A recurring Roissy theme, and one that has gone wholly underappreciated by our elites on the Left and the Right, is how insidiously the culture and the sexual market have changed since the advent of the Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse. As a helpful reminder, here are the four sirens I’m talking about:
- Effective and widely available contraceptives (the Pill, condom, and the de facto contraceptive abortion).
- Easy peasy no-fault divorce.
- Women’s economic independence (hurtling towards women’s economic advantage if the college enrollment ratio is any indication).
- Rigged feminist-inspired laws that have caused a disincentivizing of marriage for men and an incentivizing of divorce for women.
As I have written, these changes are slowly, but powerfully, tectonically shifting the courtship playing field. The big winners are alpha males and the big losers are beta males. Alpha females continue to do well because their beauty is so rare that they can successfully leverage their mating capital even when market conditions turn unfavorable. Beta females lose their long term advantage under the new dispensation at the gain of an ephemeral, deceptively alluring short term advantage. The modern PUA, an amalgam of the wisdom of old-fashioned rakes and the science of new-fangled evolutionary psychology, is one outgrowth of this massive and heretofore misapprehended trend.
We’ve had 40 years of this informally polygamous system killing us softly, and the results can be seen directly in delayed age of first marriage, rising divorce rates, decreasing fertility, and harem volunteerism, and indirectly through the coarsening and bastardization of American sensibility and governmental policy (e.g., Title IX, multicult suicide pact, AA, open borders, the ascendence of the therapy culture, and just about every assinine court decision since).
Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Naturally, changes on this scale don’t happen overnight. There was a store of good will and optimistic future time orientation bequeathed us by our beta male forebears — the men of the 19th and 20th centuries who built America into the hyperpower that made France shit its knickers — that will take generations to dissolve into the watery gruel of transnationalist solipsistic hedonism. We may even witness brief moments of cultural comeback, but the overall trend is unmistakeable. We are going the way of Rome.
A few months ago I had an email exchange with Randall Parker who writes two blogs I enjoy – Parapundit and Futurepundit. I wondered aloud what Greg Cochran — co-author of a PC shibboleth-smashing book about how human evolution has sped up in the last 10,000 years (and judging by his online persona a royal prick (my kind of guy) held in high esteem by his fellow genomic scientists) — anticipated the future shape of human evolution would take given the sexual marketplace changes I’ve written about on my blog. Specifically, I wanted to know if the Four Sirens would speed up human evolution even faster than the dawn of agriculture. This was Parker’s and Cochran’s reply (via R. Parker):
Contraception is a selective pressure for the desire to make babies and for less planning. Women who want to make babies won’t use the pill. Women who can’t plan for dinner won’t plan for getting a doctor’s appointment for a contraceptive prescription. I’ve written posts about this on FuturePundit. An Australian twins study found that Catholicism and fewer years of education are both positively correlated with fertility (no surprise on either score).
I asked Greg and Henry about this. Greg says in theory one can calculate the speed at which higher fertility will be selected for. But Henry says there’s not good data on the heritability of fertility.
As for other selective pressures: Greg has speculated that people will become more loyal to family. So the world will become more like the Middle East. Not good.
Greg also sees a biological eugenic arms race on the horizon.
http://www.isteve.com/Thatcher-Speech-Text.htmUnencumbered by post-Christian ethics, the Chinese government recently passed a pre-1945-style eugenics law calling for the sterilization of “morons.” The ruthlessness of this law portends that if China implements genetic enhancements while the multiculturalist West either bans them or pursues a politically correct reengineering of human nature, the inevitable result within a few generations would be Chinese economic, and thus military, global hegemony. As the weapons scientist and evolutionary theorist Gregory Cochran pointed out, “We cannot opt out of this biological arms race any more than we could opt out of the nuclear arms race.” Therefore, those serious about either preventing or decreeing genetic engineering should start planning a preemptive nuclear strike on China, and soon.
Time to speculate about the future. In sum, we will have more people with lower future time orientation (i.e., the temperament to save for a rainy day and delay gratification for greater future gain), more impulsiveness (great for knocking up broads, not so great for building and sustaining first world levels of civilization), and more distrust of societal institutions in favor of tighter familial bonds (great for aspiring warlords and corrupt kleptocrats, not so great for maintaining a loyal national military or respect for the law or a basic sense of fairness).
In possibly what will turn out to be the juiciest irony in all of human history, feminism and its co-ideologies of deceit may usher in an America that looks more like a patriarchal Middle Eastern caliphate of their worst nightmares. The realization of the matricentric utopia that feminism has been clamoring for these last few generations will undo the very foundation upon which the rancid ideology was able to prop itself.
Human nature does not offer us a bottomless chest of treasure. Few are exempt from trade-offs, and no society can have everything its heart desires. To restore American greatness and comity of its people, feminism and its cousin -isms will have to be rolled back. This will mean women will sacrifice their earning power and some career freedom. The alternative is what we have now — economically independent women, freed from shame and the restrictions of their biology by the pill and abortion, following their vaginas straight into soft polygamy, state-supported single motherhood, and grossly unjust payday divorce settlements.
Now I will tell you how to save America from this fate. The answer will surprise some of you:
More PUAs.
America is beyond saving in the traditional ways. The rot has metastasized. There will be no glorious beta male uprising. Like one of the commenters from yesterday’s post pointed out, the first cute girl to bat her eyelashes at one of these revolutionary Che Betas will have him betraying the brotherhood faster than you can say “just the tip”. Nor will there be a repeal of the 19th Amendment, though there should be (and, no, I am really not kidding about that. Exhibit A: Lady Rain).
No, the solution is to give the New Girl Order *exactly* what it wants: Game, and an army of cads that practice it. Force feed the beast until it is choking on its own gluttony. The emissaries of the Great Lie must have the consequences of their ignorance and treachery shoved down their throats. In time, the unabashed pursuit of hedonism and the embrace of Darwinistic nihilism (two potent forces which, coincidentally, happen to have truth and pleasure on their side. Exhibit B: God is dead) will raze the neoliberal monolith to the ground, and from the ashes the eternal human cycle will begin anew, strengthened and revitalized. A complete reconciliation with our tragic destiny gives us the only chance to avoid it.
More neg hits, more qualifying, more takeaways.
Faster, please.
ps: don’t bother recruiting me. i’ll be poolside.
pps: conservatives need to get their heads out of their asses about the nature of women.
How did I end up as an example here?
Also I don’t get the example other than “I hate women….here’s the name of one”
So you are afraid of women who make their own money, don’t live on welfare, and don’t collect child support? Yes, I can see how my being independent is highly offensive to you. Also, you should target an actual feminist….. however I get the feeling I just “bother you” for some reason. How flattering, but sorry you’re not at all my type. I don’t like the “pasty middle-aged but still trying to look college” look.
In possibly what will turn out to be the the juiciest irony in all of human history, feminism and its co-ideologies of deceit may usher in an America that looks more like a patriarchal Middle Eastern caliphate of their worst nightmares.
That nightmare may very well turn into a dreamy dream.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3946
Stockholm is calling…
“you’re not all my type”…
Hah.
AND YET…
*not at all my type
(bleh…)
http://finance.yahoo.com/lookup?s=2+year+treasury&t=A&b=0&m=US
economic note. Normal people don’t know what the term structure of the interest rates means, but it is getting steeper and people should be worried.
Obama’s deficit looks like unsustainable. So holders of American Sovereign Bonds (i.e. treasuries) are selling American bonds of long duration (specially the 10 year bond) and buying shorter durations. The markets are essentially accepting a zer interesto rate to lend to the US government for very short maturities, like 30, 60 and 90 days
The big movers in this are Central banks, specially China, Russia and Brazil. If the amount of “long” bonds (those which last 10 years or more) sold and the number of shorter bonds bought grow enough to reach critical mass, an Argentine like collapse of the US economy will occur
Voting is Beta.
The largest economic force on earth: single American women.
As a group they hold the largest amount of wealth the world over.
the beta revolution is a nerdish masturbation. the number of PUAs is largely given by genetics. Both AJ and Roissy’s views are unrealistic
but a collapse of the bond markets due to market doubts about the sustainability of the American Public debt is a possible scenario. I leave to others to think how a collapse of credit markets would affect sexual dynamics
Roissy, Roissy, Roissy. What am I going to do with you?
A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia,[1] kakotopia, cackotopia, or anti-utopia) is the vision of a society in which conditions of life are miserable and characterized by poverty, oppression, war, violence, disease, pollution, and/or the abridgement of human rights, resulting in widespread unhappiness, suffering, and other kinds of pain.
Don’t you know we create our own reality? Why concern yourself so much with what others create for themselves? It’s just a big tragic distraction. Giving your attention to this kind of crap only insures you’ll experience it yourself. Sure, it’s interesting. To a point, but you use the word “dystopia” so often, I finally had to look it up.
What’s fascinating to me is how the recipe for success has changed for young men. All through traditional literature, as far as I can tell, young men were advised to be honorable, to follow a particular philosophy in their conduct with other men, and so on.
Never, as far as I am aware, have young men been advised to appeal to women on a sexual level.
Not in classical literature, to the best of my knowledge.
Not in Shakespeare’s “Hamlet,” where Polonius tells his son Laertes to neither a lender nor a borrower be, and to his own self be true.
Not in Rudyar Kipling’s majestic poem “If” that he wrote for his son.
But I believe the times have changed. “More PUAs” might not necessarily be a bad move. And certainly, telling conservatives to get their heads out of their asses about the nature of women is long overdue.
the number of PUAs is largely given by genetics. Both AJ and Roissy’s views are unrealistic
Not necessarily. If average herbs and betas simply start acting like assholes to women, women would start finding them attractive.
“not necessarily” == “largely given”
I leave to others to think how a collapse of credit markets would affect sexual dynamics
As a bond trader – I think this could be really interesting.
First thought – the diminished availability of credit will mean that betas can’t over-extend themselves with nice cars, fancy apartments, and big credit card debt in hopes of wooing a girl. Without ‘materialism’ game (a false idol) to lean on, will betas be forced to learn game?
Presumably, the county is more likely to try to increase revenues to pay for increased debt costs than they are to decrease spending. A higher marginal tax rate disincentivizes (real word?) high earners, leading to the same result as above.
The deteriorating fiscal situation of the US and the growing competitiveness and productivity of China leads to a consumption-based cultural boom there similar to the US boom of the 50s. Utopia for Asian-obsessed betas until ‘empowered’ Chinese women learn the power of the cuckold.
That’s all I’ve got.
also, people (i.e. Obama team) still use a 3% potential growth for the US.
The 3% growth rate was sustained by massive debt accumulation. The real potential growth rate of the US must be around 1-2%. take that into account and the Obama deficits look even scarier.
I would like to assume that every one of your presises and conclusions are correct, for the sake of argument. The reason that I want to assume these things is because there is a much more fundamental question.
Why should I care about saving the United States?
What is in if for me? And by that I mean what is in it directly for me? Will I make more money? Get more pussy? Get higher on new and interesting drugs? Live longer?
Sure, it would be nice to be a superhero, save the world and do the right thing, but then again it would be nice to have a money tree or a flying car. Sure, it would be nice.
But is it even possible and, if it is, why would I want to?
I do not tilt at windmills, I do not volunteer and I have no problems leaving any country to live somewhere else once I get enough money. Give me some good reasons to please. Seriously.
“America is beyond saving in the traditional ways. The rot has metastasized.”
“The emissaries of the Great Lie must have the consequences of their ignorance and treachery shoved down their throats.”
This is exactly the conclusion I have come to.We are too far gone for any WHISKEY-like return to “the good ol’ days.”For one,as KAMAL has astutely noted,”the good ‘ol days” werent really that good to begin with.But,if per impossibile,we could somehow return and somehow sweep all the dust back under the rug we will have let the assassins off the hook all too easily.Future generations looking back on our decision will rightly curse us.
All that we would accomplish is to reset the clock-hands back to an earlier position.And you know what happens when you do that,dont you?They simply move forward again to the very position from which you changed them.
“The good ‘ol days” are too good for modern bacchantes.
The Queen is dead!Long live the Queen!
PA–
That’s exaggerated. The sexual appeal was usually sublimated into romantic appeal. That combined being honorable in society with being individually heroic and outstanding, though usually with an emphasis on the later.
One can also exaggerate the degree to which raw male sexual appeal alone is now ascendant even in “bar pickup scene girls”, as opposed to a more rounded appeal of general macho, emotion teasing and light mind playing, and status in some hierarchy, combined with the raw sexual appeal. In fact different mixes work best with different girls, I think.
Edit:
Give me some good reasons to care please.
All the “four sirens of the sexual apocalypse” are exogenous factors that cause “tectonically shifting the courtship playing field”. The solution offered here, i.e., more PUAs, is entirely endogenous. It is hard to imagine attitude change itself could reverse the change happened and happening due to a set of exogenous factors. Even if it does, it would take a long time to show any effect. Imagine there are hawks and doves in both gender, would an increase in the percentage of hawks in one gender increase the percentage of doves in the other?
This is a good read but shows a bit of logical overreaching in certain respects. First, it’s doubtful that human evolution (i.e., makeup of the gene pool) IN AGGREGATE has changed much as a result of modern civilization – which in the context of the social changes discussed on this blog is the last 100-150 years or so, and restricted to in the advanced socities of the west, which remain a small minority of the species. Despite the material advances associated with globalization, much of humainty remains in a Hobbesian state of nature, and so well-equipped, hindbrain-wise, for that environment.
Second, though the fertility bias selectivity toward stupider and more family-oriented people may or may not be real – how do you get to a fundamentalist “caliphate” from there? (note: that’s a very specific historical concept that is misused here.) More like “Idiocracy”. Your Rome analogy is more accurate: societies in advanced states of prosperity-induced moral and cultural decay keep declining until they are eclipsed by more disciplined and relatively “primitive” barbarian hordes. That is to say, they are invaded by the hordes; they don’t become them.
The corrupt elites continue to slide until the values that undergirded their prosperity are gone, but they don’t really return to the old values of religion, etc. The barbarian early post-Roman Christian empires were Gothic, Visigothic, etc. – not Roman. This also included a major shift in religion, though, from pagan to early Chrsitian – so, maybe we’re in store for something like that eventually. A new religion that ecplises the fading, hypocritical, out-of-touch Christianity that looks a lot more today like the fading paganism of ancient Rome than the vibrant faith it was in its early centuries.
More interesting are the short-term solutions for today that might actually come to pass – that is, the opposite of A.J.s highly unlikely Beta Revolt of 2010. Rolling back female suffrage is highly unlikely, but what about gradual court reversals of divorce precedents that are highly unjust? Means-testing for alimony and child support? MPT? These might help at the margins, and, as noted here earlier, even a little bit of constraint on female behavior might have a disproportionate effect.
One advantage the U.S. has compared to its similarly decadent European counterpart is a blue-collar heartland that, though beaten down by economic change, still cherishes some of the old values: male prerogative, military values, old-fashioned patriotism, skilled manual labor, etc. Immigration, despite its mixed effect on the economic base, also brings in a large number of people from more traditional societies, with higher birthrates, that Americanize almost compeltely in the next generation (usually to the consternation of the parents from the old country). This is in contrast to European immigration, in which the mostly Muslim immigrant groups stew in hostile, unassimilated, subsidized separate communities.
Am I saying there’s hope for us yet? No, I basically agree with Roissy’s analysis, mainly because there’s no way our society can ever put the genie of female empowerment, with all its unintgended malign consequences, back in the bottle. The sooner the crisis hits, the sooner the reserve of more traditional values may be able to help get us out of it. But there is more reslience and flexibility in this society than there may seem.
Alpha females were clear net losers in the sexual revolution. I explain why here. Beta females win or lose based on how suited they are for short term relationships. Betas just flat out lost a lot. Only Alpha males unequivocally benefitted, though there are dangers too for the Alpha male who doesn’t know when to get out.
You may want to add two “sirens” to your list: sperm banks (very bad news for betas) and egg or ovary banks (fertility preservation for cougars).
How will they influence the future?
I think American society is going to eventually ending up following the path of South Korea on this. South Korea has has all of those features, with the additional factor added in that most Korean men(Koreans in Korea, not Korean-Americans) do not have any game in the Western sense. It’s really hard for a Korean man to meet a woman with these dystopian conditions, and so right now an incredible 14% of marriages in Korea involve an international partner(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/22/world/asia/22brides.html?_r=1&em&ex=1172379600&en=cc9bd4e8fc6996c1&ei=5087%0A) Most of these involve mail order brides from SE Asia.
As the dating market worsens here, a lot more Beta men are going to realize that going from being low status to being a rock star is a matter of stepping on a plane. I know a number of guys who have married internationally- and if the alternative is waiting to marry some overweight 35 year old who has ridden 30 different alphas(and still plans on keeping up her alpha habit after tying the knot), more men will take their chances overseas in East Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa.
Of course, the USA is not Korea, and feminism is a lot more entrenched here. You’re going to see a lot of opposition to this trend, a lot of feminist shaming tactics. We’ll probably see attempts to make it difficult to marry foreigners from a coalition of feminist women/oppportunistic alphas/wimpy SWPL betas who take whatever position is politically correct so their non-date girlfriends will praise them.
Lady Raine–
You are being deliberately obtuse.
What the great majority of men on this blog have a problem with in respect to you does not begin with your making your own good and sufficient money. If that bothers some it’s principally in tracing back a social cause for your single motherhood and promiscuous behavior after becoming a mother, rather than something that’s in and of itself troubling to most here, including Roissy.
No, the problem first and foremost is that you’ve used your economic independence to in fact forever remain a single mother not living with a life or long term partner who would be a good role model and father figure to your young son.
You’ve in fact chosen the right and ability to have sort term sexual promiscuity as far as the eye can see over finding and living with an effective good father for your son.
The fact that you’ve arrived at this route without huge divorce or child support theft after leaving a relatively strong earning beta, a common divorce strategy of today’s feminist entitled women, is something on your side in some ways, that’s true. However in your case I think you’d even leave an alpha. Well in some ways you did, albeit a serially and perhaps heavily abusive one, according to you, without much in the way of anecdotes or details of any kind aside from “drinking” (which others have called alcoholism, taking the feminist programed leap).
Children do much better with fathers, research strongly shows. Bio dads are better, which is why that choice is so important. But fathers in general on average are very good for children, especially as they get older, into their tween and teen years.
Of course you’re a feminist, as the above indicates. You’re simply not a luney rape and continuing “female oppression” obsessed rad feminist.
I’m sorry, but do you actually believe you will somehow “turn” the world into the dick-dippin’, no child support-paying, women in the homes world you seem to want?
That’s like attempting to put Black people back into slavery.
Whether you like it or not, there will always be “unfairness” in society and the system. If you honestly believe you are oppressed in a special way that the rest of the world is not, you are very sheltered. Society isn’t fair to ANYONE. Get over it and stop crying.
There will never be some revolution where women will happily quit their jobs and stay home? No, because you don’t want to “support” women either….. so basically you want women to work AND be Betty Crocker while you…. do nothing? Sit around in a wife-beater and get drunk?
The fact that there’s people who actually think this will happen astonishes me. You might as well wish for unlimited ice cream, ponies, and fluffy clouds while you’re at it.
Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Yet another thing we can blame John Stuart Mill for. I don’t think you could practically get a repeal of women’s sufferage. Anyway, most of the damage is really done by single women. Married women tend to vote almost exactly like their husbands. So the best thing would be to restrict the vote to married people with children. Single men aren’t so bad, but they tend to be a bit overly libertarian, so we’d gain by taking away their vote too.
The best thing conservatives could do is restrict the franchise. In addition to single women, the left half of the bell curve really has no business voting. See Caplan’s excellent recent book The Myth of the Rational Voter.
Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Yet another thing we can blame John Stuart Mill for. I don’t think you could practically get a repeal of women’s sufferage. Anyway, most of the damage is really done by single women. Married women tend to vote almost exactly like their husbands. So the best thing would be to restrict the vote to married people with children. Single men aren’t so bad, but they tend to be a bit overly libertarian, so we’d gain by taking away their vote too.
The best thing conservatives could do is restrict the franchise. In addition to single women, the left half of the bell curve really has no business voting. See Caplan’s excellent recent book The Myth of the Rational Voter.
maurice–
The fundamental problem is a shift in religion now. The shift towards widespread fundamental leftism, now mainstream and encapsulated in the now mainstream doctrine of Political Correctness, which is taboo to much challenge except jokingly around the edges or in often anonymous corners on the internet.
lmfao – i love this blog
most of the scenario is plausible and I agree.
puerile liberalism fosters personal pleasure over gritty, personal responsibility: it’s more fun to collect disability, eat Big Macs, fuck all day and play Wii than it is to carve out a frontier and create a functional government.
The prediction of our munificent host will happen – just after many destructive periods of total upheaval and subsequent labored incarnations to dial it in. Germany 1917-1965. France 1800 – until?
It will be a synthesis of many revolutionary failures. We won’t live to see any fruitful results.
Unencumbered by post-Christian ethics, the Chinese government recently passed a pre-1945-style eugenics law calling for the sterilization of “morons
Oh dear, this is scary
Who decides who is/not a moron? What about the intelligent but socially inept people? do we sterilize them too? What about the intelligent but not unattractive people? Do you sterilize them? What about the women who are drop dead gorgeous but dumb as a bag of broken crayons, do we sterilize them? Probably not for that last question since too many men will be weak in the knees for a chance to taste what they have.
Cochran seems to amiable enough in person. See his bloggingheads appearance here.
@ maurice
did not have time to read all of that, but see:
A Farewell to Alms, By Gregory Clark for a theory about how the industrial revolution might have been because of evolution (cultural and/or genetic)
@Thursday – there’s a redistributive element to that as well in today’s massive welfare state. the left half of the bell curve pays negative net taxes- that is, receives more in benefits from the system than it ever pays into it. So they will always vote to keep the benefits flowing at the expense of the higher earners, and capital class, that pays more than 50%of the taxes. All this courtesy of the post-30s Democratic party. there’s a reason the founders restricted the franchise to property holders.
I am reminded of the saying used to describe de Tocqueville’s work, “it took a Frenchman to describe America”; so in the future it should be said that it took a PUA to inform the masses of the dangers of sexual immorality and stupid theories of enfranchisement.
“a bit overly libertarian”
there is no such thing =P
A quick question about the supposed rise of illegitimacy.Is the increasing percentage of single mothers the result of looser morals,or simply the decline of overall fertility as a result of the abandonment of Beta-boys and traditional coupling?In other words,are there really more unwed moms in absolute terms nowadays,or are they only relatively in greater abundance?
Things will be fine. Progress comes from people two standard deviations beyond the mean in drive, intelligence, and work ethic. The idea of the mean drifting downward has little effect on the “right tail.” Think of it as an increased labor supply – it’s a structural shift in the economy, but not necessarily a terrible one.
there is no such thing =P
As one myself, I’ll say that a libertarian’s weakness is being impractical. I might believe that we should have a 10% flat tax or do away with entitlement programs tomorrow, but then no one is really going to listen to me, are they?
Libertarian is more of a political philosophy than a real strategy or platform.
Doug–
I still don’t see your point. Okay you’re correct on most things there, and yes I would also turn down an “alpha” as well.
There is nothing wrong with my choice to raise my son alone and the fact that you refer to me as “promiscuous” is an assumption that is wrong. Just because I prefer casual relationships does not mean I have them all the time. Most often I opt to not date at all.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, no matter what man I chose to be a “father” in his life, I would still be taking a risk as to what kind of father he’d be. I have the right to have a child (on purpose) without being married and since I have the means to do it, there is no reason why it should be “frowned upon”. Sure, in a perfect world every kid would have a wonderful mom and dad, but that’s not the way it is. He is lucky to have a mom who loves him enough to make sure he doesn’t grow up seeing “a man” as a guy who gets drunk all the time, gets in regular car crashes (DUI’s) and verbally/physically abuses his mother.
In my case I chose the lesser of two evils. We don’t have to go through all that again, but your opinion that ALL children are better off with two bad parents than one good one may be YOUR opinion, but it doesn’t make it correct.
I could understand if I was raising my son in an “anti-man” household or something like that, but I raise my son to be both “manly” and honorable. I would never allow him to think using women is “honorable” but I would also never allow him to think he’s meant to be some woman’s workhorse.
I’m sorry you find it offensive that I don’t “need” an emotional/romantic relationship to be happy, but that is just who I am and I make no apologies for it. Why should I? I take responsibility for my life and my child’s so it’s really no one else’s business.
PUAs alone won’t do it. Throw in betas-providers marrying foreign women instead of American women and maybe you’ll have something.
@doug – PC leftism as a religion? no, it’s an offshoot of reational, enlightmentment, anti-relilgious thinking. (See Thurssday’s reference to Mill above.) I don’t think it matches the passion and intensity of a true religion (see: bin Laden, Zawahiri, etc.) and could never be a true religious movement of the kind that needs to sweep our decadent West away. It’s the highest expression of the decadence itself.
@chic- who decides who’s a moron? The State Board of Moron Sterilization, that’s who. Or whatever you want to call it. Where you draw the line, in that particular logic, is less inportant than the fact that it is done at all. The closest thing to this in the West we will ever have is the death penalty: society pulling the weeds of the violently criminal. But otherwise, the protection of individual rights inherent in our DNA makes something like that legally and culturally impossible.
Incidentally, there was a brief vogue of eugenics in the U.S. in the 1920s – both in the culture and the government. This was probably in response to cultural fears after the end of the largest wave of uncontrolled immigration in the country’s history. Remember Oliver Wendell Holmes’s famous opinion on the Supreme Court case involving a state law for involuntary sterilzation of the retarded: “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” Would we could go back to those days.
One advantage the U.S. has compared to its similarly decadent European counterpart is a blue-collar heartland that, though beaten down by economic change, still cherishes some of the old values: male prerogative, military values, old-fashioned patriotism, skilled manual labor, etc.
The rot goes deep. Rural inhabitants don’t behave much different than their urban cousins, and the bottom is falling out from underneath Christianity in the U.S. Pretty soon the U.S. bible belt won’t be any larger than the Dutch.
Immigration, despite its mixed effect on the economic base, also brings in a large number of people from more traditional societies, with higher birthrates, that Americanize almost compeltely in the next generation (usually to the consternation of the parents from the old country).
The people who theoretically disapprove of premarital sex tend to have the most of it. In practice, Mexican and S. American immigrants tend to assimilate more towards black ghetto norms than traditional bourgeois values.
The people who theoretically disapprove of premarital sex tend to have the most of it.
Mexicans specifically or are you claiming hyprocrisy as the rule? Somehow I doubt the average teenage Indian-American girl (dot, not feather) is having less sex than the daughter of an ‘empowered’ former-slut-turned-high-powered-lawyer cheating on her husband with the pool boy.
In practice, Mexican and S. American immigrants tend to assimilate more towards black ghetto norms than traditional bourgeois values.
I’m guessing this is just a complete guess based on nothing but personal bias, right?
I personally think single motherhood is the bigger issue. The pill, women’s suffrage, women earning more than men etc… aren’t a problem. The pill is a good thing, without it many women would have ten or more children. How many men can afford to feed such a large family today? The rhythm method(catholic BC) does not work for all women. If I work the same amount of hrs as my male coworkers & contribute equally, why shouldn’t I get paid the same amount.
The bigger question men should be asking themselves is why women don’t want to get married? Why is that most women would prefer to live alone with a dog or cat versus living with a man. Some women don’t even* want the company of an alpha male for long periods of time. Why is that so? We see the same pattern from country to country anywhere women are given equal access to education, jobs, and birth control. So this moves beyond race &culture, maybe it speaks to something about the base nature of women?
If you think most women would willingly give up birthcontrol, education, and equal access to jobs, you are fooling yourself. Having an education and equal access to jobs ensures a woman the ability to take care herself is she doesn’t want to get married, one of the below level “4” women who can’t find a husband, finds herself a widow or just prefers to be by herself.
Most men are beta and will continue to be beta. The advanced level of civilization that we have here in the Untied States can’t run properly without betas or those who are willing to do the grunt work will others take the lead. To many men are jealous of the attention that the top dog gets. It’s like my great-grandmother says, everybody want to be the chief but nobody wants to be the Indian(Native American).
