by Roissy
Here is a system for determining your dating market value if you are a man. Dating market value is a measurement of how you stack up against other men in the competition for attracting female interest. Be honest with yourself taking this survey. It will give you a fairly accurate assessment of the quality and number of women you are capable of attracting for a sexual relationship. Girls, you may take this quiz for your boyfriends to see if you are slumming it or about to be cheated on.
1. How old are you?
under 25 years old: 0 points
26-34 years old: +1 point
35-45 years old: 0 points
45+ years old: -1 point
2. How tall are you?
under 5′9″: -1 point
5′9″ to 5′11″: 0 points
6′ to 6′4″: +1 point
over 6′4″: 0 points
3. What is your BMI?
(Go here to calculate your BMI. I know BMI doesn’t account for very muscular physiques, but since most men are not Lee Haney, it is adequate for this survey’s purposes.)
under 20.0: -1 point
20.0 to 24.0: +1 point
24.1 to 27.0: 0 points
over 27.0: -1 point
4. How much do you bench press?
60% or less of your body weight: -1 point
61% to 80% of your body weight: 0 points
81% to 170% of your body weight: +1 point
over 170% of your body weight: 0 points
5. What does your hairline look like?
Full head of hair if you are over 35: +1 point
Full head of hair if you are under 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are over 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are under 35: -1 point
Bald (age irrelevant): -1 point
Bald but you are dark-skinned: 0 points
6. How much money do you make?
under $40K and you are out of college: -1 point
$40K to $70K out of college and under 40 years old: 0 points
over $70K out of college and under 40 years old: +1 point
under $40K and you are college age or younger: 0 points
$40K to $55K and over 40 years old: -1 point
$55K to $90K and over 40 years old: 0 points
over $90K and 40 to 55 years old: +1 point
over $200K (age irrelevant): +1 point
7. Do you have a car?
No (under 21yo): 0 points
No (over 21yo): -1 point
Yes (under 21yo): +1 point
Yes (over 21yo): 0 points
No, but you have a motorcycle (age irrelevant): +1 point
8. Are you good-looking?
(Self-assessment is somewhat unreliable, so if you are uncertain of your looks post your pic on hotornot and wait a week for your score. Or get opinions from unbiased and blunt friends. Hashing out the biometric details of what makes a male face attractive would require another lengthy post, so for now these two methods are acceptable substitutes.)
On a 1 – 10 scale:
0 – 4: -1 point
5 – 7: 0 points
8 – 10: +1 point
9. Have you ever played a leading role in a team sport?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
10. What is your occupation?
(Since I won’t list every single high status job in the Department of Labor’s Occupational Handbook, you’ll have to make a judgment call on your own job. It’s a safe assumption that most people know a high status job when they see it.)
High status (doctor, lawyer, stockbroker, executive, professor, business owner, successful artist or musician or writer, professional athlete, etc.): +1 point
Neutral status (engineer, programmer, accountant, salesman, mid level manager, scientist, military officer, well-paid tradesman, etc.): 0 points
Low status (low paid blue collar, admin, construction, janitor, struggling web designer, help desk, etc.): -1 point
11. How many friends do you have?
0 to 3: -1 point
4 to 20: 0 points
over 20: +1 point
12. How many friends have you met through the internet that you have never seen in person?
0 to 2: 0 points
over 2: -1 point
13. When was the last time you went to a house party?
Within the past month: +1 point
Between one month and one year ago: 0 points
Over one year ago: -1 point
14. Have people besides your family called you funny?
None: -1 point
A few have: 0 points
Nearly everyone who knows me: +1 point
15. What is your IQ?
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point
16. At a party, which happens first – you approach someone or someone approaches you?
I approach someone first almost every time: +1 point
I occasionally approach first: 0 points
Someone normally approaches me first: -1 point
17. Have you ever been in a serious fight where real punches were thrown and you felt like you wanted to kill your opponent(s)?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, with a girl: -1 point
18. Have you ever been arrested?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, for child pornography or public exposure: -1 point
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It’s best to answer the following four questions based on your past experience with similar scenarios. Who we really are is not what we wish we were but what we have always been.
19. You are on a second date with a girl. You go to kiss her. She turns her cheek to you and says “Slow down, I’m not that kind of girl.” You reply:
(A) ”Sorry.”
(B) “Yeah, well, no prob.”
(C) ”This could be trouble ’cause I’m that kind of guy.” *smirk*
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
20. You’re chatting up a pretty girl you just met in a bar. After a few minutes she asks you to buy her a drink. You reply:
(A) “Sure.”
(B) “I’m not an ATM.”
(C) “No, but you can buy me one.”
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
21. You’ve just met a cute girl in a club and have been talking with her for five minutes when she abruptly changes the topic to a raunchy conversation about her multiorgasmic ability. You respond with:
(A) a huge grin and an eager “Damn! That is HOT!”
(B) a look of mild disdain.
(C) a raised eyebrow while saying “Hey, thanks for the medical report.”
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
22. The pickup has been going well. Later in the night she leans in and begins making out with you passionately. You feel like a king and your jeans suddenly feel much tighter. Do you:
(A) immediately grope her boob in return.
(B) continue making out with her for as long as she wishes.
(C) kiss for a little bit then push her gently away and look distracted for a second.
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
And finally, the critical thinking portion of the quiz. The following questions are based on the progression of a single pickup attempt.
23. You go to a bar. Twenty feet away are a pretty girl, a fat girl, and an average guy talking amongst themselves. The pretty girl briefly eye flirts with you. In reponse, you:
(A) eye flirt back and forth a few times before approaching 20 minutes later.
(B) immediately approach in a direct fashion maintaining strong eye contact with your target.
(C) immediately approach but from an indirect angle, looking around the room distractedly on the way over to your target as if you might see an even prettier girl somewhere else, and finally delivering your opener from over your shoulder.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
24. Who do you address first?
(A) the pretty girl.
(B) the fat girl.
(C) everyone.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
25. After getting the whole group engaged in conversation and having a good time, your target blurts out “Hey nice pink shirt! Are you gay?” You:
(A) say “No, I’m not gay!”
(B) ignore her.
(C) say “OK, who brought their little sister to the bar!”
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
26. In the middle of the conversation you have to pee. You say:
(A) “I have to go to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.”
(B) “Excuse me.”
(C) nothing. Just go.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
27. You’ve managed to get her outside your front door. There is obvious sexual tension. You want to close this deal. You say:
(A) “So, um, ah, see you around.”
(B) “Why don’t you come inside?”
(C) “I’m thirsty. Are you thirsty? Let’s go inside and taste DC’s finest tap water. But you can only stay for a minute, I have to get up early.”
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
****
SCORES
There are 26 points to earn or lose based on the questions asked. The scoring breaks down as follows:
-26: Why are you still alive?
-25 to -20: You’re an omega. Celibacy has its charms.
-19 to -15: You actively repulse girls. Your kind will usher forth the sexbot revolution.
-14 to -10: You’re always getted foisted onto the warpigs.
-9 to 0: Lesser beta. You don’t immediately disgust girls; they just don’t notice you. With much painful effort you can redeem yourself.
1 to 9: Classic beta. You catch some girls’ eyes, usually the ones you don’t want. Try not to make fatty fucking a lifestyle.
10 to 14: A few attractive girls in the bar will be intrigued by your presence. But you need game to close the deal.
15 to 19: Congrats, you have crossed the alpha Rubicon. A lot of cute girls will be pleased when you hit on them. But you can still fuck up by being yourself.
20 to 25: You’re a natural. Many hot girls check you out and forgive your occasional pickup blunders. You always have a look of sexual satisfaction on your face.
