by Roissy
UPDATE:
I’ve adjusted the scoring and categories a bit because the test was skewed somewhat toward lower scores. For those who have arguments with my scoring system, understand that it is based on averages. I’m sure everyone knows a 34 year old woman who is just as hot as the average 22 year old girl, but the exceptions don’t make the rules.
And a note on BMI:
I used the 1959 Met Life height-weight insurance charts as guides as they are the most accurate (before American “grade inflation” made obese the new normal). A 5′10″ 140lb woman would have a BMI of 20.1, which puts her well within the most desirable BMI category.
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If you are a woman, this test will measure your dating market value. The higher the number, the better quality man you can catch. The lower the number, the more likely you will find yourself surrounded by cats. Unlike the male version of this test, here I have added a sliding scale to some of the questions because this better reflects the outsized importance that certain factors have on a woman’s total sexual value.
Guys, you may take this quiz for your girlfriends or wives to see if you have settled for tepid sex once a week or if you always get hard looking at her and never forget her birthday.
1. How old are you?
15 to 16 years old: +5 points
17 to 20 years old: +10 points
21 to 25 years old: +8 points
26 to 29 years old: +3 point
30 to 33 years old: 0 points
33 to 36 years old: -1 point
37 to 40 years old: -5 points
41 to 45 years old: -8 points
46 to 49 years old: -10 points
over 49: you’ve hit the wall. waysa?
2. How important is makeup to your appearance?
It slightly enhances my looks: 0 points
I look like a different woman with makeup: -1 point
I’m a natural beauty. My morning face looks the same as my evening face: +1 point
3. What is your IQ? (This relates tangentially to your ability to connect emotionally with a man.)
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 100: 0 points
101 to 120: +1 point
121 to 145: 0 points
Over 145: -1 point
*****
The following ten questions deal with the physical attractiveness of your body.
4. Your breast size is:
Bee stings up to A cup: -1 point
B cup: 0 points
C cup: +1 point
D cup, naturally firm: +2 points
DD cup, firm: +1 point
E cup and up: 0 points
5. Your breasts look firm and pert when you wear:
A bra: 0 points
An underwire push-up bra: -1 point
Nothing: +1 point
6. How long are your legs in relation to your height?
Long: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: -1 point
7. What is the shape of your ass?
Flat: -1 point
Round and fleshy: +1 point
Round, fleshy, and firm: +2 points
Flat and saggy: -2 points
Just average: 0 points
8. How flat is your stomach?
Cutting board flat: +1 point
Slight pouch: 0 points
Muffin top: -1 point
Flabby beer gut and fupa: -10 points
9. How toned are your upper arms?
Very toned, I can see my triceps: +1 point
Average, not flabby: 0 points
If I hold my arm out, I can wobble the fat underneath my upper arm: -1 point
10. How big are your hands?
Delicate piano fingers, proportionally small: +1 point
Average size: 0 points
Manhands: -1 point
11. Where is there hair on your body?
My head and pubic area only: +1 point
I have to shave my legs daily and wax my bushy eyebrows: 0 points
I have dark forearm hair and a mustache: -1 point
Nipples, asscrack, and that giant mole on my back: -2 points
12. Get a tape ruler and measure around your waist and your hips. Divide your waist number by your hip number. This ratio is:
0.65 to 0.75: +1 point
0.55 to 0.64: 0 points
under 0.55: -1 point
0.76 to 0.85: 0 points
0.85 to 0.95: -1 point
over 0.95: -2 points
13. What is your BMI?
(Go here to calculate your BMI. The scoring of female BMI varies somewhat from that of male BMI because aesthetics, not just general health, have to be taken into consideration.)
under 14.1: -10 points
14.1 to 15.0: -5 points
15.1 to 16.5: 0 points
16.6 to 17.4: +3 points
17.5 to 21.0: +10 points
21.1 to 23.0: +3 points
23.1 to 24.5: 0 points
24.6 to 28.0: -5 points
28.1 to 33.0: -10 points
over 33.0: stop taking this quiz. you get nothing! you lose! good day madam!
*****
The next ten questions are the section of the test that measures your facial beauty. Since so much of a woman’s dating market value resides in the appeal of her face, I have chosen to examine some traits in finer detail. To illustrate how very subtle changes in facial characteristics can mean the difference between beautiful and ugly, look at these two photos:
I do not even have to label these photos because almost all my readers viewing them, men and women, will instinctively know which is the hot girl and which is not. Remember this the next time someone tells you beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
14. On a scale of 1 to 10, how pretty are you?
Note: Do not bother soliciting the opinions of the following people, because they will not give you a truthful answer.
Your family.
Your heterosexual female friends.
Your homosexual male friends.
Your heterosexual male friends who would sleep with you given the chance.
Instead, put your pic up on hotornot and check back in a week. Otherwise, go with what you’ve overheard through the grapevine by people who weren’t your close friends, or suck it up and try to be as honest with yourself as possible. Lesbians will also give you an accurate appraisal as long as it is through a third party and not directly to your face. Use the photos above as guidelines. Adjust your rating based on how close your facial morphology matches one or the other.
0: don’t bothering finishing this test.
1 to 2: -10 points
3 to 4: -5 points
5: -1 point
6: +2 points
7: +5 points
8 to 9: +8 points
10: +12 points
15. How clear is your skin?
No acne, blemishes, or poorly located moles: 0 points
Some combination of the above: -1 point
People are always telling you how silky smooth your skin looks: +1 point
16. Do you have any noticeable deformities?
Yes, minor: -1 point
Yes, major: -10 points
No: 0 points
17. How full are your lips?
Pencil thin: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Juicily plump: +1 point
Weirdly oversized: 0 points
18. How high is your forehead?
Low: -1 point
Average: 0 points
High: +1 point
19. How long is your jawline from ear to chin?
Long: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: +1 point
20. How big is your chin?
Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point
21. How big is your nose?
Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point
22. In proportion to the size of your face, are your eyes:
Large and saucer-like: +1 point
Normal-sized: 0 points
Small and beady: -1 point
23. Is the distance between your eyes:
Wide: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Narrow: -1 point
The bottom line on female facial beauty is that as the lower half of her face becomes smaller and more delicate, making her eyes and cheekbones appear more prominent, the better looking she will be.