P.S. believe it or not, there are plenty of American women who don’t go galloping around in bars looking for alpha peen. Even those who do have a choice of deciding who they don’t or do want to be with. You can’t force anyone to like you. I love Reggie Williams but he probably wouldn’t spit on me if I was on fire. Guess what, I’m not bitter about it either.
* waits for the vultures to descend*
Very interesting thoughts, Roissy.
I honestly don’t know what the “end game” is here, though I’m fairly certain that, as you mention, there isn’t likely to be any great gettin’ up morning among the Betas any time soon, if ever. Simply put, life’s too good for them, even now, and only in the event of extreme deprivation-which admittedly, the threshold for White Males of a certain class is markedly different than for Black ones of another I suspect-will any serious talk, let alone action, on the part of Betas occur.
Nor do I see *any* move or thought, on the part of the Feminist Lobby or their chief supporters, Women, *ever* voluntarily giving up their “gains”. And of course, those Alphas at the top of Poon Pyramid have a vested interest in seeing to it that such a thing doesn’t happen either.
So, yea, I’d have to agree with you, in the main-”feeding the beast” may just be the way out. But, I think its important to keep in mind, that for many guys, goin’ off the grid will be just as an attractive option, and in many ways, just as deadly, if not moreso. In a lot of ways, its like high blood pressure, a kind of silent kill.
O
Oh tempora Oh mores!
Things are changing. All the time. Embrace change.
Be sure that reaction is coming. Then liberalism again.
“PUAs alone won’t do it. Throw in betas-providers marrying foreign women instead of American women and maybe you’ll have something.”
I think male flight to foreign women or even to foreign countries in search of foreign women will begin in earnest very soon.
Jay Gatsby
PUAs alone won’t do it. Throw in betas-providers marrying foreign women instead of American women and maybe you’ll have something
I really don’t have a problem with American men marrying foreign brides. However, if you think men from Russia, one of the former Russian republics, or China are going to let you swoop in to take their best looking women, well sir you have another think coming.Check out how even PA gets a little testy when you guys start posting about taking Polish women.
*regreats the 4pm post*
I should of let dizzy post that. Ignore it guys and carry on.
Seeking Alpha:
As one myself, I’ll say that a libertarian’s weakness is being impractical. I might believe that we should have a 10% flat tax or do away with entitlement programs tomorrow, but then no one is really going to listen to me, are they?
SA, buddy, the only thing you need to concern yourself with is this.
Mexicans specifically or are you claiming hyprocrisy as the rule?
I was talking about lower class, low IQ people who tend to strongly disapprove of premarital sex, but have a lot of it. I wasn’t talking about conservative Middle Class Evangelicals, Mormons and Catholics, who tend to do a better job of keeping it in their pants.
I’m guessing this is just a complete guess based on nothing but personal bias, right?
See here.
@Thursday, SA – you were getting at uneducated immigration, but what about the engineers, programmers, doctors, professors, etc. from the highest reaches of societies such as China, India, S. America, Middle East? They are fewer in number, perhaps, than the other kind, but are changing the character of the elite somewhat. Hispanic/Mexcian low-end immigration in particular is more complex that you portrayed it – there is a ladder up to the lower middle clas that still exists and is used in many communities.
Also, I don’t see the “bottom falling out” of American Christianity at all. The megachurches of the heartland are as vibrant and full as ever. There may be hypocrisy out there, but there always was. They view themselves of the custodians of a certain history and tradition in this country that has been lost by the elites, and they’re probably right. My argument above was that they may still be around to pick up the pieces after the false SWPL utopia has collapsed.
Foreign Brides will save you?! Yes, we all know how the foreign brides come to marry American men FOR LOVE. (sarcasm intended)
Lady Paine-in-the-Vagina:
“How did I end up as an example here? ”
—Because you’r e ano good, illogical, brainless yammering cuntrag.
Smell ya later!
@ Tupac
That we’ll have a dictator? Nah, the next best thing to a libertarian state is a dictatorship. Our national monuments would be a hell of a lot cooler.
Besides, any American dictator would be too smart to focus the rage of the masses on the Jews. Germany could have had the A-bomb first. Much better to focus the mob rage on the Hispanic immigrants.
Slow economic and cultural decline like Europe would be much worse.
However, if you think men from Russia, one of the former Russian republics, or China are going to let you swoop in to take their best looking women, well sir you have another think coming.
Russian men are too drunk to care and besides all that alcoholism has created a man shortage.
Women in mainland China hold the whip hand in the marriage market. The sex ratio there is really bad for men. If you want a Chinese wife, you are best to look among the minority populations around SE Asia.
@Ovid- looser morals.
Single motherhood is something that should be looked down upon*. Women really think they can do it all and they can’t. Certainly not with a male child and little money. One woman having three children and no husband is no longer given the firm taken down unless it’s by older women. Some are dumb enough to believe that some “good” man will marry them. With each baby, the chances of finding a good man diminish.
*exception: when a single person adopts a child.
“we all know how the foreign brides come to marry American men FOR LOVE.”
—-Real marriage isn’t based on love, shit-for-brains, that’s some of your feminazi utopia mixed with Mariah Carey bullshit.
Marriage is based on duty; most foreign brides understand this duty and uphold it so long as their man does his. Marriage is a bargain, a contract, for the purposes of having children and supporting society.
Love is nice; it isn’t required.
One thing Roissy didn’t post that I think is important is the states role in child raising/discipline*. How many parents are afraid to discipline their children for fear of having the authorities called? Had the mother slapped her son back in that little clip from the dr. Phil show I posted some time ago, she would have been called a child abuser and maybe had him taken away.
*yes yes I know some children are physically abused by their parents but parents who physically discipline their children are not abusers. Some children seem to only respond to a good spanking
chic, for once, I agree with you. What was considered normal and healthy child rearing for 10,000 years—giving a child a whipping with a belt/reed—has becoem chidl abuse in the last 30 years. with no proof that it is.
The desire to repeal the 19th Amendment seems more spiteful than practically useful — much less, possible. Good luck getting the statistical majority to vote for state legislators to constitutionally disenfranchise them.
Retroactively gaming out the last few elections (ignoring, for brevity’s sake, primaries) sans women, we’d have George Bush, arguably the most disastrous president in nearly a century winning twice in landslides and we’d of course have a geriatric shadow of a man as president in John McCain right now.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your position strikes me as contradictory. You’ve previously decried voting as pointless yet you apparently are wary of women voting. Now, if its that you believe voting is pointless because women have the vote, that makes a certain superficial sense, but the results of their voting (in the main) don’t really support what you’re saying.
The more identifiable problem is beta males, as they are by and large the protectionist “heroes” that have raised age of sexual consent to the absurd age of 18 in several states, are invariably the most ardent of male anti-abortion zealots (see: likely-omega vigilante assassin of Dr. Tiller), partake in religion at a high rate, and — as you’re continually pointing out — romanticize the role of women in society and give them undue influence out of their pathetic inability to get laid or to honestly pursue their instincts.
I think women, on average, have a physiological disadvantage (for natural reasons) in visual-spacial projection and perspective orientation, but not to the degree that would warrant them being excluded from constitutional rights such as voting.
In full disclosure, I’m banging a lot of women I have no long-term interest in and the current social-sexual regime suits my interests in this regard quite well. I don’t think I’m saving Western Civilization though I’ll keep that thought in mind next time I’m boning some daffy feminist in a degrading way.
Ob:
But, I think its important to keep in mind, that for many guys, goin’ off the grid will be just as an attractive option, and in many ways, just as deadly, if not moreso.
Alexanderism.
Lady Raine–
How old are you?
How many kids do you have?
The answers to those questions will no doubt prove roissy right, even though he’s “not your type.”
@chic – have you been paying attention to all the posts and comments here? women choose not to get married in the same numbers as before because their equal/higher social status makes it almost impossible for them to “marry up” to a man of higher status or power. that unhappiness – the difference between what they have and are taught they should want and what their emotions/hindbrains crave – is the cause and scourge of beta msery, and the Alpha’s field of dreams.
Chic:
Check out how even PA gets a little testy when you guys start posting about taking Polish women.
I was a relative’s wedding recently, and my doctor/cousin introduced me to his new Polish girlfriend. Drop dead gorgeous. And sweet.
Of course, she was probably after his money, but still…
I just might have to start hunting me some Polocks.
I just wish I had the Polish sausage to do it sucessfully.
beta males created the problem by being eternal white knights to women, putting them on pedestals, being easy to manipulate, kowtowing to feminism. if they start flocking to foreign women, this won’t improve america, it will just ruin foreign women because they will spoil and pamper them. there are many places in the world where women turned into entitled, narcissistic shrews from getting their heads pumped up by western betas.
The solution: only NET taxpayers get to vote. ANY net taxpayer–men, women , children, black, white. no other restriction. the only way anyone who gets their paycheck from the government, even if they ARE the government, gets a vote is if they have an independent source of income which gives them enough taxes to pay that it offsets their taxpayer-funded salaries. this might discourage lifelong politicians.
otherwise, gov paycheck=no vote. get all the welfare you want, but no vote (not that welfare would long survive the massive downsizing of government this change would cause).
if a non-working woman is half of a joint filing couple that’s a net taxpayer–they get to vote. a single mom who sends her kids to public school, works as a social worker for some local government women’s make-work scheme “department” and gets her kids healthcare funded by SCHIP would NOT be able to vote. this alone would restrict the bad policies.
the only problem i foresee is the military, but i guess giving up the franchise would just be a trade-off for being paid and taken care of until death.
@ Thursday
I gave Sailor’s rebuttal a read. I certainly agree with him that Sampson’s argument was pretty weak.
I’m not sure that proves a cultural similarity between Hispanics and Blacks, aside from a tendency towards violence.
The relevant question is whether Hispanic families have out-of-wedlock births and cultural values closer to blacks or (conservative) whites. The answer, like most things, is likely in between.
Patrick, calling GWB a disaster fo a president means you’re an idiot buying the media hype.
Lady Rain:
Foreign Brides will save you?! Yes, we all know how the foreign brides come to marry American men FOR LOVE. (sarcasm intended)
Yeah, I can tell someone like you is such a HUGE believe in LOVE.
That was Nicole’s/Kthula’s schtick. She (aptly) pointed out that many women are mercenary whores after money.
The problem is that is an esssential feature of femininity. Throw that out and your left with nothing but thuggery as an attractant for women.
It’s all a matter of managing your whore.
Doug, back me up on this.
@dana – dig your posts. keep ‘em coming.
Lurker–
“we all know how the foreign brides come to marry American men FOR LOVE.”
“—-Real marriage isn’t based on love, shit-for-brains, that’s some of your feminazi utopia mixed with Mariah Carey bullshit.
Marriage is based on duty; most foreign brides understand this duty and uphold it so long as their man does his. Marriage is a bargain, a contract, for the purposes of having children and supporting society.
Love is nice; it isn’t required.”
Okay first of all, I would rather die than listen to Mariah Carey. Second you are seriously retarded. My point was that foreign brides marry American men for money. So I assume you agree with this as long as the bride does her “duty” to you? That’s what is funny here….. the double standard: “waaah I don’t want to pay for women!” and “waaaah! I don’t want women to pay for themselves, either”. So which is it? You want to financially support a woman as long as she does whatever you consider “wifely”?
Also you basically broke marriage down to this: (love is optional) to make babies, and to carry on society. You just proved why women don’t feel the need to marry.
All of the things you listed as part of your version of marriage are things that women can do without marriage, so what would draw a logical woman into a marriage then, if marriage is (what you state) just a contract? The only thing left is money. Well I hate to break it to you, but women have their own money so the “draw” of security really isn’t there anymore either. (unless of course a woman is too lazy to want to find her own financial security).
Chic:
*yes yes I know some children are physically abused by their parents but parents who physically discipline their children are not abusers. Some children seem to only respond to a good spanking
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat
Hispanics in several generations will assimilate into American culture, much like past “non-assimilating, violent” cultures will do. Italians and Irish were once considered uncivilized people too. Ditto foreign-born black cultures (hatian). the current hispanic panic is merely the product of illegal immigration (which must be stopped for economic reasons) and heavy mexican drug trafficking currently.
American-born Blacks, however, have continually shown their resistance to the American way, and demand being taken care of while contributing little.
(ignoring, for brevity’s sake, primaries)
Assume we have a can opener.
I think women, on average, have a physiological disadvantage (for natural reasons) in visual-spacial projection and perspective orientation, but not to the degree that would warrant them being excluded from constitutional rights such as voting.
The problem isn’t that women can’t think, it’s that they really don’t like to.
there are many places in the world where women turned into entitled, narcissistic shrews from getting their heads pumped up by western betas.
Phillipinas.
“sestamibi
Lady Raine–
How old are you?
How many kids do you have?
The answers to those questions will no doubt prove roissy right, even though he’s “not your type.””
–Actually we have already covered this long ago and if I answer you, I assure you it will make your point invalid and make you look as stupid as you seem–
Tupac–
Actually I believe very much in love and that is why I refuse to marry for any reason other than being totally in love with the person. All the other things like security and finances I already do for myself. I’m not against marriage in general, I just wouldn’t do it unless I truly felt like I couldn’t live without the person’s companionship (so far I have never met a man that I am “in love with” enough to do that). Pardon me for not settling.
Lady Paine-in-theVagina:
” So I assume you agree with this as long as the bride does her “duty” to you?”
—yep. So long as she cooks, cleans, makes a home warm, raises the kids, gives it up, keeps herself up, and stays loyal, I will work my fingers to the bone, give her free reign over my finances, keep myself in shape, take her out, and remain loyal.
You know, how marriage existed for thousands of years.
“waaah I don’t want to pay for women!”
–correction: I don’t want to pay for cheating, harpy whores like you.
“You just proved why women don’t feel the need to marry.”
–you’re starting to catch on their, bitch.
“waaah I don’t want to pay for women!”
Who said that?
roissy,
as I said in a previous comment, “this is the dawning of the age of aquarius”.
“In sum, we will have more people with lower future time orientation (i.e., the temperament to save for a rainy day and delay gratification for greater future gain),”
my rebuttal to this is that incentive to invest i.e. interest rates will increase to induce people to invest for the long-haul. If people magically “evolve” a lower future time orientation, modern-day economies have evolved means to deal with this. I’ll have to think of situations in which this applies to physical investment and gratification.
“Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.”
We have to take this maxim a step further. Universal male suffrage led to women’s suffrage. The un-landed, un-gentry would predictably be more wooed by the female’s siren call for equal rights at the voting booth; this is something that the aristocratic ruling class of decades past were wholly against since it decreased their power share. Female suffrage would have gained no foot-hold without the aid of males that had the avenues of power to get the votes through. This is yet another example of beta men usurping their brethern for a little taste of the pie.
The short-comings of democracy lend further credence to the natural hierarchy that human beings have yet to dismantle. Perhaps society operates best when a few at the top make all the decisions, fulfilling the platonic ideal.
I don’t see more PUA changing society any time soon. Something larger and more destructive, say mass warfare, famine, or plague will have a much more immediate and long-lasting effect. Those forces will re-shape the incentives and inducements that have created this culture’s modern dating landscape.
partake in religion at a high rate
Those conservative religious “losers” tend to have significantly more children than others, and the conservative women who they have them with are just as attractive as any out there. These guys apparently do OK in the sexual marketplace.
I just finished reading the 10,000 Year Explosion (of Human Evolution) as well. A great read!
http://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465002218
In connecting the dots to our near-future, there may be other alternatives. If the Singularity arrives, human sentience may transcend biology completely. Also artificial wombs, father-only families, etc may yet get Western Men re-invested in the good of society again. Right now we are all checking-out because we have been told that any children we make aren’t really ours, and furthermore can be used as pawns against us to reduce us to eternal serfdom (especially when combined with a marriage/divorce/alimony one-two punch). So Science may yet save the day.
Lady Rain–
Would you support an end to all affirmative action for women, without allowing the return of deliberate job or academic discrimination against them?
“You’ve in fact chosen the right and ability to have sort term sexual promiscuity as far as the eye can see over finding and living with an effective good father for your son.”
doug1, what about all the men who father children with no desire or means to raise them?
On Lady Paine:
I haven’t seen a woman smacked around like this since Rhianna! (/rimshot)
But seriously folks….
Lurker,
“–correction: I don’t want to pay for cheating, harpy whores like you.”
First of all, cheater? I don’t know where you got that, but there’s really no way to prove or disprove that about me, but I don’t cheat because I don’t have the patience to “pretend” to still love a man while cheating on him. If I’ve lost interest enough to actually cheat, I would just break it off with the man before it got to that point. (however no, I have never cheated on anyone….I have self control)
Second, I have never lived off of any man’s money or the government’s so I don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Also….I have no idea how I became a “whore” to you considering my lifestyle revolves around work and my son. I have dated here and there throughout my son’s life thus far, but I typically avoid that like the plague. Also I am not sexually active in any way by choice so way to be off the mark.
Hispanics in several generations will assimilate into American culture, much like past “non-assimilating, violent” cultures will do.
Ethnic Mexicans have been in the U.S. as long as any of those groups you mentioned and they never showed any sign of assimilating, even before multiculturalism and lax immigration enforcement.
Chuck,
Interesting thoughts: but, if I may, what would be your rebuttal to the fact that, many of the “great unwashed” paid for their liberty, freedom, etc w/their bodies, ie, war? Surely, this would give them some degree of political leverage, yes? We cannot say the same for Women (whether that’s a good thing or not is up for debate insofar as I’m concerned), to date, they are exempt from the Draft.
Comments?
O
“are invariably the most ardent of male anti-abortion zealots (see: likely-omega vigilante assassin of Dr. Tiller”
http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/06/george-tillers-assassination-in-wichita.html
tiller’s assassin, scott roeder, is a pawn. he was a disgruntled lower beta male who had nothing else going for him. within the past decade he had rocky relationships with his children. there are even court documents discussing his child custody cases. a case of another man who felt screwed by the system. its these beta men, men like mcveigh and the 9/11 hi-jackers that society will have to be wary of.
Lady Raine-
“There is nothing wrong with my choice to raise my son alone”
Except that your son has a pretty good chance of becoming a complete fuck-up. Except for that one tiny little thing.
Hell, at least a welfare baby has a full-time mom. Your son is basically in the worst situation imaginable. Amplified by the fact that his mom is such a self-righteous bitch that she’s convinced herself she can do no wrong.
ME!
me me me me me me me me me me me
knock, knock
who’s there?
ME!!
What is boils down to is many men are being passed by on the socio-economic ladder by women. As said in the post, you only have to look at the current gap of college enrollment and degrees awarded between sexes to see what’s coming.
I can see two reactions to this situation. One, women’s power over society will continue to increase. Instead of dating down, women that can’t secure an “equal” partner will turn to sperm banks, adoption, etc. Alpha males continue to reap benefits unless they are unlucky and become trapped by an unscrupulous woman. This has been talked about ad nauseam on this blog.
At the same time expect a rise in crime, particularly against women. The men society is trampling upon still have the same needs (and oversexed media has done nothing to discourage it). To get their needs met, undersexed and unemployed/lowly employed men will do what they’ve always done in the past: form gangs. From that point, just follow the logic as an increased police presence needed will lead to higher taxes, leading to further lack of respect for the law, which decays society.
Even if it doesn’t happen exactly like that, we’re one solid economic depression away from real social changes. America’s economy used to be insulated from global forces thanks to its ingenuinity and a combination of diplomacy/force/coercion abroad. The wealth accumulated over generations is depleting at a decent rate, scattered according to the whims of globalization.
Lurker– where do you see this happening? So far you have not correctly accused me of even ONE thing that I am guilty of doing, so if by “smacked around” you mean “I threw random woman-hate insults at her and I bet someone on earth secretly thinks it’s funny” then yes you are the most clever of them all.
Lady Cumstaine:
“I don’t know where you got that, but there’s really no way to prove or disprove that about me”
—-Right. A feminazi “independent” harpy is never a cheater. Nope. You’re as solid as a rock.
” I have never lived off the government’s”
—except that you make up arbitrary standards of conduct through the government through PC-ness, sex harassment, divorce, and affirmative action to disparage the men who do your work better than you do.
But you don’t suck the government’s teat, oh noes….
“I have never cheated on anyone….”
—-”well, unless you count Ted, but that was just a one night thing. And making out with a bartender? Who doesn’t do that? it was Mardi Gras! And please, Marcus and I were practically broken up when I let his frat brothers gang bang me.”
Women: liars till the end.
“I typically avoid that like the plague. ”
–Translation: men seem to hate my shrewish, harridan rants and bitching all the time. I wonder why.
“Also I am not sexually active in any way”
—-lol. I wonder why.
Mike–
Wow what stat did you pull that from? Also I have never been on welfare and neither has my son. I chose not to accept child support and his “father” chooses not to be involved or want any visitation rights. He opted out and that’s fine with me.
I work full-time and am also a full-time mom. Is it ideal? no. Easy? no. However I had a child, therefore I am responsible for him. Could he end up a fuck up? Yeah of course, but since I’m well educated and was raised well, there’s no reason why he would be unless I decided to let society “raise him” so to speak.
“yes you are the most clever of them all”
–thanks for agreeing, cuntrag.
I think betas will have their day if (when) the US financial collapse turns into a full-on societal collapse, and women once again find themselves in need of the financial and physical security that men have historically provided.
Hopefully, instead of just taking them back with open arms, the betas will press their advantage and we will see a return to the patriarchy.
Thursday: Why don’t you update your blog more? It’s great stuff.
Thursday:
It’s true that in China there are many more men than women, but with foreigners there is a sub-market there of foreigners and women interested in dating foreigners. There are alot more women who want to date a foreigner than there is actual foreigners who live there, so you instead have a dating market that is biased in favor of foreign men.
Lady Rain:
You’re thinking only about mail order brides. I’d agree that those cases would be about money. But even in wealthier countries such as Korea and Japan, women will still go for foreign men, even foreign who are not rich or high status such as English teachers.
—Oh dear, this is scary
Who decides who is/not a moron? What about the intelligent but socially inept people? do we sterilize them too? What about the intelligent but not unattractive people? Do you sterilize them? What about the women who are drop dead gorgeous but dumb as a bag of broken crayons, do we sterilize them? Probably not for that last question since too many men will be weak in the knees for a chance to taste what they have.—
Scawy dis talk about sterilizes and things!
And the problem is right here with your pathetic, wailing comment. All worked up with your knickers in a twist about eugenics. What about the poor so and so and who decides… whine, bitch moan, etc… Dishes are done and so are you. You are a great reason why females and others with your soft brains and compassion complexes shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Be happy you’re alive and STFU.
“Foreign Brides will save you?! Yes, we all know how the foreign brides come to marry American men FOR LOVE. (sarcasm intended)”
And the ignorant remain ignorant, I see.
The divorce rate among American men with foreign wives is less than half that when paired with an American woman. So much for the worth of an American woman’s love.
“dick-dippin’, no child support-paying, women in the homes”
This is apparently akin to living in actual chains and with some one holding the actual power of life and death over you. How fucking stupid are you?
ASDF, very true. Women right now in America don’t need beta males, because there are enough white collar jobs to go around for them. But economic collapse means blue collar will become de facto, and women aren’t good at it. Suddenly lesbians will disappear and those career-minded harpies will rediscover their love of housework for family farmers, auto repair men, and the like.
Lurker–
Had you read anything I have ever posted you’d already have actual answers to all of those things.
Again there is no way to prove whether or not I am a “cheating woman” so that is a pointless flame-war.
You also failed to prove how I live off the government since I was never married and never took him to court for anything at all (or vice versa)
Also, even if I WAS the horrible feminist you imply that I am, I’d STILL get plenty of dating offers (because as you have all previously stated, a woman’s looks are number one)
As for my not being sexually active that has already been discussed as well. Every couple of years I intentionally have a “one year sexual siesta” to make sure I’m not allowing sex to govern my decisions. (as we are all guilty of doing at some point in our lives).
Does anybody else think Lady Raine is really a troll account, kind of like David Alexander?
The way she’s making her kind look bad looks almost pre-calculated.
Lady Raine-
This is the standard feminist/media trope regarding foreign wives. There’s some truth to it in the case of mail order brides, often enough, it seems (and stands to reason). Even there though that can be simplistic and not always entirely the case.
Neither Roissy nor to my knowledge any member of this board has advocated is a male order method of finding a foreign bride. Rather they’ve discussed going to the country in question on a vacation (or a sebatical etc.) or several and finding on that way.
There are basically three advantages to foreign brides. 1) if from one of the countries usually recommended they tend to be much better looking including notably better looking that the above average looking American women. I.e. a relative 7 or 8 there will be like an 8 or 9 here, more or less. 2) They were raised in a much more patriarchal and less feminist society, and hence will tend to both expect and want to take a more feminine and less challenging role in a relationship, and also value strong and reliable male providership much more than American women do, who tend to take it for granted as their due if their husband is a strong earner, especially if they are too, but even if not, as a result of decades of American world “leading” strident and misandrous feminism. 3) they will tend to value American men relatively highly, not only because of the higher income and lifestyle they can provide compared to men back home, but also because American men are more appreciative, less abusive, and are willing to treat their wives more equally. So in other words in effect they often want to live in a light or beginning feminist domestic arrangement, rather than the extreme ones young American women feel entitled to.
The main problem with marrying a well chosen foreign bride from the right countries is bringing them back to live in the American environment over time. They will eventually get some non immigrant American female friends most likely, and will learn of American feminist divorces laws and cultural attitudes.
It certainly is a mistake to marry a foreign woman who doesn’t genuinely love as in adore you, just as it is to marry a home grown girl who doesn’t. However culture matters, and they’re from a different one.
Michael–
How can I be the troll when questions are directed at me? Also since I was mentioned by name in his post, it’s hardly “trolling”.
If you consider me what is making “women look bad” you’re a little confused. Yes I see why a woman like myself who works hard and supports herself is so offensive to you. There are plenty of gold-diggers out there if you prefer that type.
“However culture matters, and they’re from a different one.”
The term is better, doug. Better culture.
Not about all things, but insofar as raising children to be reasonably pleasant adults and spouses, much better.
Lady Cumstaine:
“Had you read anything I have ever posted you’d already have actual answers to all of those things”
–translation: my bitchy illogical rants are all I have, please don’t use logic on me!
“You also failed to prove how I live off the government since I was never married and never took him to court for anything at all.”
–how did you get your education? How did you get your job? How can you dress like a whore but if a man makes a pass at you at work he’s fired?
You suck on the government’s teat more than your son’s gonna end up sucking another man’s cock just to banish women from hsi life after being raised by a hulking-she-biatch like you.
“I’d STILL get plenty of dating offers.”
—no, you’d get plenty of offers to fuck, because drunk, desperate beats men will fuck harpies when all else fails—if only for one night. But trust me, even they don’t want to be in your bedroom come the morning.
“As for my not being sexually active that has already been discussed as well.”
—Translation: I can’t get a man to listen to my bitching long enough.
“one year sexual siesta”
—the cobwebs have grown in, whore. You’re rip van fucking winkle at this point.
We do not need eugenics all we need is to end dysgenic policies. The exists an artificially inflated parasite class engendered entirely by government policy. You don’t have to kill or sterilize anyone.
1. end all child support from the never married/allow men to terminate parental rights on spec if never married to the mother. the sound of legs snapping shut all over the US would be deafening.
if you have a kid together determined by paternity testing the state automatically considers you married for 18 years, FAULT only– the sound of men saying no to sex with whores would be deafening.
2. end all nontemporary, no-behavioral-strings-attached government aid. the behavioral expectations tied to aid should be so hi people would dig ditches before applying for it. weekly drug tests, proof of schooling/job interviews etc, any strings the gov wants to attach
3. no fault divorce should mean the abandoning spouse ABANDONS everything–the house, kids, money. you want to be free? you arent happy? byeeee, with the clothes on your back.
these three things would reverse more damage than 1000 Che Betas
“Retroactively gaming out the last few elections (ignoring, for brevity’s sake, primaries) sans women, we’d have George Bush, arguably the most disastrous president in nearly a century winning twice in landslides and we’d of course have a geriatric shadow of a man as president in John McCain right now.”