26: Super Alpha. Booty sticks to you like bird shit on car roofs.
“26. In the middle of the conversation you have to pee. You say:
(A) “I have to go to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.”
(B) “Excuse me.”
(C) nothing. Just go.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point ”
This is silly crap. Anyone that just walks away in the middle of a conversation isn’t being better with women, they are being a weird jerk. Socially adjusted humans acknowledge other people’s presence and make trivial niceties as signs of respect and courtesy. It isn’t a sign of weakness and I’ll give you a money back guarantee that you lose ZERO points in the mating game for simply saying “excuse me”. This community is just weird, quit telling guys this crap. Instead of calculating points regarding your alphaness you should be looking the nearest girl in the eyes and telling her she’s enchanting, and you’ll be right back in a moment, as soon as you find the author of this claptrap and tell him he’s sad, strange, and wrong.
15. What is your IQ?
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point
So basically being smart is as bad as being mentally challenged or average? Yes, that makes perfect sense…
Also, the witticisms by which you’re judging in Q25 are stale and reflect a very limited range of jokes. What about “I’m sorry [heckler's name], you’re just not my type.”
On Q17, pounding a girl into oblivion with your fists is the trait of a country hick with an alcohol problem.
Q18… being arrested is only an asset if you’re a civil right protester in a foreign nation and have the story to go with it. Otherwise, you’re a walking liability.
Q19 makes one sound like a sleazy slob, something like a 30K millionaire. There are much funnier and better ways to play this off like “Why not?”
Q21 will just offend the girl. She’s trying to get laid and you’re shooting her down and look like an asshole.
Q26 is just bad manners.
Q27 sounds like of the the cheesy scenes from The Pickup Artist.
In summary… this quiz needs to be rethought by someone other than a person who’s only guide to the dating world has been reading books like “I Plowed 800,000 Chicks And So Can You!” or “Getting Laid In 5 Easy Steps.”
GFish –
Being in the upper end of Q15, I can tell you, Roissy has it wrong. IQ of 145+ ought to be -2, maybe more. Women, in general, want to think they’re more intelligent than their partner, whether that partner is for life or for the night.
Look at way two recent high IQ range TV characters (Zack Addy and Gregory House) are depicted. Both are shown as socially misfit celibates who can only get some if they pay for it. Meanwhile, by carefully concealing the fact that I have the brains I do, I managed to never go more than 72 hours without from the time I started dating to the time I met my wife.
Some women want to think their partners are less intelligent. Others want someone who’s smart enough to keep up a conversation. Women are not all the same and a big IQ doesn’t mean social ineptitude and the ability to talk only about the nerdiest of stuff. It’s just the way it’s portrayed in the media as your TV example shows. What you see on TV isn’t always the way it is in reality.
Also your claims can’t be backed up on the internet and come on… e-bragging? I might as well go all out and say that I’m the original pick-up artist who rote all the books by which they work. I didn’t, but since it’s the web, I might as well…
I’d tend to agree with KennyC on the “high IQ” thing. I know a lot of guys who are very (book-)smart and very unsuccessful with women. You could lump me in that category, too.
I’d only question whether it’s correlation or causation. All other things being equal, being smarter is probably good. But being smarter tends to come with a whole host of other things that tend to hurt you with women. For example, being on math team: -1 point. Going to nerd camp: -1 point. Spending lots of free time programming computers as a kid instead of running around on the playground: -1 point. Those negative points add up real fast.
I would say that maybe some other factors need to play into the IQ question. I for one don’t want to feel smarter than the man I’m dating. In general, I know that most women I’ve known in my life like to take pride in the man they’re dating. I was dating a chemistry grad student and that was one (but not the only) of his best qualities. We always had very interesting conversations and I learned a lot from him. As far as the Dr. House example, I find him very attractive even if he is much older than I am. Just thought I would put that out there, I know I’m not every woman.
“(C) nothing. Just go.”
You mean right there, on the floor?
Yes right there, on the floor. Ha ha
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I’d only question whether it’s correlation or causation. All other things being equal, being smarter is probably good. But being smarter tends to come with a whole host of other things that tend to hurt you with women. For example, being on math team: -1 point. Going to nerd camp: -1 point. Spending lots of free time programming computers as a kid instead of running around on the playground: -1 point. Those negative points add up real fast.
I think it mostly boils down to, aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points, if not more. This gets in the way of developing important social skills.
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aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points [...] gets in the way of developing important social skills.
What’s odd is that I used to have such an aversion, but don’t so much any more. Unfortunately, social skills are something you learn cumulatively, and the average guy probably got nearly a 10-year head start on me socially (while I was busy getting a 10-year head start on math and computers).
Outcome: I made a lot more money than the average guy, while the average guy slept with more women.
I think it mostly boils down to, aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points, if not more. This gets in the way of developing important social skills.
Wrong. Smart kids are not averse to hanging out with kids not as smart as they are. It’s more along the lines of what tends to interest them and is important differs. I could go on and on about this, but there’s a different, more important aspect to the intelligence negative. Smart people have a different approach and outlook to things. And yes, there is a downside. Smart kids excel at a lot of things, and those things they do not they tend to eschew. They have so much success, they do not know how to deal with failure. They also figure out so much on their own that they have a hard time looking for help. But perhaps most importantly, they have a harder time understanding a world that is not logical. There’s nothing logical about romance, so they don’t ‘get it’. Which is why understanding the biomechanics bits is important. It fills in the invisible rules that guide sexual chaos.
Doesn’t match up. Got a 2, despite a “lesser alpha” rank from last year’s post on “defining the alpha male.”
The situational bits are fun though – it’s like chick crack for men.
Today I got the comment: “GOD, men like you are why I’m still single.” Victory!!
Whole lotta question-begging going on here. (#1 question being, who the fudge are you? A 26?) Not to mention non sequiturs and contradictions. What for instance would someone’s income have to do with picking someone up at a bar? Most people don’t let even close friends know their income, -close friends wouldn’t want to know, of course- and any “chick” that asked is just asking to be lied to. Like Madonna is used to saying, she’ll go with anyone, all things else being equal, who can pay their own rent. Income relates to wife hunting, not to one night stands, Lothario. And what about #21, the orgasm hit on? Since the “correct” response seems calculated to offend the bimbo, just making it with the so-called target appears to be secondary to asserting one’s discriminating tastes. You fail to get laid but get a point for being a wise ass, is that it? An so on and so forth. Bottom line: the infamous and celebrated Don Juan would have drawn -1 on nearly every test except those dealing with looks, and look at him!
I’m extremely smart. Many girls find it very hot – particularly the type of girls that I want – I like smart girls although they don’t have to be very or extremely smart – better if they are.
I try not to list my IQ merits too early, but it is useful, if the girl notices from an ordinary conversation that I’m smart and also know lots of things. Any merits, such as being educated and particularly being extremely educated and the best everywhere, I uncover slowly so as not to frighten not-extremely-smart girls away and so as not to sound too boasting.
Most girls do not think that high IQ is the number one thing. They prefer men who are smart in the conversation, who can discuss intellegently on any subject, who know lots of things etc. Not all high IQ men are able to do this but most of them can learn it if they try to.
Of course, uneducated and stupid girls may be different, but I am not after them. It is difficult to even find them beautiful unless they have an extremely good nature.
Once a girl made Q26C to me on a first and on the second dates. Just inpolite. She certaily wasn’t my type.
There is some idea in the above list: a man should not be too forgiving and should act like a man, have his own will, ideas, surprises etc. However, he should be polite if he wants to have a nice girl and not a terrible girl. The same applies to a woman.