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The final eleven questions measure your femininity, sexiness, and pleasing personality traits. This is the closest to “game” that women have at their disposal. It isn’t much, which is why the scoring is lowest in this section.
24. You frequently wear sexy lingerie, even when not prepping for a hot date.
Yes: +1 point
Special occasions only: 0 points
Never. Ripped and stained comfy granny panties only: -1 point
25. When someone gets hurt you are the first to ask if they are OK and to deliver aid if needed.
Almost always: +1 point
Occasionally: 0 points
Almost never: -1 point
26. You are highly competitive and often play co-ed team sports.
Yes, and I will throw an elbow if necessary. My shelf is filled with trophies: -1 point
I like to exercise on nice days with one on one sports like tennis: +1 point
I’m competitive with other girls, but not guys: 0 points
27. When a guy approaches you in a bar, regardless of your attraction for him, you:
Smile and look at him: +1 point
Pretend like you don’t notice him coming: 0 points
Frown and tell him you’re talking to your friends before he even gets a chance to say Hi: -1 point
28. On a first date the check arrives for dinner and drinks. You:
Offer to split the check or even pay in full: +1 point
Smile and thank the guy when he pays for the check: 0 points
Forget to thank him after he pays for your ungrateful ass: -1 point
29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point
30. You think blowjobs are:
Great! You give them spontaneously and there’s never any doubt how much you enjoy it: +1 point
An obligation: 0 points
Gross. You gave one after your BF proposed and spit it on his shoes: -1 point
31. Do you do anal?
Yes, and it makes me come to know how much it pleases my man: +1 point
Only when I get really drunk: 0 points
Never. It’s an exit only: -1 point
32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:
3 to 10: 0 points
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
I’m a contortionist: +1 point
33. How often do you curse?
I think I said damn once: +1 point
I blurt out fuck and shit a few times a week: 0 points
My mouth is a gutter: -1 point
34. You’d best describe your sense of fashion as:
I’m a label whore: -1 point
I hide my body under baggy tees and ill-fitting jeans: -1 point
I wear casual clothing that flatters my figure: 0 points
I wear stylish clothing on weeknights and I can handle heels over 3 inches: +1 point
My flip flops have my foot imprint in them: -2 points
*****
SCORING
There is a minimum of -83 points and a maximum of 64 points to earn based on the questions asked. The reason the minimum score goes lower than the maximum score goes high is because there are a few things, such as gross obesity, old age, or a major facial deformity, that seriously negatively impact a woman’s overall rating to the point of market extinction.
The scoring breaks down as follows:
-83: You are proof that god does not exist, but that satan does.
-82 to -56: You’re an omega. If it makes you feel better you will have your choice of male omegas to bang.
-55 to -40: The majority of men are disgusted by the sight of you. Your kind will suffer most when our sexbot overlords arrive. Losers hit on you constantly figuring they have a chance.
-39 to -20: You were born to cockblock. But you’ll manage to marry a table scrap.
-19 to -5: Lesser beta. The men you want make fun of you out of earshot. You spend many years learning how to settle for mediocre betas.
-4 to 14: Classic beta. Your hot friends always gets hit on first, but if you really tramp it up you can snag a slightly better than average guy to take you home for a single night of commitment.
15 to 29: Greater beta. More than a few attractive guys will approach you. But if your personality is flawed you risk becoming a pump and dump victim.
30 to 43: You are officially a nascent alpha female. A lot of quality guys will hit on you and you will be able to pick and choose at your leisure. But don’t push it. You’re not quite hot enough to string guys along forever.
44 to 55: You’re a bona fide hottie. Nearly every guy who meets you agrees you are a hottie. So does every girl. This puts you in the top 1% of worldwide womanhood. With great power comes great responsibility, so try to limit the number of men you torture with blueballs and LJFB rejections to fewer than 100 in your social circle. As long as you are not a complete bitch, marriage with a top quality man will come easily to you.
56 to 63: Guys want you, girls want to be you. You are just short of perfection, which paradoxically means you will get hit on more than the super alpha females. You are a player’s greatest challenge, and his greatest reward, because unlike the perfect woman there is still something human about you. Sex, love, security, commitment, easy living… you have it all. Only your demons can defeat you.
64: Super Alpha. The world is yours. Life is an endless parade of joy and excitement. Your power is illimitable… for now.
I hope everyone noticed what was missing from this test:
Your job.
The amount of money you make.
Your accomplishments.
Your social status and number of friends.
Your deep and profound worldview.
Unlike the men who took my Male Dating Market Value test, I do not expect *any* women to be completely honest with themselves taking the Female Dating Market Value test. The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment. Therefore, I will be mentally subtracting 10 points from every woman who posts her score here in the comments.
Pupu would like to be the first gal to volunteer her test result:
First, it’s POSITIVE!
. Spot market value: borderline NAF
. Long-term value: GB
Pupu is very pleased with her results. Now, time for some ice cream.
How funny!
Upon reflection, Pupu adjusts her spot market value to upper-quantile GB, and her maximum long-term value to borderline GB.