I don’t think so. When George W. Bush was president, every other word that came out of the hole under his nose was “compassion,” and I’m pretty sure his handlers weren’t telling him that’s what he had to say to get the male vote. Nope, appearing nice and compassionate is designed to appeal politcially to women, to let suburban soccer mommies know that you’re not really a meany, and that it’s OK to vote for you. Same thing with McCain – he set my teeth on edge every time he’d start talking about the frickin’ illegals being “God’s children.”
The 19th amendment isn’t going to be repealed, and there’s not going to be any laws passed restricting the vote to net taxpayers. The best we can hope for is to make voting somewhat difficult, so that the indifferent and stupid will figure it’s more bother than it’s worth.
Thursday:
Those conservative religious “losers” tend to have significantly more children than others, and the conservative women who they have them with are just as attractive as any out there.
Not from where I’m standing.
The greater the sexual market value of a women, the greater the incentive for her to throw of the shackles of restraint in her inborn need to chase alpha cock.
Are you, Thursday, a “conservative religious ‘loser’”?
Doug–
I don’t disagree with anything you said there. I just found it funny that some posters here think “love” is unimportant in marriage. If half the people that got married actually “loved” eachother in a genuine way, they wouldn’t WANT to dick them over and take them for everything they have (whether male or female). So I personally think love is very important in marriage.
Seeking-Alpha:
City-journal.org has a bunch of articles, basically Mexican-Americans follow the pattern: first generation, married. Second Generation, married, third generation, single motherhood over 51%. That’s pretty astonishing. The rate in 1980 was 17%. Huge delta over time.
Chic: Betas only exist when there is rewards for them. Look at Lady Raine. She chose, deliberately, a violent and dangerous man with a taste for booze as the father of her son. Knowing well his character, nature, and attitudes. Beta men over time, probably more rapidly than you think, will simply become men like her son’s father. Because that’s who she (and women like her) had sex with and a kid with.
Women’s incentives: A. Be a sexless, loveless, unhappy drone, with no kids, or B. become a violent, dangerous, loser with sex and love and kids.
Look at the fall of the Black Community. From a place in 1965 which while poor had a middle class infrastructure, lawyers, accountants, dentists, and tradesmen, to what is a violent, dangerous place totally absent anything but drug dealing and shootings in the urban core. That happened during the END of Jim Crow. But the advent of the pill, condom, and improved earnings for women.
—Does anybody else think Lady Raine is really a troll account, kind of like David Alexander?
The way she’s making her kind look bad looks almost pre-calculated.—
There’s so much bullshit around here you need a chainsaw to cut throught it.
Lady Raine –
It’s not you personally, but your choices writ large that make men pissed off.
If most women are like you, most guys (who are not aggressive, dominant, tattooed, younger than you, etc.) miss out. They don’t have an investment in women, family, and thus society.
When most women are like you (and most are trending that way), you get men who spread their seed and then go away. Your own choices writ large reward only a fraction of men who are inherently violent and aggressive. That leaves most men sexless, loveless, and without any children. If they play by the rules. You can hardly blame them for resenting the symbol of that result. You are Exhibit A that the Average Joe cannot marry and have kids with an attractive woman. That only brutal losers need apply.
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My problem with Roissy’s prescription is that I’m pretty unsure that there will be a climb out, and that the most likely reaction for most men is to not become PUA but thug it up, particularly since the Obama Economy will exclude most White Men.
Thugging it up offers an alternative to being a PUA, is “easier” as long as one has a crew, and is just as effective short-term in attracting women, who love aggression and dominance. [Look at the Dutch Journalist sexually assaulted by the Taliban who is not angry with them but complimentary.] This is particularly true since being a PUA requires money. Thugging it up, none.
Of course, economic and security collapse (women getting fired from their Obama economy jobs like marketing, advertising, corporate finance, law, lobbying, etc.) along with massive insecurity (“oh my god, is that guy going to blow up the subway?”) physically has the potential to alter things. Women are not good in street fights, not good in chaos, not good in situations where brawn and dependability matter.
Agreed with Roissy about Conservatives getting their heads out of their asses. And also with PA re how “new” having to be a rake is for men.
I don’t know if I posted this before, but here is another example of a Beta-male being forced by court-order to take care of Alpha-spawn (in addition to taking care of his adulteress ex-wife):
http://www.calgaryherald.com/Life/Courts+father+unfairness/1549075/story.html
Here is a British quasi-government Science publication advocating that Beta’s be denied the legal right to test the paternity of their “children” unless they go through a court first (i.e. criminalizing “secret” paternity testing):
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126924.100-special-investigation-whos-testing-your-dna.html?full=true
I would say the present is starting to look pretty dystopian already.
“Che Beta” — Witty, that’s why I started reading this blog in the first place.
Unfortunately, this is more of the typical Roissy bait and switch.
The Bait-
He ruthlessly and accurately states the problem and dangles the solution:
“The realization of the matricentric utopia that feminism has been clamoring for these last few generations will undo the very foundation upon which the rancid ideology was able to prop itself. — Now I will tell you how to save America from this fate. The answer will surprise some of you”
The Switch-
He offers a solution that will only make things worse:
“More PUAs.”
This will not, as he asserts, speed the decline of the Feminazi Sexual Dystopia, it will only prolong it, as the government bailout of GM, simply pushed back bankruptcy for a little longer.
Not that he really wants to help. He’s part of the problem.
Roissy, like all the other PUA masters benefit from the very society that they decry. This doublespeak hypocrisy is right there in this post just waiting for us to read it:
“The big winners are alpha males and the big losers are beta males.”
If Roissy is really an alpha, why would he really want to change a system that benefits him so richly? He doesn’t. Knowing this, Beta males like me, reading this, must look upon any ’solution’ offered by Roissy very skeptically. And unless he is willing to take one for the team as The Obsidian said he would:
Roissy is going to do whatever he can to advance his own situation, because he too is insulated from the consequences. Not by the government, but by the women who compete for his attention. (They do love their pets!)
Again, I’m not trying to attack Roissy personally, I like his writing and I think learning game can benefit the Beta male, but if they go beyond that, and try to become PUAs…
What do you think will happen first?
Beta men will learn game, get laid, and join Roissy by the pool to watch America circle the drain? Or…
These new legions of PUA’s in training, still competing for the same number of females, will be outflanked by natural alphas like Roissy who are already working on new game moves (that they keep to themselves) while selling us their old material?
More from Roissy:
“Like one of the commenters from yesterday’s post pointed out, the first cute girl to bat her eyelashes at one of these revolutionary Che Betas will have him betraying the brotherhood faster than you can say “just the tip”.”
You’d better hope so boys, because if you’re wrong, (and you are, at least with me) your days are numbered. And when the shit comes down, me and the other Betas will remember who it was busy banging our wives and girlfriends while we slaved away at the office/factory/lab.
Lady cumstaine:
“If half the people that got married actually “loved” eachother in a genuine way, they wouldn’t WANT to dick them over and take them for everything they have (whether male or female). So I personally think love is very important in marriage.”
—So how did “love” (notice how women always leave this amorphous meaningless term undefined) save your precious baby daddy from leaving you?
Lady Rain–
This is a false dichotomy. Most men want a woman who will work when she isn’t raising infants or small children at least and maybe to some degree even if she is, esp. if they can afford child care. However they also want to have the primary breadwinner role and to be respected and valued by their woman IN PART for that reason. Ideally many men would want their wives to be in a light time career path (9 to 5) rather than balls to the wall income maximizing and/or high pressure career advancing mode when infants or small children are not present, and in a more part time job when they’re not.
Note, the woman’s choice can under this model often be significantly more chosen for it’s job satisfaction and / or status attributes rather than income. Examples for e.g. female lawyers would be working for a foundation or even in house in a corporation rather than in a BigLaw or other really hours heavy side of law.
Balance Lady Rain, balance. Rather than extremes of women acting just like men, or women acting like the more extreme examples of female absence from work in history.
On last thing as to the last. Throughout history most women have worked outside of purely domestic tasks. Thev’ve done lighter farm work (gardens, etc.), or cottage industry work, or help in shops or in workshops, etc. Only upper class women, and after the advent of capitalism the bourgeoisie or upper middle class women have for a comparatively brief period of time joined aristo women in typically not working outside the domicile, at least in Western countries.
Chuck:
tiller’s assassin, scott roeder, is a pawn. he was a disgruntled lower beta male who had nothing else going for him.
Do you think Game would have saved him?
“Michael–
How can I be the troll when questions are directed at me? Also since I was mentioned by name in his post, it’s hardly “trolling”.
If you consider me what is making “women look bad” you’re a little confused. Yes I see why a woman like myself who works hard and supports herself is so offensive to you. There are plenty of gold-diggers out there if you prefer that type.”
I don’t have any use for gold-diggers. As for why you’re a troll, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, because you’re really looking bad here. Its almost as though your entire persona were created to repulse people on here, and convince them of the certainty of their views.
Ya, ya, we get it. Western men remain laughably naive if they think asian girls marry for anything other than wealth and status.
And of course Western women aren’t nearly as hypergamous as their asian counterparts, right?
It’s just your female jelousy doing your thinking for you. You are calling your competition names, because that’s what women do when faced with competition. Either call them a slut or a gold digger.
If a man loves a pretty girl, her prettiness is part of what he loves. Without the prettiness, he would never have fallen in love. If a woman loves a man of means and social prestige, his money and status are part of what she loves. Without that she would not have felt love in the first place.
This western female argument that men can’t possibly understand that women love wealth and status makes you all look moronic and petty – like 6 year olds on the school ground calling names.
Whatever it takes to make a man or woman love you is fair play – and asian women fall in love as easily as western women, and for the same reasons.
Note, cumstaine, that was rhetorical.
“love” for marriage, as defined in society today, is a meaningless term generated by pop culture.
think about it, you red-headed slut: where did your idea about love come from? Bad movies, shitty pop songs, and women’s magazines. in other words, the same places Brittney Spears comes from.
think about it, if you can.
@ASDF, lurker – actually, the blue-collar (typically male) jobs are and have been disappearing faster than white collar ones (where females have equality/advantages). so on current trends, even without a collapse, average male status is sinking faster than female status. roissy is right: there’s no way out of the cul-de-sac except for a highly unlikely “mad max” scenario in which women would depend on men for physical security against other men.
Dave,
While your hypothesis is interesting, I honestly don’t see it playing itself out that way at all; what I see is more likely to happen is that the Betas of the world will simply *not care* if a Woman is getting beaten to within an inch of her life, *by her own boyfriend*. For more on this see Darlymple, etc. That’s where we can see an increase of crimes against Women coming from, and flows nicely w/Roissy’s thoughts above-its something Women, enmasse, as a group mind you, brought on themselves.
True, police and the justice system are tasked w/keeping law and order, but in order for it to work effectively, it has to have a citizenry that actually gives a damn-and more and more, Betas simply aren’t, when it comes to Women enmasse. I’ve already relayed my personal, eyewitness account of attending a Greek Picnic event here in Philly roughly a decade ago; girls were gangbanged/raped in plain sight, outside, in the park, by “Alphas”, while hordes of Betas stood by watching, or perhaps worse(?), turned their back and walked to another area of the park. These Women wrongly assumed that because they had the *right* to cavort scantily clad among Men where alcohol and controlled substances flowed freely and a sexual stench was clearly in the air, they could do so w/o any fear of reprisal. They thought wrong.
A similar incident happened at the annual New York City’s Puerto Rican Day parade, if believe it was either 1999 or 2000; there’s Atlanta’s Freaknik events, similar to Philly’s Greek Picnic where, in years past, similar events have occured; and while such incidents don’t make the news coming out of Cancun and Daytona for the obvious reasons (read, the parties involved tend to be middle to upper middle class White young Men and Women), one can be sure that similar events were and are obtaining, even as we speak.
Although Women enmasse fully expect to take advantage of increased sexual freedoms, and then selecting only the hallowed few Alpha Males of whatever environment they find themselves in, they at the same time still *expect* Beta Males, in the main, to “do the right thing”. That works, if indeed, said Betas have a real shot in the system, meaning a real chance to bed these gals. Barring that though, fuget bout it. And when one applies cold reasoning, who could blame em?
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i’m not sure i have a good answer to that. all i can say is that it seems as if human society has been a steady march towards protection of the feminine, and the gentry have done a good job of tying war efforts to protection of women in a way.
men march off to war with pictures of their woman in their pocket. they tell themselves they’re doing it for their country in the name of the woman they love. war, at its most basic, has always been about protection of “what’s ours” for the most part, and nothing has encompassed the phrase “what’s ours” than our women.
beta males have always held value in their worker bee position. they will be best suited when that worker bee function is most fully exploited on a mass scale, and there is no more mass scale than full-on war.
Reason != Conservative. I am shocked, shocked to find out that libertarians are in radical denial about human nature.
Even social conservatives though have their idiocies in this area. For a better example, read F. Roger Devlin’s evisceration of Wendy Shalitt.
maurice, the jobs disappear because our country’s wealth allows us to outsource them.
however, if the economy continues collapsing, we will no longer be able to afford outsourcing them, and instead they will come back in force.
When everyone can be a lawyer rather than a farmer, most choose lawyer and pay someone else to sweat for them. But if you can’t pay someone to make your food for you—or if food is the only fungible good you have—then everyone buys a farm.
Chuck, don’t forget how many war posters and horror tales from across history pictured “the enemy” raping the good, faithful woman “from back home.” this was incentive to fight harder for the men “from Home” fighting “the enemy.”
Lady Raine-
“Wow what stat did you pull that from?”
There are innumerable studies showing that children of single mothers display massively increased rates of antisocial pathology. Throw a dart at Google and you’ll hit 100.
“Also I have never been on welfare and neither has my son.”
“I work full-time and am also a full-time mom.”
It would have been obvious to any modestly intelligent person that I was saying you’re worse than a welfare mom. You cannot work full-time and be a full-time mom. Are there 48 hours in your day?
You’re obviously neck-deep in the feminist “having-it-all” bullshit. The fact that you’re here signals that you may not be a lost cause, but your self-righteous opinions and self-indulgent lifestyle make it seem unlikely.
Not from where I’m standing.
The female average in church has been no different than the university classes I’ve seen. It isn’t up to the level of a good club, of course, but that’s just because average looking and ugly girls tend to avoid the clubs, except when they are tagging along with a group of friends.
The greater the sexual market value of a women, the greater the incentive for her to throw of the shackles of restraint in her inborn need to chase alpha cock.
You’ve got it backwards. 6s and 7s have more incentive to be promiscuous.
““Like one of the commenters from yesterday’s post pointed out, the first cute girl to bat her eyelashes at one of these revolutionary Che Betas will have him betraying the brotherhood faster than you can say “just the tip”.”
You’d better hope so boys, because if you’re wrong, (and you are, at least with me) your days are numbered. And when the shit comes down, me and the other Betas will remember who it was busy banging our wives and girlfriends while we slaved away at the office/factory/lab.”
AJ:
i think it was you and i who had that exchange. i of course meant nothing personal by that, but it is true; men will undercut other men in the chase for pussy. i’ve done it to other men, and i’ve had it done to me. it comes in the form of being the “backdoor man”, a hater, a nay-sayer, or a cockblock.
men will always compete (read: undercut) other men in that chase. it is a monolith that our evolved gender has developed upon.
and the truth is, there will never be a mass movement of men to stem that tide. the minute you think you have another man in your corner, fighting the good fight against other men willing to steal your women, *he* will be the one to steal your woman. he will find some flaw in your character or personality and use it against you to fuck that woman.
surely there will be scattered incidents of men going vigilante, and i have no problem with that, but the potential costs do not outweight the benefits of sexual pleasure that drive men in these pursuits.
i admire your goal, but your rationale does not gel with human nature.
Mike, go get her.
Lady Raine asked….
“You want to financially support a woman as long as she does whatever you consider “wifely”?”
Ummmmm… yes?
I’m confused. Do you seriously not get that? I’ve got to assume you do… because if not… I don’t understand what you have been doing reading all these posts and arguments. That’s like remedial level 101 stuff!
groan. we’re back to the decline of civilization again. how about some more fun pickup stuff? how much more are we all going to pile on Lady Raine for being her obtuse self? i occasionally dig her blue-collar pearls of wisdom but really, she misses the whole point of this forum, as i see it.
the point of roissy’s post, not incidentally, was that there’s nothing that can be done about our social dysfunction and the only rational response is to game it. if the alphas of society turn their energies to hedonism, and the betas either stay marginalized or withdraw entirely, it only hastens the decline.
are there any examples of this actually happening that are meaningful? we can talk about in theoretical terms all day (and often do), but I’d like to know about any kind of trend of males “going galt” (so to speak) and withdrawing their participation from a society that undervalues them and their prerogatives.
Lady Raine–
Stupid I might be, but I’ve outbreeded you. Hahahah!
Doug–
I don’t disagree with you there, either. People want to mistakenly coin me as being “against” the type of women who want marriage/kids/home/white picket fence and I’m not. There has to be that “balance” as well. There are all kinds of women out there and I have no problem with the women who choose to be subordinate or the ones who are housewives by choice. It’s just not for me!
If I were married, I’d like an equal balance (I was raised to work hard and staying at home wouldn’t be enough for me, but I also wouldn’t want to be a “ballbuster” that never enjoys her child or home life). I’d want a partner, not a slave.
I understand your point on thinking that all women will essentially choose the “asshole alpha”. I may have chosen one ONCE but that is called a “mistake”. Everyone is allowed at least one of those, so I think it’s a little unfair to assume I date “bad boys”. Also as I previously stated my personal opinion is that my son’s “father” really wasn’t so Alpha as he wasn’t a bad-boy/criminal. He worked hard, wanted a family, but let alcohol ruin him. It’s really a shame.
Lurker–
Once again get your facts straight.
” —So how did “love” (notice how women always leave this amorphous meaningless term undefined) save your precious baby daddy from leaving you?”
He didn’t leave me, you idiot….I left HIM. We lived together and I packed up my clothes and my son’s (baby stuff) and moved out of our house. End of story. I left him with the house and all the things that were “ours” because I didn’t care about any of that.
“think about it, you red-headed slut: where did your idea about love come from? Bad movies, shitty pop songs, and women’s magazines. in other words, the same places Brittney Spears comes from.
think about it, if you can.”
I got my idea of love from my parents like most normal children do. My parents are still married and even to this day as an adult I have never ever heard them fight or speak disrespectfully to eachother.
I don’t know how old you are or how old you think I am, but pop music and Britney Spears? I don’t listen to pop music or Britney Spears, nor do I read women’s magazines other than for fashion (Vogue). I have to assume you’re very young and genuinely think all women read Harlequin Romance novels, munch on chocolate, love to share their feelings, and sway to their Britney cds. I mean, that was a joke, right?
You’ve got it backwards. 6s and 7s have more incentive to be promiscuous.
Paging El Guapo…
Michael wears a hat–
Lady Raine is obviously a troll, but more along the lines of “David Mathews” over on The American Spectator blog.
Lurker makes a good point, Chuck, and if I may, another point for your consideration:
What would a Beta Male, today, in 2009, have to fight *for*? During WW2, the cause was clear, and the rewards-a blushing bride, either homegrown or a so-called “war bride”, along w/a generous GI Bill, etc.
But today, knowing what we all know, why would such a Man go off to war to fight? Indeed, if current stats are any indication, there are more Jews in American, roughly 3 million or so, than military personnel, if I’m not mistaken. Think about that for a moment. We’re a country of roughly *300 million* people. Most Betas, I suspect, know the deal. It simply ain’t worth it.
Fellas, if I may, let’s be honest, since this is the space where “pretty lies perish”-Pussy is a Powerful Motivator. And when that’s taken off the table, most guys simply won’t give a damn.
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Master D–
Nice to see you again. I stated that because there are certain posters that seem to be pissed either way. Either she’s a ballbuster ruining the world or she’s “leeching off” her hubby because she’s lazy.
I don’t see anything wrong with someone living as the example you give. If you got married and you and your wife were happy with that decision, it’s great! It’s that some guys here would complain about that too….
Mike–
Clearly you don’t understand parenting at all. See, a parent who has full-custody of their child doesn’t cease to be a parent when they go to work or go on a vacation or whatever the case. I didn’t realize you would assume I was being literal….. meaning my day doesn’t end after work, it’s just beginning when I have to cook dinner and make sure I’m spending plenty of quality time with my son. If you honestly believe I’m “worse than welfare moms” I can only imagine how you were raised.
A responsible parent goes out and WORKS to support their family whether they’re male or female and I’m sorry, but I don’t consider sitting at home collecting welfare as “better” than my working to support him. I’m not lazy enough to do something like that and if you support laziness that’s your business.
maurice but I’d like to know about any kind of trend of males “going galt” (so to speak) and withdrawing their participation from a society that undervalues them and their prerogatives
Well Maurice, we can look at the extended adolescence that a number of young American men are currently enjoying/suffering through? We can also look at the random violent acts by young men like the Virginia Tec killer Choi or the young man(there are many) who let loose inside of mall killing a number of people last year or the year before.
Dr. Phil(oh brother) had a show about the young man. What a sad life that little boy lived. He was molested twice not once but two times as a kid. He didn’t live with his mother often as a child. He went from house to house. IIRC his father wasn’t in his life much as a kid. He was bullied at school. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when his girlfriend broke up with him. He left a note apologizing to his “family” for what he was about to do. IIRC, he said but now I will be famous or something along those lines.
lurker When everyone can be a lawyer rather than a farmer, most choose lawyer and pay someone else to sweat for them.
I think I posted a link some time ago about lawyers( those who do the grunt work) being outsourced to India.
Lady Raine -
Did your ex-husband ever physically assault you? Have any other partners assaulted you?
Maurice–
Don’t put the blame on me for a bunch of questions directed at me that are off the topic….
Also, I don’t miss the point. The above post is like pointing out the sky is blue….and then complaining about it all day like some of the guys here do. So there’s imbalances and unfairness in the world??? what? really???? I just don’t get why Roissy needs to whine about things that will never change instead of just living his own way and being done with it. Why the need to irrationally hate a whole gender for something that we (as women) don’t necessarily agree with either?
It’s like basing your opinion of White People on the KKK and crying all day that white people are the downfall of society. He focuses on the radicals of every group as if that’s the “majority” of opinion in society. It’s ridiculous and it’s another bit of proof that Roissy is a “blamer” and doesn’t want to actually be part of a solution because then he’d have no one left to blame except himself.
Whiskey, Comment, Thursday, Tupac, others
Isn’t there a lot of exaggeration about the degree of forced celibacy among beta males in their 20s and 30s these days?
It seems to me that Roissy and other PUA’s exaggerate it greatly. In part it’s an unconscious as well as conscious desire to make the important of their game message that much greater. As well they point out trends which I agree are present, but then make it sound sometimes that extreme beta pussy deprivation is already upon us. Is that really true.
I get it that omegas (which is what David Alexander really is, even if he shouldn’t be, and infact a lesser omega) aren’t getting any, practically. (Well even he did once.)
I get it that betas aren’t scoring in the metro bar scenes anymore, or hardly ever at least with a 6 or up — whereas a few decades ago higher betas sometimes could, at least in some of such bar scenes.
But can they really not find reasonably attractive girlfriends outside of the bar scene, after dry spells lasting yeah maybe six months or a year?
In other words, I get it that the rate of scoring of solid alphas and even lesser alphas has gone up huge what with all the feminist believing smart sluts as well as other kinds of that have always been there sluts. I get it that higher betas aren’t doing nearly as well on that front as they did back in the 70s and early 80’s (which were still sexually the 70s until about 83).
In other words isn’t this mostly a case of the sexually rich (alpha males) getting obscenely rich, rather than the sexually poorer betas getting a lot poorer.
As I’ve said many times before, the group I feel that is most important to worry about in terms of beta deprivation are the higher betas who are that importantly because of wider society status and income. They matter to society huge and to not adequately sexually reward them is a big problem.
If omegas and even lesser betas can’t get laid, is that such a tragedy — except for the really brainy nerd lesser betas who I do want to get a decent looking but probably mostly smart and also kinda nerdy wife.
Anyone have any numbers? Anyone want to talk about all the guys they personally know and how it seems to shake out among them?
“Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.”
Before studying game I heard a naturally Alpha friend say this and thought he had lost it. How terrible, how primitive, how backwards of him. Didn’t he learn about EQUALITY?
Since studying game I realize just how true this maxim is. If I could make one change to the U.S. Constitution, I would repeal the 19th Amendment completely and forever. Female voting has done more damage to our Republic than the little snowflakes could ever imagine.
Re: Obama’s unsustainable debt
While I’ve had my illusions about the nature of women, I’ve never had illusions about the Federal debt. We are nearing the end of Federal deficit spending, which should not have been allowed outside of war. (Real wars, like WWII.) And the collapse which will end it will not be pretty. The Federal government is in a corner. The two ways out: print money and collapse the value of the dollar, making it impossible for Americans to purchase the foreign energy they depend on. Or slash the Federal government…ALL OF IT…in half overnight. That’s military, Social Security, Medicare, everything, half of employees fired by morning, half of the budget gone, all checks sent out by the government cut in half.
Either one will shock and collapse our economy and take the world down with it. The former, which Obama is just stupid enough to try, could result in massive disruptions of the food supply since America is such a large component of global food production, and America’s food production absolutely depends on foreign oil. (Thanks to all the girls and their herb boytoys for voting to “save the Earth” and stop evil oil companies from drilling in America.)
These are the kinds of things that lead to war. Speaking of which, I have a sneaking suspicion that North Korea is preparing for one. They are probably correctly guessing that we can’t afford to fight them conventionally, and that Obama is too much of a pussy to nuke them. Hope South Korea can hold their own because if that’s what Kim Jong is thinking, he’s right on both accounts.
The world is in serious danger. And most of the mistakes that led us here can be traced back to women being involved in politics and the feminization of western men, specifically America’s men.
Yojimbo–
As previously covered, yes that was my reason for leaving him. He never laid a hand on me until I was pregnant….I left him 2 weeks after my son was born and never spoke to/heard from him since.
No I have never been in any other “abusive” relationships before or after that happened. (Also he wasn’t my husband…he asked to marry me and I said no, thank god.)
Lady Raine-
What do you think prompted him to assault you?
Maurice: Lurker has a point about blue vs. white collar jobs. It will be a lot easier to get manufacturing back to the States than it will be to come up with the money to keep female bureaucrats, yoga instructors, flower arrangers, event planners etc in business. They actually tried that, and it was called credit bubbles 1 and 2. Is not sustainable.
As far as the Mad Max scenario goes, I think it’s coming at some point. When municipal and state governments can no longer afford to pay police, it will be every man for himself. Men will learn to take care of themselves again, and women will come to rely on them for it.
BTW, I don’t hate women at all. But I understand now why, in the world created by our ancestors, women took care of the family and the social structure while men took care of the government and the civilization.
Our natures are what they are. Pretending we’re not different or better suited to different tasks in a society is suicide. As is pretending we won’t destroy ourselves with the absolute freedom (sexual or otherwise) that we crave.
Women should not be in the position they’re in right now. And men should not be acting like women on so many of the important questions of the day.
One other note: my comment “Real wars, like WWII” was not ment as a slight to anyone who has served in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, etc. Rather I only wish to distinguish between wars that the Republic must borrow money for, and military actions that a Congress might label ‘war’ for the express purpose of borrowing and wasting money.
Tupac–
That’s my experience. It’s also what Roissy said in a comment response to a direct question of mine to him about 20 somethings today. Though it can maybe be extended less so to 8’s also.
What tends to happen with 8s-10s I think is that they can attract stable alphas who are really into them and not total douches. As well they get TONs of attractive alpha male attention without having to put out to back up their responding to flirting.
That’s not to say that 9’s and 8’s don’t fall fast and easy sometimes to someone that REALLY hits them hard with seduction in just the right way and clicks right with them (often playfully but really dominantly), especially if they are in an especially receptive emotional state for that at the time.
As for 10’s, I can’t honestly say I’ve ever done a clear 10. (I’ve done lots of 10’s by the standards of some/many who post pics on the female photos page here.)
I like where yojimbo is going with this.
Also, agree with Roissy on the post. While I don’t particularly find large fault with siren #1 (contraceptives), i think #2 (no fault divorce) and #4 (female biased laws) are the biggest problems concerning society.