Even the most alpha guys i know won’t be impolite and just leave, they say “Wait, i’m on the toilet quickly” and go… WTF? You’re in a conversation talking about the weather and suddenly you disappear without saying anything? Thats just creepy behaviour nothing else.
this is actually hilarious, you can only get away with doing or saying those things if you are actually are a slick panty flipper thats why some people dont understand how you can drop it.
people need to understand that not every guy has it in him to be a long term lothario just make sure you get the best you can!
The whole second half is all PUA/”mystery method” crap.
PUA stuff is inherently not for alphamales.
I got a 3. The interesting thing is that so much is based on the what would you do scenarios. That stuff is easily changed. So I could get a 20 if I acted differently. And from experience, I know it’s true. I just don’t care to act like an ahole, even it impresses women.
Firstly, it’s pretty strange that there’s a 147 point range for women and a mere 52 point range for the men.
Now onto your criteria…
4. Bench press? Am I dating a useless gym-junkie ken doll who wont move too much in case he loses muscle mass? If you want a nice body, go do kung-fu or parkour. Get usefully ripped.
6. How much you make? What do I want with your income? I have my own money. Besides, I’ve turned down a finance broker because he told me he was saving for a yacht and an an Aston Martin. I’d never heard of anything so boringly superfluous in my life.
7. Lets talk car types. You get +5 in my books if you drive a ‘69 Ford xy. OR an old f100 or a van we can put a mattress in the back of and take off whenever we want.
9. Don’t give a flying fuck about sport (there’s that swearing that cost me again).
10. High status job? I’m attracted to people who love what they do and excel at it. That’s included an olympic athlete, famous musicians, a stunt man, and a drug dealer, over the years.
13. Don’t care for house parties.
15. Stupid men bore me senseless. Someone made a TV reference… House is sex on a walking-stick. I teach at a university, my day job is inspiring people to think – I don’t want to do it after hours. Also, men who aren’t confident about their intellect are generally totally freaked out by me, anyway.
16. I prefer to approach a man or give him obvious signals across a room that it’s ok to approach me. I don’t like interruptions. That sounds unkind on paper, doesn’t it?
17. Aggression is unsexy.
19 – 27. Oh good, you HAVE read The Game. You’re possibly also already paying a nice expensive PUA or seduction coach shark. The good old ‘neg’. Well yes, men and women in numerous social situations practice the manipulation tactic of publicly belittling peers in order to make their own worth appear greater. It’s a renowned fall back for when people who very obviously have nothing positive to recommend them. Sadly, the women this tactic actually work on have low self-esteem as it is, it’s not much of an achievement to bank in on that just because your self-esteem is potentially even lower than theirs.
Tara, shut the fuck up.
4. #4 doesn’t reward muscle-heads, look again. and don’t name-drop kung-fu and parkour. those are terrible choices. you just said you didn’t want somebody obsessed with working out and then you tell everyone to start kung-fu and parkour which require a fucking LIFETIME of commitment to be proficient at, NOT CLEVER!
6. that “investment banker” you turned down who was saving for an aston martin was probably my broke ass. and by “turned down” you probably mean chasing after my taxi while i take off with your hotter friend.
7-9. wtf are you talking about?
10. “High status job? I’m attracted to people who love what they do and excel at it. That’s included an olympic athlete, famous musicians, a stunt man, and a drug dealer”
omg stfu. all of those were my boys and they were bullshitting you. they weren’t that into you either.
13. dont like house parties? where the fuck do you party at when not at a bar?
16-17. you don’t even know what you prefer, trust me.
19-27. “Well yes, men and women in numerous social situations practice the manipulation tactic of publicly belittling peers in order to BLAH BLAH BLAH. It’s a renowned fall back for when people who very obviously have nothing positive BLAH BLAH BLAH. Sadly, the women this tactic actually work on have low self-esteem as it is”
who do you think you are? I absolutely, 200% guarantee you i could pick you up and fuck you on the first date using only played-out, tired 1998 game.
for you, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
The problem with this test is that it doesn’t simply attempt to measure your market value, it explicitly states that anyone who isn’t good with women or just isn’t interested in a lifestyle of hedonistic skirt chasing is a loser who should kill himself. What the fuck is wrong with you?
I love this test. This test is something I will refer to in commonplace conversation when gloating about my sexual and intellectual prowess.
Who would’ve thought pissing on the floor, and being a douche would pay off one day!
Oh well, compared to all my friends I’ve scored at least 20 points higher, making me the pimp of the group from here on out. Bring on the ladies!
I love guys like this. They put me through college.
My own guide to broke college girls trying to make an extra buck on commission based jobs, learn to spot guys like the author.
Another tip, tell them you’re 16 and they’re less likely to ask you out when you’re ringing up the sale.
You may want to find some scientific data to back up your assertions, because a lot of what you’re saying is backwards when measured against international preferences in a mate.
Women want intelligent, semi-good looking, caring men. Men with resources. Men who are willing to share those resources in a monogamous relationship. Men who are respectful, are independent.
The most valuable men are also those that can attract the most highly valued females. The problem is that your highest value has been given to the college frat boy who never grew up. High value women do not want Bros.
What you’ve given us is a scale where men can measure their perceived value against status indicators as set by other men. You need to look at this from the perspective of a high value female and determine what it is that she finds indispensable. Not just what she would consider man-candy; high value women will not trust man-candy.
@doubt
I THINK the intent here was to measure a man’s Short Term Mating Strategy Value. From an evolutionary lens this would be good genes/sexy son males. Your description of resources/intelligence etc is more for Long Term Mating Strategy Value. There is a lot of literature on this from Buss, Tooby, Cosmides, and Fisher. We are a monogamous species hardwired with impulses to cheating after all. Some people are just better at ignoring those impulses. Also… I don’t think you are supposed to take it dead literally in the first place. This is worded for LOLZ…..
Hi MikeHoont,
I’m sorry I upset you, dear. By the way, have you heard of the psychological term “projection”?
As for your “200% guarantee”, see my response to question 15.
Kisses x
The responses here crack me up. Typically women presume that the male definition of success is to find a “quality woman” to marry. This usually is not a male goal but happens by accident when one of the women you date actually is interesting (a real coup as most men and women are so insipid).
Further men and women alike mistake liking people based on their core values vs. attraction. The getting arrested one is a great example. It belies at least a semi-bad-boy don’t give a f*(k attitude, which though it may not be ideal for a marriage prospect, is precisely the guy that young attractive desirable women are attracted to and ultimately put out for. People’s ideals for marriage are typically the exact opposite of the personality characteristics that arouse attraction. Thus the girls who date the bad boys til 30 and then turn around and marry the boring computer programmer because he’s stable and will worship her. That is, until she becomes so bored she cheats and leaves him. Same for men, bang the sluts and find some innocent virgin to bring home to mother. Foolish as no relationship can be successful long term without intense attraction.
Finally the comments about intellect. Roissy is 100% right that super-normative intelligence works against you if you don’t disguise it. I speak from experience in that I had a tough time in school and didn’t come into my own until college because I unwittingly intimidated people by my intellect. This is because when you are operating at a functional level several standard deviations above the average, you don’t realize that virtually nobody’s vocabulary exceeds 1000 words, that most don’t remember a damn thing they learn and that the associations they make between things and their creative thought processes are pretty much limited to the visceral instinctual needs. What to eat. When to poop. Where to I stick it when I need to get off. Much above this is beyond the writhing masses. It’s not that they openly hate you, it’s just that they feel inferior and nobody likes to feel that. While we would generally be bettered by association with our superiors, water tends to seek it’s own level. As such, if you are above 145 IQ there are so few people who fall in that category that you must learn to disguise it to a degree. This is so that you appear to be close enough to the friends you make or the women you date that they can fool themselves into thinking that you just know a lot about areas that don’t interest them, not that there is an actual wide spread between your abilities. You must make them believe that if they just cared enough to try, they would know as much as you do. Generally people like to think that they want someone smart, but what they are really saying is I don’t want a blithering idiot. Women mean they want a man that’s about their (average) intelligence.
