, perhaps you should take a more nuanced look at the sheer diversity of contrarian opinions posting here.. and reflect on the personal nature of your posts, and where the energy that you put into your posts really comes from, and see whether that place is wounded and needs a bit of attention and healing…


  373. i googled “female anti roissy” and clicked onj a cracked blog web page. guess what I see?

    Lady Rain: ” Actually I WAS a stripper for about 8 months and although I didn’t dance for long”

    http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?topic=47774.msg1162809#msg1162809

    Lady is the gift that keeps on giving. I don´t think she is the same person as feministX, but anyway, they both represent the pure evil of feminism. They are the barbarians destroying civilization.


  374. Lady Rain and other women here who keep making irritiable comments about “game” overlook the best means available for their gender to overturn his ideas: Just display a sustained preference for non-game-type guys for fucking. Not “I like him” or “I want to nest with him so I can stop working”. But fucking; the kind of pull your own panties off to offer a dripping pussy to a guy type fucking. But to Mr. Beta? the well intentioned, basically decent, eager to please sort of guy? Your horror at the idea seeps thru your postings and renders pointless all of your cavilling.


  375. “I was once a stripper and I don’t believe it warped my attitude towards sex at all. Overall I feel it was a positive experience”

    another pearl in the cracked forum


  376. the male version of it would be ” I was once an eunuch and I don’t believe it warped my attitude towards sex at all”


  377. gig@

    Lady, face reality, every men who has a little bit more dignity than David Alexander, once hearing that you have a son, and there is no story you could tell to make I sound better, will dump you. Only the desperate or the losers will accept you.”

    I disagree. While I’m not a loser, and I have dated single moms before, my case is hardly relevant. In principle though it does show that this opinion could be somewhat .. inaccurate. And while I have been desperate at discrete times in my life… It has been a long time since I’ve been desperate, and I certainly wasn’t desperate at the time of dating these girls.

    When I date someone while having other options, a lot for me depends on her personality. If I like her, and she and I can find a connection, then I may pursue something. None of the single moms I’ve dated (and there have been very few) have every wanted me to become their kid’s surrogate fathers, even though these kids tended to like me, and I take to them to and treat them well. Play ball with them. Read to them. Etc.

    At this point of time in my life I’m not interested in seriously dating a single mom, and I currently have little interest in pleasurable flings with the same, but who knows it could happen again.

    If I met the right girl with good character, who happened to have a child from a previous marriage or relationship, who was very open to having my children, then I very well could pursue it. It depends on the woman, and her maturity. My ultimate aim always was marriage and children, so when it became clear to both of us that no future could be in this arrangement then we part, on good terms. If this changes then it changes.

    I HAVE noticed some intelligent single mothers tend to be more mature than other women their age, as if they had a mistake, learned from it, and moved on.
    Others of course do not, in fact I’ve sometimes met basically 14 year old girls in 29 year old bodies. Often THESE were not working class girls, but were single moms from upper middle class backgrounds (it happens), who got knocked up, decided to keep it, were spoilt silly to begin with and by 25 their parents get tired of facilitating their party lifestyle. In particular artsy girls.

    Basically a sign of our times is that bastardry has no stigma in this age. This is contrary to the last 3000 years of human history east and west, in all but the most barbaric of cultures. Some regard this as progress, others regard it as regress. I simply notice it for what it is. I am just putting it as it is, with as few euphemisms as possible. Bastardry is bastardry, there are wider social effects to men and women accidently popping out bastard spawns, both male irresponsibility and female irresponsibility, as long as we are realistic about the wider effects, things are good.

    I am a child of an earlier age anyway, bastardry has a huge stigma for me and my family, a dishonor. But I am world weary, weary of fighting a culture that is increasingly like a freight train on an incline with stripped brakes. While many of my core values come straight out of the bloody 14th century, I just accept that I am somewhat out of sync with the culture as it stands now. I try to see things as they are, even where they depart from my ideals. I feel like a man in the middle of bombed out ruins, just gazing at all that surrounds me, and calmly accepting:

    “Here are the ruins, here I am, how do I navigate my way through the ruins without loosing sight of who and what I AM?”

    While I would never try to be a father to someone else’s bastards, I CAN be a child’s friend, a wiser older male figure to give them advice and to teach them. I love children, they are beautiful wonderful creatures to me, I just have no interest in disciplining another man’s bastard spawn. As long as that is understood I have been very open, in the past, to settling down with an attractive intelligent and sweet woman who happens to be a single mom.


  378. on May 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Shit I am nostalgic for the hood today. Listening to some Wutang.


  379. At this point of time in my life I’m not interested in seriously dating a single mom,

    so you have pumped and dumped single mothers. the fact that you pumped more than usual, so as to qualify it as dating, doesn´t change the fact that they all ended dumped by a man with options, ergo, not a loser or desperate.

    If I met the right girl with good character, who happened to have a child from a previous marriage or relationship, who was very open to having my children, then I very well could pursue it. It depends on the woman, and her maturity.

    the first part in black: do you know, Kamal, how critical that jump is? it simply ” happened” ? Also, I wrote focusing on Lady rain, and you are considering a gneral rule. A girl could be tricked and abandoned by the father of her child, but Lady rain specifically chose a thug. The thug part is impossible to explain to any man with dignity.

    the second part in black: thautology. Also, the very fact that she is a single mother “depends on the woman”.


  380. Obsidian — Not familiar with Lionel Tiger. Ehrenreich is a loon, like most feminists. Her view of Marriage as prison and desire for lots of sexy bad boys while someone else raises the kids is echoed in Lady Rain’s views. Suggesting most women espouse that view of feminism at least.