And we all know how long it takes for established law to be changed…
Its pretty clear cut and dry that society is heading down, down, down.
Chuck –
Right you are. Cooperation among men is always in constant conflict against competition among men, and there’s no greater incentive for competition than the non-zero sum prize of exclusive, high-value female sexuality.
Only extremely strong affinities and formalized allegiances among men will marginally deter such undercutting, much more than the prospect of violence. Total strangers though? Game on, and whether the “best man” wins is irrelevant.
Expecting that other men won’t try to fuck your woman because you have high ethical standards and wouldn’t fuck theirs is foolish — your average dude is going to dislike you for even imagining fucking his woman anyway, so may as well go for broke.
After all, a good percentage of very hot women one encounters are going to be “locked up” in an early, ill-advised marriage and/or LT relationships and your penis will not care.
Surprisingly, your good reputation amongst other chicks won’t suffer, despite bedding married/taken women. They’d never admit it, but the scofflaw free-ranger who’s indifferent to a couple’s marriage vows and doesn’t let the potential for violent retribution stop him is a sincere turn on, and they’re suckers for the gossip-drama to boot.
The article about why single motherhood on the rise is really interesting.
“We now have a situation in which large numbers of men are alienated from family life and from the next generation. And that’s hardly “feminist,” at least if feminism means the equality of women and men not only in public life but at home.”
So true. While there are a few parts of feminism that I agree with, the part about how “single motherhood is an essential part of female autonomy” is definitely not one of them. Of course it is at times unavoidable, but I don’t feel like it should ever be a first choice.
It is important to have a male and female influence in a child’s life, and in some cases this does have to be carried out by a father/mother figure who the biological parent is not romantically involved with (i.e. gay/lesbian couples), but I feel like a straight man or woman should be doing their best to make sure that their child is raised in a family with a mother and a father, preferably through marriage.
Oh, and I found this on novaseeker’s blog…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-u-of-c-mens-groupmay19,0,4707353.story
At least there’s some hope.
@chic- both men and women enjoy extended adolescences – people stay immature longer and settle down later. when they do, though, the system gives men little incentive to marry and women every incentive to divorce/cheat. what i was asking about is, is there any meaningful response to this – males going off the grid – if it’s true. your VA tech example was a bad one – I wasn’t talking about damaged people, just run-of-the mill betas. is david alexander the future of the male species in this country? (*shudder*)
also, how come i didn’t get an entry in your spoof post over the weekend? guess i’m too new – either that or i never post anything with a memorable catch-phrase …?
@Lady Raine – you do write some stuff that makes sense, and you are right that people beat up on you here on off-point stuff. if i were you, i’d ignore most of that. but you are just wroing in what you posted just now about roissy and the commenters here – we *don’t* hate women. there’s a whole way of thinking about history, society, psychology, sex, dating, etc. that lies behind the world view, and either you disagree with it or don’t understand it entirely. mostly the former, i’d guess, but a lot of the latter.
either way, your posts that disagree with the point of view of this blog make you a kind of irritant to the regulars, for better *and* worse. so long as you realize that and are cool with it, then everyone’s good, i guess. you do show a lot of spirit despite having been mostly a punching bag these past few weeks, and i give you credit for that. and as i said before, i think it’s a cheap shot to make fun of your kid – even those who mock your life choices (having never been in your position) ought to have the sense not to do that.
Chuck–
Overwhelmingly the responsibility there relies on the women who fuck those exciting losers.
I used to buy the feminist / chivalrous crap that it’s the male who should be blamed. It’s not that I approve of them. It’s that effective shaming and negative consequences has always been primarily on the woman — when it is effective.
That’s because as Roissy, all of Evo Psych, and other PUAs constantly point out, to very wide agreement, women are the gatekeepers of human intercourse. Absent rape or strong coercion that’s true. It’s certainly true in America today.
In other and simpler words:
It’s the slutty single mother’s fault. They should be following every mother’s and even more every father’s advice on who and when to fuck. Or at least a lot more so. Or at the very least use effective birth control, also almost all under her control.
As well, the more I’ve learned the more I’ve become convinced that most single mothers who get pregnant also wanted to consciously or subconsciously these days.
But can they really not find reasonably attractive girlfriends outside of the bar scene, after dry spells lasting yeah maybe six months or a year?
I’ve roomed with lots of betas in my time and the answer would seem to be no, they can’t find such girlfriends. Thinking back on it, it is remarkable how many guys I _never_ saw with girls.
Lady Raine – Was your baby-daddy a traditional Alpha? I.e. a big, burly, quick-witted, fun, macho guy? If so then you have completed Step 1 of the mating game successfully.
Next step, you have to find a sensitive and career-oriented Beta and get him to marry you. He won’t bother you with unwarranted advances, and will be a nice guy who will provide for you both and raise the child as his own.
Before you think I am being cynical, let me say that this is a proven evolved tactic. It wouldn’t exist today if it hadn’t succeeded in passing on genes through thousands of generations through millions of years.
As for 10’s, I can’t honestly say I’ve ever done a clear 10.
No worries, man, there just aren’t a lot of 10s out there (though they do exist). Even among models and actresses. A Monica Bellucci doesn’t come along every day.
Where do sex bots fit into all of this?
I’m surprised no one commented on the fact that just as our mating rituals are devolving, people are also starting to pick up affectations of primitive culture, like piercings and tattoos.
It’s telling these things were considered barbaric or lower class 30 years ago, but are now considered cool. Something dramatic has happened with the culture for this to change so much.
Lady Raine is an amazing hypocrite. In the last thread, she declared her disgust of betas, so much so that she said in the BotM thread that a man who did his best to lovingly support his wife deserved to be ruined financially. She said that the man being being beta was just as morally wrong as the woman who was taking advantage.
But if she thinks if being a beta is being so bad, why does she complain about this blog, when there is no other blog which discusses the alpha/beta dicotomy as much as this one. There is no other blog which discusses the difference as much, how a changing society has made things much worse for beta, and gave clear reasons why being beta is a terrible, terrible idea.
If she thinks being a beta is so terrible that you deserve to be ruined for it, she should be the #1 fan of it instead of moaning about how Roissy is such a horrible woman-hater. But there isn’t any logical point to what she’s saying, her ranting is just emotional “Grrrl-Power” pride.
lurker wrote
Mike, go get her.
SMDH
Lurker, please stop. You are not in a street fight. I bet you are as worked up as a prize fighter before a match . To encourage another man to give a woman a beat down, even a virtual one is ubber omega, you are better than that.
Seeking alpha Utopia for Asian-obsessed betas until ‘empowered’ Chinese women learn the power of the cuckold.
That’s all I’ve got
Seeking alpha, you really don’t think women the 3 billion women of the world er dream of pulling one over on the 2.7 billion men(30 million are true alphas) of the world so you?
To late for romance I do not volunteer and I have no problems leaving any country to live somewhere else once I get enough money. Give me some good reasons to please. Seriously.
1.Who says the country(s) you dream of moving to would want you. Once the US falls you will have all of the trouble moving about the world as any third world immigrant who seeks to enter a first world country. You may also find yourself on the receiving end of some taunting when the US collapses.
2. Can you speak a foreign language fluently without an e identifiable American accent?
3. How often do you eat foreign food. Bubble guts are not a joke.
4. If you have ancestor who made their way via Ellis island and the hell like conditions that some endured to make it here, do you really have to ask that question.
5.Only chumps pack up and get going when times get a bit difficult. You would become the real life cliché of the guy who loses his job and goes out for a pack of cigarettes.
hahahahaha This blog post is awesome in every way, I anticipate a 1000+ comments orgy of swpler whining. The sheer retardation of the first response which completely circumvented what the blog post was talking about to attack Roissy was nothing short of hilarious, though come to think of it that’s all Lady Raine has ever done or will ever do, straight up ad hominem attacks and nothing else. Lady Raine is a troll and a put on, probably some 25 year old guy in his underwear laughing his ass off at us for believing his bullshit. I believe Lady Raine, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, David Alexander, are put ons. Maybe even the same person.
Roissy, you can’t save the west, but keep writing about it, it’s great entertainment and IT’S UNEUPHEMIZED TRUTH, which seems difficult to come by.
Mr M and Yojimbo–
Did you seriously just ask what “prompted him” to hit me??? I really hate having to go through this story over and over here each time someone “new” thinks they already know the answer.
First of all, him being drunk and belligerent is mostly likely why. Otherwise I have no idea. I don’t believe in domestic violence on the part of either the man OR the woman, so if you are asking me if I “prompted” him by slapping, pushing, or hitting him….NO. I don’t believe in violence and it’s just as bad when a woman hits and throws things as when a man does it.
Since I was pregnant with a child that he WANTED I can’t really imagine why and like all abusers he just made excuses like “well if you wouldn’t make me so angry…..” Also I never cheated on him or anything like that but even if I had that still wouldn’t be a good reason.
It is clear that you think there are “good reasons” for a man to strike a woman (outside of being physically attacked) and that shows a low class character on your part.
There is no such thing as a man or woman hitting someone because they were “pushed” to do it. Each person is responsible to have control over themselves and since I am not a violent, verbally abusive woman I expect the same from my partner. It’s very simple.
Again, the only “reason” why a man should be allowed to hit a woman is if she hit him, threw something at him, etc. That is also the only excuse I find acceptable for a woman to hit her mate…..anything else is an excuse to lose control over yourself and blame it on someone else.
“Lady Raine is an amazing hypocrite. In the last thread, she declared her disgust of betas, so much so that she said in the BotM thread that a man who did his best to lovingly support his wife deserved to be ruined financially. She said that the man being being beta was just as morally wrong as the woman who was taking advantage.
But if she thinks if being a beta is being so bad, why does she complain about this blog, when there is no other blog which discusses the alpha/beta dicotomy as much as this one. There is no other blog which discusses the difference as much, how a changing society has made things much worse for beta, and gave clear reasons why being beta is a terrible, terrible idea.
If she thinks being a beta is so terrible that you deserve to be ruined for it, she should be the #1 fan of it instead of moaning about how Roissy is such a horrible woman-hater. But there isn’t any logical point to what she’s saying, her ranting is just emotional “Grrrl-Power” pride”
The first thing somebody does when confronted with discomforting truths they know are true, but can’t accept, is attack the messenger. If LadyRaine is even real, which I doubt, just keep this in mind when reading his/her horrendous posts.
Chuck-
I didn’t take it personally.
“men will always compete (read: undercut) other men in that chase. it is a monolith that our evolved gender has developed upon.”
Single men have, and will, always exhibit this behavior because they are naturally in competition for a woman. Once they get married, that should stop, or at the very least, if they get caught ’stepping out’ they should face sanctions from church, family, community, law (you pick it.) That’s how it used to be.
If you’re happily married to a woman who meets your needs, only a fool would intentionally do something to fuck it up. Yeah alpha guys had affairs anyway, but they enjoyed the risk of rolling the dice when they might lose everything.
Those consequences don’t exist anymore. That dickhead with 8 kids, cheated on his wife and got exposed on nationwide tv. No big deal. Sanctions, NOT forthcoming.
I’ve said it before, if you can’t confine yourself to just 1 good woman, you’re not a man, but a greedy child.
Sure, there is a scarcity of good women who even want to try and meet our needs, but changing that facet of our culture will involve restricting not only the women’s choices, but the alphas as well. Just like women enjoy the freedom a lack of shame brings, so do alphas.
If Roissy got his ass beat every time he fucked one of our girlfriends/wives, he would stop doing it, no matter how much they wanted him to.
“i admire your goal, but your rationale does not gel with human nature.”
It gels with human nature, just not in today’s culture.
DT
I’ve had a similar journey. I haven’t yet quite gotten to where are yet, but I’m certainly torn. Also I’d lay the “blame” for my epiphany on that entirely on Roissy’s. That is, what he himself says here mostly, but also on some commenters here.
@ASDF/lurker- uh, no. the only thing that will stop outsoucrng of manufacturing is the return of trade barriers – the opposite of conventional wisdom. the only other factor, that we saw a bit of when oil prices spiked last year, would be if the costs of transportation suddenly were non-zero – whether through fuel costs or lack of security such as the piracy near Somalia.
either way, imported goods must be *more* expensive, not less, then domestic goods for a market-based system to favor domestic manufacturing. and since overseas manufacturing in China is so much cheaper, there would have to be a hell of an import tariff to counter that. the U.S. is the world’ largest trading country, and we have important trade relations with every part of the world (i.e., not just within one region or bloc) so we have the most to lose from a 30s-style global trade war. but i think tariffs could be raised in some areas to protect key industires – the reason they have not been, in my view, is that the capitalist shareholding class has always been against it because (as with immigration restrictions) it would raise costs and lower corporate profits.
This crash is fake. The banks and credit card companies are deliberately, and with almost insane aggressiveness, sucking credit out of the economy. Thomas Jefferson understood the stunts these blameless bankers play, as did Andrew Jackson.
They are creating a crisis for Obama the Fake to ’solve’. They hope this will give Obama the Fake, ‘cred’.
Act accordingly.
Of course, there really will be some serious stuff happening within the next two years.
Celtic–
You consistently fail to understand anything I said. The post you are referring to with the Beta man has nothing to do with how I feel about Betas in general. I was describing the situation of marriage between that particular couple. I never said Betas were “bad” or “good”. I said that Betas are that way by choice. I don’t know why you keep failing to see that simple point I was trying to make.
I could care less whether a man is a Beta or an Alpha and to tell you the truth I don’t think there is much difference between the two except size of ego. However there is nothing hypocritical in me saying that a child who is supposedly raised “beta” still as an adult can choose to live by what society taught him…. or not. It’s not a “moral” issue and never was. I don’t think he was a “bad” guy nor do I think he was a victim.
He made a bad choice in getting married and an even worse choice in partner and we’re supposed to feel sorry for him? I feel sorry that he got fucked by an evil woman, but again…. didn’t he make that choice for himself? It’s not like we’re talking about a different culture or an arranged marriage here, so I don’t see why you still cannot grasp that I simply think “blaming society” for the kind of person you are (whether male or female) is retarded and also a huge cop out….nothing more and nothing less.
Hungry Hungry Hippo–
Yes I’m not even real. I created a myspace page 8 years ago in preparation for this very moment when I pretend to be a woman and troll Roissy’s post. I have unlimited pictures of the same woman to use on every website that has my personal information to further continue my lie of being a 28 year old woman from PA. Damn…. foiled.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
Yeah. Really, girls, don’t get tattoos. It doesn’t help you at all.
Guys… well, with certain women it probably helps a lot, but really, I wouldn’t.
Prompt was the wrong word. Triggered?
“drunk and belligerent is mostly likely why. Otherwise I have no idea.”
Did you do your degree/studies in psychology/criminology before or after this? Nobody acts without a cause – though of course the cause may be unjustified and morally wrong.
From your more mature vantage point what do you think made him angry? Did you consider an abortion?
Maurice–
No I don’t mind as long as we’re actually debating something, but it’s definitely annoying to have people ask me the same personal questions I’ve answered 1,000 times here….the reason I bother some of the guys here is because I don’t hate men, nor do I think they’re inferior and it’s much easier for them to discount me if I actually WAS like that. I don’t expect most here to ever admit that, but it’s true. Also I don’t think all the posters here are woman-haters…. just some. There are some very intelligent men here as well.
Russian men are too drunk to care
Show me a Russian woman married to a beta American guy in the US and I’ll show you a woman who is getting banged on the side by a Russian guy.
Trust me, I know.
I also think it’s pretty unfair to blame women’s suffrage for the US’s problems, especially if you’re using that in its most literal sense. Women aren’t the only ones who vote for candidates who make “bad” decisions, men are voting for the same candidates.
If you’re using it to say that women’s suffrage ruined the US because it opened the door even wider for women’s rights, then that’s your opinion which I won’t argue against (even though I disagree) because it won’t really matter what I say.
Lady Raine–
I don’t agree.
Before reading every single post on this blog and most of the comments (well by the commenters that i find interesting or are new here) I would have agreed with you. I might have found it fairly understandable but still wrong. (Would tend to give the guy a pass though under those conditions. For slapping and threatening, not for massive beating up.)
Now I don’t even think it’s wrong. It probably would be counter productive, depending on the micro culture the two, or really she, is in though. But wrong? No.
Chalk that down to more feminist deprograming. I don’t want to rob men of ALL the power of their usual natural physical dominance. I also don’t want to allow regular severe wife beatings, especially for things other than cheating.
When women were afraid of getting little to no money if they cheated even if they had children, and men were allowed under those circumstances in effect (due to juries, police, etc. more than the law but that too for minor slapping before feminist oppressive domestic violence laws), there was ONE HELL of a lot less female cheating.
***Here is a less dystopian view**:
Artifical wombs, cloned eggs (with Grade-A genes, pun intended), and caretaker robots will allow men and women to have their “own” families without needing each other. They will each concieve children that no court or opposing spouse can take away from them. Children of your very own, without the baggage of a nagging spouse.
Goodbye family-courts. Goodbye parasitic spouses. Goodbye C/S annuities. Goodbye Alimony rackets. You will not be missed.
Men and women will be truly equal, with no more “incubator premium” afforded to women in family/civil/criminal law.
Mating will become purely 100% recreational.
Doug1-
Successful Beta guys (doctors, lawyers, business owners) used to marry 9’s and 10’s.
They were guys that busted their ass all day, and came home to the hot wife and a big house.
Now that same level woman fucks a MMA fighter, rockstar, or some other tattooed freak, hoping he will marry her. And everybody else moves down the ladder 1 rung. That leaves what you’d call lesser betas out in the cold because they’re smart enough to believe they deserve something better than a 4-6, but often can’t close the deal, so they end up celibate.
I don’t know if PUA’s exaggerate it, but they’re sure happy it happens.
Yojimbo–
This was when I was 23 so actually it was very soon after most of my studies if I recall correctly.
Did I consider abortion? No, because my pregnancy was intentional. We were together about a year and then living together another maybe 6 months before I got pregnant. He never acted abusively (except the occasional verbal type) until I was about 8 months pregnant.
I genuinely don’t know what caused the sudden change, but he got nastier and nastier the more he drank…..I don’t remember the exact situation, but the first time he hit me it was because he had been out with his friends and came home without our car, totally plastered, and informed me happily he had gotten another DUI and didn’t know where the car was. Obviously I freaked out on him (since we had fought previously about him drunk-driving and he had promised not to do so anymore) and he attacked me.
He claimed to not remember it the next morning and whether he remembered it or not didn’t matter. That was the only time he actually HIT me. I moved out for a short time and came back once after he promised to get therapy. I was back just a week when I went into labor, had my son, and was back at home with him. The second was the final straw. My son was about one week old and he and I had been arguing about something stupid while laying in bed together. I didn’t want to keep the baby awake (nor did I want to continue to argue) so I told him I was going to sleep in the nursery with our son. I picked up my son and went to leave the bedroom and he leapt in front of me and shoved me back into the bedroom telling me he wasn’t “allowing me to sleep in the other room”.
Needless to say, the fact he shoved me WHILE I had our son in my arms was enough that I packed that night and left and never went back.
@DOBA – very interesting point re tatoos and piercings. i never thought of it that way before. markers of a more primitive society .. hmmm….
@Thursday – Monica Bellucci is past her prime. i recently rented an action flick. “shoot ‘em up”, in which she is the female lead opposite clive owen. even with all the movie makeup and magic, she looks middle aged now, in a way she didn’t in the matrix movie.
also concur that there are a surprising number of beta men that have *no* appeal to women and *no* idea how to interact with them. shocking to think about it, actually.
these are the men that in previous generations would have been married off to the town 3s and 4s and been happy to have them. today, those 3s and 4s think they’re 6s or 7s and reject the uber-betas out of an entitled princess complex. they think their value to men is *way* higher than it really is, and, being women, they want, but will never get, the successful alphas that will eventually take the 8s and 9s. then they wonder why they’re unhappy cat ladies when they’re 40, husbandless and childless.
@DT, doug – i actually wouldn’t go that far. although it’s true that women vote in higher numbers for the welfare state (Dems) and men for the opposite. it’s a pointless discussion because the franchise will never be rolled back …
Doug–
I already knew your stance on that particular subject and although I obviously disagree with you, at least you are rational in your reason. As you know, I don’t advocate violence on EITHER side so that’s the main reason I disagree with you. I think it’s very counterproductive and although maybe it made women cheat less, do you really want your wife to fear you? Her RESPECTING you is one thing… but there is definitely a fine line between respect and fear. I don’t think violence breeds respect and that’s my main opposition to you on that particular subject.
i recently rented an action flick. “shoot ‘em up”
Rent “The Apartment” from 1996.
Ok I see the point that the others are making about how LR may be a Troll. No one is discussing Roissy’s post. We are all discussing LR’s failed relationship with her baby-daddy. It’s like the whole thread turned into the Lifetime Channel for Women. So that’s how it is done. Brilliant.
Lady Whatever -
I like how you infer 3 paragraphs of my character from my one sentence.
Can we hear his side of the story? I bet its more telling.
Check out how even PA gets a little testy when you guys start posting about taking Polish women
as China grows richer and Russia recovers, Americans will be reduced to fill the roles of blacks towards white women in the US.
The CEO of Goldman Sachs will bang Anna Kournikova while the American beta will bang Major Koslova.
@Thursday – no argument about her prime.
Mr M–
Well that’s logical. Asking me what my ex’s side of the story was. If you can find him, feel free to ask him! I don’t even know if he’s dead or alive.
I know you desperately want a reason for why he’d act like that but I think it shows his character without my opinion that he never pursued any rights to his child, never offered child support, never “took me to court” over custody, and has never ever attempted to contact me in anyway. Considering he knew exactly where to find me and how to contact me for the first year or so after I left him, I think he had plenty of chances to “act a dad” so stop trying to make yourself feel better by thinking that I keep him from his child. Nope, he CHOSE to be a deadbeat and perhaps you should blame men like him for the reason men get fucked in court. Men who really DO just ditch out and live happily as deadbeats. They’re a huge part of the reason why the system is so skewed.
While I mentioned Lifetime, here is a piece about the Lifetime Channel for Men:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/empowered_man_murders_controlling
The more I interact with them the less I respect them and their capacity for decision making. I have even begun to read with a wary eye articles in the newspaper by women. Lady Raine is the gift that keeps giving, a pinpoint, mouse-hole exemplar of the ridiculous creatures we are dealing with. Asshole game squared for her kind.
Lady -
You still haven’t provided a reason why he hit you. Other than he was drunk. You 2 were together for a WHOLE year, surely you must know something about his personality other than “he flipped out and became Mr. Hyde” one night while drinking.
Keep in mind though, I don’t really care about your situation. Nor do I “desperately want a reason for why he’d act like that.” If you died by some unfortunate accident today, I wouldn’t really care.
Its just funny to see you skirt around various issues and rampage on others.
Off topic.
I usually leave the bar/club just after 12-1230, but I was out until close on Saturday. Anyway, the past few times I have been out that late, I have been opened by women. This followed by a barrage of shit tests on the slightest pretext. And if you fail happen to any of the tests, the girls would get really fucking mean. This seems to happen a lot as I am walking up to the bar where the girl is standing. The girls are always at least somewhat buzzed, but not necessarily drunk. It only seems to happen at clubs not bars.
So, if women are out and they are horny and they haven’t been satisfied with calibre of the guys who have been hitting on them, do they just start opening any good looking guy who happens to be standing a couple feet from them? And then throw out a bunch of shit tests to quickly see what he is made of? I wasn’t having a particularly good night, in fact, I hadn’t been out in a while and my game was pretty shitty, but I was talking to people.
Kim but I feel like a straight man or woman should be doing their best to make sure that their child is raised in a family with a mother and a father, preferably through marriage.
I agree it’s very important. It’s selfish to do otherwise.
Lady Raine I understand your point on thinking that all women will essentially choose the “asshole alpha”. I may have chosen one ONCE but that is called a “mistake”. Everyone is allowed at least one of those, so I think it’s a little unfair to assume I date “bad boys”.
Female to female lady raine
I think what really gets the men here going is your having a child with a “loser”. Had it just been a one off thing that you did and moved on, it wouldn’t have bothered most of them much.
Only a few have come forward but I would say that a number of the men here were raised in various types of broken homes. They know what it’s like to not have a dad around. From what I’ve seen, it’s very painful to young men when they think there fathers abandoned them. There is a very real chance that your son may one day turn to you and ask you picked such a loser to be his dad.
Whiskey to what is a violent, dangerous place totally absent anything but drug dealing and shootings in the urban core
My formally dearest whiskey, this is not the total story of the black community.
@ dana- I like your list.
Mr. M–
First of all don’t you realize the irony of saying “you didn’t provide a reason why he hit you”. There IS NO REASON for another human to hit another human unless they are attacked.
Second…. I think my extremely long post above describing in detail the two situations that involved abuse are pretty clear “reasons”. We had an argument about him coming home drunk and not knowing where the car was AGAIN. He didn’t like it that I dared to say so and that is why he hit me (or because he felt like it, I don’t know).
Seriously I provided the entire story above, how can you call that “skirting your question”…. are you blind???
“I have even begun to read with a wary eye articles in the newspaper by women. ”
Fun game:
1) read some journalist piece without reading the name.
2) If the reporter has injected themselves into the story, look at the name.
3) Note gender.
4) Repeat.
these are the men that in previous generations would have been married off to the town 3s and 4s and been happy to have them
We sub-human males found porn, learned how to do our own laundry, cook our own food, and extract friendship from women without the responsibility of having to take care of her. In turn, women discovered that they have brains, and the ability to earn their own income which frees men from working hard in exchange for the big piece of chicken and a heart attack at the age of 60. So fuck you to whoever thinks taking away women’s ability to earn middle class wages solves the problem.
Chic–
I appreciate your insight and agree with much of what you said. I did, indeed pick a loser….. I have already admitted that both publicly and inside of myself. I don’t “blame him” or say he “tricked me” into our relationship. I know I made a bad choice in being with him. What I don’t get is why the guys here are so enraged to hear a woman admit she picked a loser, assume responsibility for that choice (ie: financially and physically being responsible for my son) and is doing her best to not make that mistake again (as in why I haven’t “looked for” an appropriate “daddy” figure SINCE that time)
Every single person here is guilty of “making a bad choice” or having a messed up relationship or else they wouldn’t BE HERE so I just find it incredibly hypocritical that they want to pick on the one woman who DOES admit her mistake as opposed to blaming others (or worse blaming all men).
I am also not delusional and realize one day my son WILL ask why I picked a “loser” and I’ll have to answer that I am only human and made a mistake. However, as I’ve said before, I don’t ever talk about “adult issues” in front of my son suck as shit-talking on his father, shit-talking on family, financial issues, etc. So what I’m saying is that he’ll only know his father is a “loser” if he seeks him out and meets him, not because I put it in his head that he is one. If I HAD to give my son an opinion of his natural father, I’d tell him his father was a very sick man that needed more help than a wife or girlfriend could give him (and I believe that to be the truth).
Lady -
Sigh. What I was hinting towards, and what your thick skull cannot obviously comprehend, is that I ponder what type of relationship you had.
It was approx 1 year long. Was it smooth sailing? Rocky? Arguments? Did you 2 fight every weekend? Never? Did he bestow miles of gifts on you? Or just a bag of skittles and a pearl necklace? Was it candy pie and plum fairies up until 8 months into your pregnancy, then he turned rampant and beat your ass (which, to me, is the picture you are painting)?
Just because you describe the circumstances of one night (or 2), doesn’t mean you really divulge the entire story of your relationship. Or as i put it, the reason.
Honestly, if you treated him with the same amount of disdain and audacity you do the readers on this blog…after a year of it, i’d probably beat your ass, too.
(oh no, i’m a bad man!).
Doug –
Yes, betas cannot get laid. The typical path is: no G/F in HS, college, with more women than men, outside the Ivies, and lots of alcohol, and no real adult life, even beta guys get laid. Outside College, with nothing to bring women and betas together, and no booze to lower inhibitions, and no man-shortage to cause women to lower their standards and date betas, yeah, guys can go YEARS without girls.
See “Office Space” for this phenomena “Michael Bolton” character, or the very real complaints on Slashdot, other male dominated forums. Something different than in the go-go 1990’s when money allowed betas to compensate for being, well, beta.