Wide space between the eyes is more attractive? Are you insane?
http://www.femininebeauty.info
Yay, according to this I’m just inside a NAF with a 33 or a GB if I use Roissy’s math, which I would still be okay with. Also surprised that I get a plus for being the girl that wants to split the check or pay, but honestly it depends on the date, if I know I’m not going to want to go on a date with him again I’ll offer to split. Then when I don’t go out with him again its not like he wasted money on some girl that he’ll never go out with again, its just him paying to feed himself. I mostly do that because I know that college guys are generally pretty tight on cash. If its a good date I’ll offer to pay, but I’ve noticed that if the date goes well he will insist on paying after I offer to pay. If the guy is just a total ass I’ll let him pay, but I’ll still smile and thank him. Just because I’ll be hoping to never see him again and avoiding his phone calls doesn’t mean manners have to go out the window.
Why don’t you post a picture of yourself? We need to see how ugly someone really is to be as mean spirited and sociopathic as you happen to be. Shut the fuck up and keep your fucked up ideas to yourself… If only assholes can get women then why are you having such a hard time? You happen to score high in that trait.
huh, doubt you would want to subtract 10 points from me. you can go to my site and see pics for yourself.
anyways, i got a 45. i am very happy with myself, self-assessment is cake…
ciao.
The personality traits this test calls for often absurdly contradictory. You want a woman who loves anal sex but doesn’t use profanity? Good luck!
Well I scraped in at 55 points. Lost points for having an above average IQ, and swearing too much.
I’d say if you took into account how much I drink, my PhD, my loner-writer sensibility, and the fact that most of my friends are attractive, creative, successful males you could never hope to measure up to… You’d have failed me on the spot.
Luckily, I’ve come across many a socially-inept The Game devotee, so I know you’re just upset because your mother stopped breast-feeding you too early. Don’t worry, there are plenty of PUAs in the world who will be happy to indulge your issues with women at a large fee. They can’t fix you, but they can totally take your money.
Now off to read about what you think women want from men…
47. yay! i secretly love this blog.
this math hurts my brain.
+11. Woohoo. So good to know I’m at least mildly fuckable by your standards.
so underweight women are the most desired? awesome.
so underweight women are the most desired?
no. slender women with 0.7 waist to hip ratios and 17-23 BMIs are most desired.
of course, if you’re a fatty then you’d have an incentive to classify such women as “underweight”.
Healthy BMI is 18.5 to 25. A BMI of 17.5 is not ’slender’ it is medically underweight and unhealthy.
The average UK IQ is 101, so by your standards a datable woman is: under 20; underweight; of below average intelligence; never swears; takes it up the arse (an ass is a donkey); loves blow-jobs and small cocks.
Excuse me while I wet myself laughing – “Where pretty lies perish”?? “Perpetrating as many stereotypes as I can get my hands on” may be more accurate.
dude…. you seriously define the word douche-bag. at least the site is comical, if slightly nauseating.
@Anon: England lost the rights to governing their own language when they decided they were going to ignore every H during pronunciation. Ass it is.
I’m sure you know, but you’re rather degrading. I agree with the anonymous before me.
I feel sorry for you.
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13 pt. Guess I am fuckable.
You should add 10 pt to my score cos I am a known perfectionist!
sparkerx
It seems that the fact that men judge women on appearance offends your feminine sensibilities. It is nevertheless a biological fact, just as women judge men on their ability to protect and provide.
Invariably women have an inflated opinion of their appeal, or that of their friends when they have at best moderate dating capital. By the same token they denigrate the dating capital of the truly exceptional women, dismissing them as sluts or bitches or whatever when they subconsciously recognize their superior appeal.
This is why I NEVER would take a woman’s recommendation on which of their friends I should meet or who they think would be perfect for me. This guarantees sure as shit that she’s at best plain and uninspiring. Invariably you end up in the awkward position of blowing her off without offending your friend who made the introduction.
I know when I have hit the jackpot with a woman when each couple we walk by consists of a gaga guy staring and a jealous woman sneering and dragging him past. Nothing pleases me more; I live for it.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=554
im 31 years. i scored 37. I was getting a lot of minus in the end… on the third part,,
Back to it, im 31, so i got zero point for age, still guys thinks im 22 and i have seen so many unattractive younger women, Whats all that with younger women? Im really satisfied with myself and im proud to be me me me
“What is your BMI?”
This is a pretty bad question for the test. BMI was created in the 1800’s in Belgium by Adolphe Quetelet. In all probability I doubt that he did a cross cultural statistical study to come up with his bmi charts. Furthermore he doesn’t account for the difference between muscle mass and body fat. Thus the two women who have the same bmi may look drastically different: i.e. the athlete v.s. the couch potato. Since this question hold so much weight (a possible +10 pts) it would be much better to use a body fat%. While I can’t state this as fact I would pretty much bet that female athletes (volleyball, tennis, gymnastics, soccer, etc), professional dancers, fitness models, strippers, porn stars, pinup models, music stars (think Beyounce) and even movie starlets (I’ll take a small side bet on Angelina Jolie) will have BMI that are outside of the acceptable range of the “ideal.”
Snake Eyez
Tara,
uh, I assume this is you.
mmm…55?
hmm.
50 effin’ 5?
are you super duper sure?
“Lost points for having an above average IQ, and swearing too much.”
OOOoh.
If you’re a 55 then…ahm. Never mind.
Well I’m not going to waste my time checking, but…
Yeah, see, proof it doesn’t work.
That’s an inequitable act, by the way… to stay anonymous but research me and post my details. I guess it’s your prerogative. Makes me curious, though.
Don’t get me wrong, nena. That would be a second mistake.
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Love it.
Roissy,
Your BMI chart is skewed toward danger.