    Days of Broken Arrows — good points but the problem as both Theodore Dalrymple in the UK, and Charles Murray in the US have suggested, is that these norms are infecting MIDDLE CLASS WHITE WOMEN. Only (so far) Upper Class White women have refrained from illegitimacy and chasing bad boys, likely because there’s just too much money at stake (i.e. divorce means not the status-mansion in the Hamptons for “Summering” but a rental!) White middle class women are eroding into illegitimacy and bad boy chasing SLOWER than other groups, but are indeed eroding. Charles Murray estimates that White Middle Class women have 20% illegitimacy rates, a good proxy for bad boy chasing, and up something like 15% over twenty years.

    Silver — Lady Rain is some chick far away. She’s got a kid and a thing for bad boys. She’s younger than me. She’s probably uninterested in the things I’m interested in, and vice versa. Therefore, why the heck should I care about flirting with her? Really, what would be the point? Why would I waste my time and effort?

    And baldly put, once Lady Rain ages out of attractiveness, that’s her future. Most EVERY guy in person will treat her the same way I do: just like a man. She’s either got the goods intellectually, or not. Relying on past looks long gone won’t get it done. FWIW I’m glad she’s posted here. She confirms my views that women with financial security will always fall into bad-boy chasing (lots of tattoos, etc.)

    Most men probably now divide women into four parts (apologies to Caesar): relatives/friends (who generate protectiveness/comfort), co-workers who generate polite, non-commital distance, anonymous strangers who excite no sexual interest (and get treated like men), and targets of sexual interest.

    Even the female sexual utopia has it’s price. This end of chivalry/reflexive flirting is one of them.

    Obsidian — good point, and relates to one I’ve made in my blog. Ever declining birth rates means that older guys looking for girls ten to six years younger find fewer women available. That means even among older/wiser/sexier guys with status/power, a good number will lose out, or be forced to settle with near-same age peers who’ve played the musical chairs too long and have no real ability to bond.


  381. Gig–

    If I were embarrassed about have been a dancer in between jobs, I wouldn’t have posted openly in the forum and also wouldn’t have suggested anyone read the feminist blog.

    You are simply reinforcing the fact that I’m not a hardcore feminist. I didn’t dance to be “empowered” nor did I dance because I was desperate for money. I danced because I wanted to try it and it was fun! Certainly not something I’d suggest someone do for more than a few months, but it gives women a chance to become more comfortable with their bodies if nothing else.

    How is a former dancer and CNC Machinist the epitome of “feminist evil”? I would really like to see how you logically explain that.

    An angry feminist is offended when a man opens a door for her because she thinks it means he thinks she is weak

    An angry feminist would NEVER dance nude for the amusement of men no matter how much it paid

    An angry feminist is not proud of being “feminine” in the classic sense of the word, she is proud of being as manly as she can.

    An angry feminist does not joke about a woman’s blog about “rape” in a comedy forum.

    You can call me may things, Gig but you are way off base here. I do take it as a positive experience. I got hours of free exercise each night and got paid handsomely for it. If you try to say that dancers are “stealing money” from men type crap, you are incredibly backward. Men go into clubs KNOWING they are essentially giving their money away to a woman who is never going to return the favor either sexually or financially. These men are not “victims” of feminism because they could easily go to a bar and spend $10.00 get a really drunk chick more drunk and fuck her if he was looking for that so I hope you aren’t going to try THAT argument.

    I don’t get what you’re trying to make me out to be but I think “evil feminist” is pretty off the mark.


  382. Whiskey–

    I’m sorry to say, but you really are retarded. You literally just said that I represent women who have someone else raising my kids while I’m out fucking bad boys?

    Did you READ anything I posted previously? I wasn’t “abandoned”. I left my own home by choice (our home) and him as well.

    Also, I don’t receive child support, I live alone in my own place with my son, and am not on welfare or married/divorced collecting alimony so could you please explain exactly HOW someone else is raising my son and WHO that might be?

    My parents are of the old school and not “kid people” by nature. They love their grandchildren but don’t ask to see them more than maybe once a month or so. They are not the type to spoil/coddle their daughters (my sister and I) and therefore would NEVER consider raising our kids for us. I was raised in an upper-middle class household but NEVER was given money without earning it myself. Not even an occasional 20 here and there.

    So once again, you saying that I live off of others is the exact opposite of how I lived my life at ANY point. The only way your comment makes sense is if one assumes that I am lying about EVERYTHING I said and it is all the TOTAL opposite of what I said here.


  383. It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit. He clearly WANTS to be the bad boy and notorious and he can’t do that without being a vampire of the men he’s supposedly trying to help. He’s not a champion for men, he’s a champion for himself and has no prob giving out vague advice and knowing that some types of guys will interpret this however they choose and go off the deep end.

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    LR –

    All Roissy and people like him are doing is giving men a tool kit to crack the code of attraction in this very darwinistic, dog-eat-dog world of male/female interaction we have going at this particular point in time. As Obsidian has pointed out, game (including using insecurities as Roissy describes here, albeit with some exaggeration) is merely a means for men to make a market correction in what is an otherwise tremendously female lopsided sexual market. Game and the system of game are merely a means for men to put aside the cultural programming about women, learn about female sexual psychology and attractions, and put that knowledge to use. Some men will use it to find a mate. Some men will use it to find a lover. Other men will use it to screw as many women as possible. What a man does with it is up to him. But Game itself is just a toolkit and an attitude adjustment which men who are interested in being with women to some degree can deploy with success. It works. And it works because it makes women feel good — attraction generally does. What is there to object to about that?


  384. To Lady Rain’s credit she did say that the child’s grandfather has a real role in his life. This is VERY important, both of my grandpa’s had an important role in my life. It mattered, in particularly because I was exposed to values from another generation which gave me a real degree of… objectivity in looking at the beliefs and practices of our age. Few people remotely imagine just how different our culture was even 50 years ago. Or they imagine only progress, not having any clue how much perhaps has also been lost, of good, simply by being out of touch with another generation.