WHY do so many guys post on this? WHY have guys totally abandoned female-oriented entertainment (movies, TV)? Why is there such widespread passivity in regards to women being molested and nothing being done? I think these are all arrows pointing in the right direction. There’s a link up-thread about how women in the UK have more partners than men. That’s also a red flag or an arrow. UK and US women are not that different.
I mean, look at the money PUA gurus charge. How many men are willing to pay for that, nation-wide. If that’s not a big red flag saying there’s lots of guys with no women, I don’t know what is.
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DT — If North Korea invaded the South, the global economy would collapse as South Korea is the critical supplier of: flat screens, various electronic components, and heavy equipment used in almost every industry. A globalized economy means almost any connected event can collapse the entire global economy. Not a concern for North Korea. A concern for us, and eventually as they’ll learn, China.
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I’m grateful to Lady Raine. She’s the poster child for most women nowadays. Preference for Alphas. No role for beta providers. Of course the “joke” on her is that her son is likely to become either an A-hole like his father, or regression to the mean, an angry, unhappy, sexless beta who can’t compete for women who want A-holes.
I mean, look at her story. The guy was a straight up A-hole (her kid’s father). That’s why she had a kid with him in the first place. Clear preference. He didn’t magically “turn evil” or somesuch. He was an A-hole, from beginning to end, she wanted the A-hole, and under stress of pregnancy, acted out his A-hole nature. She knew he was an A-hole. It’s why she chose him in the first place.
Her son has two choices: be a violent A-hole (not enough status to be a Roissy type A-hole) and get women, or be an angry, sexless, beta guy the kind that his mother dislikes and has no sympathy for.
Whiskey–
What the fuck? If that is the logic you use, then every woman who has ever dicked you over was CLEARLY like that from the start and you were aware of it and are therefore at fault for your choice. (since that is the logic you apply to my mistake)
Also, I hardly consider picking one bad apple as me “hating betas”. I have never shown this “disdain for betas” that you seem to think I have. What I have “disdain” for is Betas who cry about being Betas and then blame society. There’s a huge difference. My son does not have only those two choices….. he only has those two choices if I were stupid enough to raise him to believe that he should be whatever society tells him to be. Like I said before, blaming society for growing up “beta” is the biggest load of horseshit in the world. Parents raise children…. and if society has a bigger influence over a child’s brain than their parent’s influence, then that is the fault of the parent, not society.
Mr M–
So you want a play by play on the two year relationship?! It wasn’t a perfect relationship at anytime and yes we fought a lot pretty much always. However all relationships have problems and I wasn’t about to ditch out just because we fight sometimes. Yes I saw signs of “warning” in the way of “verbal abuse” but not physically. There was no cheating on his part as far as I know and I didn’t cheat so there weren’t fights about that on either side.
Also, I am not the one who considers him “alpha”. Only when I told this story before did the posters on here decide he was an “Alpha Badboy”. He didn’t lavish me with gifts, but yes he’d buy me things…. we went out together a lot….he didn’t kiss my ass nor did he treat me like shit on the general level. He was a really cool guy until alcohol touched his lips. That’s why I don’t think he’s a “bad” guy…. I think he’s a guy with a serious problem that is (or maybe already has) ruined his life and I feel sorry for him for that. However that’s not something I could have fixed FOR him then…. or now.
Mr M–
Furthermore on how he acted during preg since I didn’t cover that part of your question. When we found out I was pregnant he immediately called every relative of his and told them the news excitedly. And pretty much every stranger on the street too (which was very embarrassing for me and I was much too early in for us to be telling people)
At first, he was great in the way of being understanding when I was sick and helping out here and there, but he started picking up more work hours (to prep for the arrival of baby) and he started “having a drink” after work a little more often than he used to. That’s when the probs got worse than the usual “preg stress arguments”.
He was pretty much an asshole about the preg by month 4… when we went to get the first ultrasound and find out what the baby’s gender was, do you know what he said to the nurse? “Can you stop showing us every limb and just tell us, because I’m tired from work and this is taking too long”. That was the first and last appointment he went to with me or even DROVE me to. After that point I barely even saw him because he’d leave me at home and get drunk every night after work from that point on.
No, I don’t want a play-by-play.
I wonder then, how bad the fights were? Who initiated? What were the topics? Big issues (finances, baby)? Small issues (didn’t put the seat down, dishes not washed)?
Verbal abuse is a precursor to physical, by the way. Nor does there need to be cheating at all.
Anyway, judging by your story I think you’re just to blame for the situation as is your deadbeat-ex-husband. You just rationalized it the way you wish to see it. We all know what women say rarely equals to what they think/want/do.
ALSO, i highly doubt he never drank alcohol before the baby was on its way. I wonder what caused him to drink so heavily?
You so quickly disregard your husband as a result of just 2 moments of physical abuse. Yet women tend to stand by their mate for years of the same thing. Makes me think something was wrong before it happened. Or someone wanted out. Hmm…
maurice: I’m going to ask you specifically since you seem to Get It, how is more PUAs a solution or anything other than ‘Hasten the end, my people!’?
LR: Hey, hugs. I’d eviscerate him bloody (or at least draw blood) if it was the child, not simply just leave. It goes two ways and where children are concerned, it’s no joke. From evidence such as siestas and the reasons for them, the idea you get into your head as soon as you spoke of a father for your child, the fear of comitted relationships: I think you’re letting the fear of it happening again influence your life too much, though. Afraid of wanting sex, afraid of men, possibly afraid of your judgement, afraid of genuinely trusting him to care for the kid, all that. Not sure if you want to keep having to talk about this in a hostile environment, though.
The reason suffrage should have happened is because of the men who are asses, who are responsible for the women and screw it up. Which is valid and exactly why women’s choice is important. I think it’s laughable on both sides to say you can figure out what a person’s going to be 100%, all the time, with you. Otherwise the betas wouldn’t be so damn surprised when they get screwed over, nor would the women who do either. Both genders can get attracted for The Wrong Reasons. Some sociocultural factors come into play into Why People Are Stupid About Each Other but a lot of the time, isn’t it naive to think that most people are good people inside? Does anyone particularly ascribe to that theory?
I love the freedom a Western model gives women, accepting part and parcel of freedom is that it gets misused. Invariably. It’s actually kind of optimistic and non-misanthropic to try and blame only one gender for the World As Screwed Up. If the crazy theories here are true, I’ll hopefully have a surplus of kids to acheive the ideal synthesis which doesn’t involve apocalypse and risk of having to put up with abuse. Something that doesn’t involve taking away women’s choice so much. Though probably another laughable idea is that voting gives you power.
And that’s my pessimistic input.
The precise reason why political discussion can be a turn off for women is probably this: the name for the tone politics invariably has these days? ‘impotent’.
You are one of the faceless masses. Enjoy.
Lady Raine – did you meet at college? Was he a student? Did he try and articulate (after therapy) what was wrong? “I’m angry because…”.
“Overwhelmingly the responsibility there relies on the women who fuck those exciting losers.”
yes, the ultimate responsiblity falls on the shoulders of the woman. actually, i should say, the ultimate *burden* falls on her shoulders as she’s the one most likely strapped with the children.
but the problem is one of asymmetric information. a man, in his quest for pussy, will assume the role of whatever he has to assume in order to get laid. the “red queen” will be in effect though, as women slowly adapt to this imperfect information.
the problem at hand, for men, and the cause of their angst, is their decline *relative* to alpha men. this beta male movement type thing is the same battle cry of class warriors. they want egalitarianism when men and women aren’t equipped to desire one another in a uniform fashion. similarly, class warriors call for equality of outcome in economic terms, but people aren’t equipped with the natural resources to meet that goal.
for example: blacks today are better off in absolute terms than whites in recent decades. most have TVs, cell phones, cars etc, yet they are angry about their situation because they aren’t keeping up with the joneses.
@Doug –
I reviewed some numbers about marriage rates based on recent census data here:
http://novaseeker.blogspot.com/2009/05/marriage-and-divorce-by-numbers.html
Of course that doesn’t tell us anything about how many sex partners men and women are having before they marry, but it does appear that marriage is very much still a big player, as is divorce, for most men and women alike.
PA
UH huh, remember what I said earlier folks remember. Foreign men ain’t having you taking their women. Whiskey is right, men will fight over poon.
A.J travis I’ve said it before, if you can’t confine yourself to just 1 good woman, you’re not a man, but a greedy child.
For this^^^ I have a ton of respect for you. If only more men were like you and whiskey.
If Roissy got his ass beat every time he fucked one of our girlfriends/wives, he would stop doing it, no matter how much they wanted him to
Agreed, it’s the cosigning by others that allows BS like this and single motherhood (with multiple children) to go on.
“I used to buy the feminist / chivalrous crap that it’s the male who should be blamed. It’s not that I approve of them. It’s that effective shaming and negative consequences has always been primarily on the woman — when it is effective.
That’s because as Roissy, all of Evo Psych, and other PUAs constantly point out, to very wide agreement, women are the gatekeepers of human intercourse. Absent rape or strong coercion that’s true. It’s certainly true in America today.”
@Doug –
Very true. The feminists who were irked the most by the sexual double standard, which was an effective way of reigning in sexual immorality, were the ones who wanted the sexual freedom they perceived men to have: that is, to have what Erica Jong referred to as the “zipless fuck” without being slut-shamed. In other words, the women who were inclined to be slutty wanted this to go away so that they could be as slutty as they liked.
For the rest of the female sex who does not want to be slutty, the disappearance of the double standard worked against them. Why? Because the sluts were now out in the open and putting out sex to beat the band. This lowered the price of sex for the most sexually desirable men, and left women who didn’t want to put out sexually in a much less competitive position to win the attention of these men.
The price of sex *increased* for men of higher beta and below status. It *decreased* a lot for alphas, even lesser ones. It freed up women who wanted to be slutty to deploy sex as a means of getting access to alphas, but at the same time foreclosed access to the same alphas to women who are not willing to put sex on the table.
“Once they get married, that should stop, or at the very least, if they get caught ’stepping out’ they should face sanctions from church, family, community, law (you pick it.) That’s how it used to be.”
that’s yet another case of society trying to constrict alpha male activity for the sake of egalitarian outcomes in mating and courtship. its a grand idea, but some non-conformist activity *has* to be expected. men are programmed to want sex. their programming is difficult to disrupt by social confines like marriage. the more testosterone, the more alpha, the more difficult these urges are to curb.
“That dickhead with 8 kids, cheated on his wife and got exposed on nationwide tv. No big deal. Sanctions, NOT forthcoming.”
i watched that show once. i glanced at the shrike’s body posture and domineering personality and knew right then and there that she was the cause of all the problems in that relationship. you haven’t read “people” apparently because she was fucking her bodyguard if not before, while her husband was supposedly hanging out with other women.
“If Roissy got his ass beat every time he fucked one of our girlfriends/wives, he would stop doing it, no matter how much they wanted him to.”
wouldn’t happen. beta men will appease their woman before fighting and/or harming the sneaky fucker. and he will fall for it. if he doesn’t, she’ll break up with him and find a beta male that will tacitly agree.
plus, alpha males would merely adapt to the beta male’s investigative tactics to discover the affair. on the whole, if betas are smart and innovative, alphas are likely to be moreso. hunter versus hunted.
Therapy, Arabic version: Beat the shit out of them. They don’t do it again. It’s painful. But it works.
1. In all likelihood, there will be a 5th (and 6th) technological innovation which screws up your prediction.
2. That said, your prediction is 180 degrees incorrect, for reasons which I will explain in a few posts. But first, a riddle:
There is a town in America with the highest rate of poverty; the highest rate of food stamp use; an extremely high birth rate; and the youngest average age. In this town, the vast majority of residents do not speak English at home and 40% of the adult population speaks English not at all.
Can you guess what language they are speaking at home?
This whole business about shaming as an effective social control really only works in the presence of an actual community– the kind you live your whole life in, the kind that knows your business whether you want it known or not, the kind you can’t really escape or “reinvent” yourself away from.
A. J. Travis–
7’s to occasionally 9’s but more often 7’s or 8’s in my wizzened observation of days of somewhat old. Unless we’re talking about a guy then who was an alpha or lesser alpha in attractiveness. Or unless we’re talking clear multi millions and the usual considerable power and dynamic alpha personality that goes with it. Lesser alpha anyway, if not so smooth with the chicks.
Mr M–
He was NOT my husband. You also contradicted yourself that I should have seen the warning signs and left before all of that, but then you chastise me in the next sentence for leaving after “just two” abuse incidents?!
You also further try to imply in as many ways as you can that it’s my fault he hit me. I’d agree if I had hit him first… or EVER. A grown adult is responsible for their own actions, so if he chose to “hit” that is HIS issue not mine.
You also further accuse me of “blaming it all on him”. Blame what? The abuse? Of course it’s his fault. He is an adult and chose to raise his hand to me (not in self defense) therefore hitting me is his fault. There really isn’t any other way to see that
If you mean that I’m blaming the entire relationship on him, that doesn’t make sense either… no I never said he “tricked me” into being with him… I chose to. So I don’t see where I “blamed him” for anything that he doesn’t deserve “blame for”.
You also heavily imply that no matter what I say, I’m making the whole thing up because I wanted out? What would be my ulterior motive since I never went after child support and wasn’t married to him (therefore no alimony issues)?
You then proceed to say that most women who are in abusive relationship stay in them for much longer than “two times” that he became violent. Yes…. they do…. and those women are stupid. So now I’m also an evil woman for leaving an abuser for good instead of just leaving and going back repeatedly like a lot of women do????
Is there any answer here that won’t make me wrong in your eyes, because you’ve offered every single way that I am at fault for HIS alcoholism, HIS abusive nature, and everything involving our relationship. Like you said, a man doesn’t “suddenly” become abusive so by your logic he was an abuser long before he met me. You are clearly not looking for a real answer here… just a way to blame me for the whole thing and for his entire psychological make-up. Very rational.
Yojimbo–
No he didn’t go to college, he was a mechanic (and an excellent one!). We met through mutual friends. As for the “therapy” …. he never went and got any therapy like he promised, which is what told me that it wasn’t going to change and he saw nothing wrong with his actions. (not to mention his father was an alcoholic who sat on his ass while his mother provided financial AND housewifely responsibilities).
Chic, my point was mainly to warn naive Betas about so-called marital bliss with a foreign woman.
LR, if you had any sense, you’d stop breathlessly explaining yourself to a bunch of baboons on the internet.
They call it “qualifying yourself.”
Lady Raine
The hell it was counterproductive. The combo made women cheat not “less” but VASTLY less.
You’re damn right I want my wife to fear what I might do if she cheated on me. I want her to FEAR what I’d do to her both economically and physically. Not to mention to her lover.
In fact it used not so many decades ago to be the law in many states that a man who shot his wife’s lover or maybe her to after catching them in flagrante delicto would get off on a heat of the moment defense or something akin to temporary insanity. And was the case nearly everywhere else that he’d get off very lightly.
Do I want her to fear me day to day or for pissing me off? Hell no. And no woman ever has. Not any fear of anything physical from me over stupid stuff or me having too much to drink once in a while or anything like that.
Yes I want fear over her cheating. Mostly of course I want to much respect.
No woman who’s lived with me (and there’ve been quite a few) has ever cheated on me to my knowledge, and I think I’d know. I’m not at all blind to such things.
Roissy – I enjoy the new Lifetime Channel for Women format for your blog. Today’s lineup of Lady Raine and her life story was really touching, and enpowering. Who is tomorrow’s guest?
I love that place. They also use that type of therapy on uppity women typing on teh interwebz all day instead of fucking.
I give you Falaka!
“Who is tomorrow’s guest?”
Probably Lady Raine…again.
momma, they’re playing your song at club silencio.
[Maurice: i feel for the kid. i really do. bye]
@puma- who would mother such children. Humans are a breed of animals who can have children and move on after the eggs are hatched. It takes at the bare minimum 10-13 years before a child can stand on its’ own in the real world.
@doug- If default cheats can I slap him? What if he gives me HPV from one of his women, is it okay to slap him then?
Lady Raine
As to you my saying you hadn’t provided details about your live in boyfriend and baby’s father abusive violence towards you or real drinking problem now you have.
Hitting you when you had a baby in your arms was particularly unforgivable. As was striking you when eight months pregnant.
I wonder if Chick Noir would still “respect” me if I stated the other half of the truth:
If we beat the shit out of every wife/girlfriend who fucked around on us (consequences be damned) they’d stop doing it too, even if Roissy got them REALLY wet.
It’s one of the reasons they rarely cheat on their psycho alpha boyfriends/husbands.
Chuck-
Successful societies DO constrict alpha male and all female sexual behavior for the benefit of the Beta male. The shit-storm we are in now, is the result of those chains being lifted.
“wouldn’t happen. beta men will appease their woman before fighting and/or harming the sneaky fucker.”
It doesn’t happen much now, because most Betas believe that they can employ the same tactics they used in college and fins another girlfriend/wife so why go postal, but as Betas like me get pushed closer to the edge, and realize that the next woman may never come, we won’t have anything left to lose or fear.
“plus, alpha males would merely adapt to the beta male’s investigative tactics to discover the affair. on the whole, if betas are smart and innovative, alphas are likely to be moreso. hunter versus hunted.”
Doubtful, alpha males are generally lower in intelligence than Betas (higher intelligence = lower testosterone) plus alphas don’t adapt to betas they adapt to women. If alphas could ultimately out-think Betas in other things besides pussy, we’d all be speaking German, Japanese or Arabic now.
Chic –
Yes.
And LOTS of women do, almost always with zero consequence.
Oh, in these cases he has NO BUSINESS AT ALL slapping back. He deserved it.
Lady Raine What I don’t get is why the guys here are so enraged to hear a woman admit she picked a loser, assume responsibility for that choice (ie: financially and physically being responsible for my son) and is doing her best to not make that mistake again (as in why I haven’t “looked for” an appropriate “daddy” figure SINCE that time)
Lady Raine, the reason they attack you ( the hardcore stuff that I don’t agree with btw) is because your story is literally the walking stereotype of what men like Whiskey write about when he comments on the current state of American women. You have put a face to what they claim to hate about American women and the reason American civilization is going into the dumps. Therefore, they use you as a whipping post so to speak.
The way I see things, you have one son who you are taking care of with no husband, please please please don’t allow a second random man(re not your husband) to impregnate you. It’s difficult to support a child on your own & children deserve two “healthy” stable parents. It’s our bodies as women-true but we don’t have the right to phuckup the lives of innocent children with our choices often made in the heat of the moment.
The man who makes you panties wet in the club isn’t always the guy who will make the best husband or father for your kids. For reasons that I don’t understand, women have so much trouble understanding this simple but very important fact about life but men don’t. Some women try to force pieces of the puzzle into slots that they just won’t fit, we bend, chop up, jam, shift around pieces that aren’t meant to fit where we want them to. Far fewer men get caught up( knowingly) with the town “ho” ,drunk or drunk addict cause they understand that some women aren’t safe bets for one of the biggest and perhaps most important decision of your life, who you’ll have children with.
lady raine as I’ve said before, I don’t ever talk about “adult issues” in front of my son suck as shit-talking on his father, shit-talking on family, financial issues, etc.
And I commend you for this Lady Raine because doing so can screw up a child’s head.
Also Doug-
“you haven’t read “people” apparently because she was fucking her bodyguard if not before, while her husband was supposedly hanging out with other women.”
My point was not who was the bad guy in that relationship, they both are, my point was there will be NO actual sanctions against either of them for their cheating behavior.
In fact, I’m sure season #2 of their show will probably make them both rich.
A love story….part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMqHui3mMc&feature=related
Part II
PA–
Even if he’s a higher beta in terms of his pickup game, but a strong manly type who has some relationship game, good not fabulous, but isn’t a wimp and doesn’t role over for her, and attends well to the bedroom, without being a super stud?
I.e. I’m asking about a guy who is NOT pussified and in that respect your version of an expanded field of alphas of the older school variety.
Firepower–
Watch it kid.
doug1 Yes.
And LOTS of women do, almost always with zero consequence.
doug, if bhetti slaps you and you want to call the police to have her arrested, you can do so. If the cops come in and see a bruise on you, they will cart your lovely bhetti to jail with the rest of them. Now maybe this varies from state to state but I’ve seen police lock women up for domestic battery.
aj Davis If we beat the shit out of every wife/girlfriend who fucked around on us (consequences be damned) they’d stop doing it too, even if Roissy got them REALLY wet.
Or they choose to avoid men.
It’s one of the reasons they rarely cheat on their psycho alpha boyfriends/husbands
Even these men are cheated on if the woman has some free time on her hands, his friends decides to muscle in, and she is that type. Anyway, why would you want to live in a house where everyone is walking on eggshells. It’s one thing for your family to know that your boss, but something else entirely to have them walking around in fear of pops going postal.
A.J davis, rockstars(those with money) are alpha too. Any man with money is an alpha because he could get a “10” to marry him, maybe not love him but marry him and put out yes.
That leaves what you’d call lesser betas out in the cold because they’re smart enough to believe they deserve something better than a 4-6
Entitlement much???
NO one deserves a “ten” or a billionaire just because they want one. In your life, there have been women who liked you, yet you wouldn’t give them the time of day because you didn’t want them. Well the same thing happens with the “lesser beta”.
but often can’t close the deal, so they end up celibate.
Then it’s lesser beta’s own fault, sometimes we must make lemonnaide out of lemons. The unemployed contractor with little savings is an idiot if he turns down a 20 per hr job because it could get 40per hr for the same job two years ago.
@doba- Funny enough, I’ve head a few women, besides myself mention that they think tattoos are played.
Maurice those 3s and 4s think they’re 6s or 7s and reject the uber-betas out of an entitled princess complex
Really? In my experience those 3and 4’s are desperate for a man any man to treat them well.
maurice then they wonder why they’re unhappy cat ladies when they’re 40, husbandless and childless
I don’t deny that some women are so choicy that they price themselves out of the “meatmarket” if you will but there are others who are 40,husbandless, and childless by choice.
Lady raine Did I consider abortion? No, because my pregnancy was intentional. We were together about a year and then living together another maybe 6 months before I got pregnant
Intentional why??? How come he was able to talk you into carrying his child but not to marry him???
He never acted abusively (except the occasional verbal type) until I was about 8 months pregnant.
I genuinely don’t know what caused the sudden change
I’ll take a stab at it, he didn’t want the baby anymore. Once he saw the level of responsibility he was moving into, he wanted to run. After having lived with you for 6months and played house, he was ready to move on. Why pay for the milk when you can get the milk,the cow, and even the farm for free.
Since he wasn’t married to you, the baby was the only tie the two of you had. They don’t make many standup guys like ST and Whiskey anymore. Some men will push you down the steps, run you over with a car etc… if you are knocked up with a child they don’t want. Gone are the days of men just abandoning a child they don’t want.
but he got nastier and nastier the more he drank…..
His true nature came out along with him thinking of the possible child support he would have to pay if you carried your child to term.
Lady raine wrote don’t remember the exact situation, but the first time he hit me it was because he had been out with his friends
In the next paragraph you wrote That was the only time he actually HIT me
Now I’m not big on blaming the victim but we women need to cross the street when we see crazy coming our way. After he hit you the first time, it’s best to walk away from him.
Needless to say, the fact he shoved me WHILE I had our son in my arms was enough that I packed that night and left and never went back.
Good for you. Some women stay your years taking abuse. It’s best to leave early before Stockholm Syndrome sets in.
@CHIC NOIR & ROISSY- lol, tood is that you???
Still hedging her bets
The man who makes your panties wet in the club is NEVER the man who will make the best husband or Father for your kids. The ones that would, are probably ’staring’ at you in that ‘creepy’ way that women hate.
If you’re looking for a good man, talk to that ‘nice’ guy, wearing unfashionable clothes, who’s behind you in line at the supermarket, or reading computer shopper at Barnes & Noble.
South Korea’s birthrate has dropped to about 1.2 children per female.
Japan’s birthrate is roughly 1.37 children per female.
Tunisia, Algeria, and Iran’s birthrates are all down to roughly 1.7 or so last I saw.
The “replacement” birthrate is 2.1.
These economies are going to ineveitably contract badly in about 20-30 years when way too many retirees are straddling the system like welfare bums, with too few workers to support them.
Note for all women in this thread: Latinas that speak english and can type will be entering the pink work force in this decade. The daughters of the day maids will work cheaper than you, can operate the fax machine and the printer, and can type. They will be severely lowering your pay by making it stagnate.
The biggest game-changer on the horizon will be artifical wombs (already birthing mice and rats in experiments). When men can have kids without women, they wont even try to marry them anymore, and women will truly be cast adrift into a world of endless-pump-n’-dumps. In fact, since so many women cannot afford kids on their own, I see a future in which about half the kids raised wont have a mom. A sexbot and kids that are “his” entirely, and cannot be taken away by a court, and a life of trawling bars and picking up random women with game is surely going to be preferable to being stuck in a marriage that could financially wreck him at any time, while straddled to a bitch who complains and criticizes him constantly.
I predict the coastal areas with be majority non-white in about 20 more years and the interior of America will be filled with many Jesus-freaks who pretty much have 2 kids each and keep their heads down. These people aren’t noticeable because they aren’t on TV, but they will be there………chugging away at their little churches. Its the D.C.’s and New York’s and Baltimore’s and LAs’ and Seattle’s and Miami’s that are going to be quite foreign places in 20 years. Whiskey has a blog post about how radio stations in LA are going hispanic now and indie rock stations are going out of business. There aren’t enough white kids there to listen to alterna-music anymore in those areas, their parents only made one kid each if they made any at all. There were more young white people 20 years ago in these places than there are now. The generations of them are getting smaller. Their cultural “dominance” will fade into obscurity as they get outnumbered in the clubs……………………………….but where are they going to go? The heartland is filled with Jesus freaks and there are relatively few bars (because most people are in churches instead), so living in Missouri or Kansas would be very boring to such people. I think they will simply shrink into utter obscurity by mid-century in these areas on the social scene.
By the way………………………for the stupid, and we have a few here. A birthrate of 1.0 (which a few cities on this earth are actually down to) means that each woman only has one child, simply replacing herself…………..but not the father. If there were 200 adults, half male and half female, this means only 100 babies were born. If this set of babies does it again…………………..you only get 50 babies in the next generation. You get to 25, then 12, 6, 3. It doesn’t take long for a civilization to die out. Thats what -REALLY- happened with Sparta. There were only roughly a 1000 Spartan citizens left when she finally toppled. The rest of the world was growing, but she was shrinking. She got overwhelmed. The late-age Greeks complained about the Romans overwhelming her with their births more than battlefield prowess. The same thing happened with Rome vs. the northern barbarian tribes that toppled her. Its the same story, women got wealthier, delayed childbirth, birthrate got under about 1.8 for a few consecutive generations………….then there was a shortage of young capable men, and the place couldn’t defend itself. Augustus was complaining about the low birthrate of the nobility in his day……………..and later, even with her advantages, Rome fell to illiterate barbarians who didn’t even appreciate art.
Even if he’s a higher beta in terms of his pickup game, but a strong manly type who has some relationship game, good not fabulous, but isn’t a wimp and doesn’t roll over for her, and attends well to the bedroom, without being a super stud?
Doug, unfortunatley, you’d be surprised by how many guys today don’t measure up to your reasonable description of a regular guy above.
Foreign brides are also pre-selected as mercenaries.
I’m not proud of it now (OK, I am certainly not ashamed: those dudes were poachers in my woods) — but I slept with one Polish girl who was engaged to an American guy two days before they got married. She was what Clio would dub an Alpha Female, and she was mercenary like hell.
I also did TONS of sex talk by phone with Polish women married to Dutch, German, English, or American guys. It became almost an addiction. It really was fun and addictive: I’d meet her online on I.M., we;’ chat briefly, exchange photos, and more often than not talk dirty on the phone withn a week. Real dirty, to mutual masturbation. Some of these grils had beautiful voices.
This was while I was still single and dating real-life girls as well, mind you.
But what it illustrates is that women who marry outside of their culture make a huge tradeoff, and unless (1) the guys’ got tons of dough and life is a carefree fun ride, (2) or is an exceptionally sexy guy, or (3) they are one of those rare perfect-matches, (4) or she is a very pragmatic type who couldn’t care less about impractical things, she’s gonna pine for the sound of her own language whispering dirty words in her ear.