Anorexia nervosa is characterized by a body-mass index of 17.5 or lower. Adapted from the National Eating Disorders Screening Program Body Weight Assessment Tool, http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/340/14/1092/F1
You wrote that you calculated backward from weight/height stats on women in porn. Those numbers are fabricated. You’ve been deceived by “pretty lies.”
listen expat. i am only a 30 on roissys quaint value scale so insults and assholish behavior does nothing but make me withdrawl out of insecurity. so i’m not going to engage with you anymore. sorry.
oops
again, a small dicked guy wrote this. sorry fella, but the male equivilent doesnt even deal with dick size and anyhone whos into the dick (str8 girl or gay guy) will tell you it plays a substantial rople, certainly when talking about sex.
girls want a big dick, just like guys wish they had a bigger dick.
dont discredit it and dont celebrate the liar girl who acts content with a small, even average dick – sorry little fellas out there, having a small dick IS negative and something that can be a deal breaker.
guys with little dicks can be happy, but their partners probably wont be (unless mr. little dick is their first and last and they dont know what tehjyre missing)
There are countless sayings “once ya go blacfdk, you never go back”: “once you try spic you want no other dick”, etc etc… the poiunt being its all about a big dick. Ive had previous fuck-b uddies/BFs and GFs call me up just to have a go on my member … they love my big dick and i think that gets you +5 in my opinion.
Are you honestly saying that guys would not be more attracted to a girl if she were turned off by their small penis? I just think guy are not that different than girls in that they like a little chase. Or a lot. Hence the guys that follow us around for years though we show no interest at any point. though that is pretty beta, maybe you are saying just from an alpha point of view? They do not want the easiest girl who is the “first to help out if you got hurt,” in my opinion. But then again maybe this is wishful thinking because I am pretty useless when it comes to guys I’m not attracted to and caring about their feelings. I will ignore you if I’m not interested.
The BMI question–terrible. Since a BMI below 18.5 is considered unhealthy…I hope you really don’t like bulimic chicks?
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“The personality traits this test calls for often absurdly contradictory. You want a woman who loves anal sex but doesn’t use profanity? Good luck!”
Fucking hilarious! And I agree. Can anyone say Madonna/Whore complex?
I think this quiz isn’t too far off the mark if you are looking at attraction sans cultural context (although it’s funny, the boob question- TOTALLY cultural!). Evolutionary speaking, a lot of this stuff is pretty true, but to any biologist it would come as no surprise.
What I think you fail to appreciate, Roissy, is that women aren’t as fragile as you think we are. You seem to be fooling yourself into believing that the male paradigm is the only one. Come over here, to my paradigm. I will show you what our tools/game are/is and how we get what we want. Your only flaw, as far as I can see at this point, is that you have bought into this notion that typically male characteristics make men more competent than women (“The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment.”) when, in fact, they only make you a slave to your genetic drive to procreate (you may not want children, but the only reason the desire to fuck exists is to make us reproduce, after all).
I haven’t been on this sight long, so I know I do not have a complete picture of your (Roissy’s) point of view. I am intrigued, however.
It is all a game, between men and women, that has evolved for thousands of years, with the end result being the replication of a little genetic matter. My interests lie in giving the finger to all that genetically driven nonsense in order to take over this body to really do what “I” want. All of the above stuff, while true, is boring and predictable.
this is the most fucking bullshit and ridiculous shit i have ever fucking wasted my time laughing at.
Yeah, I’m a big fan and a fairly regular commenter, but this test is just silly. The objectivity of female beauty only goes so far. There’s always a giant standard deviation, I don’t think we can really quantify market value for either gender. I guess this is a decent rough estimation. Just as an experiment I scored exes and plenty of the ones I was more attracted to personally scored as little as half of some of the ones I was less attracted to. The most obvious flaw in this test is the lack of significance given to TNA, really it is the largest factor for most men but it accounts for very few points here.
“1. How old are you?
15 to 16 years old: +5 points”
wtf??? How about -infinity points.
Roissy’s science need brushing up. Didn’t he get memo? BMI is invalid because of racial difference and not applicable as universal standard. Leave it to knuckle-dragging Fascista to be speaker of truth.
Sexism is pretty cool right guys?
I think you are missing a few categories.
Sexism is pretty cool right guys?
so is truth. especially when it grates on shits like you.
Idk man
All you’re really doing is rehashing a bunch of tried and tired stereotypes for men and women, and acting like its something pretty insightful. Good lord, the truth? The truth of what? That people are generally pretty shallow? That society kind of enforces this crap due to the media? Whoop dee fucking doo.
This stuff is really, really silly, and pretty much makes you look dumb. There’s no real science to this and I don’t think its possible to make a judgment on this. Too many factors, and this is just a reflection of your opinion as opposed to a representation of the general populace. Not really sure what you’re even trying to prove here.
Who wants to hear about betas getting blurred, used and LJBF’d?
I want to hear success stories.
There are basically three types of men: the alphas that make some betas feel wimpy and insecure, the betas who want to be alphas and the betas who get all the girls and are not douches and don’t give a fuck if they are “domineering” or “passive”.
Guess where most of the guys here fit in.
You guys who score insecure chicks (this is basically a checklist for insecure chicks) think you’re all alpha and shit. You’re not. You wouldn’t be able to have a real relationship with a woman if it bit you in the ass.
Oh, you don’t want relationships, you want anorexic perky breasted young girls. I get it.
Well, if you like them and if they fall like mad all over your feet, why waste your time bashing the “beta male”? He’s certainly dating women you wouldn’t date, right? Right?
Lucy, the beta male is dating fatties like you! Right!
32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:
3 to 10: 0 points
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
I’m a contortionist: +1 point
what? no option for 0? or are virgins supposed to be undateable lol.
Yes, virgins are undatable
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I disagree with the anal sex question. I for one find it repulsive whether homo or hetero, and for me (I’m sure other guys too) if a girl is against anal, thats a plus.