    The biggest problem with Western culture, in Europe and America, is the disconect between the generations. Really. I have no problem with progress, as long as you have some grounding in your past. Without this you become rudderless. Those who doubt this usually flounder badly later in their lives and start to realize – too late – the truth to this..


  385. Jamal Utterly missing the ladies (like Maurice, or Bhetti, or Sara, or chic noir, or Nicole) who either actually find one or two things of value in Roissy’s worldview

    Uh Maurice is a woman??? What have I missed?

    jamal and that a very real reason that he writes certain things in certain ways is to encourage certain reactions. The man’s a damn good writer, whatever one think of his worldview
    I have to agree with you here. At times I want to kick his squirell food, but I can’t front on his writing ability.

    jamal certain reactions might simply be the point, and be a form of amusement a sort of; “he’s not laughing witcha, but atcha” dynamic.
    Agreed, to bad some of our male commenters don’t get that.


  386. Lady Rain

    A single mother, giving birth to a thug´s son. Hoping that grandpa will fill the void left by daddy. A mother of a kid of 5, who posts a picture of her ass in a public forum. A woman who considers working as a stripper some normal thing.

    Your life style and your choices are unsustainable. Who will be the grandpa of your grandsons? The social consequences of your choices are nothing but the destruction of western civilization.


  387. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/fashion/weddings/17KLEIN.html?fta=y

    Beta of the Month candidate right here folks. This good-looking 28-year-old Italian instructor at UCLA should be banging open-minded, tight-assed undergrads every fucking weekend. Instead, he’s marrying a DIVORCED woman, a LAWYER who is FIVE years OLDER than him. He needs to be slapped upside the head about 50 times. Could he make any worse decision with his life?


  388. Non Loyalist,
    Thanks for the Oscar Wilde quote.

    O


  389. Kamal–

    I agree that a boy just being around a man of older generations implies a more “strong silent” manliness than most of this pomp and peacocking. (in the way of child-rearing). My father is a man that I would be very proud to have my son grow into. He’s hard working and expects no less from other humans. There is no excuse for failure except not trying hard enough. Money isn’t handed to you. Also, a man of that generation would be HORRIFIED by the way some men on here are referring to their wives and girlfriends. In those days, a self-respecting man doesn’t whine about his marriage issues, he addresses them privately with his wife.

    In my opinion THAT is an Alpha man.

    Nova–

    I don’t have a problem with these methods in and of themselves. I don’t have a problem with guys using this as good dating advice or ways to have more confidence in talking to women (etc).

    I’m also not bothered by Roissy’s “tone” because as I said before being notorious is better than being unknown in the mind of an attention-whore such as himself.

    You mentioned that people have the right to live as they choose. I wholeheartedly agree and previously stated that there is a fine line between “living your life” and “living your life at the expense of others”. The men who DO decide to use this as a weapon against women in general ARE effecting the lives of others and possibly the person’s children and families as well. Call me an idealist, but when a person’s “exuberance for life and experiencing it” can literally take away the right of another person to live the same way, there IS MUCH harm!

    I am definitely guilty of my own brand of underhanded “women tricks” of course! I don’t play to be innocent either, but I also know that I don’t have the right to fuck up everyone else’s lives just to make myself feel better.

    It pisses me off because Roissy KNOWS there are men like this and writes more dramatically knowing that some will take it literally. It’s childish because essentially he’s not happy just ruining the lives of women HE knows, he want to have mindless minions do it FOR him everywhere! These guys that DO hang on his every word and not just take it as “dating tips” are essentially his slaves…. to me if you’re okay with “I’m a dick and fuck you if you don’t like it” you should at least have the balls to admit you are just playing on guy’s insecurities as much as the women’s. People who act like they’re a “champion” of a cause when they’re out for themselves piss me off in general.


  390. Whiskey,

    Therefore, why the heck should I care about flirting with her? Really, what would be the point? Why would I waste my time and effort?

    I didn’t suggest you should have flirted with her. It was the general nature of your interaction with her I took…well, no I didn’t take exception to it. It just startled me. You basically told her rat-tat-tat why her life and her son’s life will turn out a piece of shit, that there’s little she can really do about it, and she deserves it all anyway. Way to go.

    Even the female sexual utopia has it’s price. This end of chivalry/reflexive flirting is one of them.

    Cut off your nose to spite your face why don’t you.

    To hell with that. “Game” can be played chivalrously. Men cursed women for failing to keep their own wits about them well before “sexual utopia” arrived on the scene. (Are you sure it’s that great for chicks? Really? With not one among us who doesn’t think a slut a filthy slut?). None if it’s a reason to toss out chivalric ideals (revised and updated, of course).

    I won’t patronizingly ask you to “trust me,” but there’s nothing “beta” about me when it comes to chicks. I may not have all the cool lines this Roissy’s got but I can’t remember the last time I felt I was being “played” by a girl.


  391. “I have no problem admitting that I’m shallow and if a guy isn’t really attractive then I don’t care how nice/smooth/charming he is.

    Roissy isn’t ugly, but I am a “more tattoos the better” type so you can see why Roissy wouldn’t fit my bill.”

    Lady Rain, I appreciate your attempts to keep up with people who are of much higher IQ than you here, but seriously? You don’t see what’s wrong with what you said above?

    You’re 28, and ok, not bad looking. Nice ass, tits kind of small. I’m in law school, so we’re from different classes. I’d pound you in a bar bathroom but I doubt I’d be seen with you in public. You have a kid and your looks are deteriorating. Yet you actually aren’t ashamed of being completely shallow and interested in tattoos. This goes to what Whiskey talks about. You’re almost 30! You write like you’re about 16. What the fuck is wrong with you? You have no perspective whatsoever as far as what to look for in a man. I see you as you are, as a trailer trash ho who’s worthless for anything other than a pump and dump.