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Okay, roissy. Having never met you, I don’t know what type of person you are exactly, but from reading a couple of your blogs I assume that you are a satirist and are letting the blog community how ridiculous you think relationships are, because of the unrealistic expectations.
The truth to this blog is that [some] women want to be treated like shit so that they can go cry to other women about it. They want to be mistreated therefore they let themselves be mistreated.
So you’re encouraging men to be jerks in order to continue our world’s ironic nature. I think that’s wonderful, because even though all these people are reading your blog and either taking your advice or being offended by it, they don’t really get it?
Perhaps you’re trying to rule the world. Or just laugh at the world. Or doom others in order to succeed in your life.
Personally, I think you’re hilarious. If I’m right about your views, then we’re more alike than I though.
If this is all unintentional, props to you. If you actually think like this, let me know.
I think this test misses the point. I qualify as classic beta on here, lesser alpha on the defining the alpha male test. A lot of qualities of men that attract women are largely situational, which is why many men can’t get any ass at all in some places, as much ass as they want in others. But this test largely asks about general qualities.
[...] What women find attractive in men are rare traits. [...]
Over 145 IQ should still be a zero, not a -1. 145+ is not as bad as being sub-85.
But 145+ is worse than being 110. That is for sure.
I doubt even 1% of men can score more than +12 on this quiz. Seriously.
I think a lot of men who do quite well are still scoring +6 to +10.
I think people misunderstand intelligence.
If you’re smart enough, you can act as intelligent as necessary to maximise attraction with your target. Of course, for long term relationships, you’d get bored with more than a 5-10 point gap, which means the eligible market is incredibly small at around 150 (<0.5%, and assuming you have high standards for beauty… then it’s even smaller).
Humans truly are worthless heaps of genetic programming, but I don’t believe it’s this neat and clear cut. You’ve taken your beliefs to the extreme for pageviews.
What is your BMI?
Pretty much BMI is just outdated. It doesn’t take into account the different muscle mass and body fat. Penn and Teller took a shot at this on their show “Bullshit!” where they showed that there were many Hollywood leading men with really high and “unhealthy” BMI’s. Thus calculating body fat, while harder, is much more accurate in assessing attractiveness.
How much do you bench press?
Another question that doesn’t assess the subject’s physical conditioning. This question is trying to get at the physical condition of the subject. Since it only uses one benchmark, bench press, it doesn’t accurately assess the subject. Therefore a pro boxer who would definitely have a well defined chest but not necessarily a lift that much (having a large chest muscles don’t really help you in punching) would have a lower score than the guy who goes to the gym and only does bench press. Furthermore the upper limit penalty may not be warranted. While many woman may detest “bodybuilder” types, it is usually because they consider them vain not because of necessarily physical issues. If a man actually has a reason to be that strong/big (i.e. works on a farm, athlete, construction worker, etc) then it actually can become an asset.
Do you have a car?
This is a really subjective question and really depends on where you live. I live in the outer area’s of NYC and own a car. It may be an asset in the outer areas but it definitely isn’t in the area’s inside and immediately around Manhattan. Public transportation and taxi service is so good in those areas while parking is really bad (think next to impossible). Thus in metropolitan areas such as NYC where you live will give you better dating status than if you own a car.
Have you ever played a leading role in a team sport?
I think this question should be changed to “Have you ever played a leading role in a team/group situation?”
This question is trying to assess leadership experience. Of course it is only assessing it in one context team sports. Since many individuals may have never participated in team sports but have had experience in team leadership. Think about the individual who becomes a military team/group leader during a time of war (like right now). They definitely have superior experience in leadership than the captain of the football team.
What is your occupation?
This is a good question. I just think that you have to really rethink about status. You have military officer as a neutral status job while college professor is high status. There is no way your bottom rung college professor is even in the same league as your low end professional athlete. Furthermore there are some low-neutral status jobs that should get plus one’s. For example police and fireman have dating advantages over regular occupations.
How many friends have you met through the internet that you have never seen in person?
Unless your are trying to say that you are a loser if you waste time meeting people over the internet or having cyber relationships I don’t the point of this question. I think a better measure would be a ration of online friends/offline friends. Friends should also be defined: I am sure that if I went to Barak Obama’s myspace page he would have tons of “friends” that he never will ever meet. Obviously he isn’t an antisocial guy.
What is your IQ?
I am kind of skeptical with this one particularly with the weights given on the upper end of the spectrum. I will let this one slide due to lack of information though.
Have you ever been in a serious fight where real punches were thrown and you felt like you wanted to kill your opponent(s)?
This one is also really silly. Firstly because the objective of combatants in any conflict is to win not to necessarily kill. If you read books on military strategy (Art of War, Warfighting, etc). Thus a person who fights to kill with no need to kill has some dangerous emotional instability (usually a big turn-off/deal breaker). Secondly if one did get into a fight with the intent to kill the real question is did they really kill their opponents? If not then I would have to deduct from the score. Having the ability to kill is a bigger turn on than intent to kill. While most women will like an element of danger in their man (potential to kill/harm) they find violent men (intent to kill/harm) scary. That is why many women will hook up with bouncers, cops, thugs, soldiers, martial artists and other tough guys but not around psychopaths so much. Just take a look at a night club or bar after a fight. The guy who knocks out a guy or two in front of his girlfriend is probably going to have some good sex that night especially if they were justified. The rapid dog that doesn’t realize the fight is over and always wants to escalate is in danger of losing his girl.
Have you ever been arrested?
Another one that is silly. This one is trying to either discern the subject’s willingness to break rules and or take risks. In any case either of these questions could be asked directly “What is your willingness to take risks” or “How often are you willing to take risks” and “Are you willing to break rules and/or the law?” Thus the guy who got arrested for possessing marijuana now has a higher score than the bartender who is stealing money from his greedy boss.
21. You’ve just met a cute girl in a club and have been talking with her for five minutes when she abruptly changes the topic to a raunchy conversation about her multiorgasmic ability.
This one is very subjective and really depends on the context. For example answer “a” might be the best answer if you are at a swinger party. If you are in a dungeon or swingers party answers “b” and “c” would be wholly inappropriate.
Question “19” is basically seems to ask if one uses “cocky/funny” methodologies. In general questions 20-27 are question that are all based on Mystery Method. Thus if one doesn’t subscribe to the MM school of thought (i.e. Direct Game) one would do badly on those questions. Additionally there is no accounting for how the material is delivered (calibration) therefore one can either sound quite assertive or a jerk depending on the situation. Finally in general this test also completely fails to measure certain attributes such as confidence, caring, humor and drive: all of which are highly desirable traits.
Snake Eyez
Alphadominance,
I concur. Yes, I would want a man to be my intellectual equal. I find it sad that your experience taught you that you need to skew the way you present yourself (and your mind) so dramatically in order for others to relate to you. What about your need to relate? Why are you (apparently) boring yourself, just to appease others?
This is my main issue with all this theoretical dating phenomena – once all these supposed rules are broken down into numbers, people become cold and functional in their approach, there’s no more genuine interaction, instinct is obsolete. Which makes the whole practice dissatisfying.
taramokhtari,
eroswheel put it well above. If you are an outlier and demand that your dates are equivalent in whatever quality, you limit yourself to an infinitesimally small pool of candidates. You can either live with this, or recognize that everyone has their own strengths and abilities and appreciate them for whatever they are.