This is almost–but not quite–as stupid as you are. You must be one of those pimply-faced gamers who nevers spends much time in the real world. Women are laughing at YOU at your pathetic attempt at a blog/website, AND behind your back–but, you are probably used to this, as well as all the rejection from women you’ve experienced your entire unimportant life. Income and world views not listed? That’s because every woman would exceed yours, and thus making your already small penis feel and seem even smaller. What a joke. In a stupid insignificant kind of way.
Woo-hoo, Lucy!!!! Good response!!!!!!!! And of course, “fatty”, is the natural response to any beautiful, empowered woman from a small-penised man!!!!!
Guys, look…I’m really sorry you were born with small anatomy, but it’s really not going to help your case to be bitter with women about it. We don’t want you. Or your small penises. I’m really sorry about that. But at least you still have your hand…I’m guessing…?
Typically stupid responses from women who know nothing at all about men.
There are MANY types of Alphas, including those of the male oriented variety.
Male oriented Alpha males construct patronage organizations, and are often not of any interest at all to women. Examples would be the late Bill Walsh, coach of the 49ers, Tony Dungy, late of the Colts, and Eisenhower. All mentored younger guys throughout their career, and got huge amounts of loyalty in return. Lincoln was out of that mode, and women did not really find him attractive.
Female oriented Alphas can be “naturals” … i.e. early maturing physically, high status (Dad is important and with money) or naturally aggressive (fights with and intimidates other boys). Think Patriots QB Tom Brady or Fonzie on Happy Days. They can also be positional, i.e. ugly guys who become famous rock stars: Keith Richards, Steve Tyler, Ric Ocasec, Lyle Lovett, Kenny Chesney. Then there are self-taught guys who learn to pick up women, either by working out their own methods, or through “gurus” like Mystery.
Since women are hard-wired to want guys who are more powerful, socially dominant, and so on than they are … AND have reached parity, this leaves ALL guys who are not female-oriented Alphas out in the cold. The “best” they get is some gal rode hard, put away wet, who after 20-50 partners and rapidly diminishing attractiveness plus fertility in her mid thirties, wants a pliable and boss-able husband who will be a companion even if he does not excite her sexually/romantically. Probably the principal reason for high divorce rates.
Men only bond if they are really, the only significant and important lover for a woman. This is why the combination of human sexuality and restrictions on it most of the time worked to create lasting pair bonds for raising kids and companionate marriage after. Through intense sex with each other creating bonding chemical hormones. Well understood by science. The effect drops to near zero when too many partners are involved for the woman (and man).
Humans are unique in that they can reproduce to two basic patterns based on resources. When women don’t need a constant male support, the desire for women to pursue and have kids with the powerful dominant male (polygamy, which women love) is sustainable and successful. West Africa, modern Britain in the Welfare State, Black and Hispanics in the US Ghetto Welfare state, and increasingly independent earning White US women follow this pattern [20% illegitimate rate among White Middle class women, up from 4% in 1965.] The other way, requiring constant male presence is through monogamy.
If a woman wants a lifelong partner, her best bet is to rationally consider her time-limited (her looks fade fast) options. The supply of Tom Bradys is pretty limited, and they can and will dump a Bridget Moynihan for a Gisele Bundchen, younger and prettier. The same is true of Steve Tylers, or your local UFC fighter. The older a woman gets, the fewer men will commit to her and the lesser quality of men she’ll get. This is true of men as well, but their time window is longer, as long as they have power or wealth on their side.
Lucy, men are not attracted to fat women. Reality check. Deal with it or not. Most men would prefer pr0n to fatties.
Second, given that men can be “waived” from the team so to speak, why SHOULD THEY commit to a woman?
What is so special about them, that they should not simply have as much sex as possible with as many women as possible, given women’s ability to dump THEM for a better “player at the position” so to speak?
If women want loyalty from men, above all else, it’s easily created. Simply refuse to sleep with sexy, powerful, dangerous bad boys, and only have sex with faithful “nice” guys. But nearly all women have to do this, otherwise the incentives fall apart. The probability of that is near zero, suggesting the big lie –
Women don’t CARE about faithfulness. They merely want dominance and excitement. Nearly all women would take an illegitimate kid with Tom Brady and being dumped for a lifetime of love and devotion from say, Donal Logue (to chose a fat, but charismatic actor).
I’m 20 years old and i got a 26 score, so i’m a Greater Beta apparently. All my negatives were about my face, i think i’m butterz lol. And the result kind of fits actually, i do get a few really cute guys that hit on me, my ex was a hot popular ‘alpha’. But i think my personality is a bit boring
I think this is just a fun test though really, nothing you should take to heart too much because you probably already know this about yourself. And if you answer honestly, the result does come off quite accurate i think.
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I think I’d know if I get hard for my wife (if I had one) without having to read your test
But it’s good for the ladies.
I’ve got news for y’all.
(I believe it was said here) that the average number of lovers for a North American woman was 3 (and y’all double that considering the lying factor)…. well, I think it’s MUCH more than three.
I hang with a group of ultra conservative religious types (half are nuns and priests, of different orders) and THEIR average is a three-four.
So….. your regular American woman who’s been brainwashed and groomed since 10 to prepare herself for bedding men in clubs? Believe me, its closer to 13 lovers by the time shes 26. At least.
Only a woman really desperate for date would spend such a huge amount of time writing such a test.
How bad is it, Roissy?
Or are you a dude? With too much time on his hands?
Either way, I don’t imagine you scored too highly on your own test, and you lose a further ten points for writing such a load of garbage. Where does that put you? Minus 80?
I think age should be 8 to 14 years old: +20 points
And if you’re a fat,fugly b**ch,you’ve hit the wall,regardless of age!!!!
Damn. Nobody likes you. I am a 60.
yay me.