    Since you live near my parents, I might be available to stop by for said pump-and-dump. Leave the kid with a relative for a couple hours.


  392. it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    Unlike women, guys are surprisingly generous about helping all sorts of other guys learn stuff. We like mentoring. It’s part of our make-up. Besides, it’s always good to have another guy in the pack.


  393. Thursday: Although women don’t mentor women the way guys do, they still do. Most women I meet attempt to pass on wisdom to me and this element is heavily present in female journalism.

    You need to expand.


  394. Nova, good points you make in reply to Lady Rain, who, I must say, does make me raise an eyebrow when I read of her personal record. Of course, I recognize her right to her choices, etc…but I gotta tell ya, like I said, it does raise an eyebrow for me.

    At any rate, yea like you said, Game is amoral, merely a set of tools. Its up to the individual as to how he chooses to use them, and to what end.

    O


  395. The men who DO decide to use this as a weapon against women in general ARE effecting the lives of others and possibly the person’s children and families as well.

    LR –

    But I don’t see how it’s being used as a weapon. Game makes women feel good — they feel the rush of attraction and perhaps the sexual exclamation point as well. In this day and age there are no guarantees. If you fall for a guy and sleep with him immediately or almost immediately, I don’t think it’s reasonable to blame the guy who is using Game to get that sex as being a predator who is using Game as a weapon against women. Women who have casual sex with men who pick them up and make them feel the rush of attraction are big girls who can look out for themselves, not the victims of the men who are using Game to pick them up.


  396. Most men probably now divide women into four parts (apologies to Caesar): relatives/friends (who generate protectiveness/comfort), co-workers who generate polite, non-commital distance, anonymous strangers who excite no sexual interest (and get treated like men), and targets of sexual interest.

    Whiskey –

    This is my experience as well, in terms of market segmentation analysis for men.


  397. Gig–

    Again you are guilty of continuing to NOT read words, look at a picture of me and be wrong once again.

    I don’t have 5 kids, dumb ass. I have one.

    This is why I refuse to even answer you anymore because apparently even reading the caption BELOW my pictures was too much reading for you where you would have seen the many “these are my nieces and nephews”. If you can’t be bothered to read a one sentence caption before posting a new insult, I can’t be bothered to keep reiterating the same thing over and over to you.

    Jack–

    Clearly you jumped on here totally off topic just to insult whatever woman on here you can find knowing nothing at all about me. My major in college was Law. However, being a lawyer and a single mother would mean being away from my son about 90% of the time, which I’m not okay with.

    If you were as classy as you seem to think you are you wouldn’t “pound a girl in a bar bathroom”. Furthermore I don’t go to bars so you wouldn’t find me there. I have no idea what you look like and it doesn’t matter because I would never ever date a man who talks the way you do in general. It would be embarrassing at both family functions and in public.

    You have no idea what my IQ is…. you have no idea what the IQ of any of the men on here are. Yet you immediately say my IQ is lower than everyone on here.

    That would fall into “hearsay” and not even go as far as “reasonable suspicion” let alone the “evidence” to make your argument valid. You are either NOT a lawyer or you are a very bad one. If you WERE a lawyer you would read back through the facts and previous posts to make you childish rant create the “shadow of doubt” that you wish to create about me as a person.

    I’d expect this from a man with no law experience, but certainly not from one with an IQ as high as yours!!! (sarcasm intended)

    Also you can only assume my “looks are deteriorating” because you have no idea what I looked like 2 years ago, 5 years ago, etc.

    You seem to have the mindset that because I’m not afraid to be alone and not “in a panic” to land a man that I must be immature? Yes everyone knows that a woman who is desperate to find a man is REALLY attractive to the opposite sex (sarcasm intended again). I’m not sure if you’re pissed that I’m not in a man-finding panic or if you’re just pissed I’m alive here on earth, but no amount of warnings about getting older are going to scare me. I’m in better shape now then I was 5 years ago and I don’t even work out. Basically at this point I don’t do anything at all to keep a good figure and stay in shape…. so the only “fear” I have is that I might actually have to exercise someday.

    Also why should I be ashamed that I’m attracted to men who are…. errr… attractive? Way to make no point at all. Do you honestly believe OTHER women like you for your great personality? No. Guess what the ball rolls both ways. Men like an attractive woman. Women like an attractive man. Welcome to earth, sir.

    Also in order to be “trailer-trash” I’d have to be raised from a shitty family (not the case). I come from a family with a decent amount of money and my parents consider a divorce within the family some sort of horrible embarrassment. Furthermore I don’t live in a trailer and never have. I have an excellent education….at least enough of one that a guy like you would become my little bitch in less than 5 minutes because you speak before you think.


  398. Nova–

    I think you missed the point of my post. It’s not that I think he’s tricking WOMEN I think he’s tricking MEN. He is teaching otherwise good guys to disregard all things humans have evolved FROM like relying on the “id” and functioning only to eat, sleep, shit, and fuck. While his advice may be useful, it’s nothing NEW and it’s not “enlightening” to use the word a gentlemen on here used earlier.

    I like to think that most men are MORE than just primal desire based cavemen. He is teaching men who may already have self esteem issues to hate themselves even more and retract back to the days where people barely functioned above the intellect of animals.

    Also I have stated before that women who “play the victim” in a situation where they are not a victim are causing problems for ALL women. Women fuck casually just as much as men do and also play some of the same games. A woman who claims to be a “victim” to every man and refuses to see any fault of her own is MAKING herself the victim. She is showing that she is afraid of men… not disgusted by them.

    In the same way men who pretend that they are battling some huge war that women are allegedly secretly waging for years are also “playing the victim” and thus showing that they are easily fooled by women and are afraid of them as well (essentially handing the power right back to the woman).


  399. Roissy:

    Make more post’s of “Girlfriend Or Fling.”