Perhaps a woman I’m dating has an IQ of 120, so is reasonably intelligent, but is very creative and artistic, or beautiful, or has social intelligence. One can still relate in these other areas and they bring their own gifts. We are the summation of our qualities. I’d rather relate at the level someone is on, than not at all. With many people it is much like relating with children, though you aren’t in the same place, it can still be rewarding.
Instinct is far from obsolete. It is a human conceit to think we transcend our animal natures. If this were so, there wouldn’t be nearly as much commonality of experience. People are banally similar when you get down to the core essence of the matter.
That said, a reductionist approach to human behavior and indeed many areas is not incompatible with real experience. Does understanding the biology of physics which endow the universe with boundless beauty and variety lessen the wonder one feels in observing it? I think not; if anything it merely increases one’s appreciation for the vast possibilities with which the universe is replete. It is awe-inspiring, yet most have little appreciation for it.
Sure, academic intelligence is only one of (potentially) infinite paths to an inspired connection. I was basing my comment on your reference to insipid men and women, and the inference that most of the women you date are NOT interesting.
If your sentiment about how people are all “banally similar” is your genuine experience as much as it is valid theoretically, I won’t worry about you.
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Our similarities far outweigh our differences certainly. As the old trope goes, we all bleed red. You need not “worry” about me. I’d say few of the people any of us date are that interesting or are so in different realms if they are. That is why a real connection is refreshing, it is typically both rare and fleeting despite our similarities and valuable for its contrast with most interactions in life. Whether insipid or banal, the nut of the issue is the same.
#28. How embittered are you?
(A). Women are repulsed by your snarl from across the room.
(B). Women sense your underlying bitterness at the time of your warning. ““If you’re gonna be one of those flaky girls, tell me now so I can delete your number. Nobody likes those types.”
(C). When a woman flakes, you understand that she’s just not that into you. You go running to burn off the frustration and return refreshed to take on the next.
(A) -20
(B) -10
(C) +50
A lot of these points are simply earned by being older and having a career, but I suppose that in many cases, this applies to normal everyday life. Since college is a weird area as far as social dynamics work anyway, there’s a lot less…..formalities in dating, which leads to faster everything, regardless of income or occupation. Car ownership is also irrelevant, as well as the “house party” qualifier. I’d be interested to see how my greater beta status fares once I have a real life.
R directed our attention to: “35-45 years old: 0 points”
THAT is realistic. As is the under 25 being negative. Kudos on you, sir bastard.
“over 145: -1 point”
Ya, that’s cute, but it assumes aspergers onto every clever person. Not a bad assumption, but too crisp.
“(C) “No, but you can buy me one.”
You don’t get points for knowing pat answers. A simple stare down could work better.
“10 to 14: A few attractive girls in the bar will be intrigued by your presence. But you need game to close the deal.”
It’s been said that women who were attractive are handicapped by not needing a personality.
I posit that men that don’t need game are vacuous.
Alphadominance,
Your descriptions and posts hit remarkably close to home for this reader. I regularly have to “dumb down” interactions with people, and often feel like I am talking to children. Those who have not walked in our shoes really just don’t understand how big the intellectual gap can be.
On the plus side, there are bright women that will fight and bust their ass to keep up with you. I’ve managed to find such a critter, and while in terms of raw intellect I come out on top, she works really hard to keep the gap small.
I only score 10 on this test, but could likely get 15 through behavioral changes. I began understanding game after entering a long term relationship, and most of my game skills are centered around maintaining that relationship rather than new pickup. (The test seems a little geared toward new/short term pickup.)
You have no idea how the sexual dynamic works. See http://www.laddertheory.com/.
Im a gay male, 30, and i think this test is somewhat accurate in N American society. I scored 16 and if i was more of an asshole, id have scored higher…
I worte that it is somewhat accurate in N American culture because thats how thiungs are. I understand people on here say how its made for frat guys who havent grown up or losers or douches, but, thats the game we play and liove in. You may not aggree that things should be that way, but guess what? touch luck. dont hate the player(s), hate the game.
A lot of these questions are scenerios, but some do deal with physical looks. the main question missed was hjow hung is a guy? And dont reject this saying that dick size isnt known until sex has occured (and then youve already gotten your ‘lay’) – People love to talk about big dicks and if a guy/friend has a large cock, his friends will know and theres a chance, so with possible suiters.
I think #28 should read:
How hung are you?
<5″ : -1
5-6″: 0
6-7″: +1
7-8″: +2
8+”: +3
How girthy are you?
20 (2+ for length and 2+ for girth) with the above missing question.
I think they guy who made this didnt forget, but left out the one factor that takes away his alpha male status.
so funny that the guys who look like Abrocrombi models and are the alpha jocks also have 5″ dicks. Trust me, a HUGE percentage of muscle guys are compensating. (look at guys who started working out at a young age, aqlot realized their short coming and start to do whatever they can at a y oung age.)
*being slim myself, i got by with a handsome face and big cock… being 30 and with a little rerceding hairline, i guess its trime i comp0ensate with a hot bod.
Dentin,
Love the image of a roomful of ‘bright’ women busting their collective ‘ass’ to keep up with you… Like some kind of elaborate interpretive dance.
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Why are points being given to a man over 35 with a full head of hair, but not under? The scoring is skewed to favor older men.
If a man has a high paying and prestigious job, he will get a lot more than one point, and if he doesn’t have a car or money or hair he will lose a lot more than one point.
27 BMI is optimal. See this study: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442
75% waist to shoulder ratio is optimal for men. you should include this on your list [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness]
90% waist to hip ratio is optimal for men. [http://www.gazette.uwo.ca/article.cfm?section=Arts&articleID=1568&month=02&day=14&year=2007]
And don’t forget chest hair: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article855409.ece
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Go fuck yourself with a loaf of bread
you should look in a mirror and ask your self should i kill myself
Women and their expectations.
When men don’t look at women they think they are gay, when men ook at women they look away.
to simpifly this test.
gets lots of money and a car and the rest doesn’t matter.
or
get big muscles and be a social idiot who no one likes but carries on anyway you get the women.
life is not a cosmo test
There are some cool points in this test, and some idiocy (like, a ‘full head of hair’ matters…Neil Strauss is said to resemble Moby and he’s gotten more *ss than a toilet seat)…but thanks for the cool lines.
Best, K.K.
http://www.RockHerWorld.Net
Anyone that just walks away in the middle of a conversation isn’t being better with women, they are being a weird jerk.
Said the beta. Ho ho ho! There is pattern to all answers here and you cannot see which makes you certain beta at best. Psychological messaging is key part of game and not driven by rational mind; even if rational mind rejects as weird female will still be intrigued subliminally by such action.
Interesting test, scored a 14 pretty on par with my game at this point in my life.
This is pretty shitty as well :/
I suspect any guy with major intelligence would have thought himself out of his dependency by the time he gets to 30, and be well on the road to monkishness. -1 looks about right.
pretty inaccurate.
I’ve never taken a real IQ test, but have the education/grades to say mine is between 140 and 155. Intelligence is like an addiction to me – and that does get in between me and pussy. However, a high IQ guy that seriously pursues PUA skills, and stops getting all his kicks from being more logically minded than everyone else, will get really, really good. Cajun is a good example of this.
I would like to trade blogrolls with you.