And Polish girls are supposed to be the good ones! don’t even get me started about Russian girls.
Why would I discuss something this important who can’t even get my name right?
I wouldn’t.
You want an answer from me, address me properly. And unless you are willing to give up some of your freedom to help save society, don’t bother.
And before you try to run down the litany of crap that women used to put up with in the past… That was the past.
The only repression you labor under today, is your own.
It doesn’t illustrate that about girls who marry outside of their culture in general, just about the specific cultures you mention. For example certain cultures of Asian girls will often lower their standards to date a nonAsian guy. What you say is definitely more common scenario but not universal though.
Q: What do you do when your dishwasher isn’t working?
A: You kick her
Q: What do you say to a battered woman?
A: Nothing. You already told her once.
chic noir–
I used to not be. But I’ve come to realize that the “victim” of things other than government or other organized groups often is to blame. Usually probably.
What we used to call losers and fuck ups we now call victims. Unless they’re men. Or really, unless they’re white or Asian men.
PA, you ought to be ashamed, you hurt some guy you never even met, for your own sexual gratification.
The way things are going though, you’ll get paid back in kind.
For example certain cultures of Asian girls will often lower their standards to date a nonAsian guy.
Just from anecdotal observation, I’ve seen a few American guys taken to the cleaners by their East Asian (Korean and Philipina) wives.
Those women can be heartless and mercenary to a level that a Western guy can’t comprehend.
I know one guy who was rear-ended in traffic, and his Korean girlfriend took him to court for phoney injuries. Him — the guy who was rear-ended by another driver.
In one case, one of these wives just up and left, didn’t even take the kids with her.
Lady…
He was NOT my husband.
Oh? My mistake.
You also contradicted yourself that I should have seen the warning signs and left before all of that, but then you chastise me in the next sentence for leaving after “just two” abuse incidents?!
I never said that you should have left prior to the abuse. I said I’m 100% certain there were events leading up to the abuse that were quite obvious the relationship was on that path. Nor did I chastise you for leaving after 2 incidents. Its an observation I made regarding the typical DV case and yours in particular. You’re making a lot of assumptions about my judgments on you.
You also further try to imply in as many ways as you can that it’s my fault he hit me. I’d agree if I had hit him first… or EVER. A grown adult is responsible for their own actions, so if he chose to “hit” that is HIS issue not mine.
Sadly, Lady, its both your faults.
You also further accuse me of “blaming it all on him”. Blame what? The abuse? Of course it’s his fault.
You sure seem to be. I’m providing counter-argument that maybe the relationship was heading to that point anyway (the abuse), and both of you had a part in that.
You also heavily imply that no matter what I say, I’m making the whole thing up because I wanted out? What would be my ulterior motive since I never went after child support and wasn’t married to him (therefore no alimony issues)?
Funny you bring that up. You’ve stated many times here you wanted a child. A woman…wanting a child? What an unheard of ulterior motive!
So now I’m also an evil woman for leaving an abuser for good instead of just leaving and going back repeatedly like a lot of women do????
I never said you were evil.
Is there any answer here that won’t make me wrong in your eyes, because you’ve offered every single way that I am at fault for HIS alcoholism, HIS abusive nature, and everything involving our relationship. Like you said, a man doesn’t “suddenly” become abusive so by your logic he was an abuser long before he met me. You are clearly not looking for a real answer here… just a way to blame me for the whole thing and for his entire psychological make-up. Very rational.
I offered you ways that its not just his fault…which you are so content at sharing with the denizens of this great blog. Very freely, i might add. You might want to reevaluate what happened in your life and stop blaming the father, before you bestow some misplaced hate in the male race in your son.
you ought to be ashamed, you hurt some guy you never even met, for your own sexual gratification.
The way things are going though, you’ll get paid back in kind.
A.J., like I said, I’m not proud of it, though at the time there was part of me that rationalized this as “fuck ‘em, they poached my women.”
I never claimed to be a saint. Though I’ve never slept with a married woman. That was one taboo I’d not try to cross.
A.J. Travis: I’m pretty sure chic noir doesn’t do that on purpose and a knowledgeable person would assume dyslexia, especially since she has constant difficulty with new names.
‘You can’t spell, therefore you are unworthy of The Greatness.’ Even though chic’s just recently posted what she thought were hot betas somewhere else. She looks like a likely convert. If you use that as a standard, you are basically going to get nowhere with your revolution. You need to preach to those who know no better, rather than the intellectuals, because they’re the ones most likely to follow you and blindly.
You as beta and/or nice? Currently looking like bull. You’d be a psychopathic killer of all men you viewed as sexually successful if there weren’t any social restrictions on you, probably assuming they slept with a married woman at some time, somewhere.
Chic:
VERY difficult to imagine. I think he’d keep the police out of it and deal it with it his own way. Frightening, actually. With a man like him, he doesn’t even need to slap to wound deeply and unforgettably.
I wouldn’t dare. Not that he’d ever give me real reason to.
LR IS the perfect example of not just what is wrong with the typical woman of today…but how the culture has been engineered to push as many women as possible down the same path of “self-empowerment” as LR has done.
In a system for which a Father’s parental rights are not afforded almost zero consideration…a culture in which marriage is degraded, and adolescent attitudes extended well into adulthood, you get LR story writ large over and over and over again.
Note the circumstances of her personal story…than read between the lines.
A boyfriend who was all excited about having a baby…who starts to stay and work, and gradually escalate his drinking from casual to heavy drinking every single day.
It’s quite obvious LR became quite the pleasant person to live with (just as she’s made her presence appreciated so much here as well!).
So pleasant, her boyfriend preferred extra hours working and than drinking himself into a stupor….just so he could come home to deal with his no doubt “pleasant” girlfriend.
She’s managed to get under the skin of a whole lot of us men (and a few women too) in her week long participation.
Imagine LIVING with that.
Imagine busting your ass all day at your job, trying hard to make more money because you know your son is going to be born. You’re stepping up to become the provider you think you’re supposed to be.
Except, when you get home after trying to work harder to provide better for LR and your coming child…you don’t get credit, appreciation, reassurance or support.
Nah…it’s quite obvious given LR’s personality that she’s put out here for all to see…I’m sure the boyfriend grew to DREAD coming home from a long day at work.
Yeah Lady, he shouldn’t have hit you — there is no excuse for striking the pregnant woman with your baby in her womb. But you completely fail to even start to recognize your role in this travesty…(and what I mean by travesty is that in fact the tragedy in all this is your fatherless son who’s life will forever be shaped and affected negatively by your mistakes).
But even with his senses deadened by the alcohol, her verbal tongue lashings and criticisms were able to provoke him into behavior he most likely did not think was good for him either. I mean, I think I would last 1 day with LR before I would feel the compulsion to smack her…the dude lived with her for over a year before she finally drove him to cross that line!
An abusive wife beater is one who’s abusive behavior becomes apparent at the beginning of any relationship. But in this case, It took a year of nagging/arguing/bitching and him trying to escape into the bottle that finally drove him to cross the line into physical violence.
But, like the typical, self-centered, narcissist American woman of today, it’s all HIS fault. “He hit me, I left! His fault!” Under the feminist rubric of today, LR is completely exonerated for the tragedy of her broken home, after all, he hit her. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! No other explanation is necessary
But I say, look at the pattern of behavior as she described it.
He “just decided” to start working later and later, and drinking more and more because “he had a personal problem.”
Yeah…we know what problem that was – coming home to a shrill, shrieking, never-satisfied, hyper-critical bitch who NEVER SHUTS UP.
Back in the old days…when women were held accountable for their behavior by the community and her peers and family, it would be quite obvious that LR became the harridan that drove her man to drinking. Maybe a friend, or an aunt or her own mother would have gave her some advice to appreciate and support her boyfriend….to create an environment he COULDN’T WAIT TO GET HOME TO. Not browbeat, nag, criticize and bitch at him until he becomes an alcoholic wife beater.
Women, when you marry or co-habitate with a man, you need to realize that YOU are the home. And the environment you create is going to be the one he looks forward to coming home to….or he’d rather work late and drink himself into oblivion rather than come home to face the environment you have created for him to live in.
I’m still married after 12 years, because I can honestly say I can’t wait to go home after work every single day…because I’m going to walk into a home with a generally pleasant, happy woman that will be affectionate towards me, is easy to converse with, as well as having a very well-cooked dinner for me to eat almost as soon as I’m in the door.
Of course, that’s only because I learned about game and no longer act like a beta chump that made her bitchy because she couldn’t respect me. While a few of you have guessed that LR’s baby’s daddy was an alcoholic, bad-boy alpha thug…
…I estimate an entirely different scenario. More like he was sinking into LTR beta-tude…the same one that almost killed my marriage. And the more beta he acted, the more contemptuos of him LR got. The more contemptuos she got, the bitchier she got whenever she was around him, the more he’d rather work and drink than come home to her contempt and disgust.
Sliding into beta-tude in a long term relationship can easily turn into a very destructive negative feed back loop that will turn any relationship into a death spiral…and doom a young boy to a life without a father.
chic noir
I almost missed this.
OK
HPV = deserved slap
Cheat = I let you have your slap
The mere fact that you consider a slap means I need to get my Apha swagger on.
Class clown needs to go back in his box. I am not even sure that evil clown is enough.
For now I will just scowl.
@CHIC NOIR & ROISSY- lol, tood is that you???
No, it was not me. My imagination is not that active, wish as I do that it were.
I am limited to simply saying ‘rocket launcher’ and ‘the usual fee was not paid’.
PA: Your rationalisation fails, ‘course.
Just face up to the fact you didn’t give a crap:
Mirror, this is me, and I violated all good traditional Polish values by sleeping with a woman who was someone else’s. Some people (definitely AJ Travis) would love to see me dead, or possibly tortured. This is the magnitude of my crime.
If you don’t do that, you can’t be someone else or reform from it or move on or be a different man from the one that did it.
Dave -
Exactly what I was getting at.
David from Hawaii: I know right know no man or nagging bitch is going to drive me to alcoholism. I had to go home to three nagging bitches for some of my formative years, with no male presence, and not once did I do any of that.
Don’t excuse weakness in a man.
Even I’m stronger than that bullshit.
Lady Rain:
He wanted to have a child and to MARRY you, but after a couple of dust ups, you leave him…NEVER to hear from him again. OK.
Wants child….wants marriage…VANISHES WITH OUT A CUSTODY FIGHT??? Hmmmmm!
Again, your story is missing MAJOR elements of truth of which no one will ever know unless we hear his story.
I believe you’ve convinced yourself of an alternative thesis on how/why this guy bailed…and let’s be honest…there was something so detestable about you he would rather run, than fight (for his relationship and child).
Don’t try to pyscho-analyse here…HE LEFT YOU. Know this…he wanted a child…got one, wanted marriage…..swilled too much booze and had a 180 degree fundamental change in what he wanted…and was gone…with nary a fight for his offspring or YOU?
I am not saying I don’t believe your side, we only have half the story though….and a fishy one at that!
Oh, I’m not making excuses. He should have manned up and not tried to escape his problems by drinking.
But than again, we live in a culture for which men are indoctrinated to act beta, women are indoctrinated to be “empowered,” and that men are supposed to “make her happy.” When he follows the cultural norms that he thinks are supposed to make her happy…and they only maker her worse, often times he than turns to escape – affairs, drinking, etc.
My only real point here is that LR has been playing the martyr by giving all of us the gory details of HIS fault in her present circumstances…while ignoring or justifying her own role in the creation of her son’s broken home.
PA
Women EVERYWHERE are devilish whores. They aren’t better in Asia or Poland or Russia or England. They are mercenary and capable of turning love into cruelty EVERYWHERE.
The main advantage in dating in SE Asia is that your relative status is higher – so you can date more women, and pick a devilish whore more to your liking. That and a greater % of the population is more likely to fall in love with you. That and they like to be housewifely.
It’s true that tourists get eaten alive by the girls when they travel. It takes a minimum of two years as an expat to get a handle on the soul of Asian women. And when you start to, you find that it’s simply the soul of a woman. They are devilish whores who are apt to get what they can from you, and are equally apt to be gamed into falling in love with you for a while.
And of course there is always the option of getting a young starry eyed devilish whore – 19 or early twenties. Or an inexperienced devilish whore in her mid to late twenties.
Westernized men routinely get eaten alive by Asian chicks, but expats don’t remain westernized. We grow out of that infantile stage, and become men.
Dave from Hawaii….same post dude…almost!
Bhetti
I wouldn’t dream of calling in the police on you *shudder* for anything like slapping me or much of anything at all.
Perfection darlin.
Dave –
I’ve a question for you. Was your wife, during your period of beta-tude, constantly angry and berating about a multitude of issues?
If so, how did you handle and make the switch? I’m in a somewhat similar situation, and have trouble dealing with some of the outbursts. That is, its extremely hard for me to keep a cool head at times.
Mr.M…if you switch, she’ll ask for a divorce.
I’m not married. haha, most likely never will be. Just working on my LTR game…
Re: Dave from Hawaii
Given what you wrote about Lady Raine and presuming that it’s true, why would should a beta male get involved and drive himself crazy with such behaviour? Your reasoning is partially why I don’t bother with relationships and why I promote such ideologies here. Why do the men here want to punish beta males for with women who are incapable of loving them.
wow–
That’s not what Dave from Hawaii has repeatedly and persuasively reported, often in a lot of detail. Just the opposite. He said it felt like they were headed for divorce before he learned realtionship game by reading PUA books and sites. But that afterwards he turned it all around.
He never let his wife know that he’d studied game. He was making change as he learned so it wasn’t all at once.
He’s become the oracle of married relationship game on the board, with PA also adding.
I predict 100 comments for this post.
Roissy is playing us like a violin.
Default are you there sweetie
Mr. M – it depends a lot on the woman. A lot of them have borderline personality disorder (such as Welmer’s ex), in which case their bitchiness is incurable. In that case you’ll need to replace her.
Otherwise, just imagine she is an unrully pet dog that you aquired after it’s already past it’s puppy stage. Treat her exactly like a pet dog. Kindly, but brook no disobedience, and escalate punishments as much as required to show that you are the head of the household, not the dog.
If she’s the freaky-flipped-out emotional kind, sometimes it works better to ignore her at that time, and later in an oblique way mention that her wack behaviour is lame. That’s for cases where the woman finds critisism impossible to face directly.
Don’t be afraid of showing anger. Your emotional space is sacred, and no one is to piss on it.
Lady raine Actually I believe very much in love and that is why I refuse to marry for any reason other than being totally in love with the person
You know I’ve “beefed” with many women/ girls for this very statement. So you gamble with your health, let some guy bust a raw one in you thereby knocking you up yet marriage is this sacred institution??? Why aren’t children sacred too??? Why do so many women fail to put up these same types of rules and romantic delusions blah blah blah when it comes to the kind of man who they allow to knock them up???
I just wouldn’t do it unless I truly felt like I couldn’t live without the person’s companionship
To an extent, it can be argued that male children can’t live without a healthy father if their lives.
Dave is certainly knowing wrote The men society is trampling upon still have the same needs (and oversexed media has done nothing to discourage it).
I2I dave I2I .
@nonesuch- if women were as uncaring as men, you would really have something to cry about then. Actually, the two genders would probably have real wars.
Lurker Suddenly lesbians will disappear and those career-minded harpies will rediscover their love of housework for family farmers, auto repair men, and the like
Well lady Raine isn’t against the blue color men. She said her son’s father was a mechanic. Lurker, don’t fool yourself, lesbians won’t disappear, they will y get it on at their bridge parties while your out working hard..
If she’s a control freak she will sense losing control and end the relationship.
@PA no beef buddie, you are my e-homie. It’s just that I notice you become protective of Polish women(and you should be) when the American men write that they want to go to Poland and steel the 9-10’s. I was just pointing out how men are protective of their women esp those who are the “best”.
I agree with DFH’s take on L.R.
“Yeah…we know what problem that was – coming home to a shrill, shrieking, never-satisfied, hyper-critical bitch who NEVER SHUTS UP.”
This is most women in a marriage.
Never marry!
xsplat -
I’ve been doing a much better job at staying strong on whatever, regardless of issue. My problem is, trying to stem those issues from even arising.
Its great to be able to not back down regardless, but at the end of the day I could do better, with regards to my own mental state, without having to butt heads with her.
The rare case of the heterosexual woman who is such the control freak that she doesn’t want to be dominated is the absolute worst possible manifestation of female.
So there is nothing of value to lose by becoming dominant.
Make her life a living hell, if you have to. Either she’ll change, or she’ll leave. Those are the only options that allow for quality of life.
Chic Noir–
If a wife cheats a man should have the right to go postal within wide latitude (Bhetti even talks about a severe beating working well in Arab culture, which attracts me) and she should FEAR what he will do, both physically and economically — because that’s what the law should once again allow in those circumstances and determine in that kind of clear female fault divorce.
Yes sir sister.
I want FEAR in those circumstances.
And love and respect day to day and other ones.
@default- I’m not into violence so I wouldn’t knowingly slap you or any man unless I was out of mind. I’m afraid of unleashing the cave man that lurks inside of every man that even thousands of years of civilization hasn’t destroyed.
lurker
chic, for once, I agree with you
Strange but true this is the second or third time you’ve agreed with me.
maurice- women choose not to get married in the same numbers as before because their equal/higher social status makes it almost impossible for them to “marry up” to a man of higher status or power
Maurice, there are women who don’t want to marry any man, neither high status or low staus .These women aren’t all lesbians either. They have various reason for wanting to remain single. check out the Delany sisters.
tupac That was Nicole’s/Kthula’s schtick. She (aptly) pointed out that many women are mercenary whores after money.
Take out money & + female beauty & poon, then you have men.
Lurker American-born Blacks, however, have continually shown their resistance to the American way
Do you mind listing some examples.
demand being taken care of while contributing little
Most American blacks work Lurker.
The sky is falling, eh? I’d actually say that this is the best time to be alive (in the first world at least). Disease, crime, and infant mortality are all quite low and average life span and standards of living are all quite high. I don’t know why people pine for the 50’s. I like modern technology like the internet and cell phones.
Besides the 50’s were an anomaly. America emerged from WWII unscathed while our competitors lost many men and a hell of lot of infrastructure. Hell, some of them were determined to pursue wrongheaded policies that would further set them back, e.g. China and its cultural revolution.
As for extrapolating trends to predict what things will be like many years into the future, HA! Things change friends.
DA:
Given what you wrote about Lady Raine and presuming that it’s true, why would should a beta male get involved and drive himself crazy with such behaviour? Your reasoning is partially why I don’t bother with relationships and why I promote such ideologies here. Why do the men here want to punish beta males for with women who are incapable of loving them.
David, unlike your impotent, flaccid, responsibility-shirking soul, most men would rather learn how to manage their life-situations to their betterment (even if it involves some effort) than just abdicate wholesale.
Just to pass along an interesting link on what makes people happy.
Just some food for thought, since people on this blog seem overly concerned about woman as a source of happiness or dissatisfaction. I mean, what if “women” don’t make a difference? What if it comes down to a particular human making you happy, not some archtype?
Read to the end to see the kind of life the chief investigator of the study built for himself.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200906/happiness
There is a lot of talk that woman’s financial independence makes them more difficult for men. Well, that goes both ways. Just make yourself independent of women, too. I mean, you don’t need one to cook for you, and certainly you don’t need her for sex, which is just a commodity, bought and sold like pig bellies and wheat futures. And which now is going for bargain prices.
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/redlight-district-hit-as-tourists-become-tightfisted-20090601-bsi8.html
So, relax, guys. The fact is, getting married, or getting a steady girl, makes you dependent on a particular woman, and all her whims and idiosyncrocies. You can take them or leave them.
Isn’t that what being a real alpha is all about? Having real choices?
M
If she butts heads with you, the battles is already lost. She feels she has an equal right to an opinion, and a right to express such opinions through quarrel. Bad.
Start with variations of “shut the fuck up” Some that I routinely use:
You talk to much.
Shhh.
Don’t talk to me while I’m eating.
Don’t talk to me when I’m watching a movie.
- place fingers to her lips, and pinch them closed
shut the fuck up, woman!
Don’t talk.
Stop talking.
If you can’t get her to shut the fuck up, all is lost. She’s hopeless, as is any dominance over her.
Mr. M – Yep. Argumentative, bitchy, nagging. Always nagging. And frigid.
The more I tried to supplicate her…to plead with her…to beg her “why do you have to be so angry? Can’t we just get along? Is this really that big of a deal? Look, I’m sorry….”
Oh yes, I was ALWAYS apologizing. Oh, and I usually begged for sex.
I would try to use logic and reason to deal with her emotional state. Never worked. Ever.
In other words, I was letting her emotional state dictate my response. I was trying to appease her mood.
After reading up on game, I gained insight into the basic, biological motivations of females. I quickly realized that I was acting beta, and she was no longer attracted to me…making her angrier and angrier by the day because she couldn’t stand the fact that she was married to and living with a spineless, grovelling chump always searching for appeasement and begging for sex.
Once I was conscious of that dynamic…I became conscientious about how I began acting around her.
For a recent an example of that change of mindset I’m talking about:
Just the other night, I called her to let her know I was coming home so she could time dinner to be ready when I got home.
I was dead tired from my martial arts training that day (I was doing full contact kickboxing training, very rigorous)…and I stopped at my friends house at around 5:00pm to drop something off that I had borrowed from them and have a quick drink before heading home.
After one drink, I lay down on my friend’s couch for a moment…and the next thing I know, it’s 2:30am in the morning.
I drove home, and got into bed. I thought she was asleep…but she promptly said in a real bitchy tone “Where you having fun tonight?!?!”
I simply said “I fell asleep on _____’s couch. I’m tired, good night, dear.”
And promptly rolled over and went to sleep. I don’t even remember what she said to me in response.
The “old” me would have been begging her for forgiveness and apologizing profusely.
She was still upset the next morning…so I let her be upset. She tried to argue with me about it, and I would just shrug, and go start cooking breakfast. She would say something pointed, and I would change the subject.
When she kept pushing me, I just told her straight up – I was dead tired, I lay down for a moment and literally passed out form exhaustion. What is their to apologize for? I’m going to eat breakfast now and enjoy the beautiful morning…care to join me?”
She may have grumbled a bit more, but in the end, we ended up having a nice breakfast, and the topic was dead…other than the occasional, off-hand joke from her about how “You don’t come home anymore,” over the next few days…to which I would either ignore it, change the subject or “agree and amplify” to the point of absurdity.
“Of course dear, don’t you know us pimp daddies have a lot of hoes that take up all our time!”
The old, beta me would have been banished to the couch, subjected to a few days of silent treatment and begging for her forgiveness…only making it worse and worse the more I would grovel and beg.
DA-the problem with your reasoning is that you’ve accepted the idea that your beta behavior is out of your control, and that you could never be in a relationship because your inherent beta-ness will automatically doom you. You don’t HAVE to give in to your beta impulses. But hey, I know you’re not asking me for advice, you’re just justifying your chosen path of O m e g a-tude
Perhaps all is lost, then. I’m well aware she’s lacking of lot of tact, as are her friends with their bf’s, too.
A.J Travis, forgive me for misspelling your name. I did the very same thing to commenter Clarence last night. I may forget your name but I won’t forget you.
default, thats^^not flirting btw.
Mr. M If so, how did you handle and make the switch? I’m in a somewhat similar situation, and have trouble dealing with some of the outbursts. That is, its extremely hard for me to keep a cool head at times
I’m not Dave but let me offer some advice. Run like hell if you don’t have any children with her. Why is she so important? Can’t you find another woman who is as good if not better than she? Why stay around and take crap from people you don’t have a link to. The next time she berates you, say “that’s it, I’m done” proceed to walk out the door. Don’t return her calls and call the cops if she comes by your place.
FWIW I don’t read Lady Rain’s posts. Too much drama.
I do agree that the country would be better off if women did not vote. The main problems I see are this:
(1) Women tend to choose short term compassion over long term unintended consequences, for example generous welfare benefits.
(2) Women tend to vote for the candidate who is more sexually attractive.
(3) Women are more likely to get sucked into identity politics, i.e. supporting a policy which they perceive to be favorable to women, even if that policy is detrimental to the country as a whole.
This bears repeating every few days :
The 4 factors that will swing the pendulum back the other way even faster and further than the tits of a 55-year-old feminist :
1) Whichever innovation happens first, software (3-D/VR/Hologram sex) or hardware (sexbots), all women 7 and below are in deep trouble. Those who claim that a virtual woman cannot replace a real woman must also account for the fact that the artificial woman is a 10/10+, while the world of real women is filled with 5s and 6s.
Modern feminism is a byproduct of inventions by BETA MALES (vaccuum cleaner, dishwasher, washer/dryer, microwave, etc.) Women’s actions had nothing to do with it – they are fully governed by the inventions of men. Beta males will invent the devices that correct the bubble of feminism.
2) Disenfranchised men (whether through their place on the skill ladder or via the divorce court machinery) WILL do what has always happened in eras past : they will band together and start taking things by force, usually from single women.
Marriage used to offer a protection of some sort, which has been forgotten in our modern prosperity. Wait until that becomes a factor again.
3) More PUAs. The motto is “More Cads, less Dads”.
4) More Islamic inroads into the West. It won’t be long before Muslims begin to clash hard with the feminists and faggots.
All 4 of these in tandem spell deep trouble for feminists. Ironically, studies show that women in America are unhappier than ever, while women in traditionally male-run societies are happier.
Leftists/feminists/faggots are so arrogant, that they think they can re-write some basic biological truths, whether through feminism/misandry, shoving flamboyant faggotism into everyone’s face, weirder and weirder expansions of affirmative action, etc.
You can fool mother nature for a while, but she always whacks you back hard in the end.
David from Hawaii: I’m convinced abdicating religious values — or whatever led to that — has resulted in problems as well. I’m biased, but everyone else seems to be seeing this quite clearly as well.
Doug:
I was speaking about it more in the context of therapy. If a person — male or female — is not acting within social expectations of their psychological behaviour. I’m wouldn’t say it’s universally true but they can expect an escalation of violence until they stop. In those societies, it’d still be harsher on the men. The unacknowledged truth is it probably works. A painful kind of work, but it works, as ‘therapy’.
Maybe China (at least modern China) has it right.
A free-market dictatorship run by a council of smart, right-wing people, is perhaps better than a democracy where women vote, resulting in idiots like Pelosi, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, etc. kept in office for decades, with no accountability.
China may have realized that voting = women voting = the destruction of a sustainable society.
Dave –
Hmm…I need to ask then…how do you avoid from being baited into her emotional state?
That is, the following morning she’s obviously not being a nice, loving, tactful wife when arguing why you never came home. I’m sure she’s dropping snide remarks and/or elevating the tone. Shaming perhaps.
I know I respond to my gf’s anger in kind, and at that point I know I could have done better. The end result is okay, since I never back down and supplicate, but I personally would prefer avoiding dramatic scenes.
One more point about “LTR GAME.”
It’s conventional wisdom that the number one cause of relationships breaking up is “financial” issues.
We have never had a tougher time financially than these past 6 months. In a B2B sales-based job, I haven’t had a commission since last November.
Our income has literally been cut in half. I’m struggling to make ends meet harder than when I was a a full time, 100% self-supporting student in college. I’m actually seriously considering bankruptcy – and I have never been late or missed a credit payment my entire adult life up ’til now.
Yet, we haven’t fought once over the current mess we are in.
We used to fight about money all the time…when I was a beta chump.
IF you are married or in a LTR, don’t be a beta.
My theory is that the sexual dynamics of your relationship, and her respect and attraction for you, is literally the unseen, hidden root behind most every other problem you’re having.
China, of course, has to lift the stupid one-child rule. That is tilted their sex ratio to a degree that they will have problems far worse than anything in America.
But it is still not too late for them to reduce the disaster, if they act immediately.
LR: So you’ve backed away from saying that being a loving provider to your wife is equivalent to taking advantage of them to saying it’s just how the world works and someone getting betrayed and scammed is the lifestyle he chose. I guess you’re improving.