    I went out yesterday and was studying groups/sets before I approached and needless to say your analysis are really helpfull and hit home all the time.


  400. on May 23, 2009 at 6:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    eat, sleep, shit, and fuck

    What the fuck else are we supposed to do. Repeditive tasks for 8 hours a day watch tv and eat sleep shit fuck.


  401. I like to think that most men are MORE than just primal desire based cavemen. He is teaching men who may already have self esteem issues to hate themselves even more and retract back to the days where people barely functioned above the intellect of animals.

    LR –

    Ah, but perhaps what you don’t understand is that in order to equalize the power — well not equalize, but move it something less unequal — men need these tools. If they want to use them to behave like animals that’s their prerogative. But it isn’t disempowering for them, it’s empowering, and it’s a personal choice. If they want to behave like animals and screw every woman in sight it’s their choice. It wouldn’t be my choice, but I respect the choices of others, and I think you do as well.

    Under the current scenario, without game, most men will not get laid often, if at all. It’s that simple. Women don’t face the same calculus as men do, and I think you admitted that yesterday. The market is completely propped against men right now because of the radical devaluation of marriage and monogamy. Monogamy oppressed women, but liberated men (from being relegated to the “do not get laid” camp). Similarly the nearly complete debunking of monogamy liberated women, but oppressed most men, relegating them, again, to the “do not get laid” bucket. So Game is just a way men have of digging themselves out of that bucket. Are some of the men who are learning game at first very, very bitter about women for passing them over for bad boys? Oh yes, they are. And that is what you are seeing here. But the tool is needed for these men to have any hope at all in the sexual marketplace, and many men will find their way to use it in a more responsible manner once they get some successes under their belts and begin to put the bitterness of years of female rejection behind them.


  402. Lady Rain,
    Wrt “the way we were” it should be noted that life for many Americans were hardly the idyllic picture proferred by Ozzie & Harriet-prior to the 1970s, the biggest divorce boom the USA had ever seen was in the years right after WW2, particularly 1947. And the 1950s was a time of considerable social repression; keep in mind please, that Playboy was born at this time, w/its first centerfold model ever, Marilyn Monroe, gracing its pages; meanwhile, Bettie Page, who would become known more for her BDSM modelling work than her pinup girl work, became something of a household name, along w/Jayne Mansfield, just to name a few. And then there was Liz Taylor and her torrid up and down, on and off marriage/affair to Richard Burton.

    While I don’t deny there were many good things about the past, we should be mindful not to romanticize and whitewash them either. Men of the era were more stoic, yes, but that didn’t necessarily mean they were any better, and often, their wives and families bore the brunt of these Men’s problems, especially those returning from WW2.

    And again, w/all due respect, on the basis of your reports, one could say there’s a big difference btw the kind of Man your dad is, and the kind of Man your son’s dad is. One could also suggest, that the divergence btw the two represents something lacking on the former’s part, insofar as transmitting his values onto you was concerned when it came to mate selection-unless, you dad also has numerous tats and leading man looks.

    Just a thought.

    The Obsidian


  403. on May 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Are you saying it is better to be a worker bee. Than to pimp chicks like you lady rain and let them do the work?


  404. Mr. M as for this blog, same thing. even the most radical feminist/les has a naked pics of herself.
    well I only have pics of myself in my workout clothes. I hope that helps.
    P.S blame it on the playboyization of the culture. Men being turned on only by the playboy type and young girls falling over themselves to look like what men find desirable.

    Pa coment May 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm
    *DEAD FAINT*

    aoefe, you have entered the pit of hell.

    Roissy has blonde hair?


  405. Lady Rain: You’re so full of passion and it’s amazing how much energy you have.

    A person does not take the information presented to them blindly. They digest it, compare it to their worldview, test it. Roissy’s not a fundamentalist pastor preaching to his sheeple masses. He deliberately stirs the pot which challenges, encourages critical thinking, slowly reveals his own tragic madonna/whore idealising, entertains…

    Roissy simply gives permission for a man to be who he wants to be and like himself. To reach for it and make his own reality.

    Yes. That includes becoming a caveman. But so many more possibilities.

    Why would a man hate that? What does he say that is not testable?

    Gunny: The only people I’ve seen actually live like that were close to being suicidal or depressive. For humankind, it is not enough. You need more than that: food for the soul and mind, not just the body. Human interaction for the sake of it. Having some purpose that is bigger than just the individual self. That’s how we’re built.


  406. @Default

    “Maybe French?”
    Non

    “…When the cigar smoke clears and you peer beneath our gruff exteriors, we are not too bad really.”

    I honestly don’t think you guys are too, too bad. Some are a little misguided perhaps and I don’t mean by Roissy (like L.R seems to think).

    My comments? I’m not sure I have the written language skills to formulate a succinct enough summary. I’m frustrated with L.R’s attempt and I don’t desire a tongue lash (or bath as some of you would be wont to add). I’ll remain neutral at this point. I have nothing burning, or important enough to add to the mix for the moment. Thanks for the invite, believe it or not appreciated.

    “Correct: We are definitely the cream of the crop.”

    I think it’s healthy to have a positive sense of worth , at least when it’s accomplished with a good dose (ya make jokes) of self reflection.


  407. low IQ stripper

    I wrote :

    A mother of a kid of 5

    reading comprehension is part of what we call “verbal IQ”.