My site is http://www.christiandating.savingarelationship.com
I think it would be a great way to build both our sites
Tyler
info@tasteemaketing.com
Good test. To the women out there and the guys that think this test isn’t “real” go to a bar and try it. I am reasonably attractive, well built and in the 135 IQ range. And I still had problems with women. I can talk and socialize with groups and coworkers. However women have always been my Achilles ’ heel. However when you apply the MM or pretty much any of the current PUA material out there, it works. Smart men often want to see the logic in things and with women (and humans by-in-large), they are emotionally driven. So you show the logic behind the emotional triggers that are prebuilt into women, smart men begin to assimilate the information and get women. With that reward, men see the method gets results and thus adopt a new behavioral pattern with is successful for survival and replication.
In real life, Women are attracted to and date jerks because those men see what they want and go for it. And women like confidence, congruence, status, and health which most jerks have, thus they get women and pre-selection as well. So while we may wish this were different, reality is what it is. So while women have ruled the area of human social/sexual interactions for hundreds of years, as they have the (artificially limited) supply (sex) and men have the (unlimited) demand. Men are now being taught and using female psychology against them as they use ours against us and they are now very discontented. I say too bad.
Regards,
Mr. Alighieri
“I don’t make the rules, I just play by them.”
There’s a common misconception that women are attracted to and date ‘jerks’. In actuality, unless they make the first move, women are going to date pretty much whoever goes for them (selectively, of course). You can have confidence, status, health, etc., without being a ‘jerk’. Some men adopt a ‘jerk’ persona to cover up their insecurities when they approach women, which is actually needless. But ‘nice guys’ lose out because shyness doesn’t get them anywhere. ‘Nice guys’ can actually be worse than ‘jerks’ because a lot of them are only ‘nice’ when they want something.
Best, K.K.
http://www.RockHerWorld.net
Fun and interesting.
My husband earned about 16 points. Not that surprising when I think about it. Very confident, not swayed by opinions of others at all, no doormat tendencies and attracts higher status people to himself. Although introverted, he is the type people listen to and follow, a master delegator. I am always amazed at how he can get people to do stuff for him, and want his approval. He is average looking, and didn’t date much since his standards were high. So his friends were surprised when told them we were getting married. I am reasonably attractive, about a 7 compared to other women my age at the time, but only 20 years old, nearly 9 years younger, and very slim vs. his guy friends with their fat, bossy 30 something wives.
7. Market Value can be increased by having a manly but not cliched car, such as a vintage Ford Galaxie. It can be seriously diminished with a girl car such as Smart or Miata.
9. Aggression based sports team, to be specific. Being the lead of the golf team isn’t going to help. Football, rugby, bball, hockey: yes.
10. Bartenders, bouncers, DJs, drug dealers, personal trainers are +2
el chief,
On #10, I would add being a Yoga instructor (but not merely a practitioner), or a Latin Dance master. Those may not seem that manly at first, but they are great, as :
1) Yoga enables you to mine a rich source of material on mental state, stimulation, Kama Sutra, etc.
2) Latin Dance has strong gender roles, and ensures early kino.
3) Both activities have three times as many women as men.
So these two activities can be fruitful too, provided you become genuinely skilled at either.
Tood,
Perhaps. Those seem like good jobs for getting quality tail, but I’m not sure if they up your market value, outside of the women in your class.
A woman can’t brag to her friends about her yoga instructor boyfriend, the same way she can about her bartender.
I agree though, easy ass to be had.
Side note, I wonder what is Roissy’s most commented post?
el chief,
I don’t know – the contrast between general vs. specific market value comes into play.
Being a good football player has a certain prestige. But since most women aren’t interested in football, it just has tangential ‘macho’ market value.
Being an instructor in Salsa dance, however, provides many, many openings through which to generate rapport with a woman, and do a lot of kino early.
Brute masculine vs. Don Juan masculine….
I would bet on the pickup skills of the Salsa instructor over the star football player any day, even if the football player is much tougher.
Wit counts most for a lot of women. Personally I prefer wits than looks.
Some of this stuff is good, but some of it is crap as others pointed out.
1) Simply leaving to the bathroom without saying anything GETS you a point, whereas saying a normal “excuse me” is actually worse? Give me a break.
2) True, being very intelligent can hurt you but NOT because you are intelligent. Usually it’s because
* you spend your days working less with people and more with abstract mumbo jumbo – insufficient social understanding
* you are too logical and don’t understand that emotions are easily shared between people (many PUAs have this mistake too)
* your standards are too high and you have a Madonna/Whore complex due to your upbringing
* your social circle sucks in terms of female opportunities
These are the real variables, not intelligence.
3) PROFESSION is huge. In general pick a profession that interacts with a lot of women and portray it. Including:
bartender
director, actor
musician
modeling agent
hairdresser
photographer for modeling
Really there are many paths to meeting women. Men in al the professions above see a lot of different women (including hot ones) and know how to vibe with them. Women feel comfortable around them. They in turn can get a lot of poon if they become systematic about it.
As you say yourself Roissy, having actual “alpha” characteristics doesn’t get you laid, actual real world scenarios get you laid.
Also where is the freakin height on this list?
Women’s #1 physical checklist item usually.
Guess there’s no way to delete that last comment
DAMN!!!!!!!!!! I am classic beta…. fuck
(then again is not like I didn’t know I had major work to do.)
@havanna
You’ve come to the right place.
The more points you get on this list, the less likely I would be to talk to you for more than 30 seconds. I love myself some beta!
This survey was jokes!
But obviously this dude is an online geek wangksta, frontin like he knows the dating game inside out.
I didnt touch on some crucial subject because again he is a reject who doesnt know game.
1) Profession-Job
– Is a huge factor in dating chicks. I used to be a bouncer and a personal trainer at a womens only gym and I chopped more women through those two jobs then this Roissy queer as ever jacked off too in his life. On the other end if you balling like a docter or lawyer you can run alot of game too.
2) Grooming-Clothes
– This queer didnt even mention clothing or style (cuz obviously he doesnt have any) and how chicks put a high price on appearance. For example, Ive met women who the first thing they do is look at the kind of shoes a guy is rawking. If the shoes are wore out or unstylish (ie gay, worn out running shoes), the womans legs become permanently shut and shes kicking yo ass to the curb.
This a a retarded test!!!!
Only crack-heads will answer those questions!!!!
I’m looking for an awesome beta geek with an engineering job and a big heart. This is funny.
“But you can still fuck up by being yourself.”
Hell, no, we can’t have that. What we must have is everyone running some pre-pubescent role-playing scam where no one has to actually be real with anyone else. Hey, that works real well for establishing the trust and vulnerability that lets in love.
I’m sorry you’re having such a difficult time. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Your own “market value” is somewhere in the area of -542.
What a piece of trash.
What a strange, sad little garden gnome you are.
Look the ferminist can use shaming language that is so cute.
Seriously your like a little puppy.
All shame no backing.
Only destroy no understanding of what to fix.
No suggestions on the perfect man.
No positive item whatsoever
Just that someone else is a gnome and also sad too no less.
I thought you liked games? Mine is amusing myself at y’all’s expense. “Don’t hate the player.”
Speaking of which, can you play “Melancholy Baby?” +5 points if you can.
Wow, this is actually quite brilliant!
*applause*
According to your little test, I fall well within the beta male range. I am about 5′8″, slightly overweight(but still in good shape and have broad shoulders and muscles, just a bit of a beer belly too). I am also over 35 now. I am not a millionaire, far from it. I have ADHD which has made it difficult to stay in a conventional career, in spite of my over 145 IQ. I am currently more of a starving artist type. However, I have slept with over 40 women. None of these women were fat, and most were quite hot imo. Currently I am engaged to this hottie who is several years younger than me and makes several times as much money as I do.