Roissy, do people normally tell you that you’re an ass?
well they should…more often.
To the females out there. Most men out there think the same way this guy does, and though these standards seem harsh, it really doesn’t matter. 90% of guys would fuck an 84 if they were desperate enough, drunk enough, or don’t care about material things. So don’t trip, cuz when it comes down to it, guys will fuck the holes in their pillow.
Or the ladies can ignore this shit and go date a black guy. They care less about weight and they can give you a good fuckin while they’re at it
That’s right,Whiskey,especially handsome black lads such as Yours Truly,
despite the bombardment from the fat broad lovers who say that we’re “sell-outs,”"Uncle Toms,” etc.,for not wanting a 5-5,250+,mouthy,b***hy
slob as a partner.
You are pathetic. Seriously. Why do we lose points for being smarter than you? Your an asshole and your views are skewed. Just because your a shallow, superficial asshole doesn’t mean every woman isn’t beautiful in her own way. Also, YOUR aloud to be superficial but we aren’t? I hope you burn in hell you mother fucker.
Hey Fuck…You
Yea there is a reason you scored in the negatives.
Well, I did this quiz with the aim of clocking a perfect -83 (or -93 after adjustmen). but “hit the wall.”
On the other hand the range of scores for -83(-93) to 64(54) is very untidy. With a few more questions the quiz can be brought up to a full -100 through to 100 range, and there are plenty of other questions to ask, eg.
35. Describe your hair.
a) Hip length, glossy and rippling, either platinum blonde or black as a raven’s wing (+1)
b) I have good hair and bad hair days like most people (0)
c) Mousy and cropped close to the contours of my pear-shaped skull like a Nazi guard in an old movie (-1)
36. Descibe your teeth.
a) Even, white and so perfect that they are often mistaken for false ones (+1)
b) Useful for eating solid food (0)
c) I’ve lost several in fights (-1)
37. Describe the way you move.
a) Straight-backed and supple like a Balinese temple dancer (+1)
b) Uh, normal human articulation, I guess (0)
c) Occasionally I heave myself from the TV remote to the fridge or the Car port, thighs chafing (-1)
38. What does your voice sound like?
a) Husky, low and classy like Emma Peel or Jessica Rabbit (+1)
b) Dude, it’s just a voice
c) An incessant nasal whine like the wife in Rear Window up until the point where she gets murdered by her husband (-1)
39. Which of the three Greek fates do you most resemble?
a) Clotho
b) Lachesis
c) Atropos
Answer: subtract 1 if you understood the question
I’m sure other readers can suggest more of the same … scope for a possible future post methinks?
Being a buxom blonde is a PERFECT 100%!!!!
I’d hate to have a guy like you try to “emotionally connect” with me, so thank God I’m too smart and too old – and by too old, I mean out of high school.
(Protip: Treating women as props for your ego makes it harder to emotionally connect with them.)
You are a sad, sad man.
Katherine and Zula,you’re probably b***hy chubbos who don’t get a second(perhaps not a FIRST!!!!)glance from any but the most desperate
loser dudes,so don’t front on me!!!!
Catherin Omega Jones, you clearly have a talent for comic writing. I appreciated the post.
29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point
“hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!”
“hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!”
Sorry, but why stifle a laugh at a small penis? Better to point and laugh out loud, for a long time ….until he gets the point and gets dressed.
If your dick is small, don’t waste anyone’s time, OR worse, reproduce. Give it up. You’ve hit the wall. Only 1 question wrong and you get a -100! Face it, these days women prefer to have good lesbian sex instead.
Jesus…why don’t you just tell your readers they need to invest in a blow-up doll so they won’t be traumatized by the terrifying needs of actual human beings.
Honestly, dick size DOES matter….but laughing at a man’s penis? Then you deserve to be laughed at for your many imperfections as well. If dick size is THAT important to you, then you should just ask him in an honest way….not torture him later on for something he cannot help.
Don’t make women look bad like that.
AHAHAHAHA! So this is where the grotty little losers have been getting all this laughably stupid crap.
Funny, most of the guys I know prefer women ages 28-35 because they a) have their own careers and aren’t a wallet drain and b) have enough sexual experience to be “fun”. This coming from guys aged about the same, not pimply teenagers playing WoW in their basements.
Funny how many of the female replies likely would have been way different if this had been a feature article in Cosmo or Glamour… Context is everything. And only women are permitted to objectify women, whether qualitatively or quantitatively
Perhaps you should have prefaced the whole thing with the Scientist’s Bill of Rights, to protect yourself somewhat:
If it exists, it exists to some degree, and that ought to be measured.
Also, a reference or two to the research on this topic, such as http://personalmd.com/news/a1998081415.shtml, might have helped.
Nah!!
* MB (former proprietor of the online Bod-O-Meter)
How many points should I take off for glasses?
Adam Carolla : “When I hear long-winded stories that have no end, and no middle, and one long beginning, going in circles at a snail’s pace, I know that’s a hot chick.”
Dr. Drew: “Pray tell why.”
Adam: “Because fat chicks are told to shut up 3-syllables into their boring story. Hot chicks are never told, ‘Hey! What’s the punch line bitch?! I gotta catch a bus!”
Followed the link from Andrew Sullivan’s site. This has to be one of the sorriest loser sites I have seen. I’d guess Roissy’s mental age to be about 17. A teenage boy’s fantasy!
women are things for me
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How many points should I take off for glasses?
stop being a dork and put contact lenses
What a load of crap and a perpetuation of every ridiculous and demeaning stereotype out there.
I am guessing you spend a lot of time writing this drivel vs. actually having dates and spending time out in public.
Does your mother pay for your ISP connection and do your laundry, too?
your an asshole
I think nostril, foot and clit size, as well as labia appearance (marilyn lips v. roastbeef sandwich) play an important role here.