  408. There is a real sense in which the men in this thread have been accusing the female gender of engaging in some highly dishonest presentations regarding their sexuality. The essence of the claim is that females instincts incline their pussies towards having sex with guys like Mike Tyson while they simultaneously deploy their conscious minds and verbal skills to influence guys to behave more like some well-meaning nice guy.
    Lady Rain responds to this accusation, by saying, more or less, ” You guys should treat us nice and with deep respect, etc.. And for my hot self to fuck, the more thuggish and the more tatoos the better.” Without a trace of irony.
    Let us face facts. Guys are dealing here with entities with NO awareness of their own sexuality. Beats me why one should read anything they write. It is like talking to a robot.
    Bhetti is equally clueless regarding sexuality. She sees the “passion” in Rain Lady but entirely misses the deep, total incoherence.
    The notion that successful gaming of females requires turning off the whole concept of rational thinking (or of taking seriously anything they say) continues to be vindicated.


  409. on May 23, 2009 at 6:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”"”"”"”"Bhetti,
    Gunny: The only people I’ve seen actually live like that were close to being suicidal or depressive. For humankind, it is not enough. You need more than that: food for the soul and mind, not just the body. Human interaction for the sake of it. Having some purpose that is bigger than just the individual self. That’s how we’re built.”"”"”"”‘

    Was that directed at me the guy whose goal is to help give woman a higher purpose on this planet?

    LoL


  410. Whiskey

    How about this little tweak?

    That means even among older/wiser/sexier guys with status/power, a good number will lose out, or be forced to settle with near-same age peers who’ve played musical dicks too long and have no real ability to bond.


  411. on May 23, 2009 at 6:41 pm Default User

    I think it’s healthy to have a positive sense of worth , at least when it’s accomplished with a good dose (ya make jokes) of self reflection.

    Was that a neg? Not bad, not bad at all.

    Two things:
    If I shared with you that De Fault was a Spanish name would you be willing to share your country of origin?
    [I had an Irish girlfriend once (not Aoefe) - hence the curiosity]

    I know it can be tough here but it it gets too bad you can always change your screen name and come back as someone else. :)


  412. PA
    Single motherhood:
    When the boy is 0-12 years old, she controls him by yelling at him. And yelling, And more “geeeeeet over here dammit, turn off that damn TV, why haven’t you doooone your homework yeeeet, look at those mudtracks on the carpet, I just don’t know what to do with you anymore (sob!)”
    From 13-on, he is no longer afraid of her, and from this point on, he’s uncontrollable.

    Sad to say but this is all too common. That’s why women have to think hard about what type of man they are going to have children with. Even if they’ve cut up as a bar skank when they were younger, you must change your tune when you are ready to have children.

    Thursday Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.”

    Please don’t. There are plenty of little boys like Lady Rain’s son(no dig) whose only male rolemodel are male teachers like yourself.

    Tupac via feministx and that women only truly feel sexual desire towards sadistic alphas and badboys, then I’d have to say “yes
    Not true at least not for me.


  413. on May 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm David on ipod

    Re: novaseeker

    I don’t see how men not having sex is oppression given that it takes a lot of work to get the sex. Sex in exchange for nearly most of your pay doesn’t seem ideal to me even with a faithful wife.

    Admittedly we are at an interesting point in society. It seems that the only real choices for women are to become single mothers or refrain from having kids. I almosted tempted to say that if my female friends don’t go the single mother route, they may go childless.


  414. Lady Rain–

    It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit.

    Why shouldn’t men be predators, seeking to more easily get casual sex from women willing to give it to a them if they learn to push her buttons right? You certainly seem to be a sexual predator in many ways. You say you like younger guys and guys with tattoos, and so on. You’ve made it very clear that you’re not looking to marry or otherwise live with a man, despite the fact that a well chosen stable and good role model father figure for your son would be invaluable for him, as research shows. No, instead your dating interests are obviously, and you’ve said as much, basically strictly sexual. That, when pursued by a man, is what women usually mean by “predatory”.

    Women (or young and youngish ones anyway) who do want causal, or short relationship sex, have a much easier time at getting it than men do, as you yourself have said. That’s for supply and demand reasons that go back to biology, it’s by now very clear. Game tends to even that out some for those that have it naturally or get good at learning it. It’s not surprising that a lot of women react against that, and don’t want to lose their edge, or huge advantages, in the dating market, or even see them diminished.

    What’s naturally the case about women’s advantages has been made even more so by our feminist culture that seeks to allow and remove from taboo anything that’s traditionally been called sluttness in women, and at the same time trained men as far as it could (though this has worked principally among more intelligent and highly educated men), to NOT act dominant over women even playfully, to expect female leadership all over the place (which is called treating women as equals but entirely on their terms and that’s not really the goal or even message) and be ok with that, and in general to be pussies. Game is a corrective, particularly as preached by Roissy.

    Although most alphas are pretty much naturally that way by a combination of their biology and their influences and role models growing up, some men at least can learn to be alpha by reading about and practicing game, or become more alpha, or closer to alpha. I’m someone who was never below at least higher beta growing up (actually sort of went into and out of lesser alpha in late junior high and hs). But then during HS and the very beginning of college I taught myself how to break through into solid alpha by analyzing what I did and had done that worked and what bombed (throwing out preconceptions), observing very successful others and saying screw it, throwing caution to the wind, and just trying stuff including outrageous stuff out.

    Basically what I learned was to strip away some of my nice guy family and cultural training, let my playfully dominant side rip, play with girls emotions instead of always excessively making them secure, suppress urges to be too nice particularly at the beginning or if things were going south, stop suppressing my arrogance but rather sometimes highlighting it, peacocking some in a venue effective way, and so on.

    It would have been a easier if I’d then had Roissy to read. A lot easier. As well I’m pretty good at thinking outside the box and being bold about trying stuff and if I’d been less so in either, self teaching would have been a lot harder. So yeah as a “natural” I still think this place is real valuable. That’s just on the game side. He’s also big time about gender realism and anti-feminism, which are at least as much what attracts me.