How did I accomplish this? Frankly I am not sure, but I didn’t use this PUA stuff on the women I have bedded, I didn’t know it even existed until recently. I think a couple of factors have helped me. One is that I am adventerous and artistic, and women consider me more exciting than other men they have been with. The other reason is probably because I actually go out and talk to women, and ask them out if I like them. They don’t always say yes, but the simple act of putting yourself out there and trying will give you more success than sitting around wondering where you rank on some silly scale. After enough tries (and heartache) I finely found a woman worth marrying, in spite of my “beta” status.
-16
Fuck YEAH! Where my fembots at?
Wait they´re already everywhere.
This was a hoot, as is the whole site. Love it.
Found this site yesterday, and about all the hoops you people jump through, just to pump&dump these bitches endlessly.
Obviously(see name) I´m a bit stumped why I should bother at all.
Having peace and quiet and not somebody who “tests” me eternally (aka nags) is a bad thing how?
Yeah, never had pussy and probably never will.
There are worse things.
Like having to decipher shit test and proper responses comes to mind.
Jolly fat hermit out.
taramokhtari’s right. A lot of women like old trucks. I used to have a ‘66 Ford F100. Women were totally into it.
Looking for a chick magnet? Forget the Ferrari, get an old truck.
The women’s quiz made me laugh — a woman’s hotness is augmented when she doesn’t laugh at your small penis, eh? Insecure much?
90% of the men’s quiz seems to be variations on that old chestnut, the neg. Yawn.
Seems like roissy is overthinking this stuff. All these little tips and tricks add up to a ridiculous amount of effort.
I’m sorry, but guys who are 8/9/10 out of 10 good looking don’t need the mind games. Your “neg” philosophy is insane.
Thanks, Roissy, for five minutes of entertainment — and a day’s worth of disgust. I saw the dating test for women first. I shudder to think what you believe is a “quality” guy. I don’t want to be within a hundred yards of any one of them.
shoot it’s not about your IQ it’s about how you use it. Most guys I know who are above the 140 mark could get half the women in the room to sleep with them in a second. The problem is where you store your brains, in your pocket protector or in your hands. A guy with a 140 IQ who sticks in his cave and never comes out is useless and of course loses points. A guy who comes out and uses that brain for all sorts of things will get laid faster. there’s a reason the original American PUA was Ben Franklin, he knew to use his brain and to leave the lab once in awhile. Women threw themselves at him because 1 he had game, 2 he knew how to use that brain to enchant the women, 3 he could talk to anyone anywhere about anything. You talk about gaining points, the guy who can talk with one woman about engineering and her friend about poetry, that guy has cleared the playing field of all comers. It’s his house. He’s also the guy who will take every other guy in that room down two notches if they approach because they’ll say something which his wit will erode. Don’t knock the smart guys they got game that outclasses the best PUA
Alpha: 20, just! Went to a good school (and grad school), work as a stockbroker, been in fights, even got arrested (DUI, once). Not afraid to communicate my pro-White views or my opinions of muds such as negroes and hispanics. It doesn’t hurt that I’m tall, fit, and Nordic-looking, a little bit like Bjorn Borg.
But I was raised to be a beta. Church and parents suppressed my savage instincts, and I grew up a nice, respectable conservative Republican–albeit one who was bored out of his mind. Most of my friends were WASPs and Jews with obscure intellectual interests. But gradually my natural alpha proclivities began to show, namely in an obsession with getting pussy (mission usually accomplished) and willingness to fight–which I often did, in my tailored pinstriped suit, Brooks Brothers shirt and tasseled loafers.
At about this time it dawned on me that what my girlfriends had been telling me for years–that I had a big cock–wasn’t just a pleasant compliment or morale-booster (not that I needed it), but the truth. Armed with that realization, when I walked into bars I let my dick do the choosing, confident in the knowledge that I was packing a pussy-pleasing monster in my well-tailored trousers.
Later, at around age 30 I suddenly realized that to get women all you had to do was treat them like shit. Be confident, be assertive–and treat the females with contempt. Once I digested this simple rule, I had women practically knocking me down to date me. Enough with chivalry and romantic love. That shit is for suckers.
Eventually, as I got older (I’m pushing 40 now) and moved to Southern California, I discovered the cougar phenomenon and suddenly my sex life got even better. And, amazing as it may seem, I’m finding that it’s not that difficult to pick up the odd 19 or 25-year old hottie.
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Q18 is retarded. I get the correlation between being in trouble with the cops and being a sexy “bad boy” in high school, but if you grew up in a decent neighborhood the cops probably didn’t formally arrest you, just threw you in the car and brought you home and let your parents deal with it. I was in the back of a cop car a number of times, but was never cuffed and read my rights and brought to trial; hence my answer was no.
And as for being arrested when you’re an adult, in 90% of the cases of people who got a point for that it would be either for drunk driving or drug possession, and I don’t see what’s cool about either of those. Drunk driving is just dumb, and a drug arrest doesn’t mean you are the only guy who was cool enough to have drugs, it means you are the stupid bastard who got caught.
I bet that Tantric(Firs Comment) is a woman…If you are, tell me, that approach you suggest ever worked with you?
If you are a man, have that approach ever worked for you?
Regards.
@William: Do you murder beautiful models or something, I could have swore that was a passage out of American Psycho. I’d steer clear of him ladies, you might end up being chased by a madman with an axe.
As for this quiz intelligence is far more important than job status and car ownership. Rippling muscles are not important as long as you can help move a couch. I’ve also dated reletively older and younger guys and neither worked out for me. I found to be more compatible with guys my own age. I’d say my limit is five year older, nothing more. The guy I’m dating now is a year older than me and we understand each other. There’s no bullshit games or of mind fucks between us.
If you want to “sport fuck” or “pump and dump” hoe’s by all means do it, however you’re going to lead a lonely life. Not that I’m promoting monogomy or marriage, but meeting people and sharing ideas and incredible moments is what it’s all about. Try out different types of men, I never thought I’d be with a hippie, and I am.
Long story short…too late; variety is the spice of life.
Fuck. I’m 11. Shit.
17 points, FUCK YEAH! And I haven’t even stopped improving myself!
Also, what the hell is up with being arrested counting as a +1? Where I live it means you are a loser that got himself arrested, if you are really cool you don’t get arrested because you know the cops or just because you’re a cool guy like that.
Hey Faggots,
My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch
So what is lacking in your life john?
Tell us all about it.
Maybe
it will be the
revelation
that changes everything.
Captain of the football team. Starter on your basketball team.
Whoop-de-fuckin’-do.
Enjoy these godlike accomplishments now, John, ’cause you’re going to end up giving oil changes at Jiffy Lube.
(No offense, somebody’s gotta do it). It’s funny how that works out, but almost every captain of the football team ends up being a mechanic.
Well. After all. At least i have my penis intact.
Hey there,
This is a very accurate dating market value assesment but there is only one thing i am not sure about this, and this is attractiveness. I think facial attractiveness plays a bigger role than it is being stated in this test. Take college girls, for example. They also like to prefer the hotter guys over lesser attractive ones. The importance of facial attractiveness seems to decrease with age thou. Maybe the facial attractiveness question can be extended with variables like age and facial attractiveness scale and so on. Please elaborate
Altan
I also think that another addition, racial background, can be put into the assesment. It can be done like this;
European + 1
Italian/Spanish + 2
Hispanic/Latino +1
Other Caucasian 0
Black/African 0, or -1
Middle Eastern -1
Asian 0
Indian -1
Mixed race O or +1
Don’t be offended because of the reasoning above as it only aims to reflect the biases without the aim to offend anyone. I am also a person who also sometimes suffers due to negative bias towards my race as well as i am a Turkish student. I have seen the importance of race in the social experiment i done yesterday at 2 different nightclubs; in the first nightclub mentioning my real racial background led me to 2 phone numbers, whereareas when i told them that i am spanish in the second night club, i have got 6 phone numbers. The number of girls i hit on was around the same. Of course there would be some other reasons that affected the outcome, but the unverbal feedback i was getting from the girls with the both suggested that telling them i am spanish amplified their interest.