Please do address in the 2.0 version of the test.
p.s. To all the offended folks on this thread: Objectification is the key to male sexuality — and judging by some of the comments regarding dick size, to female sexuality as well!
There is one Gaping Flaw in your reasoning, darling; this is that women with IQs over 145 are so utterly bored by males with your set of priorities that we are, de facto, Out Of Your League. We spend much more time fending off clueless pretenders than we do bemoaning our imperfect figures, and when we finally do Settle Down, it is with the pick of the lot.
(FYI, ‘the pick of the lot’ includes top 10% in looks, brains, high-earning capacity, creativity, fidelity, humor, and charm. Most of which are saliently lacking in the author of this site.)
Pretty Lady, you’re a tranny.
This test is laughable. Or maybe it just thinks men are laughable. Or both. I vote for both.
Dear Closet-Gay-Impotent Man-Cunt,
First, sorry to call you by your real name. Second, I’d like to say for the record that some of us guys have dicks longer than 1/8 of an inch long and don’t live with our moms. Unlike you (fag) We prefer virtuous, intelligent women to cum-dumpster crack-hos. Any woman who would actually let you stick your syphilitic little match-dick in her is probably just using you to get over Tyrone the crack dealer – I’m assuming that’s the case with both the women you actually slept with (yes, I’m counting your sister).
Please refrain from stereotyping all men. It’s bad enough having to deal with women with “men” in their past such as yourself calling them all the time, crying like little bitches – but it’s especially embarrassing that pig-fucking losers like you – calling yourselves ‘alpha-males’ (that’s a fucking laugh!) – give Real Men a bad name.
Go fuck yourself up the ass, queer – and keep up the good work on this blog. It’s refreshing to hear a douche-bag, excrement-fume-huffing, felch-belcher’s take on modern dating. And to all the women judging men by what’s written on this blog, fuck you equally hard.
P.S: How many times a day do you masturbate while watching Mad Men? My guess is six.
what’s the matter nathan, got your period?
[...] with your feminist owners. A basic version of Roissy’s worldview can be gleaned from a quiz he has devised. “If you are a woman, this test will measure your dating market value,” he writes. [...]
Maria who posted 4 or 5 comments above is the stereotypical ugly-SWPL-feminist and old
her blog is another living stereotype of the unproductiveness of the “creative class”
This test was an excellent trolling device and it was successful in baiting all the bitter old hard ridden minghags out into the sunlight.
I’m -still- laughing. Master Pua has it right: this sure trolled everyone good. Even more hysterical than the original post are the many, many comments indicating how seriously people took it.
To all the offended women out there: Any guy who would take this Value Test completely to heart isn’t the kind of guy you’re looking for anyway, right? If they’re going out of their way to avoid you, it saves you the irritation of having to talk to them in the first place. So, have yourself a good laugh and move on.
This cracks me up. I can see why you’d take off points for girls who are smart and competitive, because only a someone with the IQ of a brick and no drive in life would have anything to do with a guy who takes this sort of scale/quiz into account.
I think some of the 15 year old boys on here might want cut down on the porn fantasies, and delusions of grandeur, and venture outside of your parent’s basement once a month or so and join the human race.
Until then, enjoy your right hand and Dad’s stack of crusty playboys.
Your site is… enlightening. It flirts with enraging my more deeply entrenched sensibilities, but over years of celibacy and raging at people over the Internet I’ve developed a deep cynicism that allows me to read even such works as “Hitting Women Will Turn Them On” with clinical detachment.
Solid Beta speaking. I agree with pretty much every statement on physical attractiveness (not so sure about BMI, I’m skilled at guessing guy’s weights on sight due to experience wrestling but girls fuck up the parameters). Though I’ll admit my age group seems to be uncouth barbarians so I don’t care much if a girl cusses like I do.
It’s funny watching the feminazis, PC-fags, and people who can’t stand having their worldview shaken by a mild dose of reality. And to the anonymous limey bitching about arse/ass- common usage trumps all, especially across an ocean.
Come on, everyone knows that it’s not about looks, but personality. The way you view things in your young fratboy scope is hilarious at best. You know what’s awesome? Going to some LARP session where there are nothing but chicks. High IQs, nice personalities, and hell, it’s fun.
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What is this? The retarded anorexic white girl quiz? Good grief.
Boy,did they release all the asylum inmates last weekend?
nascent alpha female, i think (hope!?)
This thread is another perfectly preserved exhibit of feminist shaming language in action. Almost every disagreeing female post is hyperventilating, self-deluded ad hominem vitriol and marshalls precisely zero evidence in support of of the (virtually non-existent) counter argument.
Perhaps I should simplify if for the fatties and you can cut’n'paste this:
“Roissy
You have a small dick. I hate you I hate you I hate you. This sexist drivel is the absolute most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard you virgin homo loser. My life is great. I’ve got radiant inner beauty. All my friends say so. I’m totally out of your league. In fact, you’re such a loser I’m not even gonna talk to you. Limp dick.”
As far as comparing of the two pictures of the women, the one on the RIGHT, looks very similar to the look of “Jenna Fischer” the actress that place the receptionist in the “The Office”
And she’s pretty hot.
I float between nascent alpha and bonafide hottie depending on my fluctuations in weight.
I do have to say, however, that I think Roissy may be unaware of a woman’s real weight. Women lie so much that men get confused. I will say that my SO likes me best when my BMI is between 21.5 -22.5. I get more quality attention between the 21-23 range also. I am most comfortable at 21 so I am heading back there whether my SO likes it or not.
I think some guys may be confused and would hurl in disgust if they saw a real life BMI 17. Not their fault though, people lie.
I seem to comply with your idea of beauty, but thankfully not your idea of an attractive personality (a.k.a. none).