    I’d even say that we need a whole lot MORE misogyny in our culture at this point in time, as a corrective to the rampant misandry, and the intentional feminist pussification of men. Yeah, that’s the way things work. There has to be a strong and excessive counter voice that becomes heard and is not ashamed but rather proud to speak it’s mind. That’s Roissy’s too. Ultimately I’m for synthesis, sure, and I do that in my own personal life, but the forces must be out there and heard.


  415. Rum: I was being positive, due to the deluge of negativity. Nowhere did I imply anything about her coherence or comment on the quality of the substance of what she said, except indirectly in the rest of the comment I made.

    Still, it’s nice to think cluelessness about sexuality remains or, at least, that that’s the image you have of me that predisposes you to interpret this from what I say.

    Gunny: Not at you, but what you said:

    eat, sleep, shit, and fuck

    What the fuck else are we supposed to do. Repeditive tasks for 8 hours a day watch tv and eat sleep shit fuck.

    I’m glad we agree.


  416. on May 23, 2009 at 7:12 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Sure, women can have sex anytime and it’s easy for them in that respect.

    But as Roissy has noted, what’s difficult for them is getting a guy to stick around. That’s their challenge. And this is what separates the high quality women from the losers.

    This is why women hate game, because it makes them all “losers” in that context. They all become one night stands, which stats show they hate. Games reverses the power in the battle of the sexes, because if no one wants to stick around, women become as sexually useless and men.


  417. I don’t see how men not having sex is oppression given that it takes a lot of work to get the sex. Sex in exchange for nearly most of your pay doesn’t seem ideal to me even with a faithful wife.

    Dave Alex –

    That’s because you have conditioned yourself to prefer porn to sex. Sex is much, much better than porn, even meaningless sex, even sex where she doesn’t reciprocate. Much better. And if you have a social structure that encourages women to settle for men of their own calibre, the sex is even better, better. I know you disagree, but you’re wrong.

    There is a real sense in which the men in this thread have been accusing the female gender of engaging in some highly dishonest presentations regarding their sexuality. The essence of the claim is that females instincts incline their pussies towards having sex with guys like Mike Tyson while they simultaneously deploy their conscious minds and verbal skills to influence guys to behave more like some well-meaning nice guy.

    Rum –

    Isn’t this just another shit test? Shit testing often is not conscious, but reflexive. This seems to be a classic example of it — which path will you take: her words and be a simpering unattractive male, or her actions, and be the man you know she wants. It looks like a shit test to me.


  418. On not abusing the “submit comment” button again… well regard it as a fib.

    0. gig@ Ok.. touché. Point is well taken.

    1. As for Lady Rain’s photo on another forum, well, I for one think she’s a cutie, in a girl next door kind of way. Actually almost a spitting image of one of my ex’s, strangely enough. She has a good chin, smile’s rather charming, appears to have good teeth, and she’s a redhead to boot. She has a womanly look, doesn’t look like a little girl. If she can keep this look for a few years it will be good for her. Single motherhood does tend to put some years on.

    2. Whisky@ ”Only (so far) Upper Class White women have refrained from illegitimacy and chasing bad boys, likely because there’s just too much money at stake..”

    Hmm.. perhaps to a degree, in the case of flagrant, flagrant, debauchery, but with due respect I’m not fully convinced. If anything I think that a certain degree of sexual decadence filtered down to the middle classes from the upper classes.

    Here, now, Paris Hilton like decadent debutantes are a dime a dozen in some party circles. Some girls are recent money, but some are old established families. My town has serious old Protestant aristocratic families and old money. There are a couple of the trust fund baby girls running around here. One girl is so notorious that I found out she has a rep even in Argentina of all places. Yes they chase bad boys for thrills, and oddly enough many of them are quite bad girls themselves.

    Popping e-tabs, chasing bad boys and fornicating with them on coffee shop sofas (happened at my favorite coffee shop, I swear) is one matter – but illegitimacy is another matter altogether.

    Literature and history’s an imperfect mirror. But you can notice some general themes, a general mood, and correlate it with things you see with your own eyes. I see a lot of things through the light of literature. Fiction is polite lying by definition, but literature combined with formal history gives a more interesting and nuanced look at the past.

    Think of Fitzgerald’s Great Gatsby, as a sort of literary reflection of many things happening in American old money circles. Recall that Fitzgerald wrote much about what he saw going on around circles he himself frequented.

    Ian Fleming, the author of James Bond, was a consummate bad boy who went through quite a few British aristocrats. If anything the character James Bond was a toned down version of himself, strongly dominant, liked beating his women, went through them like he went through socks. his wife described his character best…

    There’s was a trilogy of social gossip books written in the early 20th century by an anonymous former member of the house of Lords and an ambassador. He wrote about the excesses of British upper class social scenes in the late 19th century. There are a few amusing though refined bad boy characters throughout them. If you can get hold of “Things I Shouldn’t Tell” at a used book store, there is some really funny stuff in it. I believe we cannot know where we are going until we know exactly how we got here. And contemporary writing’s generally are too biased to give an accurate picture, from both the Left and Right. Early books seem ruthlessly realistic in describing the temper of the age, once you get past the polite formality of the language.

    Correlating early authors the cultural and historical analysis of both older paleo-conservative thinkers (in particular Buchanan) and astute left wing historians and cultural thinkers (who are good at deconstructing an era’s bullshit, though not so good at deconstructing their own), gives me a good set of data upon which I can intellect, spot patterns, notice trends, and sift out the truth from a sea of bullshit.

    Every side always tells some side of the truth, and forgets another, in particular when it comes to sex and the family, some tend to idealize the past over the present, others idealize the present over the past.

    There is immense social embarrassment among certain classes in popping out tiny bastards. But even this has slipped. While for the most part a quick abortion is the socially acceptable and practical thing, I’ve known a couple of upper class girls who have had kids out of wedlock. They were artsy gals though. Not the normal debutante types. There’s different social rules for artist types in society.