But if you think betaness is unattactive and want to shrug your shoulder when one gets taken advantage of, you ought not to be such a damn hypocrite and scream against the blog which educates men about the consequences of that choice.
PA/xsplat: it’s true that if you marry a foreigner there is the risk that she might cheat or turn out to be bad. But that same risk exists with dating any woman. This blog is full of stories of people who’ve been cheated on/cuckolded/abused/raped in divorce court by an American women. If you believe the statistics though, marriages between Americans and foreigners end up in divorce less often than women from other cultures.
It’s not possible to go into the dating world without any risk or without any danger of being manipulated by a woman. Even if you’re an Alpha, your woman could always find another bigger alpha or just someone who struck her fancy that day.
The only way to not get taken advantage of by a woman and be completely safe is to live like David Alexandar and sit home by your computer masturbating to 20 zillion GB of porn.
But, not all of us are satisfied with just getting hugs from non-date girlfriend.
Dave from Hawaii:
Still, the whiskey school would assume you’d scream at her for being such an insolent bitch, then smack her one. Or some such. Jerk Game, does it really work?
Roissy wrote :
Now I will tell you how to save America from this fate. The answer will surprise some of you:
More PUAs.
Partly true. The full answer is :
More PUAs AND More Muslims.
Squeeze them from both ends, I say. More PUAs at the top, plus disenfranchised lesser Betas/Omegas being attracted to Islam = the rapid end of feminism.
Doug, if you rely on fear you are nothing but a pathetic shadow of a man. In other words, fuck you, useless prick.
Mr. M – here is a blog post I wrote about three years ago, titled How To Be In Relashionship
http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/how-to-be-in-relationship/
It’s a much mushier attitude than I now profess – but essentially the same. Basically, I advocate acting like a parent, or animal trainer, in relashionship to women.
If I’ve changed it’s that I’m even more comfortable with even more dominance, and value that a good choice to begin with is essential – so letting a girl go and stepping back into the game is just one movement in the dance. A good changeup is now and then the only way forward. Stasis is going backwards.
xsplat –
thanks, def read up on this later tonight and hopefully get some insights.
chic noir
No.
:X
Mr M.
This is where I will cite our host, and his invaluable “16 commandments of poon.”
In fact, reading that line, the first time I found this blog, that put the so-called “capstone” on my personal transformation after beginning to change my behavior via awareness of game.
Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest.
I literally have repeated this line in my mind when she’s upset and angry…
It’s not just what you say, but how you say it. Your body language. Your facial expressions. Your stance.
You have to say “It’s no big deal” and you have to SHOW it.
When she finds that her emotional outbursts and anger cannot manipulate me into being submissive to her…she no longer finds any use in remaining angry.
I can’t tell you a sure fire way to “win” in any situation…but the best way I can put it is when she’s upset, you can only control yourself and how you act.
When my entire attitude was “Please don’t be mad! I just want us to get along,” it just made her more mad.
Now, through my calm actions and demeanor and body language, I simply convey the attitude of “Your mad? Big deal. Be upset if you want to, I’M going to be enjoying my life.”
Oh, and I do have to say…my wife was never a nagging bitch when we were dating, nor during the first couple of years of marriage. I literally sank into too comfortable, too familiar, too predictable and too Beta.
Because once I stopped acting Beta, she stopped acting bitchy.
@thursday
Way up the thread: “Ethnic Mexicans have been in the U.S. as long as any of those groups you mentioned and they never showed any sign of assimilating, even before multiculturalism and lax immigration enforcement.”
Not exactly true; see, for example Raul Castro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raul_Hector_Castro) (former Governor of Arizona, not current President of Cuba). Mexicans were never going to be country club WASPs, but to say that they “never showed any sign of assimilating” is way off the mark. The multi-culti cult put an end to that, unfortunately.
Watch this VR demo from Microsoft.
While their demo of course has to be Rated G, the potential for sexual applications is high :
If this doesn’t impress you, you aren’t paying attention.
David: You’re quite mistaken there. There’s definitely no reliance and he’s the last man to do that. But it’s an expectation that should probably be there in terms of cheating.
Historically, God helped supply this as well as society.
Your visceral, extreme reaction to that when talking about women is kind of awesome, though. Nurture that fighting spirit, do.
David: Well, lots of different kinds of fear. Can’t imagine a woman not fearing losing him or hurting him in any way. More because she adores him, though.
Yeah, I’m positive you can use “Jerk” game in a LTR – but in my personal case, I use it sparingly.
One time I made her late for a flight to Vegas because we were at a friend’s party. She started SCREAMING at me in the car, because it really was my fault that she missed her flight to go visit her family. She went ballistic. Hysterical. Screaming and crying, because she wasn’t going to get there in time for her Mother’s birthday.
The one and only time I ever screamed back at her. I looked right at her and screamed “SHUT THE FUCK UP! IT’S HAPPENED! YELLING AND SCREAMING IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ON THAT PLANE! IT’S FUCKING OVER!
That was the one and only time I think I have ever truly scared my wife. She jumped into the back seat of the car when I yelled at her. She told me later that she thought I was going to hit her ’cause I looked so mad. In 12 years, that’s gotta be the only time I ever let my anger out like that. I’m generally very low-key and mellow…I got a long fuse.
It’s very interesting to note after the long, quiet ride home…she actually got turned on by my little show of aggression. heh.
DA:
Doug, if you rely on fear you are nothing but a pathetic shadow of a man. In other words, fuck you, useless prick.
BLACK RAGE!!!! BLACK RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!
chic noir
I am not sure how you would unknowingly slap me.
Because we live in a largely peaceful age a lot of women do not understand this. Inside that timid accountant is 90 pounds of fury ready to break out.
Regarding a woman slapping me:
There are very few situations where I would accept it. She gets one shot. If it happens again she is gone. If I should strike in defense and the cops are called (by her) then I am going to get my money’s worth while we wait for the boys in blue.
However I am not itching for violence. Because of my nature and the way law/society views these things I will not be the first to hit.
Dave: I wouldn’t call that jerk game. I do that all the ti–
wait.
Heh. For me, I would call it that. I haven not ever before…or since, ever told my wife to shut the fuck up.”
Haven’t had to.
Mr. M
What he did was learn game. The parts of game that are relevant for relationships, rather than pickup. Though there’s a lot of overlap, other than initial approach lines.
His comments, especially the best ones for what you want, are mostly within the last three or four months. Not much in the last month actually, so say three months starting in February. (Maybe Jan but your beginning Feb.) If your serious about your marriage (i.e. your life, esp. if you have kids) you’d go back to Feb 1 and do a find on every “Dave from Hawaii” (or just Hawaii should do it) from then through April). He doesn’t comment all that much except on game and marriage. Well sometimes feminism and the pussification of men, which will also be good for you to read.
So are you serious or not?
As for what to do when your woman is raging, the image to have is that you need to be the calm and strong rock that she sometimes dashes like turbulent seas up against. DO NOT get angry at her. Don’t argue with her when she’s being like that. Say you’ll talk about it when she’s calmer. She’ll proably try to goad you into drama and then act morally superior about any anger on your part while any on hers is completely justified or inconsequential or didn’t happen.
But do condescend to her a little, or sometimes a lot, when she’s being like that, regardless of how more furious that makes her. I mean by being calming and going ssssh, or there there, etc.
When she’s being like that also think of yourself as a loving and somewhat indulgent father dealing with a 13yr old girl who actually loves and respects you (pretend at first as necessary) but is throwing a tantrum. Not a father who completely spoils but rather is firm in his values and won’t let her get away with too much, but will love and forgive her regardless (short of adultery, etc.). You’ll be amazed at how well this will work after a few times of doing it well. You really will.
Then learn playful teasing (“negging”), demonstrating value, getting her to qualify herself, giving her emotional rollercoaster rides, and so on. Rarely apologize unless you’re clearly in the wrong and she isn’t equally, and then do it once without repeating if she doesn’t soften her anger / moral dudgeon. Just tough it out without engagement. Don’t seek her approval. Make her seek yours. Then she’ll give you hers spontaneously.
Make her chase you. Don’t be eager to make everything emotionally right all the time. But act as if nothings wrong when it really isn’t, as opposed to giving credence to her absurd peeves and irritations. That’s not to say be completely heedless of things that do bother her. Just don’t be all apologetic but fairly evaluate whether the change she wants is reasonable, and if it is then do it. Otherwise don’t and tell her it’s unreasonable. Your wife is NOT always right, and even when she is, be sparing in apology, but rather act to rectify.
@default- then we would have a peaceful relationsip.
Chic noir begs all of you for one small favor
Please please pretty please
Don’t become bitter. Nothing makes women run faster than a bitter man.
How’s this for a compromise on the voting thing:
Everybody gets to vote, but the vote is broken down by active participation in the military, thus demonstrating a willingness to kill and die for the country. So if its 85% men, 15% women, then the men’s vote automatically counts as 85% of the total votes.
Nothing makes a man bitter faster than a bad woman.
chic noir
*gentle peaceful smile*
Dave from Hawaii, chic noir
said Dave:
However, chic has a point. A bitter man can make a bad woman.
Nothing makes women run faster than a bitter man.
You meant an ‘e’ where you put an ‘i’.
..a ‘better’ man.
<blockquote.Dave from Hawaii
Heh. For me, I would call it that. I haven not ever before…or since, ever told my wife to shut the fuck up.”
Haven’t had to.
Oh, you don’t know what you’re missing. Say it with humor and irony, a little smirk, and a twinkle in your eye. Be mischeavous about it. Your mouth will love the taste of it as you command “shut the fuck up, woman!”
She’ll get the joke – but the subtext will be laid out. You didn’t offend, but the subtext put you in a dominant position.
Nearly everything I say is some variation of this. Fun, flirty, and with subtexts that cement my position.
Dave on iPod=
Fear is my last bastion re; a wife cheating on me. I’ve never had my ex wife or any woman who’s lived with me (and there’ve been a number) cheat on me.
But your fucking right I want her to fear me if she cheats on me. Mostly what I might do re: leaving her, and economically when I do. But also in physically potentially.
(I’m not sure I’d actually do anything physically but I sure as fuck think I should have the right to. Fuck fucking anglosphere feminism.)
Dave hiding behind his iPod–
Oh and David Alexander – you’re a siniviling little coward of a pathetic limp dicked feminist lickspittle.
Forever omega. Lower omega at that.
Be proud.
Dave from Hawaii knocks it out of the park with his assessment of Lady Raine – and then follows up with excellent advice on LTR game. A stellar performance!
Lady Rain –
I’m sure you did not just pick out some random dude in the street to have a kid with. You picked carefully. It had considerable thought to it. It did not just “happen” in the age of easy contraception and abortion. You chose the guy you chose. You had to choose him every step of the way.
And he didn’t just “turn evil” and start smacking the woman bearing the mother of his child around. He was always like that.
This btw is the same attitude you use towards betas who are stupid enough to get married.
You, by your own admission, prefer aggressive, young, and tattooed types. What happens when most women prefer that type of man? Your son can only get a woman if is what they want. If enough women are like you, and your son is “beta” then he’s a loser and won’t get a girlfriend.
It doesn’t MATTER what you think. What matters is what WOMEN CONSIDERING YOUR SON WILL THINK, when he’s 15, 25, and 35. If they’re like you, he DOES have two choices: be a grade A jerk and get sex/love, or be a “nice guy” and be alone. That’s his choices. Unless suddenly women his age (and younger) act the complete opposite of yourself around and with men.
BTW: I cite Lady Raine for how self-deceptive and justifying women can be wrt how women select men (i.e. Alpha jerks). Here she’s got a direct investment, her son, in having women choose more beta guys (odds are her son will be beta, most men are). She will wonder “why the heck can’t my son get a date?” or (less likely) “why is he an abusive A-hole?” When her own choices write that out large. [Look at how she excuses the guy still -- Alphas can get away with any A-hole behavior like smacking the pregnant with their son woman around, and women will excuse it.]
Chic: Lady Raine is simply most women. Most women would want a kid by an “Alpha” who is dominant, raise the kid herself, on her own, and marry only if she’s in “love” which means a constant state of infatuation. The nuclear family, the idea that marriage is as much for kids and family as it is romantic personal fulfillment with rainbows and unicorns, is dead.
Doug — If you’ve been with more than a few woman, at least one has cheated on you. Guaranteed.
If the threat of violence is needed to maintain non-cheating, the relationship is not worth having in the first place.
To be fair, Tarl, Mr. M was asking all the leading questions.
I just cut to the chase.
Whiskey–
It’s attitudes like these that have helped along the ruin of feminist legislation.
It focuses her mind Whiskey. Helps her resist temptation.
You yourself then turn around and say I’ve had women I’ve lived with that I was sure hadn’t cheated on me, actually have done so. You make no sense. You’re wrong about that, I’m 98% sure, and I’m no chump and not without suspicions when there’s reason.
However I HAVE had gf’s cheat on me. Two of them. Just not living with me ones. I’ve had other fuck buddy or non exclusive or open type things but they don’t count.
Dave from Hawaii: No offense, but your wife sounds like a massive bitch. Forget being worried about her leaving you, how did you not leave her after 10 years of this treatment?
A woman wont have sex with a man she doesn’t respect and will cheat on him is she ever loses respect. IIRC Nichole mentioned in reply to a question of mine that she considered respect to be being treated appropriately to her place in the culture in which she lived. Status in other words. I disagree. Respect is Fear Lite. For a woman to respect a man she has on some level to fear him, if not what he will do then what he could do if provoked.
Debbi Harry, singer for Blondie, mentioned in an interview that she once had an opportunity to cheat on her boyfriend with Mick Jagger but didn’t because she respected her boyfriend too much. He was the brains of the band, got her off of drugs and from appearances the stronger one emotionally. They eventually broke up but when he had a serious illness she put her career on hold and devoted herself to nursing him back to health. Not to bad for a NY hipster celebrity. Not too bad looking in her prime either.
As I said ASDF, she WAS a massive bitch…when I was acting like a massive beta chump.
I’ve come to realize, it literally and figuratively was my fault.
I never understood that in being a placating, supplicating, spineless sycophant that left all the decision making and leadership decisions up to her, I was FAILING to act like a man.
And even if she didn’t consciously think it, I now know she was simply upset and disgusted with how I was acting. It was more of a subconscious thing.
As PUA’s always say, never listen to what a woman says, but what she does to see how they think.
Once I stopped acting like a Beta, she literally stopped being a bitch. We have a better relationship now than when we were young, dumb and infatuated.
And it’s only because I learned what it means to be a man. Because if the man does not do his part, your wife or your girlfriend simply cannot or will not do her’s.
Your masculinity will inspire her femininity.
Your Beta-Chumpi-ness will inspire her bitchiness.
xsplat–
Well I’d say sort of but not exactly.
First of all act the way Dave from Hawaii, then I without having read him here first, said to be.
Then act dominant, usually in a playful, but serious about it, way. You’ve described some of that. Our styles are different but they overlap. Also you’re in a different environment. That mostly affects how one begins.
If she considers your acting dominant, sometimes very dominant, a living hell, and won’t change, then as you say good riddance. (Though you should have figured this out in very early days. But hey we all start somewhere.)
Dave from Hawaii
To be fair to betas though DfH, particularly gen Y ones with who’ve been raised under pervasive feminism their whole lives if they’re white and especially if college bound, they’ve got the whole of mainstream culture and education, almost, working against their manning up.
So it’s something of an uphill battle for many. But it can be done, as you illustrate.
In some ways maybe it’s easy though. I.e. if betas do thoroughly de program, maybe it isn’t that hard to be a relative alpha or anyway lesser alpha among gen Y age cohorts these days, given the competition.
Lady Raine: “Yes, I can see how my being independent is highly offensive to you.”
Yeah, we’ll see how “independent” you are able to be once the Hispanics take over the USA.
Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman
Damned glad to meet ya!
More PUAs? not going to happen. The absolute dedication and persistence coupled with the emotional PAIN you have to go through to get good at this is simply beyond most beta boys.
I’m currently enrolled in BradP’s ( Number 1 PUA in the world) 30/30 club and the reality of the task ahead of me is enormous. Going out infield everyday and practising game is like a mirror constantly reflecting back at you every personality defect you have. Obviously the rewards at the end of the journey when you finally internalise everything you’ve learnt is worth it but most PUAs never reach that nirvana, most of them give up; another victim of a bitchy HB10.
Oh, and ASDF – 10 years is a long time.
I certainly wasn’t a Beta Chump when we first met, and even in the first couple of years of marriage.
It was over time that I got too comfortable. I took too much for granted. I became very complacent. Lazy. Rather than make the choices, I just wanted to go along to get along, and assumed that she wanted the same thing.
When she’d get upset, I would try to “buy” her complacency by kissing her ass.
Looking back on it…I know I cannot fault her for being a bitch. She had every right to be upset with being married to a wimp.
Funny thing is, I’m no “wimp” when it comes to dealing with other people. I’ve been training martial arts for half my life, I’ve had my share of street fights, worked as a bouncer when I was in college, and have had a few amateur full contact kickboxing matches. I’ve knocked guys out and I’ve been knocked out.
I once fought 3 guys at once in a bar parking lot…but than I’d come home and let my wife walk all over me, and cede all authority to her. I lived in literal FEAR of her disapproval and anger.
And she did not like it, one bit.
I was certainly not the guy she initially married.
“Game” just gave me the wake up call I so badly needed.
It was literally like the Matrix…I took the red pill and saw the matrix for what it was – the illusion of politically correct gender roles in stark contrast to the actual reality.
If you live your life according to the blue pill takers, the SWPL mentality…the matrix WILL literally suck your life force from you.
Take the red pill, and see just how far the rabbit hole goes.
Re: betas getting laid
I’m a middling beta who is not totally unattractive to women. But I was never great at relationships, and I find it hard to find a girlfriend now. Girls I meet in bars are flaky – phone numbers are given out and then the phone is never answered. Messages are not returned. Law school doesn’t have that many relationship-quality girls, and the ones that are there, 98% of the time, already have boyfriends. I started my internship today. One 8 and one 7 are in my group. Both have long-term boyfriends. Fuck.
Many of my friends, however, have girlfriends. These guys are probably mostly middling to greater betas. Their girlfriends are attractive. Unfortunately, this means there aren’t a group of guys for me to hit on girls with, because they are often with their girlfriends. So it’s roadblocks on every side. Because I’m not horrible looking, I think it’s actually easier for me to get laid than to get a girlfriend. And I’d kind of like the girlfriend, for social proof if nothing else.
But the fact that SO MANY attractive women have “boyfriends” is killing me.
@Dave in Hawaii
“I never understood that in being a placating, supplicating, spineless sycophant that left all the decision making and leadership decisions up to her, I was FAILING to act like a man.”
I like a man who’ll take ownership of his part – kudos. My friends who are unhappily married have often said out loud they wish their men would take the reigns and act like men. I’m still not convinced of the whole alpha/beta thing , but I do think we like men who act like men. Isn’t that alone enough to convince men to man up? Or is Game really about teaching men what real men look like. Curious.
Jack, just because they are taken doesn’t mean you can’t use the opportunity to “practice” on them.
Take your gaming strategies and try to start using them on the ladies in your group…even if you’re one of those guys that strictly considers it taboo to take another man’s woman…nothing wrong with a little bit of flirting with attractive women to build your confidence and experience.
Hell, I ‘game’ all of the women in my life, to one extent or the other. The negs. The backhanded compliments. Playful teasing. Even a little edgy sexual inuendo in a playful way.
Females love an “entertaining guy.” And a guy with game is most female’s favorite entertainment.
Bhetti-
“A.J. Travis: I’m pretty sure chic noir doesn’t do that on purpose and a knowledgeable person would assume dyslexia, especially since she has constant difficulty with new names.”
I don’t assume anything. If she tells me she has some sort of disability where she can’t copy and paste things on her computer, or some such, I will apologize to her. If instead, she was just too bored or ‘busy’ to get it right (either time) then both of you can go to hell.
It is laughable that at one minute you are attempting to chastise me for what you perceive as “psycopathic” nature, then a few posts later you are encouraging Dave to “Nurture that fighting spirit” and telling him how “Awesome” his “visceral, extreme reaction” is.
Proving once again that women love aggressiveness, but only from alphas, of course.
Get this and get it quick Roissy’s girls, this revolution is not for you, and women like you are not going to like the outcome no matter who wins.
In short, I am not trying to recruit you, or the alpha men who enable you. It’s the Beta guys you have all collectively fucked over that I want, and you’re attitude and behavior towards them is all the recruiting tool I need.
If you don’t want to get run over in the process, stay the hell out of the way.
A partitioning of the USA along ethnic/racial lines would solve most of America’s problems – this would had the added benefit of causing most non-Whites in America to slowly wither away since they depend so heavily on welfare pilfered from the tax money of White workers.
Jack –
Do you have any sense of whether any or many of them cheat on their boyfriends sometimes?
Don’t consider girls with boyfriends that aren’t your buddies (just knowing them doesn’t count) as being off limits. They aren’t married or living together.
Lots of times girls will use having a boyfriend as a shield or shit test to easily fend off weaker flirt attempts. Sometimes they have one but marginally, i.e they’ve lost much interest or there are problems but don’t want to actively search or do the bar/club scene without him. Often they’re ultimately willing to be scooped away.
The beta-izing of manhood all over the western hemisphere is truly an epidemic. A plague.
You can call it the crowning achievement of the feminists movement. A near complete societal emasculation.
Guys, just practice and hone your skills in Game. All this fall of america shit is very plausible, but just get out there in the field and man up to this anyway.
When the shit does hit the fan, I’ll be crashing at sara I place watching fight club. No condom.
Good times are sure to come.
Whiskey said:
My experience was quite the opposite. I went to Rolla in the 1990s. It is an engineering school. ONLY an engineering school. See where this is going?
3 boys for every 1 girl attending. They claimed. I believe their ‘ratio’ to be lies, nothing but lies. The number of women seemed MUCH less than that.
I didn’t have anything like Game back then, just decent looks, force-of-personality, and lack of neediness.
And I needed that non-neediness, oh yes I did.
For what it’s worth, Dave from Hawaii nails what I feel is the only, real productive use of game, to help a man be a man and have successful long-term relationships with women. Meaning, ultimately a good marriage.
But living the PUA lifestyle, is a bastardization of what being a real man is. It actually, in my opinion, makes men into a caricature of a real man — A fantasy creation that changes as quickly as women’s taste in fashion, because it is dreamt up by the same people — women.
The ultimate ‘power’ of the PUA, is that they know how to give women what they all secretly crave: sex with rockstar-assholes.
And that has nothing to do with being a real man.
I see I was paged!
My opinion of female promiscuity stands in opposition to what lots of so-called scientists promote.
The female of our species when not encumbered by that disastrous invention, The Pill, are sexy, horny and available, across the spectrum. The 60% of women on The Pill that don’t have their libido crushed, are in fact, ready and available. The deeper problem is that The Pill distorts female psychology and changes their response patterns to male stimuli. So if you run perfect Game and it goes screwy for no apparent reason, it might not be you at all!
In general, my experience and observation, the more beautiful the woman the more sexually available. Now, this seems bimodal — the beautiful woman who overvalues herself in point of fact is less available. The rest use their beauty to get the sex they want and believe they deserve.
Think about it — a beautiful woman will find a man when she wants one. So the idea that she’s keeping herself hyper-guarded is a total fallacy. She’s just not sleeping with an AFC. If you saw the number of super-hot women coming thru the OB/GYN clinics for HPV treatment, belies the idea that somehow beautiful women aren’t promiscuous.
So, in Roissy’s sexual dystopia, will 5,6,7’s benefit by upping their availability. Initiate Sarcasm. Not a ghost of a chance in hellEnd Sarcasm. In the dystopia, these women have nothing to offer an alpha. I haven’t bothered with anything less than an 8 in 20 years. I’m not going to bang an available 6 or 7 when I can easily get casual sex with 8’s or 9’s. And in the dystopia the 5,6,7’s live in a fantasy world where they think they can get a better male. So their choice IS nothing or AFC. Guess what? I bet they choose their vibrators.
Lady Shameless:
You are emblematic of the repelling decay of society, which you profess to champion. You are unable to embrace a humility that was the the cornerstone of the champions of our civilization; a proud legacy that was too imperative to necessitate codification. A stunning paradox, you bask in hubris and privilege, having earned nothing but the rudiments and calling it the divine Whole. Witness the “time” and devotion you bring to yourself as evidence.
You really are what He would consider ugly. I weep for your parents who surely sleep thinking that “this is the best we could hope for;” I weep for your son who will have only a horizontal outlook, and I weep for our civilization, as we slept and allowed this to happen.
I admonish you to stop typing with your “free time” (away from your child); pick up a book that your father’s father read, or email me (or some other traditionalist) for some help on walking in some footsteps to pride yourself upon.
Or tattoo your pagan goddess of choice on your other ass cheek along with a “Denny’s” logo above your sphincter to signify “always open,” so as to finish this chapter of misery you continue to impel upon us.
@A.J. Travis
I visited your blog and read all of your entries earlier in the day. Well written. I think you’re interesting in spite of what you call your betaness. You’re angry and heck that emotion is a great motivator for action. Just be sure that you channel it in a way which will get you happier not bitterer (sp?). You’re young in man years (heh) and have, in spite of what you read here, a great chance to be happy with or without a fine woman (your choice). Not to burst a bubble but is there a strong likelihood that a beta revolution is going to happen? From what I’m reading from other posters not so much. Admirable as it is to want to make a difference and it is admirable, the energy it takes with likely frustration at the end is wasting what you have now.
Yes, giving women too much economic and political power has been a HUGE mistake.
There have hardly ever been ANY truly great female politicians or leaders (except maybe Joan D’Arc, and she was probably a dyke) – similarly, women are clearly inferior to men as businesspeople, inventors (women have invented NOTHING of note), scientists, philosophers, travelers/explorers, architects, artists, religious figures, etc. There has never been a female genius because women seem genetically incapable of being one. Women aren’t even funny either unless they are a dyke of have certain dykeish qualities.
Yup, women are inferior to men in almost every way and must be treated accordingly.
Travis –
Bhetti is right about this and you are wrong. If you can’t perceive that Chic IS a likely supporter of some changes you want, or more likely than many, you’re not very perceptive. If you think what you want doesn’t need allies you’re nuts. Not that I think what you want is very likely.
The thing to focus on are smaller and concrete steps first, like the elimination of no fault divorce re: economic consequences and capped child support or certainly capable child support by the effect of a prenup.
What’s laughable is your misreading of the situation. First the David she was advising to “nurture that fighting spirit” was David w/ an iPod, aka David Alexander, the board “woe is me in ever getting sex with women” omega, who’s lately being showing some signs of growing a pair. No alpha he.
Further, she said that to him in the same comment where she said he misread me in needing fear to keep a woman or anything close. Me who she’s become online way into, as all the regulars on here know and as her comments even today would strongly hint. I.e., she wasn’t worried about sounding disloyal to me or offending me because people know the score. She was trying to help him some despite things.
YKIR:
If for every good Munchkin there are 1000 evil Munchkin, do you want Munchkins running Congress because there are SOME good Munchkins?
Doug1-
“Don’t consider girls with boyfriends that aren’t your buddies (just knowing them doesn’t count) as being off limits. They aren’t married or living together.”
Doug1, unless you and Jack are friends, you’re telling him to go and possibly fuck YOUR girlfriend.
Think about that.
Short term benefit/long term consequences.
Any girl who has a boyfriend/husband should not be ‘clubbing’ by herself or ‘with the girls.’
If a girl tells you she has a boyfriend, keep looking, even if it’s not true. It either means she’s playing games with you and looking for an alpha asshole, or she wants to cheat.
A woman who will cheat with you, WILL cheat on you.
most men would rather learn how to manage their life-situations to their betterment (even if it involves some effort) than just abdicate wholesale
Abdication is a perfectly legimate form of management.
that you could never be in a relationship because your inherent beta-ness will automatically doom you. You don’t HAVE to give in to your beta impulses
I like being a beta, and I’m not willing to give that up for cheap sex. Plus, it’s much easier to opt out and stay at home. Hell, just look at the arguments and stuff you have to deal with in regards to your significant other despite having game.
you’re a siniviling little coward of a pathetic limp dicked feminist lickspittle
Despite being an omega, I am twice the man you’ll ever be. So go fuck off and play with the Muslim girl who’s stupid enough to fall for your crap game since you can’t get a real girl. Fucking asshat.