As bittersweet as this is, it gives me a great number of chances to tell guys like you exactly where to stick their sexism.
As you seem to believe success and achievement in a woman’s life, as well as an high IQ to be counterproductive for relationships, I’m assuming you’ll end up with exactly the type of person you deserve.
Lesson of the day: Do not do research on google, you may loose your faith in the human specie in the process.
got 20 pts
guess I need some work
anyone know of a good site that can teach me how to be more submissive?
For anyone who doubts this, I must say, the first time I read this (last year) I was a 29 BMI, yet didn’t think I was “that fat”. Everything not related to the body, however, according to the criteria, I was either neutral or positive. Needless to say I didn’t get a very high score.
I just got into my 20s and I’ve lost an extraordinary amount of weight. my BMI is down 7 pts and I now get hit on several times a day by every type of guy imaginable. I also now have a freaking DREAM boyfriend who gets a boner just by the sight of me. I’ve reached the lower alpha range on this and I can’t deny that I’ve never been happier.
From my experience, I’d have to agree that Roissy speaks for the average male on what he desires in a woman: sweet, slender, pretty, sexual yet loyal, classically feminine. Sorry womyn.
This is complete nonsense. Please tell me how on earth a 15-16 can get 5 points??? That’s illegal to be having sex with minors. Just dirty.
Oh and with regard to point 23, that look is disturbing. Its a standard of beauty that makes people look alien, not attractive. Tell me one ‘hot’ person that has such a look?
Jennifer Anniston, Naomi Campbell, etc,etc none of them have such features. That look is just gross.
Brian:
For your info 16 is not illegal for adults in a few states, Maryland being one of them, not to mention in Germany, for example, it is legal for 17 year olds to be prostitutes.
Peak female reproductive years are in the range of around 16 to 27. That’s when ladies have their maximum fertility and often their maximum of looks.
I can’t believe you are this ill-educated. Biology trumps sociology all the time.
Surprised there is no question on here about what (if any) STDs you have. Were I not an atheist, I would thank god everyday that I have herpes. It works like a charm to scare of assholes like you.
Nice to see that an underage girl is “worth more” than a woman in her late 20’s to you. Not only are you a sexist asshole, but you’re ALSO a hebephile.
My age wasn’t in the ranges, so I gave myself a 15 for being loli.
Good times.
I got an 11, and lost points for being flat-chested, having a flat butt, and being smart. I earned most of my points by being 15 and having the “right” BMI. I skipped nearly all of the last questions, seeing as I’m a 15-year-old virgin (gasp!), and I got zeroes on everything else. Most of the questions made me laughm seeing as they were just plain ridiculous. Saucer-like, wide-spaced eyes? I wouldn’t think that would be considered attractive, but each to themselves, I guess. Anyway, I don’t understand why anyone would be offened/flattered by their score on this quiz. Nobody knows who made the quiz, and nobody knows what you look like. I’m sure the girls who scored higher gave themselves more credit than they deserve, and the girls who scored lower were overly critical. I took the test because I google-searched “bmi 21.0″, my bmi, and this picture came up. Thought it would be interesting to see where I ended up. I don’t think I’d be interested in the creator of the quiz, though, since nearly all the questions were about sexual atractiveness. I really hope men are able to see more to a woman than how sexy she happens to be, because I could care less if a man is drop-dead gorgeous, if he’s a jerk I’d take an intelligent, caring ugly guy over him any day!
Interesting discussion, but originally a devastating quiz. I have many issues with the creator of this quiz’s assumptions, not least of which is that women cannot be objective about themselves, and therefore will have “ten points” subtracted from their score, since we all will undoubtedly pretend to ourselves that we are much prettier than we believe.
I believe the contrary is true, I believe that we are made to be overly self-aware of our bodies, hence the prevalence of anorexia, bulimia, other eating disorders, depression, anxiety, and cosmetic plastic surgery, which are all at record highs. Girls are taught at an early age to reach for a nearly impossible physical ideal. And compared to the unreachable, almost always UNREAL beauty offered on the magazine covers, almost all of us will choose to believe we are less physically appealing than we really are.
However, men are also adversely affected by the media. They are also told every day that such a body and/or attitude is desirable, and because we are all of a pack mentality, such force-fed opinions are readily swallowed.
What I hope Roissy and all of the followers of this particular thread understand, is that not only are we all puppets of the media and marketing blitzes, but that this has kinda been true for the last several hundred years.
If you take a close look at the concept of feminine beauty throughout the ages AND the globe, you’ll find that yesterday’s hottie is radically different from today’s, as well as the hotties of other continents throughout the ages. Which also makes me wonder why Roissy chose to use height-weight indices from 1959 United States, the height of the wasp-waisted housewife era, exactly 50 years ago.
I won’t get specific about historical ideals of beauty, but I’ll catalog some of them here:
Once upon a time, it was considered the height of fashion to be as pale and plump as possible, as this was a showcase of how wealthy you were, to be able to eat as much and stay indolent indoors.
Once upon a time, “The Golden Lotus” was considered the height of beauty. The Golden Lotus is a female foot broken, bound, rebroken, rebound, and so on, to keep it three inches or less in length. This took many years to achieve, and once the process was begun, ensured that the woman would never walk again, if she ever had.
So before any of us either write or respond to a dissertation on the nature of beauty, perhaps we ought to think humanely, if not in terms of how we’ll be seen by future generations.
Oh, yeah, and before any of the male readers get upset, remember “beauty” and “suitability” aren’t limited to the female body. If you were born in a hospital in the United States in the last 50 years, you were very likely genitally mutilated without your consent. Yep, ye olde foreskin. Think hard on how popular culture has affected you personally before you get ugly with the ladies.
Let me guess: too long, did not read.