    It is true that the general social expectations of Upper class WASP women previously had been immense public decency decorum and great discretion, within their circles, in conducting affairs. Notice the emphasis on public decency. I contend that in the last couple of generations, among the Anglo-American establishment, this has seriously eroded to the point of ludicrousness. At least in some circles. As for middle class women, perhaps this is regional, depending on whether one is in the South, or on the coasts, or the Midwest, but the suburbs.
    Corruptio optimi pessima est,

    4. lest anyone call me out on using the term bastard, please lets stop abusing the English language. Technically I’m might be a bit of a bastard myself since I popped out much, much, earlier than I should have and according to my grandma (who never lets me live this down due to my resemblance to my father) was probably conceived quite a bit before my parents actual formal marriage.. which didn’t even have a legal certificate at first . They just had a religious ceremony and more or less lived common law for a year or two. If someone calls me a bastard, well I just have to accept it, now don’t I.
    Lets be honest, illegitimacy and bastardry are real, and like it or not there are immense social ramifications to our sexual choices. All of them. We can speak in polite terms, or not, but either way you can only spin the truth so far.. We can be more responsible for our choices once we start calling our own B.S. what it is..

    5. Ok, in general on facial criticism of pics – a general note for the ladies unrelated to Lady Rain, just general meditations – you can keep your cute looks for quite some time if you cut out excessive drinking and smoking. It hardens the face, starts to show around 30-31, though warning signs pop up earlier. In particular if you are white and fair skinned. Natural blonds and redheads worse of all (doesn’t seem to hurt Italian and Spaniard girls as badly)

    I know cute merlot quaffing girls who tend to start getting small crows feet around their eyes at 25. Scary. Beer’s worse than wine too, really hot Pabst Blue Ribbon swilling girls become scary. One girl I knew, when I first met her I was attracted to her hot, eh, MILF like looks. So I thought, “hot woman in her late 30s, artistic tattoos she might be interesting”. Wow, found out she was 26, a consummate party girl (pills, blow, and lots of weed) with two kids. And a hard drinker. Her “bad bitch lifestyle” put a decade on her face. She was beautiful, but looked like a beautiful woman pushing 40, and not 30.

    Gals, either stick to occasional hard liquor cocktails and drop the wine and beer, or consign yourself to early aging. Oh, and pills will age you too, speed is death to the face, Coke puts on a few years too, and you can tell a habitual pothead a mile away. She will have a sort of slightly and subtle dopy look. Think I exaggerate for comic effect? No, you have been warned. As for cigarettes, this is common sense, and dip (yes, girls around here do dip snuff) it’s just not good. Just… stop.. it..

    Or don’t, see if I care. But you can’t get one’s youthful looks back once they are lost though…

    That’s all.


  419. Lady Rain

    In the same way men who pretend that they are battling some huge war that women are allegedly secretly waging for years

    It’s called feminism, Anglosphere style, and one of the least well kept secrets in history.

    Although the downsides of feminism, and there are many, have been so taboo to go after in a comprehensive or emotional way in the media and in educational institutions, that in some ways your right, it has been a secretly waged war against men, or most men.

    Secretly right in front of our noses because we’re not allowed to talk about it, otherwise we’ll be “misogynists” and “sexists” who don’t believe in the “complete equality” of women.


  420. Rum: Maybe I won’t try and analyse my sexuality. I’ll just point all those who ask to Doug. He even makes rationality look sexy (give her a thorough smackdown, baby, yeah).

    Damn, I could just obsessively read him and fantasise all day.

    Lady Rain: You may now conclude I have mental problems due to the Doug worship. Feel free. I agree. Can’t separate out the cause or the effect, though.


  421. on May 23, 2009 at 7:32 pm scenebythebrook

    I find this post from that Cracked thread pretty devastating in regards to the followers of Roissy:

    “Seriously, though, two observations.

    One, what really strikes me about fans of someone like this are how similar it is to weight loss for women. Every time some new gimmick comes out for weight loss (new pills, vibrating elastic belts, eat-all-you-want diets, liposuction, new magic herbs) a ton of desperate women will jump on it and just totally believe in it immediately (see testimonials they always get). Even though everyone knows and always has known about diet and exercise, it’s just too much work. It’s so tempting to go, “I tried so hard to stick to the diet and exercise program and I kept blaming myself for not having the willpower, but really all I had to do was eat orange colored foods once a day!” It’s such a relief.

    Same with guys, I think most of them know that women care in varying degrees about your looks, status, intelligence, social skills, and how much you appear to care about them, but trying to address some of those areas that are really lacking (mostly social skills, the other stuff limits your choices but bad social skills hurts you across the board) is really hard, and an uphill battle, and when someone comes along and gives them a shortcut, they jump on it as desperately as a woman might jump on tapeworm pills or a liquid diet.

    In both cases, I think the goal is something that people are really desperate for because those areas are a big part of how society defines what they’re worth – women by their looks, men by their success with women – and tempting easy shortcuts tend to short-circuit people’s brains and make them stupid.

    Secondly, girls that are drawn to abusive men are usually girls who have been abused as children or have been in abusive relationships so pretty much in every “success” case here, they are taking an abused woman and making her problems even worse. That is great. That is like, “Hey, I found a good method for pushing drugs on people, it doesn’t take as much persuading as you think. I just go up to people with drugs in my hand and say, hey, I got some drugs. This seems to work really great on people coming out of NA meetings for some reason.”"

    The comparison of the followers of “game” with fat chicks who are looking for a miracle solution is interesting. The author of the post acknowledges that social skills/intelligence/looks matter– and the betas who follow this blog know this but are perhaps still holding out for a miracle that Roissy will offer.


  422. Persian?! Arabian! My heritage is super-secret and that includes the fin-containing elements.

    Bhetti, are you from Egypt? I once had a school teacher who looked like you. She was from Cairo. Zamalek to be specific.