@You Know I’m Right
Hey! Didn’t a woman invent Spanx?
http://www.spanx.com/home/index.jsp
Every time Dave from Hawaii tells his story, some guys always inevitably say wow your wife was a bitch, why didn’t you leave her? What guys don’t see is that even if he left her and found a new woman who treated him like a king at first, if he remained a beta chump the new chick would have a 95% chance of turning into just as much of a “bitch” in 10 years as Dave’s wife did. Women are hard-wired to hate beta chumps in relationships, even if not right away but over time eventually it will happen. Too many guys think to just keep blaming the women and changing partners only to keep finding that their new women turn into total bitches too over time. If you are a beta chump, 95% of all women of value will end up treating you like crap over time. You can lie to yourself and just say oh it’s the women and not me, I’ll just remain beta but change women instead but it won’t work.
Game as a means to real manhood?
That’s an amusing thought. Game corrects only the hole in the Venusian arts. I know the PUA community sells its whole product line on the whole Inner Game and being a Better Man meme, but it’s just marketing.
My business abilities translated into Game, but the reverse doesn’t really happen. Or rather, I should say I have never seen it happen.
@chicnoir “who would mother such children. Humans are a breed of animals who can’t have children and move on after the eggs are hatched. It takes at the bare minimum 10-13 years before a child can stand on its’ own in the real world.
The single-father/single-mother would mother such a child. Other than breast-feeding I see no difference in what either party can do as a single parent. Two parents are better, but when you are going singleton, each type will have its strenths/weaknesses.
A successful professional man can easily raise a child on his own, especially if he can afford daycare (or a full-time nanny if he is really sucessful).
Dave from Hawaii
Just as I suggested earlier you have managed to make it all my fault and even refuse to believe that I left him. Well ….sorry I did. He even kept the house for about a month after I moved out “in case I wanted to come back”….which of course I never did. After he realized I wasn’t “coming back” that’s when he said “well he’s your problem then…if you won’t be with me, then figure out a way to take care of him by yourself”. So I did.
You also accuse me of keeping him from his child. There is no court order of any kind preventing him from seeing his child. I never terminated his paternal rights, and it’s not like he’s hiding from child support, because I didn’t file for any. I think its’ funny you live in a world where “deadbeat dads” don’t exist.
Right…. he’s the victim here. He wanted a child, wanted to live with me, wanted to be married. Somehow he had NO IDEA what a horribe harpie I was (and yet you’d call me stupid for not knowing what kind of guy he was so we’ll use your own logic).
Everything you stated shows that if a woman shows ANY displeasure in a man it’s HER fault if he acts like a child, hits a pregnant woman, and almost knocks his own son out of my arms???
There was no way I could bitch at him all the time because he worked all the time and I rarely saw him but for a few hours in the morning. Also he was working crazy long hours before we met, so stop making everything about ME.
Also I suppose it was ridiculous that I would “bitch” at him for getting DUI’s on a regular basis? For getting the car sent to the impound repeated times for driving drunk? For not even KNOWING where the car was until police told him? Mind you these are at least 5 separate events I’m speaking of with the DUI.
He also didn’t allow me to have a phone. At all. Or a car. He made sure I was stuck in the house with no car and no way to contact anyone if I went into labor. When I posed this to him he said “you can run to a neighbor’s house”. Considering he was gone all the time, I had a very good chance of delivering my baby alone, or falling at home and losing the baby and he didn’t give a shit. The abusive was just the icing on the cake. Of course I didn’t want to stay…. I knew he’d abuse my son if she was willing to hit me while preg and push me while carrying the baby.
Say whatever you want, but you only know my “online debating” personality and if that’s what you’re judging my real personality on and especially in a relationship, that’s just plain old ridiculous.
So basically you think I somehow TURNED him into an ABUSER and a DRINKER even though his own family was the same way???
in the next breath Whiskey says:
“You cannot make an abuser an abuser, he was one long before he met you.” Which is saying that I should have KNOWN he was an abuser therefore…… still my fault.
So if you’re paying attention here you’ll see one man on here actually BLAME me for a man becoming an abuser and an alcoholic by bitching at him when he kept losing the car and getting DUI’s.
Then you see the other man (whiskey) admonish that men are born abusers and no person can make them that way…..so it’s my fault for picking him.
So which is it? I have stated a million times over that we both had our part in having a “shitty relationship” but there is no reason why I should be held responsible for him not having control over himself with alcohol and with his abuse. If I can control myself through that relationship and NOT hit him and NOT cheat on him and NOT get violent then I expect the same from him. It’s not too difficult to grasp. However, no I will never say it’s my fault that he’s an abuser, because I didn’t raise him. I didn’t teach him to hit women. His family did.
Here is an article about the growing number of “single-dads” in … of all places … Texas!:
http://www.star-telegram.com/242/story/1405534.html
Cowboy up, pardner!
Doug1-
Since women caused this mess, and it is not in their interest to change it back (why would any woman vote for capped child support or the repeal of no-fault divorce?) I do not think, however well-intentioned she may seem, Chick or any other woman will help us in this… Until they see that we are winning.
But I am open to the idea. If you are a Beta man, and have a solid argument to the contrary, I’m listening.
If you’re an alpha, or just want to state your opinion as fact, then, sorry, but I’ll hold fast.
And I did not misread Bhetti’s intent, which was to admonish me for saying things that she didn’t like. I made no assumptions about who she was praising.
It never ceases to amaze me that the women who comment here do not judge me based on the substance of my argument, but only if I say something that pleases them.
fwm–
You know absolutely nothing about me. For the sake of your long insulting and somewhat religious (?) post:
I have worked since I was 14 years old, I have never been coddled in life. I have an excellent work ethic and was lucky to be given an excellent education and a very “normal” family.
I was even more blessed by having my son and safely taking him away from a man who would have most likely eventually killed us both (if not in a DUI, then something else)
I am blessed to be intelligent and skilled enough to provide my own income (which I worked very hard to get to that point) and took a lot of “chick-bashing” to become respected in a job in CNC Programming where old school men rule.
My family is proud that their daughter doesn’t use men for money, doesn’t try to find a “baby daddy”, and also doesn’t hate men for what ONE man did. They are proud that I was raised well enough to know that my child is MY responsibility and no one else’s…. and to be happy about that.
I moved from the Allentown area to the suburbs just so that my son would go to a better school (even though a one bedroom apt here is the same price as a whole house there).
I have given up dating COMPLETELY so that I can spend as much time with my son as possible when I’m not at work. Yes what a horrible whore I am. Oh and by the way, do you know how many times I have gone out without my son in the past year???? One time. Why? Because there’s nowhere I’d rather be than with him. He’s not a burden, he’s the best thing that every happened to me and I tell him that everyday.
You can say whatever you want to about me as a person and attach whatever lies you want to judge me, but I know I made the best choice for my son and I know every move I’ve made SINCE he was born, was done in his best interest.
(oh and while i’m typing… my son is sleeping. He goes to bed at 7:30pm)
I don’t teach my son to “hate men” …. why would I? I don’t hate men, most of my friends are men… some beta, some alpha…. what’s to hate? It’s ridiculous that you think I’m out to fuck up the world for you as some raging feminist, because I’m not one.
It seems an epidemic that a woman who is self-assured and not easily broken WITHOUT being a man-hater is what scares most of the guys here and they just don’t want to admit it. It means that women DO exist who aren’t out to get them. It scares them that no matter how many nasty names they call me, I don’t turn around and use “man-hate” insults or blame society for my choices as a mother.
I’m proud of the life I’ve given my son and you can look down on me allllllll day long, but that is something you cannot take away from me is KNOWING that I put him before myself at every single moment in his life. While he might grow up with issues, he’ll also grow up knowing how loved, appreciated, and special he is because I tell him so every single day. I never had parents that complimented or tried to raise our self-esteem. I know how hard that was on me to literally have to be perfect for my parents to even put on a fake smile.
I don’t want that for my son. I want him to know his mother is his biggest champion no matter WHAT he decides to do with his life. Call me what you like, but someday my son will be older and look back and if nothing else, he’ll know I tried to keep him safe, did my best, and showed him as much love as a mother possibly could and if that makes him “hate me” as an adult…. well I’ll take that hit too.
An update on the Univesity of Chicago kids starting their young men’s rights movement, Men in Power:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104779051
The (female) host of the show was a bit hostile and curt with Steve, the founding kid, but at least gave him an audience to get the word out.
We need more chapters of MiP in other schools.
Saudia Arabia hey?
How about Italy, France, Greece or any other country in the world where families are tight-knit.
and, @ Lady Raine… some people are idiots. Best off not letting wannabe Roissys thieve our oxygen.
Lady Raine – Good to have you back. We were starting to miss your frequent posts endlessly talking about your own life. You are so fascinating. Please don’t stop.
@ A.J. Travis
At the risk of pissing you off, as I am a woman, I have to agree with what Bhetti said:
“If you use that as a standard, you are basically going to get nowhere with your revolution. You need to preach to those who know no better, rather than the intellectuals, because they’re the ones most likely to follow you and blindly.”
Puma–
I assure you I’d rather not, but when people continuously ask me questions and I don’t answer, guess what? Then I get accused of being a “liar” and having something to hide. If it bothers you so much, tell the guys to stop asking me questions.
Also I’ll gladly stop posting here, but then who would the guys ask a million questions to? I’m the only one that provides an actual honest answer as to how I life my life. So if you don’t like it…. well…. fuck you.
Jack –
You need two things.
1. To be an A-hole. Because women love A-holes. You must of course be the “right” kind of A-hole for the social setting. The various books, stuff on newsgroups, Roosh/Roissy’s blogs, etc. are good starting points to being a total A-hole.
2. Have something that gives you status/power/whatever. Amateur boxing. Musicianship. MONEY. All the attractive women with the boyfriends, their boyfriends have this as well as being total A-holes.
You_Know — It’s certainly true that women are not well represented in the sciences, the arts, and engineering. BUT … there are a number who were there, and were giants. Ada Lovelace, the daughter of Lord Byron (yes him) was the first computer programmer (before there was a computer!) the inventor of probability (she used to win at gambling) and a pioneer in statistics. Florence Nightengale’s main contribution, was not selfless nursing, but a stunning presentation using a polar pie chart that made clear that deaths in the Crimean theater were primarily from lack of handwashing, and clean bedding/bandages. NOT combat. Parliament was stunned and ordered Doctors (against their wishes) to wash their hands. And use clean bedding/bandages. Marie Curie, Admiral Grace Hopper, Hedy Lamarr (co-inventor of frequency hopping, she got the idea from playing the piano and doing chord changes), all deserve mention.
Women can’t replace men in the arts or sciences. There aren’t many geniuses, or even middling talents. But there were SOME female geniuses, and they deserve pride of place along the rest.
matjnewton–
nah they’d just say the lack of oxygen is also part of the evil feminist empire geared at wiping men off the earth.
“Yes, giving women too much economic and political power has been a HUGE mistake.
There have hardly ever been ANY truly great female politicians or leaders (except maybe Joan D’Arc, and she was probably a dyke) – similarly, women are clearly inferior to men as businesspeople, inventors (women have invented NOTHING of note), scientists, philosophers, travelers/explorers, architects, artists, religious figures, etc. There has never been a female genius because women seem genetically incapable of being one. Women aren’t even funny either unless they are a dyke of have certain dykeish qualities.
Yup, women are inferior to men in almost every way and must be treated accordingly.”
This person is being sarcastic, right? Because I’ve never heard something so stupid in my life. Yeah, fuck Margaret Thatcher…. and Madame Curry….what do we need Curium for anyhow… also fuck Georgia O’Keefe…. and also fuck my niece who already tested at genius IQ level. Okay no, this HAS to be a joke.
Lady Obtuseness…I did NOT “make it all your fault.” I merely pointed out that according to your story, it’s all HIS fault. You present yourself as if you’re blameless. Just simply giving you a dose of reality. I never said he was blameless or not at fault…only that you have your own share of the blame. Accept it.
I never accused you of that. What I wrote is that your failure to choose a satisfactory mate to impregnate you and your failure to make your relationship work with him has doomed your son to a life without a Father. But see, you’re demonstrating quite aptly that you are simply unable to own your own mistakes. You’ve done nothing but excuse, rationalize and justify your behavior and your choices…by blaming it ALL on him.
Reading comprehension, dear. The only real victim here is your son.
Heh. You’re the one that has sidetracked this entire blog community to a discussion about YOU.
Based on your own relating of your story, you acted as if he just “decided” to start drinking heavily and working longer hours.
Lady, been there, seen that a hundred times. The kind of man that is eager to work long hours and drink himself silly everynight, is a man that does NOT have a pleasant domecile he can seek refuge from the world.
Nah…he was avoiding the battlezone. As obstinate, shrill and annoying as you’ve demonstrated in your participation here, I can only imagine just how pleasant you must’ve made your home life for him….
Dear, shit happens in life. Either your with him or your against him. We all make mistakes (as you like to repeatedly say to justify why you think it’s no big deal that you created a broken home to raise your fatherless son in).
When your spouse makes a mistake, you only compound it by bitching, nagging and never letting him live it down. Now hey, he got 5 DUI’s? Maybe because after the first one, he simply didn’t want to come home after work only to hear Lady bitch at him about the DUI he got.
Heh. Ok, Whiskey was right than. You choose a domineering, alpha “thug” type to be your sperm donor.
Say whatever you want, but you only know my “online debating” personality and if that’s what you’re judging my real personality on and especially in a relationship, that’s just plain old ridiculous.
I’m not judging you on your “debating” personality. We have plenty of contentious debates here amongst ourselves. No dear, the “judgment” comes from your knee jerk reaction to this blog. Your rote repeating of feminist tropes and shibboleths. Your complete inability to own up to your own mistakes and accept the fact that you created a less than optimal situation for your son. In short, you came here and sucked up most of the oxygen of this blog, and made most of the discussions all about you.
Fine. Most of us have accommodated you.
According to your story, he never hit you until you were living together for a year and he started drinking heavily. You used that as your rationale when the commenters here first noted that YOU CHOSE HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. You played the “I didn’t know he was abusive until he CHANGED!”
If he was an ABUSER and a DRINKER before you even moved in with him, why did it take him a year to finally hit you?
It doesn’t add up.
But my hypothesis certainly does.
Go to any psychologist with that and see if they agree that an abuser is made by a woman who complains too often. Yes the medical community certainly is holding a huge secret under their hat, aren’t they??
Also I don’t recall ever saying on here “Hey you guys I’m open to questions whenever you’re ready”
Also you keep saying I don’t own up. How many fucking times have I said here that it was MY bad choice to get into a relationship with him. Was I perfect? No of course not and I never said I was so I don’t know why you keep accusing me of “not taking responsibility”. I already admitted I made a bad choice in men. I already admitted that I’m not a “perfect girlfriend” and never will be. Yet you keep shutting your ears when I say those things.
Again, there is no reason I’d blame myself for the abuse part of the relationship because I’m not an abuser, I don’t get in his face, I don’t even yell when I’m angry…. I coldly and silently ignore the person until I feel like talking.
The fact that you keep defending his reasons for being an abuser and even blame his own DUI’s on ME??? Right that makes sense. If he really were just trying to avoid me, he’d have NO DUI’s because he’d take every excuse to NOT come home.
Yes, right the fact that he drives drunk is my fault too even though I’m not even with him when he does it. All of the things you keep saying I don’t take responsiblity for are the things that ARE NOT my responsibility. Making sure he doesn’t lose his temper by tip-toeing around? Is that my responsibility? However his parents raised him isn’t the prob, its’ a woman bitching at him?
Oh and also after I left him I met an ex girlfriend of his who looks horrified when I said I had a child with him and then went on to tell her own stories of his drunken bullshit and abuse. His mother also would come over to “settle him down” on occasion when he was drunk and belligerent. Yes…. clearly I was the catalyst. I thought you were a somewhat intelligent man, but apparently I was mistaken because if that makes sense to you, well….. you’re just stupid then.
The point that you simply are ignoring is this:
IF he was a chronic, serial abuser, as you claim…than why did it take him an entire year before he finally hit you?
If, as you first claimed, that you didn’t know he was like that, until AFTER you moved in with him and you were pregnant…than it’s obvious that he wasn’t always a heavy drinker and an abuser.
So what drove him to it?
Lady Raine,
what makes you and your choices annoying, for an average guy without game, is not so much the fact that your son grows up without a daddy. Sure, that’s something to hit you with, the pangs of guilt about being a bad mother. But the beef actually is with your failure to keep your volatile man bound to you.
As you have professed, you are effectively out of the dating market.
As far as we/you know, he isn’t.
You’re a gearwheel in the machinery of soft polygamy.
There’s the grind.
single mom who looks ten years older than her age:
Also I suppose it was ridiculous that I would “bitch” at him for getting DUI’s on a regular basis?
DUIs on a regular basis? sounds like you really know how to pick ‘em. but then what more can we expect from a low class myspace tramp?
I am also not delusional and realize one day my son WILL ask why I picked a “loser” and I’ll have to answer that I am only human and made a mistake.
“your father is a loser, son. half your DNA is a mistake.”
yeah, that’ll go over real well, mom.
ps your worst sin is that you’re a complete bore. no wonder your ex drank himself into a stupor and tried to end it all by wrapping his car around a tree. too bad you couldn’t use some of that “mentalism” you picked up in a community college class to persuade him to stop boozing.
Lady Raine hijacking the thread again, nice!!!!!
single mom who looks ten years older than her age
She still looks better than the trannies i pull my diminutive pud to…
David Alexander – LOL!
lurker
—So how did “love” (notice how women always leave this amorphous meaningless term undefined) save your precious baby daddy from leaving you?
Whoa. I was googling “amorphous” for a completely different subject, accidentally searched for it here and got two matches.
collegeboy
When the shit does hit the fan, I’ll be crashing at sara I place watching fight club. No condom.
To the fall! To the fall!
David Alexander – LOL!
to be honest, that was some creative editing by your mischievous host. DA’s usual tripe is not nearly as funny.
Oh Jeez! Lady Raine is from Allentown. And has red hair. And continues my families pattern of broken relationships, bad parenting (my Grandmother was a nightmare, according to my Mom). Next she’ll tell me she’s an O’Neil or an O’Donnell.
Please God No.
Please don’t let me be related. Please don’t let me be related. Please, please, please.
That being said …
I take completely the opposite of Dave in Hawaii. Most of the women, often smart, beautiful and professional ones, in abusive relationships knew the guys were poison from the start. Just like Dalrymple’s nurses. It’s WHY they chose them in the first place.
The scars from fighting, the intimidating stares at other men in clubs, the penchant for getting into fights.
Please. Let’s be honest. A girl, who has a college education, and a good job, albeit blue collar, does not date a mechanic unless he’s got something going on. Intimidation. Being bad and dangerous. And so on. Guys don’t pick up DUIs out of the blue. He was always like that, and is apparently (given your conversation with his current girl) still like that. A guy does not start smacking around his pregnant girlfriend or hitting his girlfriend with their son in his arms out of the blue.
People don’t change. He was ALWAYS like that. You just thought you could make his abusive power your own. Control it. Use it. Have him intimidate or beat up (“My Boyfriend’s Back”) those awful loser beta guys who stared at your behind in the Supermarket.
Like Arnold said, Big Mistake. Come on (to our mutual horror, we are probably distantly related) embrace your inner White Trash. Admit it. You knew exactly what this guy was, when you had a kid with him. It’s WHY you chose THIS GUY out of all the others.
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As for female leaders, there are a few of note. Besides Thatcher there is Gold Meir, Sarah Palin, and a few others who made it on their own. Thatcher was an unconnected Grocer’s daughter. Most of the rest come from dynasties (Indira Ghandi being Nehru’s daughter, Megawati being Sukarno’s daughter, Bhutto being her father’s daughter) that have more to do with tribal loyalties than any actual ability.
Mostly, however, female leaders are terrible, because they lack any and all understanding of men. Particularly hard men used to killing. Thatcher knew them, probably so does Palin. Meir knew these men. Most are time-punchers more interested in being famous and such like Madeline Albright, who danced with North Korea’s Kim while millions in his slave empire starved.
too late for romance
I would like to assume that every one of your presises and conclusions are correct, for the sake of argument. The reason that I want to assume these things is because there is a much more fundamental question.
Why should I care about saving the United States?
What is in if for me? And by that I mean what is in it directly for me? Will I make more money? Get more pussy? Get higher on new and interesting drugs? Live longer?
Sure, it would be nice to be a superhero, save the world and do the right thing, but then again it would be nice to have a money tree or a flying car. Sure, it would be nice.
But is it even possible and, if it is, why would I want to?
I do not tilt at windmills, I do not volunteer and I have no problems leaving any country to live somewhere else once I get enough money. Give me some good reasons to please. Seriously.
And this mindset is the mindset betas will adopt in the future. All those people who made this mindset will soon be screaming for people like his poster to do his duty and he will just sit by and let them reap what they have sown. As Morpheous said, fate is not without a certain sense of irony.
@ Ovid: You are right. We cannot wind it back. We can only prolong the collapse. It took hundreds of years for the Roman empire to collapse, remnants still remained almost a thousand years after. They tried saving what could not be saved. It is in our best interests and the interests of any future generations to destroy modern civilisation as fast as possible so that we can start again.
@ Pupu: You do no understand. We cannot reverse what has been done, we can only prolong the collapse. Better to speed it up.
@ maurice: Hordes may have overcome Rome, but the people of the Roman empire still existed, so they must have eventually become barbarians themselves to survive.
Secondly, I do think the fall of America (followed by the rest of the West) will lead to invasion by other countries, such as China, Russia, or islamic hordes. When this happens you will see a lot og young men not bother to fight for their country, feeling no sense of duty towards it. Then it will descend into barbarism. All those SWPL types seem to think that America has no external threat, that the world is peaceful. They sit there happily undermining the America way of life has kept peace and warded off external threats by being the biggest and strongest nation on earth. People of other nations (and America) are no less barbarous than they were, they are just keep in check by having a strong country keeping the word in check, and a strong way of life (in America) keeping the country in check. And that system is crumbling. As the country begins to fall apart internally than external enemies (who most Americans aren’t even aware of as enemies) are going to move in. Expect another war, probably a world war, where countries try to sort out who is going to fill the spot of top dog left by America.
Secondly, you talked about the different types of religion that sprung up as Rome fell. Look at the pseudo-religious organisations we have today. We have climate change crusaders, political correctness worshippers et al who all have the stench of dogma, fervour and unquestionable moral superiority. It is religion in a different guise. Also, there has been a return to traditional faiths, more people converting to islam, more people thinking themselves superior as they grasp at zen and buddhism, stupid religions such as scientology springing up, and finally you have the simpering, idiotic ”I’m not religious, I’m spiritual crowd” who are probably modern day pagans and just as dumb and religious as other groups.
If you want an example of men not bothering to be part of society then look up Men Go Their Own Way (MGTOW) and ghosting.
@ Celtic: Feminists have already started the crusade to stop mail order brides. There was legislation passed which restricted international dating websites in America, or something similar. Maybe somebody can find the story. I have already heard grumblings on the net about female outrage over this and attempts at shame. It is probably more widespread than we know, but the major media outlets (feminised to hell) are keeping a lid on it. They don’t want beta males to know about it.
@ maurice again: I think leftism is becoming more and more like a religious movement. They used to delcare bush the devil etc. It is like a religion that justifies their self hate and their need to impose their views on others.
@ Dave is Certainly Knowing: True and well said.
@ Whiskey: I agree that thuggery is going to become commonplace. Gangs and wannabe tough guys are starting to appear in Australia. The American ghettos are probably good examples of what is to come.
@ Obsidian: The scenes you described are exactly what I think will become commonplace.
@ Chuck. Worker bee men go off to war with the unstated understanding that they are fighting for a society that is worth dying for. A society where a man can get married and raise kids and have a decent life. Who would fight for a society where you have nothing; work for no reason, have no chance of a girl or raising kids.
Dave from Hawaii –
The short answer is that she knew who he was all along. It’s why she chose him in the first place.
He didn’t “turn evil” like some Buffy the Vampire Slayer character. She didn’t drive him to drink. He was always like that. She just figured she could … CHANGE HIM. Control him. With her magical powers of sex. To put it politely.
The fact that she’s probably a distant, Allentown Irish relative probably depresses me as much as herself.
As a Medical Professional I can tell you that no one, after a few years of experience, believes anything we hear regarding “abuse:. If there is an injury, then treat it. Otherwise; it is just noise.
I do not see you as a bad person. In your own way, your are being as honest here as you are capable. And, your attitude seems entirely representative of your age & gender.
What stands out, however, is that you display boredom approaching contempt towards the type of guy who would be (would have been) a good, stable father to your kid. THAT is significant. That teaches men an important lesson, one you seem reluctant to hear.
The future will not be like the past.
You’re probably right, Whiskey…but I was merely contrasting her earlier claims when everyone first called her out on taking responsibility for choosing the sperm donor in the first place, to which she pleaded she didn’t know… “he just changed, and started drinking and hitting me!”
She claimed to have lived with him for a year before he ever hit her. That doesn’t sound like a “chronic abuser” to me…but rather a guy who was pushed over the edge with a lady who obviously doesn’t know when to keep her mouth shut.
Yeah, why don’t you keep yelling at your drunk, angry boyfriend about his DUI’s…
whiskey
Mostly, however, female leaders are terrible, because they lack any and all understanding of men.
I thought most females leaders WERE men.
too late for romance
Why should I care about saving the United States?
#1 You can’t do it anyway
#2 Why would you even want to take up such a task?
#3 Save yourself. If you can’t do that, why even think about it?
I know why collegeboy likes me. I’d rather get laid to Fight Club than talk politics. The good life begins with the individual. All this talk about “society” is just so much b.s. when it all boils down to individuals. I say “save” yourself and the rest will follow and even if it doesn’t it won’t matter.
Whiskey:
I take completely the opposite of Dave in Hawaii. Most of the women, often smart, beautiful and professional ones, in abusive relationships knew the guys were poison from the start.
To be fair, she did try to cover her ass by portraying his abuse as coming from out of nowhere. In which case, DFH’s analysis would be spot on.
Of course it’s just as likely that your analysis is the correct one, and Lady Rain is doing what Thug-Lovers have always done:
Turn a blind eye to her man’s thuggishness and intimidation as long as it was directed at other men, and only when she gets a taste of what was there all along does she THEN start crowing about his abuse.
To those unconcerned about the “fall” of the United States:
When the top dog starts to get usurped by a rising challenger, there is a higher chance of conflict.
Conflict in this day and age probably is going to end up with big mushroom clouds replacing the skyline of many cities.
Not even Game saves you from nuclear radiation. Hard to fuck radioactive isotopes.
No guarantees, of course. No such thing in life…but that means there are no guarantees of your safety, either. Gotta play it by the numbers.
@PA “Never, as far as I am aware, have young men been advised to appeal to women on a sexual level. “
You need to read your Petronius Satyricon and Martial. Yes, in fact, young men have been advised to appeal to women on a sexual level. Right before the barbarians invaded.
GVChamp
I don’t see anything wrong with the US and China nuking each other. Could be the first post Hollywood action film, based on a true event.
Hey Sara, why don’t you weigh in on the Lady Rain discussion?
Hit a little close to home does it?
“Not necessarily. If average herbs and betas simply start acting like assholes to women, women would start finding them attractive.”
If women are biomechanically determined to select for alpha status then women are going to keep adapting to game to make sure they’re still only selecting those who appear to be alpha males. If alphas and betas all start acting like assholes, women won’t use it as selection criteria anymore.
I’ve come around to Chuck’s viewpoint. Game is zero sum as long as the societal conditions that have created the current soft polygamy remain unchanged.
Is the US worth saving? Only you can answer that question for yourselves.
Can it be saved? Yes it can, but only time will tell if it is.
If you’re an alpha or a woman you’re most likely the enemy, so I’m happy if you decide to sit this one out.
If you’re a Beta male, you don’t have that choice because the alphas and women are bring the fight to you.
Betas only 2 options, fight or slavery.
Stop whining, and pick a fucking side.