You may argue that above criteria is mostly based on my subjective experience and that would be right, but as racial background also has an effect, it can be further worked upon to be more precise.
After reading the comments on this page, it’s good to know where I stand. I had no idea there was so little competition out there for the few women worth the time investment, and no idea there were that many girls both stupid and intelligent that are so easily pulled in.
Sadly Roissy, I am married. I know, I know, terrible travesty. But hey, she makes a point to get out of bed before me and rouses me with breakfast. She does the laundry, cleans, takes out the trash, works the bills, and runs errands while I’m at work, and has dinner waiting for me when I get home. It’s a good deal, because we both do our part in the relationship, and since she isn’t working there are no chores to worry about for either of us after a long day at work. We eat dinner, and get the whole evening to play.
I’d also like to point out that my wife isn’t your traditional American girl. She’s first generation, half Polish, half Ukrainian, so she understands how amazing gender roles can be when executed well. Also, she’s an ivy league graduate (Penn), speaks 5 languages, and definitely clocks about a 9 on a 10pt scale. 5′10, blonde, green eyes, great curves… tough to beat a setup like that. I think I made the right choice, I’d rather go out to a bar with her, see all the unhappy betas milling about, go home, and fuck each other senseless.
Sometimes the truth is the last thing we want to hear.
Altan Turkmenoglu
You have the racial scores messed up it would be :
European Accent +2
Caucasian +1
Hispanic White +1
Black 0
Hispanic Indian -1
Middle Eastern -2
Asian -5
Actually, that score for asians is too generous, most white/black/hispanic girls would not even consider asians as dating partners. I read that an Asian guy would have to make hundreds of thousands more a year to be seen as attractive as the average white man.
@Steve: Yep it makes more sense now
On a side note, i think those values can be more variable as the male physical appeareance is judged more integrated with his character by women. For example consider a middle eastern guy. If the guy is a whiter middle eastern, and he has a westernized personality, mood, “aura”, he can come up to be seen as a “passionate south european” stereotype. And thus may eliminate the minus points he gets from his origin.
If the racial features are not leaning towards extremes, that can be modified to fit into higher status states. Makes sense ?
- Do you think there is some kind of “unwritten equation” in women’s alpha status being based on one trait (physical attractiveness) but it can be preserved for a shorter time while men’s alpha status takes much more work but it can be preserved for a longer time ?
-I think the IQ question can be modified further taking into account the relativity of intelligence. The question could be “In which kind of intelligence were you developed?” and some of the answers would be:
- Technical, computer and nerdy stuff : -1
- Artisctic : +1
- Leadership skills, social intelligence, sharp wit : +2
and with other choices
The reason i think excelling in the third intelligence gives so much advantage is that it would provide a much thougher defence against women’s shit tests, regaining social posture etc.
- Back in the time where the “game” was not know publicly thanks to guys like Roissy, the men who “didn’t get it” was most probably going no further than fapping all their life. So how much a man who is programmed to be wussy, nerdy and beta can get from the game?
Learning the game and changing where you go is a really revolutionary step when you think that %99 of betas before were condemned to their miserable life all their life.
Let me start from the beginning, I am 18 and my sister is 21. I just finished high school and my sister is home from college. I guess this year her grades started slipping or something, because I walked past her room and she was crying. I walked inside her room to ask her what’s up and she hands me a letter – apparently she’s up for review by her college for dismissal. I feel kinda sorry for her so I gave her a hug and one thing led to another and we started making out. This is really weird because I’ve made out with girls before, but my sister blows them all out of the water. In the back of my mind lies the fact that she’s my sister and what we are doing is sick and wrong, but I guess my sister has more experience and it felt so fucking good.
Here’s the dilemma – after making out, Karen started taking her clothes off and she started pulling my pants down. I’m like, hey, what are you doing? She’s like, oh come on Jordan, aren’t you even a LITTLE curious? I felt bad because its true, my sister is a hottie and I always wished that she wasn’t my sister. I’ve even gone as far as to fap to thoughts of doing her. She then said “For tonight, let’s not be brother and sister. I really need this because I feel like shit right now and our parents won’t be back till late and we aren’t going to tell anyone.
I pretty much just fucked my sister. No, to be more honest, I just lost my virginity to my sister.
This is all a joke!
Sure alot of this stuff gives you a better with certain levels of girls. Being tall is always a plus, having money is always a plus, and being smart is always a plus. This is all the same stuff that women have talked about since the beginning of pick up.
The ONLY key is how you carry yourself. Be confident in what you are and what you do and you will run sh%t. Sure you will get NOs. No one bats 1000%.
Don’t bend with hot b%tchy girls – just jab right back at them and don’t ever get fazed. Be even more aggressive and confident in your moves. That’s the key to picking up 8s, 9s, and 10s.
As for average chicks, play along any game that they are into. If they are talking about work then just play as you have the greatest job ever. If they talk about muscles and lifting just act as you are a gym nut. Personally I think average girls are boring to pick up because they are so predictable and easy to close.
This test is absolutely 100% correct. Maybe i say that just because i scored over the average…
Hahaha, -6 here…
I’m just gonna go kill myself.
This test is for faggots. Anyone that thinks he’s a alphamale or even remotely thinks that dating is done in ‘leagues’ is a tremendous faggot. I will find and beat the shit out of you
This is fairly biased. Really. Shitheads and Wifebeaters score the best? Ahahahahahaahaa. Someone must like it rough.
+6 here.
+1 if you’re unhealthily skinny.. lolololol, really? None of the 35 chicks I dated has said she was into anorexic guys. This test is a good joke. Anyone who takes something to heart from someone who says “Booty will stick to you like bird shit to a car roof” will be sorely disappointed in the real world lol..
Goes to show not even women know what they fucking want. This is extremely biased, and based on a minorities ideology 9/10 times it contradicts itself – seems like we’re looking for the bogan womans PERFECT wife-beating, singlet wearing, mullet growing jailbird, who’s also high level job owning(wtf?) 100KG bench-pressing skinny-ass motherfucking unfunny funnyman(yeah, this one threw me too), who needs to be smart enough to run a business but not be smart enough to actually achieve a high level IQ.
And worse of all. You want corny pick-up lines?
Women like this are the reason I’ll gladly stay single and pick up a couple of bimbos at a bar to fuck. Why bother doing anything else? I actually feel sorry for the poor motherfuckers who are trying to pick a wife out of this bunch.
Enjoy life, faggots. It’ll be short, and you’ll end up dying of some bastard mix of STIs.
10. What is your occupation?
Made new odering……
High status (doctor, executive, professor, successful artist or musician or writer, professional athlete, etc.): +1 point
Neutral status (business owner, engineer, programmer, accountant, salesman, mid level manager, scientist, military officer, well-paid tradesman, etc.): 0 points
Low status (low paid blue collar, admin, construction, janitor, struggling web designer, help desk, etc.): -1 point
Fail status (stockbroker): -10
“Actually, that score for asians is too generous, most white/black/hispanic girls would not even consider asians as dating partners. I read that an Asian guy would have to make hundreds of thousands more a year to be seen as attractive as the average white man.”
*sigh* You should talk to someone about that inferiority complex.
If all other factors were the same (ie. style, fitness, attitude, language), an Asian would have little to no difference his success picking up a girl from any of those races than a white guy would.
Amateurs.